Response to David Harrison

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Here is the viral email that this dropkick sent around the Internet:

http://acrsl1.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/letter-sent-to-prime-minister-julia-gillard/

http://australianidentity.net/general-discussion/a-email-i-got/

And here is our reply:

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Dear David (Butch) Harrison,

I’d like to take this opportunity to reply on behalf of Prime Minister Julia Gillard, and also on behalf of all rational, intelligent Aussies who actually read through your brain hemorrhage of a letter.

You started your manifesto expressing your ‘concerns’ about ‘muslim (sic) asylum seekers/refugees/illegal immigrants’. In response:

a) An asylum seeker is a person who has fled their own country and applies to the government of another country for protection as a refugee.
According to the United Nations Convention and Protocol relating to the Status of Refugees (the Refugee Convention), a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their:

  • race
  • religion
  • nationality
  • membership of a particular social group
  • political opinion.

The term ‘asylum seekers’ refers to all people who apply for refugee protection, whether or not they are officially determined to be refugees.
The vast majority of people seeking asylum in Australia arrive by plane:

    • 95% of asylum seekers arriving by boat are found to be genuine refugees
    • Just 3441 asylum seekers were given refugee status in Australia last year, roughly 1% of the total migration program for that year.
    • In comparison, around 50,000 people over-stayed their visa last year alone – mostly people with business, student or holiday visas
    • Australia only accepts 1% of the world’s refugees
    • At the current rate of refugee arrivals, it would take 20 years to fill the MCG
    • It is not illegal to arrive in Australia seeking asylum.

Asylum seekers are coming from all over the world and are not just Muslims. And one of the main reasons that over 95% of sea-bound asylum seekers are found to be genuine refugees is because they are fleeing the very people you are afraid of, David. The real terrorists. Those who are, along with occupying forces, killing people and dictating inhumane laws and forcing people to flee their home countries at extreme risk to themselves and their families. People genuinely want to get away from that. And because Australia is a signatory onto the UNHCR 1951 Refugee Convention – asylum seekers and refugees are NOT ILLEGAL. It doesn’t matter if they are Muslim or Tamil or Hindu or Buddhist or Christian or Atheist or if they came by boat or by plane or by digging underneath the ground for thousands of kilometers – they are NOT illegal.

Now David, while I struggled to refrain from punching the computer screen in while reading your car-accident style discourse, I would like to express my gratitude for your services in Vietnam. And I don’t doubt for a minute that you don’t love your country. But neither of these are even close to being excuses for your extreme ignorance and lack of coherent reasoning.

You said you have posted your diatribe on the noticeboard at the Frankston RSL, and that you would post Prime Minister Gillard’s response. I certainly hope that my response rates the same level of publicity for the decent members of that RSL, as I’m sure there are a few people who find you to be a loud-mouthed bigot and merely nod their heads and agree with you whenever you open your gob, simply because they can’t be bothered entering into a debate with such an idiot.

You’ve said that Muslims in Australia want Islamic states and that they want to live under ‘their own laws and rules’. You’ve said that they are killing every man, woman, child and even baby that stands in their way.

Muslims have lived in Australia for over a century, and have made no substantial, observable, influential move to install any Islamic law, nor have any Muslim political parties or movements made any movements to undermine any democratic process or legislation in our country. After over a century of having the freedom to live in Australia, 41 years of which had uncapped immigration levels after the abandonment of the White Australia Policy, Muslims currently number at less than 3% of the Australian population, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).

As such, there have been many key figures who have stated their unjustified fear of Australian Muslims and insatiable desire for them to all be deported or killed, or at least stripped of Australian democratic rights, (Hanson, Jones, Hadley, Price, Bolt, Devine, Akerman, Bernardi, Howard, Costello and Barker to name a few), and yet none of them have been killed, nor have any of them faced anything more than criticism from the ranks of Australian Islamic groups.

