“Stop the boats – except for the one I was on…”

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Just when you thought the Coalition’s election campaign could not get any sillier along comes John Nguyen, second-time Liberal candidate for the Victorian Federal seat of Chisholm, currently held by the Speaker, Anna Burke.

John Nguyen looks impressive at first glance – young, good-looking and with obvious appeal to Asian voters. Until you read his mail-out to voters, a direct contrast to his pamphlet.

We wonder what message that sends to former refugees and asylum seekers living in the electorate.

Oh dear, hypocrisy much? Talk about rejecting the past…

65 thoughts on ““Stop the boats – except for the one I was on…”

  1. This is so typical of the hypocrisy of some who have come from awful circumstances & prospered in this country. John Nguyen most likely hasn’t noticed this himself although I am amazed at how anti-refugee some who arrived here as asylum-seeking refugees have become. A bit of a dog-in-the-manger attirude..

    • Many of the Vietnamese who fled Communism have been somehow convinced (usually by Liberal Party apparatchniks) that parties of the left are somehow “Communist”. This propaganda occurs via their local organisations and networks and their churches.

      Some Vietnamese are ethnically Chinese so maybe having a PM who speaks fluent Mandarin might be a game-changer.

      • Yes, MMU, many of those fleeing Vietnam would have been business people or government employees who would have been treated badly by their new communist masters. So they would have found the Libs to be a natural fit for them, I guess despite all. Trouble is many have overlooked how poorly the Lib governments treated them initially.

        Hope you’re right about the Chinese/Vietnamese. Many Chinese have tended to lean towards Labor no matter how successful they’ve become.

        • Then it is time to give ASIC and state regulators more power to eliminate the crims who profit from exploiting their workers. A strong union movement would do a lot to protect the rights of employees.

          Employers who do the right thing are subsidising these crooks because every time a shonk gets away with anything taxpayers end up shouldering part of the burden.

  2. He’s just your typical rightwing conservative… it’s that whole free market “I got mine” attitude, nothing more.

  3. Our local Chinese take away shop are very pro-LNP – photos abound on the walls of them with various LNP party members. Funny thing is the cash register is covered with a tea towel and not a single sale is rung up on the till – and they only accept cash. I’d love to know how much ‘profit’ they make? I guess you need to come up cash somehow to fund raise for the LNP..

    • The LNP is very keen on everyone being “entrepreneurial”. Every single corporate cowboy, business tax evader and workplace shonk I have encountered has been a Coalition supporter.

  4. True Blip. Such people also like to maintain they achieved all they have in life themselves neglecting to remember all the assistance, from others, they received along the way. There is no such thing as the self-made person. That is a myth beloved by the conservatives.

  5. I think there are a couple of problematic and racist assumptions about this post and to be honest I would have thought anti-bogan would have a more sophisticated analysis.
    Nowhere does it state that he arrived by in Australia by boat. And just because he is Vietnamese he will appeal to “Asian” voters??? WTF??? C’mon folks lift your game!
    Why is he being held to a higher standard than any other Liberal politician? The stop boats” mantra is shameful full stop no matter who is spewing it.

    • Why should we have a more sophisticated analysis?

      We have found you do not need to reach a very high benchmark to be a Liberal politician anyway. After all there is Cory Bernardi and his hatred of Muslims for starters, and it was one of your own in WA, Dennis Jensen, who told an Indigenous woman that she should “get over” the Stolen Generations.

      Charming.

  6. How do you know these people are refugees? If they can afford to fly to Indonesia and pay $10,000 to the people smugglers then they’re coming from a position of wealth. When my grandparents came here after WWII they had nothing because they were kept as prisoners for years by the Nazis.
    Australia is not in a position to take in new immigrants. We lack the infrastructure that’s needed to support our current population. The cost of rent is through the roof because there isn’t enough housing for our increasing population. Bringing in more people will make things worse.
    There are elderly people unable to pay their power bills because the pittance they get on the pension isn’t enough to cover it. These people worked hard all of their lives to make Australia what it is today. Why should foreigners who’ve never contributed anything to this great nation receive tax payer’s money while those who’ve paid taxes for decades are left to wither and die in appalling conditions?
    Unemployment is far worse than what the government says. You only have to work a few hours a week to be classed as employed. A few hours of work each week isn’t enough to cover the cost of rent, car registration, insurance and food. Bringing more people into the country will lead to more young Australians living just above the poverty line or on the streets.
    Australia is an arid continent. Only 1% of our land contains fresh water. Our ecosystem is very fragile. Our native fauna has lost a large amount of its habitat to Humans and are battling for survival. A bigger Australia will mean more land clearing and further extinction of our native fauna.
    Our energy should go into looking after Australians in need and protecting our vulnerable flora and fauna.

    • Before and after WWII refugees would often travel with jewellery and money sewn into their clothing. They would have converted what assets they could into something they could exchange to tide them over until they had a job, to pay for essentials, to bribe corrupt officials.

      So the fact that some refugees and asylum seekers might happen to have money means nothing. When you are about to be murdered or tortured you take what you can to survive. You don’t worry what the white xenophobes in Australia think or feel.

      • “When you are about to be murdered or tortured you take what you can to survive. You don’t worry what the white xenophobes in Australia think or feel.”
        How do you know these people are about to be murdered?
        Where’s your evidence?
        These people destory their identification records before they come here. It’s impossible to know what situation they’re in when we don’t even know who they are or where they’re from.
        So how can you know their history when you don’t even know their names?
        Do you just take their word for everything?
        For all you know they could be terrorists, drug addicts, wife beaters, rapists.
        We actually know that many of them are violent rapists as they’re doing exactly that on Nauru and in western Sydney. Not the sort of people that should be accepted into the country.
        Bob Carr said that all of them are economic migrants. I’ll take his word over yours.
        If these people are so worried about being murdered in Sri Lanka or Afghanistan or Iran then why are the do-gooders cracking up about the PNG solution?
        A true refugee would be happy to live anywhere but the place they’re being persecuted. They’re not going to get uppity and throw a tantrum because the country they’re placed in isn’t wealth enough for their liking. I feel sorry for our friends in PNG. All the lying do-gooders in Australia are ridiculing them and saying that boatpeople are more important than Papua New Guineans.
        Our foreign aid should be limited to improving infrastructure in PNG and the nations in the South Pacific. Corrupt countries like Indonesia should be told to fend for themselves. No money should be given to a country that supports a cruel religion like Islam.
        You’re right about these “refugees” not caring about Australians. They cost us $60,000,000,000 each year. That’s money that could be spent on pensioners, healthcare, infrastructure, education, disability care, refuges for native fauna and the more jobs in the public sector. We don’t owe these foreign bludgers anything.

        • “How do you know these people are about to be murdered?
          Where’s your evidence?”

          Thankfully we don’t need to provide evidence. This is why all asylum seekers are assessed firstly but the Department of Immigration, then if unsuccesful by the Refugee Review Tribunal to determine if they actually are refugees, ie, they are fleeing thier country due to a profound risk of perseuction due to their sexuality, race, religion, ethnicity, political leanings or culture.

          I have met so many asylum seekers who have been rejected by departments who accepted that they do actually have a fear of persecution, but not one meeting the defitnion of a refugee, I get annoyed when somone implies asylum seekers are just being trusted to be real refugees.

          “These people destory their identification records before they come here. It’s impossible to know what situation they’re in when we don’t even know who they are or where they’re from.”

          Because apparently Australia lives completely cut off from the outside world, unable to even consider contacting outside its own borders.
          But seriously, this is how it’s done. An asylum seeker arrives without documentation claiming persecution in Afghanistan. Their story will be analysed over and over and over again, compared with records from Afghanistan, news reports coming from that area or nearby, compared to the experiences given by other asylum seekers; accent will be analysed, and then the story will be analysed over and over and over again for any gaps, any mistakes, anything that does not make sense.

          Again, I have met people who have fled Colombia due to a drug cartel putting a hit out on them. This person was not accepted as a refugee because he was fleeing due to being a son of an informant-this does not meet the definition of a refugee. Yet you are asking me to believe that despite many people with real fears of persecution being rejected due to not meeting the exact letter of the refugee definition, other refugees are just waved through on the benefit of the doubt? Have you even ever met an asylum seeker or are you basing this all on hearsay and inuendo?

          “Do you just take their word for everything?”

          No. That’s why we have the determination and assesment process. But I’m sure you take the words of racists at a trust factor, and haven’t ever bothered trying to meet an asylum seeker. Name your state-I can find you an agency that likes to build connections between different cultural groups.

          “For all you know they could be terrorists, drug addicts, wife beaters, rapists.”

          For all I know so could you! But here’s the difference between an asylum seeker and you in terms of risk.
          When an asylum seeker enters the country they are required to regularly report to a case worker while their case is being determined. During thier application they will need to finance the cost of an international police records check, including records of their home country, international police agency, and any security information. Currently there is a single mother of three who is apparently going to spend the rest of her life in a detention centre because she failed one of these tests (She doesn’t know why-she is’nt privy to the results).
          If they pass these tests, they are still not home free. If they commit any serious crime while an asylum seeker, or as a permanent resident, they will be deported. End of story.

          Now let’s compare to your situation, shall we? If you want to move around the coutnr,y or in most cases the world, you need no police check, no check from international security services, to travel. If you kill or rape someone, you will not at any point be deported from Australia, and eventually be released back into the community.

          So….which is more of the threat? The person who undergoes multiple security checks, and can and will be deported if they commit serious crimes, or the person who undergoes no security checks, and definitely won’t be deported if they commit serious crimes?

          “Not the sort of people that should be accepted into the country.”

          So, because of reports of rape among asylum seekers, we should ban all asylum seekers? Should we ban all men from Australia too-I think you’ll find a lot more rapes committed by Australian males than you would asylum seekers in Australia.

          Again, a rapist in Australia will not be deported, and will be able to continue living in the Australian community after serving jail time. An asylum seeker or refugee who commits rape will not be allowed to stay in Australia. Which is more the threat?

          “Bob Carr said that all of them are economic migrants. I’ll take his word over yours.”

          Why? Why would you suddenly trust Bob Carr? I imagine you’re not a Labor voter-and not about to start now.
          Bob Carr is trying to win the election by demonising asylum seekers. Is this really an unbiased source?
          Especially considering, as this article demonstrates, none of the asylum seekers he was referring to have had their claims assessed at all-so how would he know that they were not real refugees? Does Carr have psychic powers?
          Source: http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601

          As the article states, Carr is basing this judgement on some of the asylum seekers coming from the middle class of their country. Just as Jews fleeing Germany in the 1930’s were also the middle class.

          “If these people are so worried about being murdered in Sri Lanka or Afghanistan or Iran then why are the do-gooders cracking up about the PNG solution?”

          Ah, the insult do-gooders. As a proud do-gooder (Compared to you who presumably is an evil-do-er), let me tell you:
          PNG is poor. It is one of the poorest countries in the world, with a high homicide rate, high unemployment rate, and large scale disturbances regularly occurring due to this unemployment.
          Pushing our obbligation under the UN Refugee Convention onto a poorer country is like Clive Palmer going to your house and asking you to look after a sick relative for him, for the rest of their lives.

          But that would be fine, if we could be sure settlement would proceed well. But it can’t. How can a group settle in a country with hyperinflation, widespread unemployment, and poverty? Refugees in Australia often need help to get into the workforce, and we have a very low unemployment rate (Based on actual figures, not the secret figures only you are allowed to see)-how exactly is putting people into a situation hwere they will not find work, going to help them to settle in anyway?

          But I’m confused, Bruce. You said Australia can’t sustain having refugees-yet you now think PNG can? Please tell me, how a first world country, with a strong economy can somehow be unable to manage a refugee intake which is small by international standards, but PNG with its poverty and hyper inflation somehow can.

          “A true refugee would be happy to live anywhere but the place they’re being persecuted.”

          You say the word “true refugee” like you’ve actually met one. Let’s be honest-you haven’t.
          But to be clear-if someone is really fleeing persecution, they should be happy to live in a country where they will be unlikely to ever find work, ever to be able to afford to live, unable to settle, and risking the attacks of locals who similarly are unlikely to ever find work? Is that right? Would you be satisfied living in that situation: “Well I’m happy-I mean the people want to kill me, but the government doesn’t-so I’ll be happy here eating my dirt”?

          What you’re writing sounds suspiciously like “If you are desperate, you are not allowed to complain about anything”-how does that stand with our definition of free speech?

          “They’re not going to get uppity and throw a tantrum because the country they’re placed in isn’t wealth enough for their liking. ”

          Not wealthy enough for their liking? Bruce-PNG isn’t wealthy enough for its own people-how is it going to look after a refugee population?

          “I feel sorry for our friends in PNG.”

          As long as they don’t think about coming to Australia-right Bruce? They’re your friends, as long as they stay in their country and keep away (And in fact, if they could move PNG further away it would be handy too).

