Is there any case against same-sex marriage?

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I support the legal recognition of same-sex marriage. I have never heard anything to change my mind, but it’s not for a lack of listening. As a matter of fact, I have developed a keen ear for anti-SSM arguments, but each one is either unintelligible to me, or has a short, obvious retort with no counter-retort that I know of. Sometimes I think the arguers must have misspoken, and I try to guess what they meant to say, but that doesn’t help either.

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Same sex marriage in Sydney – our commenter has probably said it all

Peter Fraser and Gordon Stevenson decided to get married. They were married at the British Consulate in Sydney.

Fraser and Stevenson during the ceremony at the UK consulate in Sydney. Photograph: Dan Himbrechts/AAP

And a comment in The Guardian from a TAB supporter said it all

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If you’re upset by two men or women getting married, don’t go to a gay wedding. They probably won’t invite you anyway. If two men or women kissing,hugging,holding hands, etc etc, upsets you,don’t fucking look! Keep your head down and keep walking like the hate filled coward that you are

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Equal Love Unequal Hate

Dr Jim Saleam, (yes he has a rool Ph.D from the University of Sydney no less) the ageing Führer of a tiny bunch of middle-aged mentally challenged Reich re-enactors known as the Australia First Party, does not emerge from obscurity very often to comment on the doings of the far left. However, for some reason some news from far away West Australia caught his eye and his ire.

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So what was so momentous about the death of a little-known member of one of the two tiny Marxist-Leninist parties left after the old Communist movement virtually disappeared in Australia?

Why was the old despot aroused enough to be invoking the names of three of his hated ideological foes in one bilious paragraph?

Well, it was obviously the words “transgender woman“.

We were also amused to discover that Dr Jimmy  assumes that his Russian foes, despite their great ideological shortcomings, are red-blooded heterosexual men – like the image of himself  which he likes to convey –  who would mutter darkly into their vodkas at any hint that their revolutionary movement could contain such followers.

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Here is Amber’s own story as told to the Socialist Alternative zine Red Flag.

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So what’s more “beneath contempt” Jimmy – a bunch of elderly nutzis whose whole life is all about hate or a young person who while she was alive seemed to be all about love?

How to restore Australia to its former glory

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One-woman cabinet: PM Tony Abbott has announced he will take personal responsibility for women’s issues. Photo: Andrew Meares

It’s been almost two weeks since Tony Abbott stood before the nation, the proud winner of So You Think You Can Prime Minister? Now that the votes have been counted, the confetti swept up and the virginal dresses of his support crew sent off to the dry cleaners, it’s time to get down to business.

Part of what endeared Abbott to the viewers was his fondness for three word slogans that appear easy to understand but on closer inspection actually reveal nothing. And so, Tones has pledged to ‘cut the fat’, which in Prime Ministerial speak means, ‘fire a crapload of people’. Don’t worry though, they’re only public servants and everyone knows they don’t deserve jobs.

Where else would a good Prime Ministerial victor start with simplifying things but with the Ministries, with their overblown titles and ‘goal setting’? Australians don’t want all those bloody words filling up their heads. We’re a simple folk. We like beer, football and boobs in that order and we don’t care to analyse it. Tones knows this, which is why we can now proudly face the world and show off the fact we no longer have a Minister for Science, but we’ve still got one for Sport. ‘Straya!

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Personally, I don’t reckon Old Mate PM’s gone far enough on this though. Don’t get me wrong – I support cutting namby pamby portfolios about things like ‘climate change’ (more like cLIEmate change, am I right?) and ‘mental health’. In my day, people just got on with things. Sure, they may have been miserably depressed and consumed by the Darkness That Knows No Form, but they didn’t bloody well have to whinge about it all the time like a bloody whoopsie. Gay.

But I reckon there’s room to add a couple of things. You know, restore Australia to its former glory – to a time when white, heterosexual men of privilege didn’t have to be afraid to speak their minds, or apologise for giving the tea lady an affectionate swat on the bottom and telling her you like her muffins. By all means, trim the fat of wasteful rubbish like ‘saving the environment’ (you gotta build out to grow up, people!) but let’s consider honouring some of the following by giving them their own portfolios.

1. Ministry for Ironing and Cleaning

Those people who accuse Tones of not getting women need to do their bloody research, mate. Tony loves women, which is why he so famously expressed concern for how the carbon tax would drive up their electricity bills what with all that ironing we’re always doing. Oh, and you feminazis will shriek and squeal all you like, but we all know that you’re just bitter that you don’t have a man to iron shirts for. Because men and women are different, see? It doesn’t mean they’re not equal – but women are probably better suited to things like physiotherapy and housework, while men are suited to running things. That’s why the Minister for Ironing and Cleaning has to be a man – because they delegate. And they’re good with numbers, so they can help you add up all of the collars you still have left to do.