You’ve used Dandenong as an example of a place in Australia where Muslims apparently dictate whether or not schools can celebrate Christmas and Easter. Yet after contacting Dandenong High School, Greenslopes Primary School, Dandenong West Pre-School, Emerson School, St Gerard’s Primary School, Yarraman Park Primary School, Dandenong North Pre-School, Dandenong Valley School, Heritage Pre-School, Mount Dandenong Primary School, Shalimar Park Pre-School, Mount Dandenong Pre-School and Dandenong South Pre-School, none said that they had banned Christmas decorations or songs, and none said that they had prevented or punished students or families wishing to participate in such events.

You then used the example of Coburg West Primary School’s decision to serve halal sausages at a welcome-back BBQ.  What you failed to do was to contact the school for more details. And what you failed to mention was that only a few parents actually complained. One said this: “It’s not fair on my children that they can’t eat at the school.” What a load of garbage. Halal tastes exactly the same, and anyone can eat it. And while the xenophobes insist that halal meat is inhumanely prepared, the majority of us do our research. Why do you think there hasn’t been a nation-wide boycott of halal? After all, it’s only an option that is in place to be more inclusive to a mere 3% of our population.

And you continued with your bumbling rant: “Your Centre Link (sic) and other government departments are banning Christmas decorations…”. Well no, that’s just not true. What you might be referring to is the Department of Education memo that went out to all DET staff suggesting that they consider additional ways to celebrate the end of the school year, rather than just focus on Christmas. If you did your research, David, you would understand that this in no way constitutes a ‘ban’ on Christmas decorations.

At this point, it would have been easy for Gillard’s media representatives to dismiss you as a tin-foil-hat wearing lunatic, tossing your rambling letter into the recycling bin. But the halfway point of your brain-rape is no deterrent for me.

You continued, in your undoubtedly drunken stupor, to imply that Australia only accepts migrants from Northern Sudan, and not Southern Sudan, and that people from Northern Sudan have only come here to get pregnant and claim the baby bonus. Firstly, neither statement is true. Secondly, I reckon I could walk around your precious Frankston RSL and find at least a handful of blokes who have cleaned up a couple of paychecks from our Government simply by making deposits in their girlfriends’ clown-car vaginas. Generalising makes you look stupid, David.

You suggested that rather than act in a humanitarian way to asylum seekers, we should whack them on planes to return to their home countries, and to almost certain deaths. You say this because

  • these people have only come here to bomb us, and;
    we spend millions of dollars keeping them in detention.

Firstly, do you honestly think that a person is going to want to bomb a country that has opened its doors to them after they’ve fled a war-zone where their families were killed? Do you honestly think that a person is going to want to bomb a country that has provided them with decent healthcare, an education and the opportunity to earn a living and build a life? Do you honestly think that people are born with the desire to bomb countries in their DNA? And secondly, Australia accepted 3441 asylum seekers last year (which equates to roughly 1% of the world’s refugee intake). International flights cost around $400 – $1000 each. That’s a couple of million dollars spent on flying people around the world, when they could be living here in Australia, buying things from our shops, paying taxes to our Government, working in our economy and getting an education they wouldn’t have dreamed of back in their home country/s.

Did you know that Australia currently spends over $10 billion per year on border security? Ten years ago, Australia was spending around $1 billion per year. And all this to prevent 3000 asylum seekers. Not even enough to fill the Sydney Entertainment Centre. And you do realise we already have over 300,000 of those horrible Muslim terrorists living here, right? And they’ve been living here for ages! A large majority have been here before, during and after the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States. Yet none of them have got on trains or buses or planes in Australia and blown themselves up. With tensions the highest they’ve ever been, and the world’s attention given to them on a platter, not one of the 300,000+ Muslims in Australia can even be bothered setting off some fireworks in a shopping centre.

You asked what value Muslims added to Australia, and you added that they:

Don’t want to call Australia home – yes they do, and they do;
Don’t accept our Christian culture – well shucks, neither do I, as an atheist. And Australia is a secular country, which means that we have freedom of religion. In addition to that, many Muslims I know celebrate Christmas!
Don’t want to speak English – yes they do, it’s for their benefit. Research shows that the overwhelming majority of those who cannot speak English in Australia are first generation migrants (those who have arrived here and were not born here). And they are given free English lessons. And their children go through our education system where learning/knowing English is mandatory;
Don’t want to abide by our laws – the large majority of them do. And people from all backgrounds commit criminal acts in Australia. Not just Muslims;
Don’t want to integrate – well, the only ones who don’t want to probably feel completely shunned by people like yourself, David. The rest have no issue with living here and being a part of Australia’s multicultural society;
Don’t want to go to our schools – well they do. Even those who choose to go to Islamic schools are going to our schools. They are run within our education system, meaning that in regards to all subjects other than religion, they learn exactly what every other child in their state is learning. All children end up sitting the HSC, David;
Don’t want to play sport – ah that’s crap. Do you know how many kids I grew up with that idolised Hazem El Masri?