          ” All the lying do-gooders in Australia are ridiculing them and saying that boatpeople are more important than Papua New Guineans.”

          Who the hell is saying that? Come on-source please now.
          All I can think of you meaning, and it’s a guess because you are deluded and I am not, is that Australia is reacting more to the needs of asylum seekers who have come ot Australia asking for assistance than they have the people of PNG who are not asking for assistance.

          Don’t see why this is a problem. After all, if someone asks you for help, you help them, right Bruce? You don’t tell them to go away, because you’re too busy looking after someone who hasn’t asked for your help but may want it, right?

          “No money should be given to a country that supports a cruel religion like Islam.”

          Ah, and now we have the crux of the matter. Spooky Islam. Bruce-have you ever actually met a Muslim? In real life I mean, not on an internet site. Because, before you demonise a religion, you should really get to know the people who are a part of it. It’s easy to see Christianity as scary if all you’ve heard about is whipping, public crucifictions, and burning down of aboriton clinics.

          “You’re right about these “refugees” not caring about Australians. ”

          Really? Because all the refugees I have worked with care about Australia a great deal, and are eager to finish school as soon as possible so they can get a good job and support the country. They’re all looking forward to getting citizenship-one I’m trying to convince to stay in school until Year 12-but he wants to leave to become a police officer as soon as possible.

          But I’m sure you’ve got examples of refugees not caring about Australia. I look forward to your examples.

          “They cost us $60,000,000,000 each year. ”

          Source for that. Because I looked and couldn’t find anything that said asylum seekers cost Australia $60bn a year. Could find a source stating that Workplace injuries cost Australia $60bn a year-yet no government or political party is working their hardest to try and improve workplace safety, for some reason.

          “We don’t owe these foreign bludgers anything.”

          Ummm, Bruce, if refugees are all bludgers-how come so few of them are unemployed?
          Source: http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/settlement-outcomes-new-arrivals.pdf

          Particularly pages 27-Chart 25. Note how the most common employment group for refugees was “Full time employed” followed by “Full time study” followed by “Full time caring for family” followed by “Both studying and caring for family”
          -So much for bludgers, eh? But I’m sure you’ve got better evidence that shows, despite these stats showing refugees to be engaged with work, studying, or caring for family members, they actually are doing nothing but taking centrelink income, with no intention of ever doing anything. I await your data.

          Incidentally, there seems to be a running theme of “We shouldn’t help people if we don’t owe them anything”-do you carry that over to your daily life? If your neighbour’s house is on fire do you say “Well, I couldhelp him, but he didn’t help me when my house was on fire, which it has never been, so I don’t owe him anything” and let him burn?

        • Bruce, why is it that you have ignored every single argument and fact that JM has presented to you? You can’t even consider the facts because you are so blinded by your own prejudices, even when the facts have been presented to you in black and white!
          You are a cowardly racist Bruce. And what’s worse is that you haven’t got the guts to admit it outright. Instead, you do what every other racist bigot does and you try to jusify your views by preaching a superficial sentimentality for this country based on economics which is so transparent to everyone but yourself.

          Again, until you source your claims, your “$60,000,000,000 each year” and such will be passed off as lies and you, called out as the liar that you are!

    • Bruce, some of your argument has merits, such as the environmentally degrading effects that an increasing population has on our continent. However, one does not need to be poor to be persecuted, and when you try to escape a persecutory regime it generally is a good idea to take as much money with you as you can because there are lots of people to be bribed on the way, plus there always will be bills to pay.
      However, my pickings with this are the following: Everyone is jumping up and down about the evils of asylum-seekers, yet nobody seems to be complaining about the masses of Kiwis who head over here (and let’s face it, if you want an economic refugee then go find the nearest New Zealander) or all the UK and Irish who have come here to escape their shitholes for economic reasons. Hang on, I get it, these guys are predominantly white, and therefore couldn’t place as much pressure on our infrastructure and environment as what brown people do…

      • “However, one does not need to be poor to be persecuted, and when you try to escape a persecutory regime it generally is a good idea to take as much money with you as you can because there are lots of people to be bribed on the way, plus there always will be bills to pay.”

        Their evil oppressors allowed them to work and earn money and haven’t killed them. Does that sound like persecution and imminent danger to you?

        If their lives are in such imminent danger then why haven’t their oppressors killed them already?

        The Indigenous Australians were oppressed and denied basic rights. Still are in many regards. Our time and money should go towards them and our friends in PNG and the South Pacific. Rich economic migrants who want a better lifestyle can go home.

        “Everyone is jumping up and down about the evils of asylum-seekers, yet nobody seems to be complaining about the masses of Kiwis who head over here (and let’s face it, if you want an economic refugee then go find the nearest New Zealander) or all the UK and Irish who have come here to escape their shitholes for economic reasons. Hang on, I get it, these guys are predominantly white, and therefore couldn’t place as much pressure on our infrastructure and environment as what brown people do…”

        People from Anglo-Saxon countries are welcomed by the majority because their culture is compatible to ours. Muslims and Asians rarely assimilate and hold values that conflict with Australian values. I’ve seen entire suburbs taken over by Asians and Muslims who sit on the dole, refuse to learn English and commit crime. That’s not good for Australia.

        Why do you have so much hatred for the British?

        Australia wouldn’t be the great country it is today if it wasn’t for the Brits who built it up from scratch. New Zealanders have made many great contributions to this country.

        • We don’t hate the Brits at all. I live with a Pom.

          We hate the overwhelming sense of entitlement possessed by certain white people who think they own this country and that they are better than others simply because they are white.

        • “Their evil oppressors allowed them to work and earn money and haven’t killed them. Does that sound like persecution and imminent danger to you?”

          So if you have any money at all, you are no longer a refugee according to Bruce? All you Jewish people who fled Nazi Germany, using the money you had been earning for years to escape-no longer refugees. Vietnamese refugees fleeing the communsit government after the souther Vientamese govenrmnet fell, you aren’t a refugee either.
          Pray tell-who is a real refugee by your criteria, Bruce?

          Seriously though, here’s how it often plays out. Let’s go place by place shall we?
          Pakistan and Afghanistan-asylum seekers usually flee because there has been a Taleban incursion i ntheir area. The Taleban demand young people to be their soldiers, or human shields in war. The asylum seeker was able to work up until this point, and usually sells all belongings or borrows money from family to escape.

          Sri Lanka-Tamils have been able to make money for years, but after the defeat of the Tamil tigers, face reprisals against a resurgent Sri Lankan government.

          China – People can make money for years, but then find out that the govenrment has realised they belong to a religious group, or a pr odemocracy group-they also flee.

          I know, it’s shocking, but the persecution refugees are fleeing has not been in place since the creation of Earth. In most cases, asylum seeker arrivals are in response to a sudden change in their home country, leading to them fleeing. They were able to work for a long time before then, and able to save money.

          “If their lives are in such imminent danger then why haven’t their oppressors killed them already?”

          Again, I wonder how anyone would be accepted as a refugee to you? The defintion of a refugee accorindg to Bruce is now apparently “Must be poor, have never ever worked or had any money, and must be dead”
          I imagine if you were in England in the 1930’s you’d send Jews back to the Nazis saying “If you were in such threat, why haven’t the Nazis killed you already”?

          But I’ll answer your question. I’m nice like that.
          Firstly-in some countries people are individually targeted, but targeted as a group. Say in Burma, or the Congo-the army fires at a group of protestors, so the protestors all flee. The army isn’t on the hunt of an individual, so an individual can escape, but that person’s life is still at risk.
          Secondly-in other cases, the Taliban being the perfect example, they are threatened with kidnapping, and called on to be soldiers. In this case they have a chance to escape.
          Thirdly-if a group is coming to power who it is known wishes to enact venegeance on another group (Such as the case following the fall of South Vietnam, or the end of the Sri Lankan war, or the leader up to WWII), the persecuted group can and will try to escape before their life is put under threat.

          “The Indigenous Australians were oppressed and denied basic rights. ”

          Totally agree. What are you, as a One Nation supporter, going to do to help Aborigines? Or is it just a case of “Yelling at Muslims and hopes all other problems just solve themselves naturally as a result”

          “Rich economic migrants who want a better lifestyle can go home.”

          Again-what makes this situation different from Europe in the 1930’s. Would you tell Jews fleeing Germany “Rich Jewish migrants who want a better life can go back to Hitler”? If not-what’s different about now?

          “People from Anglo-Saxon countries are welcomed by the majority because their culture is compatible to ours. ”

          How exactly are all Anglo-sacon countries (I’m guessing you’re including European countries here) compatible with Australia in a way that other countries are not? Please be speicifc, but say something other than “We have similar skin colours-so we’re all friends!”

          “Muslims and Asians rarely assimilate and hold values that conflict with Australian values. ”

          What does assimilation even look like? What are Australian values that Msulims and Asians conflict with?
          Incidentally, how many Asians and Muslims have you actually talked to? More or less than 5?
          I think it’s amusing you think the Asian population of Australia, which can be seen in all careers in Australia is apparently not fitted in. All those Asian staff in hospitals-are they not trustworthy now? Those many Asian people married to Australian born caucasians-also not fitting in?

          “I’ve seen entire suburbs taken over by Asians and Muslims who sit on the dole, refuse to learn English and commit crime. ”

          So Asians are only sitting on the dole and refusing to learn English. Better tell my wife, who is Asian, that that’s what she’s meant to do. She’s sleeping right now having worked hard for the last 5 days doing a nursing job in a rural area where there are few nurses. Shame on her!

          Seriously, Bruce-are you blind? Have you not onoticed that any major hospital, business office, lawyer’s office, doctor’s clinic, shopping centre, etc tend to have at least one Asian staff member? And yet they are apparently refusing to work, according to you?

          And naturally you’ll have evidence of Asians and Muslims being more likely to commit crime than any other group in Australia-right? And you’ll be able to name the suburbs of Australia that have been “taken over” by Asians and Muslims, right?

          “Why do you have so much hatred for the British?”

          No one does. Why do you hate Asians and Muslims so much?

          British and Kiwi migrants were brought up as they continue to make up the largest souce of our migrants into Australia. You previously stated that we need to stop taking migrants because our flora and fauna, our resources, everything can sustain any migration-but now apparently we can have more migrants, if they’re white. Is that right? Somehow the stresses on the infrastructure and the environment, which will destroy the country if it involves a migration of brown skinned people, is totally okay when it involves white people. How does that work?

    • “How do you know these people are refugees? If they can afford to fly to Indonesia and pay $10,000 to the people smugglers then they’re coming from a position of wealth.”

      So, if you’re rich, there’s no reason to seek asylum? Funnily enough, the definition of refugee doesn’t mention “Being poor” as a reason to seek asylum, nor does it have “Having wealth” as an exclusionary factor. Quick question-the jews who fled Nazi Germany prior to the beginning of WWII-were they refugees, or would they need to be deported back to Germany?

      Incidentally, as MMU pointed out, $10,000 isn’t that much if you consider selling everything you owned. And if you were fleeing for your life, wouldn’t you be selling everything you own to get yourself and your family to safety?

      “Australia is not in a position to take in new immigrants. ”

      Excpet we need to. We end migration today, the health system, education system, and welfare system ends tomorrow.

      ” The cost of rent is through the roof because there isn’t enough housing for our increasing population. ”

      And also because our houses are badly managed, we are filled with around half a million empty houses, not being used by anyone. Using that would help as well.

      Incidentally, refugees actually don’t add too much to the cost of rent, because firstly, they have less access to funds, being less likely to drive up rent, and secondly, they are increasingly being settled in rural areas-spreading the population around to reduce the congestion at Capital city centres.

      “There are elderly people unable to pay their power bills because the pittance they get on the pension isn’t enough to cover it. ”

      Completely unrelated to refugees.

      “Why should foreigners who’ve never contributed anything to this great nation receive tax payer’s money while those who’ve paid taxes for decades are left to wither and die in appalling conditions?”

      People on the pension receive far more than refugees receive. Refugees do enter the work force and are eager to work. They are also encouraged to work, as all people on the newstart allowance are.

      “Unemployment is far worse than what the government says”

      And you know this…how? Come on, you apparently have access to top secret unemployment figures-show them. Or I’ll be left to believe your source is a magical elf who only talks to you.

      “Bringing more people into the country will lead to more young Australians living just above the poverty line or on the streets.”

      How? Come on-refugees have less avantages in getting jobs than refugees. Australians have work experience, can speak the native language fluently, tend to have an uninterrupted education, all things refugees don’t have. So how exactly will refugees arriving in Australia lead to more Australians living on the streets?

      And let’s ignore the fact that migrants, all migrants, bring industry, create jobs, making tax, which in turn results in better services in the community. What jobs have you created recently?

      “Our energy should go into looking after Australians in need and protecting our vulnerable flora and fauna.”

      How? How are you going to help Australians in need, and protect flaura and fauna? Or is it just “Ban the brown-skins and everything else will solve itself”?