2. Ministry for Mateship

Nothing spells A-U-S-T-R-A-L-I-A better than M-A-T-E-S-H-I-P. We love our mates here, but not in that way. The Ministry for Mateship would celebrate all of the beautiful friendship that’s characterised by the good old Aussie larrikin spirit. Like masculinised mythology, and men’s only sporting leagues with their men’s only pay checks. The Ministry for Mateship recognises that part of what makes Australia great is how feverishly it embraces alcoholic male bonding. Let’s bring back foxy boxing and jelly wrestling, gentlemen’s only networking clubs and socially acceptable group sex in which there’s only one woman and no one talks to her! It’s mateship, mate. Because you can’t spell friendships without ‘pissed’.

3. Ministry for Marriage

Real marriage, I mean. Not that other ‘fashionable’ marriage. The gay kind where no one knows who’s the man or who’s the woman. How can you get married if you don’t know which one’s supposed to throw the bouquet? No, the Ministry for Marriage would make it easier [read: harder] to get out of love contracts once you’ve made the mistake of getting into them. God created marriage so that men could come home at the end of the day to a clean house and scotch, and a piping hot dinner on the table when he’s ready for it. He didn’t create marriage so that women could keep their own names and insist on working even though they’ve already achieved their life’s goal of procreating. All this freedom puts funny ideas into women’s heads, and as a delicate species they’re not properly equipped to handle the pressures of the world at large. It’s because they’re physiologically different, see. Anyway, the Ministry for Marriage would put a stop to all that rubbish. Headed up by Barnaby Joyce (who knows that marriage offers the best protection to women, against what I’m not particularly sure but that’s Barns for you), the Ministry for Marriage is the first step to fixing Australia and sending it back to the good old days of 1956.

Which is a handy coincidence, given that the newly appointed Minister for Sport is back there too, busily preparing for the upcoming Melbourne Olympics.

Good thing Abbott’s building all those roads. Cars! It’s the future!

Election special No 17 – Greens’ office vandalised by morons

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Something I want you to see-but wish didn’t exist

When I arrived at work this morning, this is what I found. Ripped up banners is one thing (they were left outside the office), but the letter left with them is something else altogether.

Reading the first line of the letter was sickening: ‘The only thing that should be authorised is your deportation 2 China”.

I have posted the letter here because – election or not – the best thing that can come out of this sort of racist, homophobic and xenophobic attack is that we speak out when it happens and expose it.

I wanted you to see it because I know that so many of us stand together each day to fight this kind of discrimination and hatred – in our local communities  and in our laws.

Whether you were born in Australia or arrived here as a migrant or refugee, whatever your sexuality or gender or religion, we all deserve to be treated equally with dignity and respect.

Racism has no place in modern Australia. Homophobia has no place in Australia. We are better than that.

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The initials at the bottom are “JF”. Such a hero. We’ll just call it “Moron”.

We managed to transcribe Moron’s scribblings below:

What should be authorised is deporting you back 2 China

Fuck your authorisation on refugee with rights the boats should be shot & sunk

Fuck bringing low life Muslims to a Christian country

Fuck you again with your authorisation with marriage equality face it it won’t happen Vx (sic) gas should rage, STD,AIDS, it will then stop

Fuck teaching our kids its OK for 2 faggots to hold hands kiss and walk down the street together

Same as to lesbians what difference would that make

Gas would work in a day

Best way to stop it

But it’s people like you, that have low self esteem, that advertise this shit

As for your banners they were all down in a few hours

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Fuck off, get out of.

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Your not wanted

Don’t you see it?

Don’t you get it?

Yes you fucking idiot we “get” what you are – a miserable snivelling worthless racist bigot with no brains, like all of your kind.

Australia needs to address its mental health problems – such as Moron “JF”.

Election special No 7 – $200 each! Coalition to fund straight couples

This election we have eagerly been awaiting yet more socially regressive policies from the major parties. This one however had slipped under the radar until the folk at Same same drew our attention to it.

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Tony Abbott’s Coalition isn’t just against giving same-sex couples the right to marry, they’re also promising they’ll give heterosexual marriages a helping hand to the tune of a $200 voucher each.

On the Australian Christian Lobby’s Australia Votes guide to the election, the Liberal National Coalition was asked: “What will your party do to encourage marriage and resilience in couple relationships?”