      Again, if you stop immigration today, you would need to immediatly create an industry to fill a $15bn black hole you just created in the budget (From no international students payments), immediatly create some doctors and other health staff (From no skilled workers), along with other industries shutting down. Universities and TAFEs would shut down. Hospital waiting lists would spiral out of control, and some GPs would also shut down.

      So after destroying the health industry, and the education industry, what would you do as an encore?

      • “Quick question-the jews who fled Nazi Germany prior to the beginning of WWII-were they refugees, or would they need to be deported back to Germany?”

        Have the boatpeople who are coming here been told by their government to find some where else to live?

        The Jews were told by Hitler to get out of Germany or be killed. What’s happening in Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Iran and other Islamic countries is completely different.

        “And if you were fleeing for your life, wouldn’t you be selling everything you own to get yourself and your family to safety?”

        How do you know these people are fleeing for their lives?

        “Excpet we need to. We end migration today, the health system, education system, and welfare system ends tomorrow.”

        Bringing in poorly trained doctors from third world countries like India has led to the death of many Australians. Universities in third world countries are corrupt and don’t have stringent protocols to weed out the incompetent from those who can do the job. Haven’t you learned anything from the Jayant Patel case?

        Welfare system would be better off without immigrants. It costs $60,000,000,000 a year to look after the boatpeople.

        Australian universities are run as businesses these days. They make a lot of money from foreign students. The people they take in from foreign countries are on temporary Visas and rarely become permanent citizens.

        “And also because our houses are badly managed, we are filled with around half a million empty houses, not being used by anyone. Using that would help as well.”

        Do you have any evidence?

        “Incidentally, refugees actually don’t add too much to the cost of rent, because firstly, they have less access to funds, being less likely to drive up rent, and secondly, they are increasingly being settled in rural areas-spreading the population around to reduce the congestion at Capital city centres.”

        I do not believe that. A year or two ago there were boatpeople being housed in 4 star motels across Brisbane. Plenty more in Sydney, Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne. Housing that would otherwise be given to single mums, the disabled and young people who are doing it tough is being wasted on these bludgers from overseas.

        “Completely unrelated to refugees. ”

        It is when boatpeople cost the government $60,000,000,000 a year. That’s money that could be spent on our pensioners.

        “People on the pension receive far more than refugees receive. Refugees do enter the work force and are eager to work. They are also encouraged to work, as all people on the newstart allowance are.”

        Each boatperson costs the tax payer $70,000 per year. Pensioners get about $18,000 a year.

        Boatpeople who are being processed are not allowed to work. If they’re given citizenship then they’re allowed to work, but not while they’re being processed.

        “And you know this…how? Come on, you apparently have access to top secret unemployment figures-show them. Or I’ll be left to believe your source is a magical elf who only talks to you.”

        If you work just a few hours a week then you’re considered “underemployed”. The unemployment figures don’t include those who are living near the poverty zone because they’re only working a few hours a week.

        http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3574380.html

        “How? Come on-refugees have less avantages in getting jobs than refugees. Australians have work experience, can speak the native language fluently, tend to have an uninterrupted education, all things refugees don’t have. So how exactly will refugees arriving in Australia lead to more Australians living on the streets? ”

        It all does down to the almighty dollar. Employers hire refugees/immigrants because they’re willing to work for less. Australians are much more expensive to employ because they know their rights and have unions driving up the minimum wage.

        “And let’s ignore the fact that migrants, all migrants, bring industry, create jobs, making tax, which in turn results in better services in the community. What jobs have you created recently?”

        Young Aussies can’t get jobs that were freely available 30 years ago because it’s cheaper to hire an illegal immigrant. Boatpeople who are still being processed often get cash in the hand jobs at a lower a rate, displacing Australians from the workforce. Young people who are unemployed and have no hope of getting a job end up homeless and turn to crime.

        “How? How are you going to help Australians in need, and protect flaura and fauna?

        Again, if you stop immigration today, you would need to immediatly create an industry to fill a $15bn black hole you just created in the budget (From no international students payments), immediatly create some doctors and other health staff (From no skilled workers), along with other industries shutting down. Universities and TAFEs would shut down. Hospital waiting lists would spiral out of control, and some GPs would also shut down.”

        There will be no black hole. You can have foreign students studying in Australia on temporary Visas and then send them back home when they’re finished. Hospitals will be safer as there will be no Jayant Patels butchering people to death. Any shortage in doctors could be made up by bringing in qualified doctors from first world countries to work under temporary Visas. Some of the $60,000,000,000 that would be saved by not giving shelter to the boatpeople could be used to entice doctors from developed countries to come over here.

        I’m a wildlife carer. Did a course on the subject at TAFE a couple of years ago. I don’t know where you get the idea that our TAFE campuses will die if we halt immigration. Didn’t see many foreigners walking around the campus. Maybe 5 or 6 people in the solitary English class that was on offer.

        “So after destroying the health industry, and the education industry, what would you do as an encore?”

        It would only be destroyed in your head. In the real world everything will be fine.

        • 1. Jayant Patel was a US citizen trained as a surgeon in the US. Hospitals are not “safe” if they have no doctors and nurses. Medical staff recruited from overseas are subject to stringent qualification mapping and often have to sit exams when they arrive in Australia. If they are non-citizens they cannot practice privately.

          2. If you are a Tamil in Sri Lanka or a Hazara in Afghanistan you are likely to be killed. If you are a Bahai in Iran you are likely to be persecuted at the very least. If you run an anti-government blog in Iran you will probably be tortured or killed. Or both.

          3. We are more likely to trust JM’s info since he is a social work and psychology graduate who works extensively with refugees. His information is correct. Yours is not.

          Pensioners even in the large cities can live reasonably well on the aged pension if they either own their own homes or are in government housing where rents are controlled, which most pensioners are. Pensioners not in either of those categories receive rent assistance in addition to their aged pension. They get transport concessions, rate concessions, a range of aged care medical and welfare services including podiatry and paid carers, either a family member or someone who comes in if they require it. All free or at minimum cost.

          Superannuees can also access many of these benefits subject to income and assets tests.

          4. Overseas students do study here, pay full fees for school, TAFE and uni courses and then return home. JM was merely pointing out that these students are part of our total immigration intake, which seems to worry you excessively. Their presence means billions of dollars in the economy.

          5. We know about how unemployment statistics do not reflect the real situation but are based on OECD-derived benchmarks. However the structural and demographic problems in unemployment were there when few refugees and asylum seekers were arriving in Australia (before America started a couple of wars in the Middle East and Asia), so they have nothing to do with refugees and asylum seekers.

          5. If we want advice on wildlife caring we will ask you. For now, we are happy to listen to JM on immigration and refugee matters because he knows what he is talking about.

          You do not.

        • “The Jews were told by Hitler to get out of Germany or be killed. ”

          No they weren’t. In fact, I’m sure you can find no record of the Nazi party saying “If Jews stay we will kill them all”-it’s something they were quite determined to get rid of any evidence of.

          Instead, the Jews were persecuted, repressed, had hefty laws placed onto them until they left of their own accord.

          “What’s happening in Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Iran and other Islamic countries is completely different.”

          No it’s not.
          Afghanistan-Taliban is going into areas and telling Hazara people they are intending to take a young family member to use as a soldier. They also attack Hazara people and locations where Hazara frequent.

          Sri Lankans-The Sri Lankan government is currently torturing Tamils, to seek a retribution of the civil war.

          Iran – The Government is continuing to crack down on any democracy groups, arresting, torturing and killing people who may speak out against the government.

          What makes these people so unworthy to flee their country?

          “How do you know these people are fleeing for their lives?”

          Don’t answer a question with a question. I asked you If you were fleeing for your life, wouldn’t you be selling everything you own to get yourself and your family to safety?

          “Universities in third world countries are corrupt and don’t have stringent protocols to weed out the incompetent from those who can do the job. ”

          Thankfully we have strict tests down for all overseas qualifications to ensure medical competence.

          “Haven’t you learned anything from the Jayant Patel case?”

          So….one doctor is dodgy, therefore all non-white doctors are dodgy-is that right? Wasn’t there an English Doctor who killed a lot of people-are we going to ban all English doctors too? No of course not, because in Bruce’s world if you are not white you are to blame for anything anyone who isn’t white has done, but if you are white, you are only responsible for your own actions-right?
          Are you going to go into every hospital in the freakin’ country and demand that all non-white people quit immediatly? I’m serious-are you going to do this right now?

          And if you actually intend to do this-how are you going to fill all the replacement staff you’ll need in the hospitals if you stop all immigration today? It’s no point staying “We don’t need them-one of them is bad so they’re all bad”-we are using foreign doctors and nurses at this exact moment-who is going to replace their roles?

          “Welfare system would be better off without immigrants. It costs $60,000,000,000 a year to look after the boatpeople.”

          Yeah, you still don’t have a source for that.

          “They make a lot of money from foreign students. The people they take in from foreign countries are on temporary Visas and rarely become permanent citizens.”

          Except that’s not true. Have you actually ever met any international students? I’m married to one-and most of her friends are also international students, also living permanently in Australia. In fact, one of the top reasons for students to come to Australia, rather than sya America, is the possibility that they can gain permanent residency. You remove that possibility, you remove a large number of students and cut our Universities down-leading to the evntual closure of many of them, particularly the smaller ones.

          “Do you have any evidence?”

          Look at the Shitsville express episode on housing. Or, this article:
          http://theage.domain.com.au/real-estate-news/speculators-locking-up-empty-dwellings-that-could-be-homes-20110724-1hvf0.html

          And then enjoy the total hypocrisy of you asking me for references when you have repeatedly refused to demonstrate any yourself.

          “I do not believe that. ”

          What part? The less access to rent, or the being located in rural areas?

          “A year or two ago there were boatpeople being housed in 4 star motels across Brisbane. Plenty more in Sydney, Adelaide, Perth, Melbourne. ”

          Asylum seekers who were in community detention had hosuing organised for them. All others have to pay their own way for rent. If you want to end community detention, I totally agree with you, Bruce. Let’s let asylum seekers find their own accomodation in the community-as most already do!

          I’m an actual housing worker for refugees, and rest assured they don’t get public housing any faster than any other group. I actually just wrote up a public housing application for a refugee last week, and was told she would be put on the bottom of the list as she was single, not disabled. But if you know of a secret pathway where all refugees get a house free of charge, please let me know. My clients who are managing rent that takes up 50% of their Yotuh Allowance while they study would love to access public housing.

          “Housing that would otherwise be given to single mums, the disabled and young people who are doing it tough is being wasted on these bludgers from overseas.”

          The housing in question was a hotel room. Which they could not leave without reporting their location at each day. Can you imagine a lot of people wanting that situation.

          “It is when boatpeople cost the government $60,000,000,000 a year. That’s money that could be spent on our pensioners.”

          Again, no source. I’ve asked repeatedly now-you have not presented any evidence of this.

          “Each boatperson costs the tax payer $70,000 per year. Pensioners get about $18,000 a year.”

          A boatperson gets 85% of the lowest Centrelink payment. A pensioner gets more than the lowest centrelink payment. You are wrong.
          http://parliamentflagpost.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/do-refugees-really-receive-higher.html

          “Boatpeople who are being processed are not allowed to work. If they’re given citizenship then they’re allowed to work, but not while they’re being processed.”

          So we should let them get working rights, as they used to have until last year? After all, asylum seekers who arrive by plane usually all have the right to work, so why not people who arrive by boat?
          Glad we can agree on something.

          Also, refugees who previously didn’t have the right to work get it when they get permanent residency-not citizenship. There is a big difference.

          “he unemployment figures don’t include those who are living near the poverty zone because they’re only working a few hours a week.

          http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3574380.html

          You didn’t read this article, did you? You just saw the headlines, then didn’t bother to read it. If you did, you would have seen this sentence:
          ‘In any case, the one hour per week worker will be picked up in the underemployment figures which are also quoted regularly by the ABS. Underemployment refers to those part-time workers who would prefer to work more hours per week.’

          So…how about that secret source of Australia’s huge unemployment problem? Apparently, not that secret.

          “Employers hire refugees/immigrants because they’re willing to work for less. ”

          So employers are hiring refugees for lower than the minimum wage? You should really bring that up with the ACCC-if you had any evidence of it.
          But no, that would be productive. So instead you blame those damn migrants for forcing employers to pay them a below living wage, when all those helpless employers wanted to do was paying the minimum wage or above, right?

          “and have unions driving up the minimum wage.”

          Except the jobs that use the minimum wage don’t usually have a union. When was the last time you saw the McDonald’s union having a strike?

          “Young Aussies can’t get jobs that were freely available 30 years ago because it’s cheaper to hire an illegal immigrant. ”

          You’ve got evidende for that, naturally. Right?

          “Boatpeople who are still being processed often get cash in the hand jobs at a lower a rate, displacing Australians from the workforce. ”

          If you had any evidence of this, you should report it to the ACCC or the ATO-but no, you keep on blaming refugees for everything. It is easier than actually doing something, isn;t it?

          “You can have foreign students studying in Australia on temporary Visas and then send them back home when they’re finished. ”

          Except if there’s no possiblity or permanent residency, they won’t come. Australian student visas aren’t the cheapest, or even the best, America is cheaper and has a better reputation. But unlike America, Australia has a greater chance for permanent residency afterwards.

          “Hospitals will be safer as there will be no Jayant Patels butchering people to death.”

          Again-one doctor being terrible means all non-white doctors are terrible, right? You don’t see this as racist at all, do you?

          “Any shortage in doctors could be made up by bringing in qualified doctors from first world countries to work under temporary Visas. ”

          Because if there’s things the first world country has-it’s a lot of Doctors to go spare. Go to England, you see Doctors panhandling-there’s not work for them, apparently. Y’know, in Canada the Doctors are crying “If only Australia would let me work out in the country-it’s my only wish!”

          Let’s be clear, if lot’s of doctors from western countries wanted to work in Australia, they would be working in Australia. If Nurses in England wnated to work in Australia, they would be working in Australia, and not organising paid holidays for Australian nurses to work in England. Unless you’re seriously telling us that hospitals are also paying non-white doctors cash in hand to get cheaper doctors.

          “In the real world everything will be fine.”

          Yes, because somehow students would still come to Australia even though they couldn’t get to stay (The main reason many come), hospitals would suddenly survive and Doctors could be convinced to leave first world countries to work in remote areas of the bush with bribes that totally won’t blow our budget.

          You are a fool, who bases his opinions on the racist ramblings of another racist, never allowing anything new in. Thankfully your party will do nothing but tear itself apart with inner turmoil like it did last time.

          And here’s what you ignored:

          1. let’s ignore the fact that migrants, all migrants, bring industry, create jobs, making tax, which in turn results in better services in the community. What jobs have you created recently?

          2. How are you going to help Australians in need, and protect flaura and fauna? Or is it just “Ban the brown-skins and everything else will solve itself”?

        • Bruce. Refugees an temporary visas receive less than newstart. Keeping refugees in detention is what is costing money

    • You have a really poor understanding of macro-economics, dude…EG the reason the average rent in aus is so high has a LOT more to it than simply “there’s too many people/migrants”. Also, a few thousand refugees are inconsequential to your argument. If you’re talking about ordinary migration, it’s needed. Without more people our economy would be dead in the water. Do you honestly think the govt takes in just anyone outa the kindness of their hearts? Blaming our economic woes on migrants is just scapegoating (and an illogical one at that)

  7. MMU….as one of the few blogs holding up a mirror to the ugliness that is racism, homophobia and white supremacy in Australian society I wouldn’t have expected a narrative of “that uppity Vietnamese refugee should know his place”. And how on earth is Dennis Jensen one of my own??? Both The ALP and the Libs have been shamefully stirring up hatred against refugees.

    Bruce please don’t use the our amazing ecosystem to bolster your racist ranting. Do your research they are refugees, we should welcome them.

    • However, a narrative of “hypocritical LNP candidate supports policies that would close off an opportunity that he himself used in the past, and being Vietnamese gives the LNP a convenient rebuttal to claims of racism” is entirely reasonable.

    • I think MMU may have assumed too much about your beliefs, but it is not a case of “Uppity Veitnamese”-it’s a case of pointing out the hypocrisy of Nguyen’s stance. He did travel on a fishing vessel to escape Vietnam:
      http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/refugee-candidate-says-stop-the-boats-20130808-2rkib.html

      Hypocrisy should always be pointed out. Why should we not point out the hypocrisy of Nguyen’s view of boat arrivals contradicting in his own experience of being a boat arrival, when we are happy to point out Hockey’s contradiction of saying a interest rate drop is terrible, unless the Coalition is in power?

  8. Bruce, please provide a link to a news story or government press release that boat people cost $60 billion a year. If not, you’re making it up. I’m calling your bluff.

  9. You speak a lot of nonsense JM, but you’ve outdone yourself by saying Hitler didn’t make it known that the Jews were to get out of Germany or die if they stayed. He gave them about 6 years to find some where else to live before warning them on 30/01/1939 that he planned on wiping them out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution#Historiographic_debate_about_the_decision

    “Thankfully we have strict tests down for all overseas qualifications to ensure medical competence.”

    So how did Jayant Patel get through the system?

    Wasn’t he found to be incompetent by the Oregon Board of Medical Examiners? I read some where that the details of his case in Oregon were publicly available on the net. I think Alan Jones mentioned it on his show a few years back. The Queensland Government would have known this if they did a simple Google search on him.

    There are plenty of incompetent foreign doctors who must have dodgy qualifications plaguing the hospital system. I’m not going to trawl through the internet for documented cases because I’ve seen it with my eyes and experienced it in the flesh. My family was unfortunate enough to encounter a doctor of this sort back in the early 1990s. He was a Russian and was eventually struck off by the medical board. If you choose to disbelieve it then fine by me. I couldn’t care less what you think.

    There are plenty of Asian students in Australia cheating their way through uni. I’m not going to search for every documented piece of evidence, but I will give you this link. http://www.herdsa.org.au/wp-content/uploads/conference/2004/PDF/A033-jt.pdf

    Do your own homework for the rest of the evidence. When you look at how many Asians are running businesses that they know nothing about it becomes clear that something fishy is going on. Women have been physically scarred for life because the Asian beauty technicians they went to weren’t qualified. If you bother to watch A Current Affair then you will know about the many cases that have been documented.

    “Have you actually ever met any international students? I’m married to one-and most of her friends are also international students, also living permanently in Australia.”

    Are you admitting that Pauline Hanson is right about Asians sticking to their own and not assimilating into the community?

    Expert political scientist Robert D. Putnam proved that social trust declines when ethnics only mix with their own kind and form ethnic ghettos. The rate of distrust is linked to the amount of ethnic “diversity”. The more ethnics, the greater the distrust. I’ll take the results of his groundbreaking study that has a very large sample size over the delusional fantasies you have about a big “diverse” Australia. You’ve contributed to the problem in Australia by allowing it to happen right under your nose.

    The leaders of Britain and Northern Ireland, Germany and France have said multiculturalism is a failure. They know a bit more than you.

    “In fact, one of the top reasons for students to come to Australia, rather than sya America, is the possibility that they can gain permanent residency. You remove that possibility, you remove a large number of students and cut our Universities down-leading to the evntual closure of many of them, particularly the smaller ones.”

    So this country’s future is dependent on giving permanent residency to foreign students who pay a fee? Are you nuts? Closing down a few universities would have a minimal impact on this country. There’s too many of them for a country with a small population. The only people who would be affected would be the privileged academic staff at the unis who’ve never spent much time out in the real world.

    What about the TAFE campuses?

    You said they would be gone in another post because apparently they’re full of foreign students. I went to TAFE a couple of years. I only saw one Asian on the campus during the 6 months that I was there. So I call bullshit on your claim. You make it up as you go along.

    Australia would do just fine if the government floated the Australian dollar and protected local industries like every other country in the developed world. Our industries cannot compete because the tiny tariffs our government places on imported goods do not cancel out the cost of labour in this country. Australian based companies have to pay high wages to their employees because of the high minimum wage that was negotiated by the workers unions. Asian countries pay their workers next to nothing. Quality Australian products have been priced out of the market by inferior products that are made by kids and peasants in Chinese, Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi sweatshops because we cannot compete with the prices. If you cared about Human rights then you would be leading calls to block all imported good from third world countries or place massive tariffs on the companies who sell them so that they cannot undercut our industries. Peasants and children are suffering terribly in the third world because greedy lefties prefer to buy poorly made clothes, cars and electrical goods that are sold cheap by corrupt Asian companies. A few more decades of this crap and Australia will be a third world country with China and India ruling the world. Their poor record of dealing with Human and animal rights doesn’t fill me with my confidence that the world will be a better place once they’ve taken control of it.

    Japan has flourished with its stringent anti-immigration policy and strong protectionist policies for its manufacturing sector. I don’t see you attacking them. Australia has the ability to outcompete Japan in the manufacturing sector. We have a proud history of making quality electrical products, automobiles, safety products and scientific breakthroughs. Some of those industries have been forced out of business by our government’s lack of protectionist policies, but with the right regime we can bounce back as a major player on the global sector.

    We cannot always rely on our raw resources. The mining tax has brought in bugger all. The money that’s generated from them is mostly going overseas. 457 Visas are used to bring in foreign workers because the multinationals who run the mines can get away with paying them less. They’re jobs that could be held by Indigenous Australians who live in rural Australia. All we’ll have left at the end is a huge hole in the ground, a contaminated water table and a dead ecosystem where native fauna and flora used to exist. If that’s your preferred vision of Australia’s future then I don’t want it.

    The $60,000,000,000 figure is something I heard on the 6:00pm news or political bulletin a few months back. I either heard it wrong or the information was false. I probably got it mixed up with the figure for the NBN roll out, which was spoken about during the broadcast. I was busy fixing a problem with an electrical product and making a TV fly lead. I’ve got better things to do than trawl government websites for figures on these matters.

    “A boatperson gets 85% of the lowest Centrelink payment. A pensioner gets more than the lowest centrelink payment. You are wrong.”

    Try to be objective and reveal how much it costs to look after them instead of just saying one is given more expendable money. Each boatperson costs the taxpayer $70,000 a year. That makes them a far bigger burden on the tax payer than the poor old pensioners who are doing it tough after working their arses off to make Australia a great country. Truths like that put your crazy spin about the “poor” boatpeople into perspective.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/australia-will-be-paying-70000-for-each-asylum-seeker-that-arrives/story-fncynjr2-1226655532914

    So there will be 40,000 asylum seekers next financial and each one will cost more than $70,000. 40,000 multiplied by $70,000 comes to $2,800,000,000. If they didn’t dispose of their identification records then it wouldn’t cost so much. They’re a menace to Australians who are doing it tough.

    You haven’t answered how an arid continent like Australia is going to deal with millions of people. If you really think that we have an obligation to take in people from the third world then we’ll have to take in millions of them. You can’t say to a few that they can come and then tell the rest to get stuffed. That’s discriminatory and against the very values you’re pushing for on here. Less than 1% of Australia has fresh water on its surface. Much of the land is stuffed because the flimsy layer of topsoil on it was destroyed by the European-style farming methods that the British settlers used in the 18th and 19th centuries. The few remaining inland refuges need to be kept safe for the few species of fauna that still exist. Dozens of species from this area have gone extinct since European settlement. Why don’t you do what’s right and fight for the rights of our native fauna? There’s no possibility of these people from the third world going extinct any time soon. Get our priorities right.

    “You didn’t read this article, did you? You just saw the headlines, then didn’t bother to read it. If you did, you would have seen this sentence:”

    I read this part part:

    “Adding the rate of underemployment to the rate of unemployment produces a more comprehensive measure of underutilisation in the labour market. On recent figures, the (trend) rate of underemployment stood at 7 per cent and the rate of unemployment at 5.1 per cent, yielding an overall labour force underutilisation rate of 12.2 per cent (rounded up).”

    Australians need to work longer hours than people from most other countries because the cost of living is so expensive here. It makes underemployment every bit as important as unemployment, especially for people who are trying to raise a family. Our kids will fall behind if they are not raised in a stable environment with the resources they need. Australia will lag behind the other countries if our children don’t keep up to speed. It’s important that we look after our children before we go running to the beck and call of these boatpeople. We cannot help everyone. If the Africans and Asians didn’t root like rabbits then they wouldn’t be in such a crappy situation. Australians shouldn’t be made to pay for the recklessness of other people.

    Don’t accuse me of not caring about the people of PNG, you little prick. I love PNG. It’s a wonderful country full of lovely people. They’re like us Queenslanders, especially when it comes to our mutual love for rugby league. Any country that loves its rugby league has my unconditional support. I’d love to perform volunteer work up in PNG. Bring more of them down here to play in our rugby league academies. I’m happy to live side by side with Papua New Guineans. Give them a Queensland Cup or NRL team and build their infrastructure and they’ll be the happiest people on Earth.

    Australians have treated our good friends up in PNG with contempt over this boatpeople deal. Arrogant do-gooders were making fun of the country on the ABC’s radical left program Q&A. Go watch the replay of the program and read the nasty tweets that were made by the lefties. Peter O’Neill complained about the negative attitude on the ABC.

    http://asopa.typepad.com/asopa_people/2013/07/png-slaps-abbott-over-reaction-to-boatpeople-deal-.html?cid=6a00d83454f2ec69e201901e6d26b6970b#comment-6a00d83454f2ec69e201901e6d26b6970b

    Sending a small amount of boatpeople to PNG will deter the rest of them from getting on the boats. The few who are resettled in PNG will have to fend for themselves, which is a good thing.