Here’s the surprising response: “The Coalition will provide a $200 voucher to all couples when they register their intention to marry, which will be redeemable on an approved marriage education, counselling or parenting skills service.

“Couples can use this voucher before or after their wedding to choose the service that best suits their needs, be it one which assists in developing communication skills, conflict resolution, financial management, parenting skills, or for counselling services if problems arise in a marriage.”

“The Coalition will provide a $200 voucher to all couples when they register their intention to marry.”

While the Coalition’s refusal to support marriage equality leaves same-sex families with kids out in the cold, they add: “The Coalition, if elected, will place a greater emphasis on prevention and early intervention as a means of ameliorating the negative consequences of poverty, family dysfunction and social exclusion.”

They also reiterated their stance on marriage: “The Coalition policy supports the current definition of marriage contained in the Marriage Act.”

“Any change to the policy would be a matter for the Party Room in the future, as is the case with all policies,” their response added, concluding: “Tony Abbott supports the existing definition of marriage.”

The Australian Labor Party’s policy on the increasingly uncontroversial issue is also well known, and reiterated on the ACL’s website:

“The Rudd Labor Government believes that all people are entitled to respect, dignity and the opportunity to participate fully in society regardless of their sexuality.

“When the issue of same sex marriage has previously been considered by Parliament, Federal Labor has allowed each MP and Senator a conscience vote according to their own personal views.

“This reflects the fact that people of good will can hold different positions on this fundamental matter.”

Same Same has sought confirmation from the Liberal Party on their marriage voucher policy, and will update this story if/when we hear back.

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This policy, as well as being highly discriminatory towards not only same sex couples but also to hundreds of thousands of men and women in de facto relationships, many of which are of long standing and are legally recognised to all intents and purposes as equivalent to marriage, assumes that these “marriage preparation” courses actually deliver the goods in terms of preserving relationships and lowering the rate of divorce.

However no valid objective peer-reviewed data has ever been available to support that notion

Since it is a project of the mad mullahs at the ACL, do atheists and other non-believers, or non-Christians for that matter, have to sign up?

Do celebrants have to hand out the voucher or will it be available from your local Coalition MP’s office?

And is it available for straight couples entering their second, third or subsequent marriages? Some MPs may be personally interested in that.

The Antibogan would probably prefer a new microwave. 😉

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Party for Fascism Freedumb and the pathway to fail

Nicholas Folkes and his fast-diminishing fan club, now called the Party for Freedumb or something equally dopey, are the Don Quixotes of the far right.

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Don Niqi does the stupid again

You would think that at some stage some kind person would take them aside and point out what muppets they are. But instead they keep on the same pathway to fail.

The pathway to fail in this instance was Sussex Street Sydney on Sunday 20th June outside the closed-for-the-weekend Labor Council office during World Refugee Week. And with typical strategic foresight the Pffs decided to hold their gigantic big huge awesome demo. Something about visa overstayers…?

1. on a Sunday in the middle of winter
2. in what is effectively a narrow one way street

To top it all off Sussex Street is almost in Chinatown. How the bogots must have been filled with fear to see the thousands of local and overseas Asians who flock there at weekends to sample the retail and culinary delights of nearby Haymarket.

Here is Niqi’s pathetic little hate gathering.

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Thousands Hundreds A few Muslim haters shivering outside an evil green socialist left-wing building with a blue car.

Here is the real Rally for Refugees, attracting hundreds of people held at the Town Hall on the same day and featuring well-known guest speakers.

We can tell you who featured at Sussex Street. Niqi’s new Sancho Panza, Ralphski.

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Here’s Ralphski all kitted up in hate gear. He has also come to our attention before.

Ralph also likes to contact women he doesn’t even know. That must be why he is currently desperate and dateless. Note the breathtaking sophistication of the message.

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Ah well he always has Niqi. Niqi doesn’t like women all that much either.

Now Niqi was it really fair to subject those 15 odd definitely mentally impaired racists to the horrors of multicultural Sydney with all those scary people of a different colour and all that delicious foreign food when all they want to do on a cold Sunday is to huddle at home like troo Strayans and watch people whom they think look like them on the telly?

And always the copycats, they cannot even copy-and-paste their own party correctly. Niqi has long insisted that his new Facebook group party is modelled on his hero Geert Wilders’ Freedom Party.

However there is one glaring difference. Wilders it seems has no problems with GLBTI rights and same sex marriage. Everything with his limited issue party is subsumed to the task of ridding the Netherlands and Europe of “teh_mooslems”.

By contrast Niqi’s PFF party is all over the shop with “policies” on everything grabbed from a motley array of far right sewers including Fred Nile’s Christian Democrats, Niqi’s former home the Australian Pathetic Party, the League of Rights, One Nation… you get the picture?