    • I always thought the ABC was (or at least tries to be) impartial (I also understand this is impossible when dealing with a world population of over 7 billion people). Is it possible that people think that the ABC is biassed because they haven’t regularly been exposed to impartial news?

      I do understand that being impartial in media is a hard thing to achieve. However the ABC’s media watch program does expose when this doesn’t occur, even if it occurs on the ABC. What other media outlet does this?

      When the ABC was struggling under questionable management Kerry O’Brien interviewed the director/manager regarding this. What other (Australian) media outlet would do this?

      Personally, when I want the facts, I go to ABC or SBS. When I want mindless entertainment, I watch something else.

    • “He gave them about 6 years to find some where else to live before warning them on 30/01/1939 that he planned on wiping them out.”

      Your source doesn’t say that. It says that in 1939, months prior to the start of world war II, Jews were told be Hitler that if war started they will be eradicated.

      So prior to January 1939, if a Jew was fleeing Nazi Germany, would you have sent them back on the grounds their government had not formally informed them that they will be exterminated?

      “So how did Jayant Patel get through the system?”

      Jayant Patel, who came through the US training system (Banning all Doctors from America now, are we?) demonstrates the system is not perfect.
      According to you, this means we need to ban all doctors from every country (Because, as I said befroe, PAtel was trained in America).

      “There are plenty of incompetent foreign doctors who must have dodgy qualifications plaguing the hospital system. ”

      You have a source for this, right?

      “. I’m not going to trawl through the internet for documented cases because I’ve seen it with my eyes and experienced it in the flesh. ”

      So, no then. No source at all. So the reason we should believe you is….what exactly?

      “There are plenty of Asian students in Australia cheating their way through uni. I’m not going to search for every documented piece of evidence, ”

      Or in other words….I’m going to make a highly offensive comment about an entire population of people, but not back it up because….well you have to believe me.

      Look at comments like this-do you start to realise why One Nation gets no where, and continues to fail?

      Incidentally, your article doesn’t say “There is a widespread problem of cheatin amongst Asian students”-it says “Let’s explore the reasons for plagiarism amongst students in Asia”-if you had read that you would know it.

      “Do your own homework for the rest of the evidence.”

      Cool-so you make an outrageous claim, and it’s up to everyone else to prove it. Seems fair.
      Kinda like me saying “Bruce is a rapist, and One Nation is a party designed to procure underage children, isn’t it?”
      Why did I say it? Well, do your own homework, and prove me right, okay Bruce?

      “When you look at how many Asians are running businesses that they know nothing about it becomes clear that something fishy is going on. ”

      Source for that? No, of course you have no sources. You never do.

      “If you bother to watch A Current Affair then you will know about the many cases that have been documented.”

      If so many cases have been documented, why can’t you document any of them? Oh, is it more of the “invisible cases only Bruce can see”?

      “Are you admitting that Pauline Hanson is right about Asians sticking to their own and not assimilating into the community?”

      No, I’m admitting you are a person who is isolationist and not wanting to meet with anyone who is slightly different. As a person who has been a friend, coleague and now husband to a person of the Asian community, I know Pauline Hanson is wrong. And I know you’re an idiot who has had no contact with people who aren’t white. So you’re basing all your hate on…bullshit and extremism.
      So I’ll ask again-Have you actually ever met any international students?

      “Expert political scientist Robert D. Putnam proved that social trust declines when ethnics only mix with their own kind and form ethnic ghettos”

      So….social trust declines when people mix with only their own kind, but it’s okay when white people do it?
      Well thankfully, in Melbourne, we do have a mix of cultures-particularly over time. But you don’t come to Melbourne, do you Bruce? It would prove you wrong, and you don’t like seeing things that show you to be wrong.

      “The leaders of Britain and Northern Ireland, Germany and France have said multiculturalism is a failure. They know a bit more than you.”

      The countries of Britain, Northern Ireland, Germany and France are not Australia. The fact that you think they are shows that I know more about Australia than yuo do. It also shows the average newly arrived immigrant knows more about Australia than you do.
      As does this article:
      http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/mongrelnation/4829014

      “Closing down a few universities would have a minimal impact on this country. ”

      So you want to get a lot of Doctors, but also want to stop places hwere they are trained? Great plan!

      “The only people who would be affected would be the privileged academic staff at the unis who’ve never spent much time out in the real world.”

      So…someone wants to study at university-how exactly are they going to do it when the universities close? Oh, I know-medicine will now be provided through on job campuses.

      ” I went to TAFE a couple of years. I only saw one Asian on the campus during the 6 months that I was there. So I call bullshit on your claim. You make it up as you go along.”

      Cool-so you’ve been to one TAFE a couple of years ago. That certainly proves that all TAFES have no Asian or non-white students doesn’t it?
      I’ve worked with 4 different TAFES, and have been contacting international students from countries all around the world. There are TAFEs in Melbourne that have virtually all their courses being provided to international students.

      I’m not calling bullshit on you. I’m calling “Ignorance and not seeing outside his own four walls and thinking that’s the world”

      Then you call for tariffs. Great, I totally agree with you. But what does that have to do with immigration? How does having migrants here lead to jobs going overseas?

      ” because greedy lefties prefer to buy poorly made clothes,”

      Wait-Nike and big businesses are now leftie socialist organisatiosn nwo? You don’t know what words mean, do you?

      “Japan has flourished with its stringent anti-immigration policy and strong protectionist policies for its manufacturing sector. I don’t see you attacking them.”

      I don’t need to. Japan is needing to change it’s own immigration policies, due to its rapidly ageing population. They’re chaing their immigration policies this very year.
      Sources:
      http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2013/07/21/drastic-change-in-immigration-policy-off-the-japanese-election-agenda/
      http://www.murthy.com/2013/05/24/japan-times-aging-population-needs-immigrants/

      “The $60,000,000,000 figure is something I heard on the 6:00pm news or political bulletin a few months back.”

      So, no source then? None at all?

      “I probably got it mixed up with the figure for the NBN roll out, ”

      So you were wrong then? You made a mistake. That’s fair enough. Could you be wrong about your many other unsourced comments?

      “I’ve got better things to do than trawl government websites for figures on these matters.”

      Cool, so again you make outlandish claims then ask for everyone else to prove them. So you won’t mind me saying you murder children habitually, and ask you to prove me right. That’s cool right?

      “Try to be objective and reveal how much it costs to look after them instead of just saying one is given more expendable money. Each boatperson costs the taxpayer $70,000 a year. ”

      True. That’s because detention costs a lot of money. Offshore detention costs even more. Having asylum seekers released from detention is far cheaper. This is what all other countries do, and what we do with all asylum seekers who don’t arrive on boats. So why not end detention for all?

      But you’re not going to say that. You’re going to say “We need detention” at the same time you’re complaining about how much it costs. You are paying for your own fear, then blaming others for your own fear.

      “You haven’t answered how an arid continent like Australia is going to deal with millions of people. ”

      You haven’t answered most of my questions. Including how migration from non-white countries is unsustainable, but migration from white countries apparently is sustainable.

      “If you really think that we have an obligation to take in people from the third world then we’ll have to take in millions of them. ”

      So your argument is “We have to take millions of people to help them all, but we can’t take a million people, so we won’t take any?”

      This is what this sounds like to me: “I passed a house on fire, and I felt I could comfortable save two or three people, but not all people inside the burning house, so instead I will save none”

      We can’t take in millions of people. There is a limit of our intake currently to prevent it reaching millions. Now, true, we are only helping a small percentage of those in need-but it matters a lot to that small percentage.

      “You can’t say to a few that they can come and then tell the rest to get stuffed. ”

      We have a quota for all migration, and government services. Why are you wanting differently here?

      “Why don’t you do what’s right and fight for the rights of our native fauna?”

      Are you asking me to fight for the rights of animals, over human beings?

      “There’s no possibility of these people from the third world going extinct any time soon. ”

      Again-would you be saying the same thing to Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany?

      “If the Africans and Asians didn’t root like rabbits then they wouldn’t be in such a crappy situation. ”

      You are an idiot. Seriously-an idiot. African and Asian communities are not breeding like rabbits-migrant communities slow their number of children as their situation stabilises (Large child number is due to the poor life expectancy of children in countries).
      ” Bring more of them down here to play in our rugby league academies. I”

      So, how exactly are PNG’s okay to be in Australia, but everyone who is African, Asian, or Arab not okay?

      “The few who are resettled in PNG will have to fend for themselves, which is a good thing.”

      How is it a good thing? How is it a good thing for desperate people to be placed in a country they are unprepared for, and try to survive while dealing with antagonism from the unemployed population?

  10. “1. let’s ignore the fact that migrants, all migrants, bring industry, create jobs, making tax, which in turn results in better services in the community. What jobs have you created recently? ”

    Now I KNOW that you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed. To say that every single migrant that has emigrated to Australia has brought industry, jobs and paid tax shows you live in a fantasy world. There are plenty of immigrants in jail for violent crimes they’ve committed against Australians, sitting on the dole and taking jobs away from Australians. Those ones aren’t doing the things that you’re saying they do, are they?
    The amount of money that is wasted on migrants outweighs the positives the bring to our society.

    How are all of those Vietnamese beauty stores going? Plenty of Aussie women have been physically scarred from the dodgy work that is done by these migrants. If that’s “bringing industry” into the country then you take it back to where it came from!

    The icing on the cake of your delusion is that there was more industry in this country before Australia began bringing in immigrants from all corners of the globe! Think of how many companies have been sold off to foreigners, shut down operation in Australia and gone bust over the last 3 decades. What benefit did the immigrants have on them?

    “2. How are you going to help Australians in need, and protect flaura and fauna?”

    You don’t know how to spell flora (do you even know what it is?) yet you call me a fool? It’s not the only word you’ve failed to spell correctly.

    • There are plenty of immigrants in jail for violent crimes they’ve committed against Australians

      How many and what groups? The only crims we have heard about being deported after they serve their sentences have been Brits and Kiwis.

      Plenty of Aussie women have been physically scarred

      Evidence?

      there was more industry in this country before Australia began bringing in immigrants

      And it was highly protected and inefficient. It was only after immigrants came in the 50s that BHP started to exceed wartime levels of production.

      As far as conservation goes, it was white settlement with its slash and burn mentality and its poor land use that devastated millions of hectares of forest and grassland, created soil erosion and salination, contributed to the destruction of estuaries and reefs and led to species extinction. The Indigenous people had been managing the land for tens of thousands of years without such devastation occurring.

      • “As far as conservation goes, it was white settlement with its slash and burn mentality and its poor land use that devastated millions of hectares of forest and grassland, created soil erosion and salination, contributed to the destruction of estuaries and reefs and led to species extinction.”

        White Australians caused a lot of destruction. I’m disgusted with the way our ancestors treated the native fauna and flora. I get so angry when I think about the stupid campaign they launched against the poor old thylacine and drove it to extinction. Quolls have suffered too. The worst bit is how they wanted to cull all of the native fauna so that they could replace it with British wildlife and farm animals.

        “The Indigenous people had been managing the land for tens of thousands of years without such devastation occurring.”

        The Aborigines were pretty good with land conservation, but they weren’t perfect at it. They killed off the thylacine and Tasmanian devil on the mainland by introducing the dingo around 4,000 years ago. There were Tasmanian devils on the mainland as recently as 300 to 500 years ago.

        Our megafauna died out not long after the Aborigines migrated to Australia. At one stage the Komodo dragon was endemic to Queensland. I’m not sure when it became extinct in Australia, so I won’t blame its demise on the Aborigines.

        “Evidence?”

        See the archives of A Current Affair. They’ve run a few investigations on it.

        “The only crims we have heard about being deported after they serve their sentences have been Brits and Kiwis.”

        They also account for 85% or more of our historical migrants.

        Muslims are five times more likely to commit crime.

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        Don’t you think it’s a little naive to think that all nationalities are compatible with Australian culture? I’m not convinced that all of them are compatible with our values. Why bring them here if they’ll end up hating the place because we hold beliefs that upset them? Why should we have to put up with people who hold beliefs that upset us? We’re not going into their countries and telling them to change the way they live. So why should we change for them? The Chinese and Japanese would never embrace multiculturalism. So why should we take them in?

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        You won’t see that sort of cruelty in Australian. Or Britain. Or Europe. So I’d say that is a value of ours that conflicts with Asian culture.

        The Chinese and Vietnamese have brought a lot of organised crime into the country. So have the Japanese.

        http://www.fas.org/irp/world/australia/docs/ncaaoc2.html
        http://www.fas.org/irp/world/australia/docs/ncaaoc1.html

        The Japanese were inhumane during WWII. It took them 3 weeks to surrender after the second a-bomb was dropped on them. Many of them chose suicide over shame of defeat. Do you want these sort of people in our country?

        Chinese and Vietnamese have taken over many urban areas of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. I know a couple of suburbs around Brisbane that have very few white people and have Chinese writing all over the malls. Chinese writing should not be there because it is not the official language of Australia. It’s wrong to make Australians feel like foreigners in their own country.

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        • See the archives of A Current Affair. They’ve run a few investigations on it.

          Do you really think that constitutes “evidence”? What a joke.

          They killed off the thylacine and Tasmanian devil on the mainland by introducing the dingo around 4,000 years ago.

          Hardly an indictment of Aboriginals. Those animals might have been made extinct by climate change.

          Don’t you think it’s a little naive to think that all nationalities are compatible with Australian culture?

          Define “Australian culture”. One thing for sure, your definition would not match any of ours.

          I’m not convinced that all of them are compatible with our values

          “Our” values? Speak for yourself.

          The Chinese and Japanese would never embrace multiculturalism.

          China has always been a multi-ethnic country. The Han Chinese are merely the majority population. Each ethnic group has its own language and culture. Even Communism has not changed that. Within the dominant Han population there are at least two distinct Chinese dialects and numerous others.

          You won’t see that sort of cruelty in Australian. Or Britain. Or Europe. So I’d say that is a value of ours that conflicts with Asian culture.

          Oh really? You’d better talk to some animal welfare groups in those countries. Start with our RSPCA and they’ll have some stories to tell. True ones, unlike yours.

          The Chinese and Vietnamese have brought a lot of organised crime into the country. So have the Japanese.

          Actually Asians have a lower crime rate than the general population. There are only small number of Japanese living in Australia.Japanese women represent about two thirds (20,413) of the Japanese-born in Australia.

          So we assume that your mythical Japanese yakuzi consist largely of women, a few being the elderly brides of Australian WWII veterans? Yes or no?

          As for your only citing of respectable source material, those national crime reports, you shot yourself in the foot.

          “It is a matter for debate, however, whether the ethnic factor is sometimes overstated in the context of ‘Asian organised crime’ in Australia.”

          “However, by omitting consideration of Russian organised crime from this discussion paper, the Committee is not taking issue with the view that Australian agencies must remain alert to the real possibility that Russian-based criminal groups may target Australia” (Hey they’re white men!)

          One of the suggestions made in this discussion paper is that Asian organised crime, as it impacts on Australia at least, is considerably less organised than might be thought from an uncritical reading of media reports.

          So stop watching TDT/ACA you dopey gwailo !

        • “See the archives of A Current Affair. They’ve run a few investigations on it.”

          We ask you for a source. You tell us that at sometime in the past 20 years of Current Affairs, the gutter trash of tabloid journalism, there was a story on it once-we should go find it ourselves.

          Cool, that;s fair. Well I’m pretty sure you’re a terrorist. I’m sure 4 corners did a story syaing you were a terrorist once. Go check their archives.

          “Muslims are five times more likely to commit crime.”

          Source for that. Actual real source-not from “We hate Muslims, so find reasons to hate Muslims fan group”

          “Don’t you think it’s a little naive to think that all nationalities are compatible with Australian culture?”

          Nope. Do you tihnk you’re a bit naive to judge entire groups you have no knowledge and no direct contact with?

          How exactly are other group incompatible with Australian culture? What exaclty is Australian culture?

          “I’m not convinced that all of them are compatible with our values. ”

          What are Australian values which other cultures are incompatible with?

          “Why bring them here if they’ll end up hating the place because we hold beliefs that upset them? ”

          What are these inherently Australian beliefs that will offend all non-Australians?

          “Why should we have to put up with people who hold beliefs that upset us? ”

          What beliefs do all non-white migrants have that upset you? Why?

          “So why should we change for them?”

          Who exactly is telling you to change your way of living? How exactly has your way of living been effected in anyway by immigration?

          “The Chinese and Japanese would never embrace multiculturalism. ”

          Well, China is a Communsit country brutally repressing any idea of cultural identity. Is that the country we’re meant to be like? (What a surprise-a One Nation member supporting an anti-democratic brutally repressive government!)

          And Japan is moving to accept migrants-because they are not surviving on their birth rate alone. So they’re slowly becoming more like us.

          “The Chinese and Vietnamese have brought a lot of organised crime into the country. So have the Japanese.”

          Whereas caucasian people are paragons of virtue, who never commit crimes ever, right? Organised crime-does it exist among Caucasian people?

          “The Japanese were inhumane during WWII. ”

          So we should not allow Japanese because of WWII? Should we also block Germans and ITalians due to WWII?

          “Do you want these sort of people in our country?”

          So because of WWII occurring multiple generations ago, following which the country overwent dramatic and significant cultural change, Japanese people should not be allowed (While presumably allowing Germans and Italians-because they didn’t do anything wrong in WWII).

          So, is it all countries we’re banning because of actions of the past-or just the non-white ones? America-out because of slavery? England-out because of Jewish-persecution?

          “Chinese and Vietnamese have taken over many urban areas of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.?

          How exactly are they “taking over”? Are they turning up, guns aimed, forcing people out of their home? Or are they..shockingly, finding available accomodation in an area they choose to live and….shockingly, living there.

          Incidentally, I lived in Melbourne for 10 years. Tell me all these areas where Asians have taken out, where white people were not welcome. I’d love to know them.

          “I know a couple of suburbs around Brisbane that have very few white people and have Chinese writing all over the malls. ”

          What suburbs? And are white people forced out-or just not so common?
          Because I’ve been to Vietnamese majority suburbs in such places as Canbramatta-and while this is no where near as good as we have it in Victoria, I’m still welcomed. No one wants me out.

          “Chinese writing should not be there because it is not the official language of Australia.”

          So you’ll be calling for the banning of Italian language stores in Lygon street in Melbourne, right? Or is it only Asian languages that should be banned?

          Chinese writing is there because they want to get customers who speak only Chinese. If they aim only for Chinese customers, they are being foolish and reduce their possible customer base, and tha’ts their mistake. But that’s what you’re not being annoyed about-you’re annoyed they will try to get Chinese speaking customers at all. Because rejecting a customer base, particularly a common customer base is something a business should be doing.

          “It’s wrong to make Australians feel like foreigners in their own country.”

          So, making a Australian feel like a foreigner can occur by-being non-white and existing in a particular suburb, and having shops that have foreign asian languages (European languages are fine) on items to sell to customers. That’s all it takes?

          And apparently, the Australian will then be deported and lost in Australia, not just going to the next store where they can be welcomed feel at ease, and celebrating their abilities, throguh capitalism, to shop at a different place if they feel unwelcome at one place.

    • “To say that every single migrant that has emigrated to Australia has brought industry, jobs and paid tax shows you live in a fantasy world.”

      True, thank goodness I never said that. I said that migrants create industry, and asked what jobs you personally have created. You failed to answer this.

      “There are plenty of immigrants in jail for violent crimes they’ve committed against Australians,”

      Just as there’s plenty of Australians in prison for violent crimes.

      ” sitting on the dole and taking jobs away from Australians. ”

      What-both? Immgirants are both on the dole and working? You’ve got any internal-contradiction sensor at all?

      “The amount of money that is wasted on migrants outweighs the positives the bring to our society.”

      Evidence for this. Any evidence at all.

      “How are all of those Vietnamese beauty stores going? ”

      Pretty well, as are the bakeries, restaurants, and shopping centres. How many businesses have you started up?

      “Plenty of Aussie women have been physically scarred from the dodgy work that is done by these migrants. ”

      Source for this-source to show it is riskier at a Vietnamese beauty salon than any other beauty salon.

      “Think of how many companies have been sold off to foreigners, shut down operation in Australia and gone bust over the last 3 decades. What benefit did the immigrants have on them?”

      Wait-so migrant coming to Australia has lead to jobs going overseas? Are you honestly saying that immigration in Australia has lead to big businesses saying “Hey-there’s a world outside Australia where we can do business on the cheap-never noticed that before!”

      “What benefit did the immigrants have on them?”

      They created import businesses, stores, restaurants, clothing stores, education facilities, etc-all of which create taxes. What exactly have you done recently to create jobs and wealth for Australia?

      You completely failed to answer this question:
      “2. How are you going to help Australians in need, and protect flaura and fauna?”

  11. And sit comfortably, because we’re about to go through all the comments that Bruce ignored:

    1. I have met people who have fled Colombia due to a drug cartel putting a hit out on them. This person was not accepted as a refugee because he was fleeing due to being a son of an informant-this does not meet the definition of a refugee. Yet you are asking me to believe that despite many people with real fears of persecution being rejected due to not meeting the exact letter of the refugee definition, other refugees are just waved through on the benefit of the doubt? Have you even ever met an asylum seeker or are you basing this all on hearsay and inuendo?

    2. So….which is more of the threat? The person who undergoes multiple security checks, and can and will be deported if they commit serious crimes, or the person who undergoes no security checks, and definitely won’t be deported if they commit serious crimes?

    3. So, because of reports of rape among asylum seekers, we should ban all asylum seekers? Should we ban all men from Australia too?

    4. As this article demonstrates, none of the asylum seekers he was referring to have had their claims assessed at all-so how would he know that they were not real refugees? Does Carr have psychic powers?
    Source: http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-asylum-seekers-really-economic-migrants-15601

    5. How can a group settle in a country with hyperinflation, widespread unemployment, and poverty?

    6. Please tell me, how a first world country, with a strong economy can somehow be unable to manage a refugee intake which is small by international standards, but PNG with its poverty and hyper inflation somehow can.

    7. What you’re writing sounds suspiciously like “If you are desperate, you are not allowed to complain about anything”-how does that stand with our definition of free speech?

    8. if someone asks you for help, you help them, right Bruce? You don’t tell them to go away, because you’re too busy looking after someone who hasn’t asked for your help but may want it, right?

    9. Bruce-have you ever actually met a Muslim?

    10. I’m sure you’ve got examples of refugees not caring about Australia. I look forward to your examples.

    11. Ummm, Bruce, if refugees are all bludgers-how come so few of them are unemployed?
    Source: http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/research/_pdf/settlement-outcomes-new-arrivals.pdf

    12. But I’m sure you’ve got better evidence that shows, despite these stats showing refugees to be engaged with work, studying, or caring for family members, they actually are doing nothing but taking centrelink income, with no intention of ever doing anything. I await your data.

    13. there seems to be a running theme of “We shouldn’t help people if we don’t owe them anything”-do you carry that over to your daily life? If your neighbour’s house is on fire do you say “Well, I couldhelp him, but he didn’t help me when my house was on fire, which it has never been, so I don’t owe him anything” and let him burn?

    14. Pray tell-who is a real refugee by your criteria, Bruce?

    15. What are you, as a One Nation supporter, going to do to help Aborigines? Or is it just a case of “Yelling at Muslims and hopes all other problems just solve themselves naturally as a result”

    16. How exactly are all Anglo-sacon countries (I’m guessing you’re including European countries here) compatible with Australia in a way that other countries are not? Please be speicifc, but say something other than “We have similar skin colours-so we’re all friends!”

    17. What does assimilation even look like? What are Australian values that Msulims and Asians conflict with?
    Incidentally, how many Asians and Muslims have you actually talked to? More or less than 5?

    18. And naturally you’ll have evidence of Asians and Muslims being more likely to commit crime than any other group in Australia-right? And you’ll be able to name the suburbs of Australia that have been “taken over” by Asians and Muslims, right?

    19. Why do you hate Asians and Muslims so much?

    20. Somehow the stresses on the infrastructure and the environment, which will destroy the country if it involves a migration of brown skinned people, is totally okay when it involves white people. How does that work?

    21. And if you were fleeing for your life, wouldn’t you be selling everything you own to get yourself and your family to safety?

    22. Aghanistan, Sri Lanka and IRan-What makes these people so unworthy to flee their country?

    23. If you were fleeing for your life, wouldn’t you be selling everything you own to get yourself and your family to safety?

    24. So….one doctor is dodgy, therefore all non-white doctors are dodgy-is that right? Wasn’t there an English Doctor who killed a lot of people-are we going to ban all English doctors too?

    25. in Bruce’s world if you are not white you are to blame for anything anyone who isn’t white has done, but if you are white, you are only responsible for your own actions-right?

    26. Are you going to go into every hospital in the freakin’ country and demand that all non-white people quit immediatly? I’m serious-are you going to do this right now?

    27. Have you actually ever met any international students?

    28. if you know of a secret pathway where all refugees get a house free of charge, please let me know. My clients who are managing rent that takes up 50% of their Yotuh Allowance while they study would love to access public housing.

    29. The housing in question was a hotel room. Which they could not leave without reporting their location at each day. Can you imagine a lot of people wanting that situation.

    30. So we should let them get working rights, as they used to have until last year? After all, asylum seekers who arrive by plane usually all have the right to work, so why not people who arrive by boat?

    31. So employers are hiring refugees for lower than the minimum wage? You should really bring that up with the ACCC-if you had any evidence of it.