We won’t bore you with a link but if you want to have a laugh just Google “Party for Freedom”.

Niqi has also been somewhat out of favour with certain other nutzis because he has an Asian wife – despite his well-publicised vilification of Filipino women and his championing of white exceptionalism.

You can read all about it here

And here’s a demo evaluation from some senior sources in the Pff

Some Muslim haters spin some yarns

Some Muslim haters spin some yarns

The Beige Shirts wrestle yet again with same sex marriage

Recently the beige shirts of Niqi “Niqab” Folkes’ rump Facebook group had a fervent discussion about same sex marriage, in the light of the New Zealand Government’s vote in favour of legalising it.

Let’s kick off with moral compass “Crag Dane” AKA Greg Deane, supposedly a private English tutor with an interest in educating young Asian women.

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Here he is ladies – don’t swoon too hard.

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Says the bloke with the priapic Aubrey Beardsley drawing as his profile pic. Wishful thinking there “Crag”.

And here’s the two who “liked” the old guy’s post.

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Fake “John Vincent” rattles around like a demented wind-up toy, followed by Niqi shyly emerging from his burqa to discuss agriculture. He is followed by Martin Donohoe who then pretends he knows something about women and in doing so accidentally reveals his own deep yearnings.

You remember Martin of course from here where he was urging the bombing of mosques.

Just shows you what a wide range of interests these twits have.

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The APP grapples sweatily with same-sex marriage

“No Sex Please We’re Bogots” – Special X rated edition

Nenad Nele Arcaba Hates the Gays on Facebook

Just when we thought homophobia was receding back into the murky swamp of hate…

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Could any of the ople (sic) i have on facebook , friends or not tht r gay please delete me now… before i start going on a gay hunting spree to massacre u lunatics like the naciz (sic) did to the Jews in ww2.! Gays, Lezboz, Rapists, pedofiles, cunts tht abuse children or woman etc…. if i had a present to give you it would b by doing u a faovur (sic) and in the worst way takind (sic) ur life away.

And here’s Nenad.

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We were alerted to this individual by someone who sent us a link from this blog.

Blogger Bruce says:

What do you say to a guy on Facebook who says this…

What indeed?

…apart from showing him how to spell check? Best you could do is give him a bucket to vomit in. Others thought it was a good idea to give him some education.

It’s good to see this type of homophobic rant being met head on by others. Just look at some of the responses:

(Now this story has sort of a happy ending because not all Nenad’s friends are as homophobic and downright immature as he is. Here are some of the comments as collected by Bruce.)

Being gay isn’t a disease lol

I dont get why it matters so much to you, they’re living their life and you’re living yours, everybody’s happy.

Nennad but were not in Europe were in a free democratic country. I pray you get some humanity soon. xxx

Just wondering, if australia was to ban gays, where does it stop? What’s to stop the govt from saying “I dont like the way that asian guy looked at me, all asians are to be deported out of the country or face death”. Hatred begets more hatred, once it starts there is no stopping it.

Making comments like that (the guy above) is just inappropriate and completely unnecessary. I don’t even know how u can call yourself a christian and make such stupid statements

You posted hate about a group of people. You said gays are pedophiles which shows you are largely uneducated, misguided and mislead in any actual truths and facts about homosexuality. Homosexuality is not a choice, not a disease, and there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. If you care so much and are disgusted (or discusted as you posted) then you are the one that has the disease, the problem, intolerance and are contributing to the hatred in the world. Gays, lesbians, bisexuals etc are normal people like straight people who happen to like the same sex and/or both sexes if bisexual. Its not hard to become educated and informed on that. Homophobia is the only disease and unfortunately refusing to see nothing is wrong with gay and lesbians makes you the ass hole. I spit on your entire existance.

Bruce writes:

It wasn’t long before he took down the post, or perhaps enough reports were made to Facebook and they took it down. I’ve since heard reports that the Federal Police have been informed. And rightly so. As if it wasn’t bad enough to vilify a whole gaggle of gays, but then to threaten to go on a ‘gay hunting spree to massacre’ is really quite revolting and a serious threat from a young man who may well be capable of carrying out such threats.

For those who ask why do we need marriage equality in Australia. Here is why. Because some of those born in 1991 still think that there is something not normal about sections of our community.

Congratulations to all who had a chance to deliver this guy some feedback.

And congratulations to Bruce Llama and to Nenad’s friends who managed to shake some sense into him.

Here’s the page before it was removed: 20130226 Facebook hate

See this and  more at: Bruce Llama