    32. When was the last time you saw the McDonald’s union having a strike?

    33. “Young Aussies can’t get jobs that were freely available 30 years ago because it’s cheaper to hire an illegal immigrant. ”

    You’ve got evidende for that, naturally. Right?

    34. Again-one doctor being terrible means all non-white doctors are terrible, right? You don’t see this as racist at all, do you?

    35. How are you going to help Australians in need, and protect flaura and fauna? Or is it just “Ban the brown-skins and everything else will solve itself”?

    36. What jobs have you created recently?

  12. “because greedy lefties prefer to buy poorly made clothes” what a ludicrous claim. you will find it is the greedy capitalist societies that prefer to buy cheap clothes. If it is so poorly made why are people still buying these clothes when more expensive alternatives exist. Having said that Bruce, do you own anything made in china or Bangladesh?

    “Boatpeople who are still being processed often get cash in the hand jobs at a lower a rate, displacing Australians from the workforce” there are also thousands of European backpackers and young tourists illegally working when their visa expired. Bruce, do you think that’s ok. Or ok as they are predominantly white?

    ““I’ve got better things to do than trawl government websites for figures on these matters” in the time spent arguing here you could easily research and back your made up claims. People often invent stuff when they are losing an argument.

    Bruce, you are a clear uninformed racist and have presented plenty of evidence.

  13. “Oh really? You’d better talk to some animal welfare groups in those countries. Start with our RSPCA and they’ll have some stories to tell. True ones, unlike yours.”

    Why did you remove the stuff that was at the beginning of that paragraph? You know, the bit about China’s fur farming industry and systemtic cruelty in zoos? You called it an “ANTI-ASIAN STEREOTYPICAL RANT”.

    Removing that made the rest of it look as if I was saying there’s no animal cruelty in Australia. My point was that our zoos do not feed living animals to lions and Australians would never find that sort of conduct funny. You deliberately edited it so that the point couldn’t be made because you had no answr t it. You’re a grub for doing that and you know it.

    What was wrong with the YouTube videos I linked to?

    They showed the dogs and cats that are routinely skinned alive in China and thrown onto a heap. How is that an “ANTI-ASIAN STEREOTYPICAL RANT”?

    What was wrong with the video of the Chinese zookeepers lowering live cows into a lions den so that the Chinese visitors could laugh themselves silly as the lions mauled the poor thing to death?

    I get it, you don’t want anyone to see any truth that conflicts with your ideals. GOTCHA!

    “I’ve worked with the RSPCA. I know there is animal abuse in Australia.”

    The videos I put up verified my claims. You removed them so that no one could see them. You’re a fascist grub.

    • I’m the putting the videos up again. I hope the fascist who runs this loony site doesn’t take them down like he did last night.

    • So, Chinese people are not allowed in Australia because “They’re zoos are cruel” irrspective of any individual’s view of animal rights. Naturally you’ll have evidence that all Chinese people are mutilating animals as soon as they arrive in Australia, right?

      And naturally you’ll also call for the banning of all migrants from France (They drown ducks in wine don’tchaknow! And make foe grais!) and America (They tie down animals to shoot them!) – or is it only China that has to be kind to animals-white countris can be as cruel as they want.

      “Australians would never find that sort of conduct funny. ”

      So no Australian ever engages in animal cruelty for fun, do they? I’m sturggling to understand the line-it’s okay for Australians to mistreat animals, as long as they don’t do it in public, is it? How do you sepearate acceptable animal cruelty (From european countries and Australians) for unacceptable animal cruelty (From China)?

      • “So no Australian ever engages in animal cruelty for fun, do they?”

        Why don’t you quote the full sentence instead of taking it out of context?

        “My point was that our zoos do not feed living animals to lions and Australians would never find that sort of conduct funny.”

  14. “Hardly an indictment of Aboriginals. Those animals might have been made extinct by climate change.”

    Or it could have had something to do with the fact that the Aboriginals’ widespread use of fire for hunting purposes changed the landscape to the point that gum trees wiped out the rainforests in all areas except Queensland. There are other factors that led to the destruction of our rainforests, but land burning was one of the biggest. Gum trees evolved to be hardy and regenerate very quickly after a firestorm. The flora rain forests grow at a much slower rate. Burning down a rainforest that’s next to a bushland that’s made up of gum trees will lead to the gum trees invading the area and outcompeting its flora into extinction. If there was no widespread burning then the reduction in our rainforests over the last 40,000 wouldn’t have been so dramatic.

    “China has always been a multi-ethnic country. The Han Chinese are merely the majority population. Each ethnic group has its own language and culture. Even Communism has not changed that. Within the dominant Han population there are at least two distinct Chinese dialects and numerous others.”

    I laughed so hard when I read that! The Chinese are one of the most xenophobic natons in the world. When Caucasian mummies were discovered in western China during the 20th century they tried to hide it from the world because they were ashamed of having non-Chinese people living in ancient China. Until DNA testing proved that all living Chinese are descended from Africans, just like every other race, it was generally believed in China that they were a different, superior species. Even their scientists held this view! Look it up if you don’t believe me. It’s all been documented. There are documentaries on it that have gone to air on the History Channel.

    “[VIDEO FROM HATE SITE REMOVED]

    Source for that. Actual real source-not from “We hate Muslims, so find reasons to hate Muslims fan group””

    I put the evidence last night, but the fascist who runs the site took it down because he’s a grub. The video I put up was from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation’s 7PM News.. The news anchor covered a study that found Muslims from Africa who’ve migrated to Australia are five times more likely to commit crime than any other ethnic group. I posted the video as evidence to back up my claim that Brits and Kiwis are not the worst offenders, which is what one of you guys was coming damn close to saying. It’s funny how you guys take down any evidence that conflicts with your views.

    • They said word for word that Muslims are more likely to commit crimes, did they? Nope, they didn’t. Doing your own research for you (Source: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/sorry_for_telling_us_the_truth_about_african_crime_rates/), I found that it reported that sudanese and Somali migrants are more likely to commit crimes than other ethnic groups.

      There are two important distinctions that need to be made here:
      1- Not all Sudanese and Somalis are Muslim. Many are Christian.
      2- Not all Muslims in Australia are Sudanese or Somalis.

      So your comment was that “Muslims are more likely to commit crimes” but that actual source states “Africna migrants, of many religions have a higher rate of convictions than other ethnic groups” True, this is alarming, and we need to find out why these crimes are happening and stop them being repetitive (Though also being aware that overall crimes committed by Africans make up less than 1% of all crimes)-but it’s also entirely different from what you said.

      Do you accept that your comments that Muslims in general are more likely to commit crimes is false, just as your comment that asylum seekers cost Australia $60bn a year was entirely false?

      ” The Chinese are one of the most xenophobic natons in the world.”

      So you’re now denying that there is division within China/ For crying out loud-they don’t even have one national language.

      “Until DNA testing proved that all living Chinese are descended from Africans, just like every other race, it was generally believed in China that they were a different, superior species.”

      So China can’t be diverse because they have a history of xenophobia-is that right? Do you not see that the evidence does not make sense at all in relation to the assertion? Hell, English people used to think they were the most superiro, even though they have always been made up diverse cultures (German, French and Celts combined).

      “Look it up if you don’t believe me. It’s all been documented. ”

      Ha! Talking about look it up, how about you read abou the demographics of China before you start writing more BS?

      Source:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#Ethnic_groups

      Exact quote:
      “The People’s Republic of China (PRC) officially recognizes 56 distinct ethnic groups, the largest of which are Han, who constitute 91.51% of the total population in 2010. “

      • JW, I usually ignore the loaded questions that you make because they’re dumb, but this one time I’m going to respond to some of the funnier ones.

        “35. How are you going to help Australians in need, and protect flaura and fauna? Or is it just “Ban the brown-skins and everything else will solve itself”?”

        You still haven’t learned how to spell flora.

        Do you even know what it means?

        As a wildlife carer I look after sick and orphaned animals. Educate dog and cat owners on how they can make their yards safe for local wildlife and how they can make their gardens a food resource and haven for birds, frogs and butterflies.

        Does that answer your question?

        “34. Again-one doctor being terrible means all non-white doctors are terrible, right? You don’t see this as racist at all, do you?”

        I brought up the Patel case because it makes a mockery of your claim that all foreign doctors are thoroughly screened before they’re given the gong to practice medicine in Australia. Keep on asking your stupid loaded questions about skin colour if it floats your boat.

        “22. Aghanistan, Sri Lanka and IRan-What makes these people so unworthy to flee their country? ”

        How many of the Sri Lankan “refugees” are terrorists who fought against their national government for decades in a meaningless civil war? Evading prosecution for the murders and bombings they’re responsible for might explain why they’re fleeing. If things are truly bad over there for civilians then it’s time for America, Australia, New Zealand and UK to send a few troops over there to clean it up.

        Australia has driven most of the Taliban out of Afghanistan. Our troops are coming home soon because the Afghans now have the situation under control.

        I don’t know much about the situation in Iran.

        “20. Somehow the stresses on the infrastructure and the environment, which will destroy the country if it involves a migration of brown skinned people, is totally okay when it involves white people. How does that work?”

        Remember all that crap you said about taking in people who are in need of help? There are billions of people in the third world who fall under that definition. We cannot take them all in. How are you going to tell some of them that they can come then tell the rest they can f*** off? With you being such a good Samaritan who doesn’t discriminate against anyone, there’s no way you could say no to any of them, right? Okay okay, that’s a loaded question. Now you know what you sound like.

        I don’t remember saying anything about Caucasian immigrants other than they’re compatible with our values. I’d prefer it if we didn’t take in any migrants because we’re overpopulated. Those who do come here should be the sort who’ll fit into most aspects of our society. We need people who’ll follow our sports, play our sports, wear our clothes, drive Australian made cars only, eat our food, listen to our music, and share the same beliefs as us so that their children can socialise with our children without there being any of the hiccups that come about when cultures conflict on a subject.

        I’m not concerned about Caucasian immigrants because not that many of them are coming her. We can take in 200,000 a year because it won’t lead to boat after boat of them coming to our shores.

        “19. Why do you hate Asians and Muslims so much?”

        Why don’t you go get a life?

        “17. What does assimilation even look like? What are Australian values that Msulims and Asians conflict with?”

        Are you serious?

        Here’s a few examples that are obvious to anyone who isn’t a crazy extremist leftie:

        Muslims oppress women and only eat meat that has been taken from animals that are slowly tortured to death.
        Muslim worship a paedophile.
        Asians skin animals alive and throw the bodies of the dying animals onto a heap, breaking their bones on impact. Look it up on YouTube.
        Asians rarely assimilate. Only a few of them will let their children marry an Australian.
        Asian businesses in Australia are often dodgy and a health risk to the public. Go do a bit of research and see for yourself.
        There are Asian uni students getting through their courses by plagiarising others’ work and paying others to do the work for them. Do you want these sort of people to get jobs that they are not qualified?
        Organised crime among Asians and Muslims is a problem.

        “15. What are you, as a One Nation supporter, going to do to help Aborigines? Or is it just a case of “Yelling at Muslims and hopes all other problems just solve themselves naturally as a result” ”

        I’m not aligned with any party. There’s a few that I have some good ideas, but none that all of the answers.

        But I’ll answer your question anyway. These are things that I would like to see happen.

        Make one of the Aboriginal languages an official language of Australia and have it taught in all schools.
        Introduce a quota so that 25% of all political candidates from the major parties have to be Aboriginal.
        Only have Aboriginal police officers patrolling Indigenous communities. Increase wages to for police to entice more Aboriginals to join the force. Bring in a program to fast track the development of Aboriginal police officers.
        Build more hospitals and schools in Aboriginal communities.
        Introduce a mandatory Aboriginal Studies course into primary school.
        Allocate more child social workers to Aboriginal communities and have them communicate with all children at least once a week. Educate them about their rights and give them services that they can turn to if their parents are abusing them.
        Open shelters in Aboriginal communities so that victims of domestic violence can escape. Introduce programs to educate the abusers.
        Introduce a welfare scheme that prevents Aboriginals from spending dole money on grog and smokes. This should to all people on welfare.
        Have an NRL round played specifically in Aboriginal communities.
        Integrate young Aboriginals into the mainstream community by bringing them to the big smoke for a few weeks each year when they’re of high school age.

        “13. there seems to be a running theme of “We shouldn’t help people if we don’t owe them anything”-do you carry that over to your daily life? If your neighbour’s house is on fire do you say “Well, I couldhelp him, but he didn’t help me when my house was on fire, which it has never been, so I don’t owe him anything” and let him burn?”

        We barely have enough resources to help Australians in need. We will not always be a rich country.Our money needs to be stored away for times when we’ll need it. Money should only be spent on Australian tax payers and our fauna and flora. Spending money on medical research is the best way we can help the rest of the world, which is something we already do.

        “11. Ummm, Bruce, if refugees are all bludgers-how come so few of them are unemployed?”

        For a group that make up about 15% of Australians, they make up way more than 15% of the people who line up at Centrelink putting their hand out for money.

        “10. I’m sure you’ve got examples of refugees not caring about Australia. I look forward to your examples. ”

        What about the radical Muslims? There are plenty of them living here.
        What about the Africans? They’re five times more likely to commit crime. The other day we had one run through Brisbane smashing taxis with a brick because he was annoyed at the movies. A woman was hit in the face by his brick. Go walk around Buranda. It’s full of Africans who sit around doing nothing all day. They obviously don’t work I’ve seen them drinking Scotch on the street in the middle of the day. They seem to have a kid every year or two.

        “6. Please tell me, how a first world country, with a strong economy can somehow be unable to manage a refugee intake which is small by international standards, but PNG with its poverty and hyper inflation somehow can.”

        Sending them to PNG will force them to get up of their butts and fend for themselves. Whatever skills they do have can be passed onto the locals to build infrastructure. Australia should be over there building roads, hospitals, schools and rugby league stadiums for the locals.

        “2. So….which is more of the threat? The person who undergoes multiple security checks, and can and will be deported if they commit serious crimes”

        One of your mates said that the only immigrants who’ve been deported are the ones from Britain and New Zealand.

        I’m done with you and this fascist site. It’s been fun but there’s better things to do, like enjoying the cricket. I think you’re a bunch of hypocrites. Your community promotes misogyny and classism and tells people to kill themselves (go see the comments under the blog about Mrs Banister) and you censor any truth that doesn’t back your ideals. Have fun being so kooky and extreme.

        • “JW, I usually ignore the loaded questions that you make because they’re dumb, but this one time I’m going to respond to some of the funnier ones.”

          So, you can’t answer questions, can’t provide proof of your extremist comments, but the real reason you won’t answer questions is because “They’re dumb”-is it?

          I can’t see how One Nation isn’t a huge mainstream success yet. I mean, how can the public fail to be won over by the inspirational talk of “I’m ignoring your question because it;s stupid”

          “As a wildlife carer I look after sick and orphaned animals. Educate dog and cat owners on how they can make their yards safe for local wildlife and how they can make their gardens a food resource and haven for birds, frogs and butterflies.

          Does that answer your question?”

          So, you’re going to do things that aren’t in any way effected by migrant arrivals, are you?

          “I brought up the Patel case because it makes a mockery of your claim that all foreign doctors are thoroughly screened before they’re given the gong to practice medicine in Australia. ”

          So, how are you choosing which doctors are okay, and which aren’t? I mean, Patel was registered and trained in America-America being western, and you have previously said you wanted to spend money convincing people on western countries to do medicine in Australia.

          And again, one case makes a mockery of an entire system. Does this apply to other things as well: “Well some innocent people go to prison, and some guilty people go free-therefore we must get rid of the court system!”

          “How many of the Sri Lankan “refugees” are terrorists who fought against their national government for decades in a meaningless civil war? ”

          That’s why we have ASIO security checks. But no, I’m sure your view of “Well they’re from Sri Lanka, so they might be bad, therefore they must all be banned from coming here” is totally a better way of doing things.

          “If things are truly bad over there for civilians then it’s time for America, Australia, New Zealand and UK to send a few troops over there to clean it up.”

          So, Australia should invade every country if they suspect persecution occurs there? How are we going to afford that Bruce? There’s a lot of countries out there who perseucte they’re people, and many of them have nukes.

          “Australia has driven most of the Taliban out of Afghanistan.”

          And they’ve come back. There’s been a resurgence. Something you would have realised if you watched any news in the last 10 years.

          “Our troops are coming home soon because the Afghans now have the situation under control.”

          Yet the bombing continues. The suicide attacks. The persecution of the hazara people.

          Australia is leaving because the afghani government is asking us too. The americans stay on, because things haven’t calmed down.

          “I don’t know much about the situation in Iran.”

          But you know they’re not real refugees-how?

          “We cannot take them all in. How are you going to tell some of them that they can come then tell the rest they can f*** off?”

          We already have a system where we accept a certain number each year. No one is saying get rid of the quota system. No one is suggesting we accept everyone.
          Except you.
          Again, your argument is “We can’t help everyone, so we help no one”-do you apply this to all events? If someone house was on fire, and you could save 3 people but not all the people in the house, you would save none of them.

          “I don’t remember saying anything about Caucasian immigrants other than they’re compatible with our values. ”

          How so? What ways are their values more compatible with ours?

          “We need people who’ll follow our sports,”

          So if you don’t follow sport you’re not an Australian?

          “wear our clothes, ”

          Wait, so we all have to wear the same clothes now?

          “drive Australian made cars only,”

          So if you drive a foreign car you’re not allowed to be Australian-even if you’re born in Australia?

          ” eat our food, ”

          What exactly is “our food”? Anyway? And is there a percentage deal, or if you have one stir fry you’re out of the country?

          “listen to our music,”

          What is “our music”? Listen to Billy Joel once, and you’re out of the country?

          ” and share the same beliefs as us so that their children can socialise with our children without there being any of the hiccups that come about when cultures conflict on a subject.”

          Kids don’t usually have racist conflict. They have conflict by being different, but unless you’re calling for cloning-everyone is different.

          What exactly are the beliefs that people need to have the same as us?

          Anyway, to summarise-the only people, according to Bruce, who are allowed to be Australians are the people who drive only Australian made cars, none others, eat only Australian food, listen to only Australian music, wear the same clothes as everyone else, and play and watch our sports?

          So the population of Australia is, like, 1-2 people now, are they?

          “I’m not concerned about Caucasian immigrants because not that many of them are coming her. ”

          Nope. The two largest immigrant source countries are and have always been New Zealand and England. But keep on making stuff up-it’s toally cool!

          ““19. Why do you hate Asians and Muslims so much?”

          Why don’t you go get a life?”

          Not answering the question.

          “Muslims oppress women and only eat meat that has been taken from animals that are slowly tortured to death.”

          Whereas Australians who aren;t muslim also can oppress women, and eat meat from animals that are killed in an also painful way. But we like to think we’re better.

          Have you even ever met a Muslim women?

          “Muslim worship a paedophile.”

          Source for that.

          “Asians skin animals alive and throw the bodies of the dying animals onto a heap, breaking their bones on impact. Look it up on YouTube.”

          Whereas Australians mutilate animals in a totally different way which is somehow okay to you because, y’know, they’re white.

          “Asians rarely assimilate. Only a few of them will let their children marry an Australian.”

          Yet here I am, married to an asian girl and knowing many other people dating and married to asian people. Naturally you’ll have evidence though that these are the rare exceptions, and all other Asian people won’t marry non Asians.

          And just to be clear-your definition of assimilation is “You have to marry me!”-not anything else? So no matter how much an Asian person improves Australia, support the country, they’re not considered proper if they’ve fallen in love and married someone who was also Asian.

          “Asian businesses in Australia are often dodgy and a health risk to the public. Go do a bit of research and see for yourself.”

          So I need to prove your own comments correct, do I? Fair enough.

          You’re a racist paedophile terrorist. Go and do a bit of research and prove it for yourself. Just as fair, isn’t it?

          “There are Asian uni students getting through their courses by plagiarising others’ work and paying others to do the work for them. Do you want these sort of people to get jobs that they are not qualified?”

          There are non-asian uni students going through their courses by plagiarising others and paying them to do their work for them. Why the focus on Asians, when others do it too.

          “Organised crime among Asians and Muslims is a problem.”

          How is it any more a problem than organised crime amongst non-asian and non-muslims? After all, as a proud Melbournian, when the gangland wars happened we weren’t worried about Asian or Muslim gangs.

          “Make one of the Aboriginal languages an official language of Australia and have it taught in all schools.”

          Good idea,

          “Introduce a welfare scheme that prevents Aboriginals from spending dole money on grog and smokes. This should to all people on welfare.”

          We already have this. People swap their food money for grog and smokes.

          To be honest, you actually had some good ideas about Aboriginal advancement. Of course, nothing you said is in anyway impacted by having immigrants. So why not try to put these through anyway?

          “We will not always be a rich country.Our money needs to be stored away for times when we’ll need it.”

          So to use my example again, if your neighbour’s house burns down and he needs a place to stay do you say “Well, you could stay at mine, but I might need that spare room someday, so go live on the street!”?

          “For a group that make up about 15% of Australians, they make up way more than 15% of the people who line up at Centrelink putting their hand out for money.”

          Naturally you have a source for that.
          Incidentally, when you break down the centrelink rates for refugees-very few get Newstart Allowance. More common is Youth allowance, for those who are studying. After that is carer’s payment, for caring for sick or disabled relatives.

          Are such people bludgers? If so, do you want to punish all non-migrants who receive the Youth Allowance or carer’s payment, as according to you they are bludgers?

          “What about the radical Muslims? There are plenty of them living here.”

          Examples please. Examples of radical muslims being any more common in Australia than non radical Muslims, or radical racists?

          “What about the Africans? They’re five times more likely to commit crime. ”

          Yet still make up less than 1% of the crime rate.

          “They obviously don’t work I’ve seen them drinking Scotch on the street in the middle of the day. ”

          I actually work with African migrants-it’s my job. All my clients are in school, and wanting to find work.

          But I’m sure your walking around and judging people by looking at them is so much more representative than actually meeting people.

          “Sending them to PNG will force them to get up of their butts and fend for themselves. ”

          Not what I asked. I’ll repeat myself:
          Please tell me, how a first world country, with a strong economy can somehow be unable to manage a refugee intake which is small by international standards, but PNG with its poverty and hyper inflation somehow can.

          “One of your mates said that the only immigrants who’ve been deported are the ones from Britain and New Zealand.”

          Not what I asked. I’ll repeat myself:
          So….which is more of the threat? The person who undergoes multiple security checks, and can and will be deported if they commit serious crimes

          “Your community promotes misogyny and classism ”

          How exactly does it promote misogyny or classism? Is idiot now a class?

          “you censor any truth that doesn’t back your ideals. ”

          Whereas you ignore any truth that doesn’t back your ideal, and refuses to actually acknolwedge or work with people who are different, as that might break your demonisation.

          “Have fun being so kooky and extreme.”

          Right back at you.

          You’re old, I’m guessing, and you’re going to die soon, Bruce. And that’s not too terrible, it happens to us all, but here’s what’ shocking for you.

          You’re going to die alone. Because most people are now used to Asian immigrants, have them as friends, partners or business colleagues and like having them around. Increasingly more and more people know Muslims and know that they aren’t extremists anymore than Christians are extremists. And eventually that will happen with Afircan communities too.

          So more and more of your friend will realise that your veiws are out of touch. But they know you won’t listen, and they know they can’t have you around and have Asian, African or Muslim friends. So they either ignore you completely, or make a special time to see you, and a special time to see everyone else they care about to prevent conflict.

          And eventually making special time for a guy who just hates people he doesn’t know or understand will get tiring. And those visits will be less and less. And that’s when you die alone.

          Have fun with that!

  15. Bruce, you’re the extreme one with extreme racist views based on hear say and asylum seekers costing $60 billion a year.

    Please provide actual evidence of these claims instead of asking people to verify your lies “Asians rarely assimilate. Only a few of them will let their children marry an Australian.
    Asian businesses in Australia are often dodgy and a health risk to the public. Go do a bit of research and see for yourself.
    There are Asian uni students getting through their courses by plagiarising others’ work and paying others to do the work for them.”

  16. Now that’s Bruce has said he’s got to go, here’s a little task for us all.

    Bruce has defined someone who fits into Australian values, and who then can integrate themselves into Australian culture. Ignoring vague comments like “They need to share our values”, here are the criteria for what makes a person a good Australian:

    You need to follow and play our Australian sport (Cricket, AFL, Rugby-presumably all three).
    Wear our clothes (Having every stitch of clothing be Australian made-absolutely every item)
    Drive Australian made cars only
    Eat only Australain food (Food made and produced in Australia, and served using Australian techniques, and importantly, nothing else)
    Listen to only Australian music (Beatles are out! Damn English bands destroying our radio-we need more Bardot!)

    So that’s his definition of what a good Australian needs to be. So, here’s the task for you all.
    Can you think of anyone, anyone in the world, Australian born or not, who would actually meet his criteria of being Australian?

  17. so does Bruce check every kitchen and factory to make sure dirty Asians are not making his food.

    does he refuse service if say an Asian Australian doctor were to treat him?

    does he not shop at Myer, Kmart, David Jones, Big W, Target, car accessory places etc where most items are made in China and other low income countries?

    are all his clothes tailored and made from the highest quality Australian material. including the threads and needles (must be made in Australia by white people only).

    is his mobile phone and computer made in Australia not poor quality China?

    • It just occurred to me that just over half the people I deal with on a day to day basis, including my girlfriend, is Asian. Most of them are recent immigrants, too.

      Yet somehow, this has not had any negative impact whatsoever on my life.

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