David – you said that you were watching the TV footage of the Queensland flood cleanup and didn’t see any Muslims or Sudanese people helping. Funny that, because Muslims and Sudanese people also lost their homes and properties during those floods. The waters didn’t part around their belongings, leaving them high and dry, no. The floods affected 3 out of every 4 Queenslanders. Of the 300,000+ Muslims living in Australia, only 5% of those are living in Queensland. So in Queensland, there are only about 15,000 – 20,000 Muslims. The Queensland Population Counter has the QLD population calculated at 4,579,210. So in Queensland, Muslims make up 0.32% of the entire population.

At this point of your raging tyrade, you demand questions of the Gillard government, so I’m not going to address them. But I’d encourage you to do your own research, as I found answers for eight of your twelve questions just by searching the Internet.

Finally, David, your Centrelink information that you tacked onto the bottom of your letter (after copy-pasting it from some tired, made-up email forward) is completely incorrect. You claimed that Aged Pensioners in Australia receive $16,068.00 per year, compared to ‘ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES’, who receive $56,680.00 per year. Wrong:

Myth: Refugees can receive social security payments simply because they are refugees.
Fact: A refugee who has permanent residency in Australia receives exactly the same social security benefit as any Australian-born person in the same circumstances. Refugees apply for social security through Centrelink like everyone else and are assessed for the different payment options in the same way as everyone else. There are no separate Centrelink allowances that one can receive simply by virtue of being a refugee, nor do refugees receive cash payments under either the Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy (IHSS) or the Settlement Grants Program (SGP).
Myth: A single refugee receives $1458 more per month than an age pensioner.
Fact: A single person applying for Special Benefit or the Newstart Allowance (whether or not he or she is a refugee) will receive $456 per fortnight, whereas a single person on an Age Pension payment will receive a fortnightly payment of $671.90. A single age pensioner therefore receives over $200 more per fortnight more than a single refugee (or a single Australian-born person) who qualifies for Special Benefit or Newstart – not $1458 per month less, as claimed in the first hoax email. Australian citizens and permanent residents with dependent children on lower to middle incomes (including refugees) may also be eligible to receive Family Tax Benefits or Parenting Payments, however none of these allowances are paid at a higher rate than the single age pension.
Myth: Refugees receive higher rates of payment under Centrelink programs than age pensioners or other Australians.
Fact: Centrelink payments are calculated at exactly the same rate for both refugees and non-refugees (for instance, a single Australian-born person and a single refugee on the Newstart allowance would both receive exactly the same fortnightly payment of $456). The hoax e-mail which claims that illegal immigrants and refugees receive higher rates of payment than age pensioners under a number of Centrelink programs, including the Partner Allowance and the Hardship Allowance, quotes figures which are grossly inaccurate. For instance, a single person on an Age Pension payment receives a fortnightly payment of $671.90, not $253 as claimed in the email, and the maximum payment for the Partner Allowance is $411.50, not $472.50.
Myth: Asylum seekers can receive Centrelink payments.
Fact: Asylum seekers are not entitled to the same forms of financial support as citizens or permanent residents. The Asylum Seeker Assistance (ASA) Scheme provides assistance to eligible asylum seekers who are in the process of having their refugee status determined. The ASA Scheme offers income support to cover basic living expenses, paid at 89 per cent of the Centrelink Special Benefit. This would equal approximately $405.84 per fortnight for a single asylum seeker – over $260 less than the single age pension.
Myth: Illegal immigrants can receive Centrelink payments.
Fact: In general, only Australian citizens and permanent residents can receive social security payments from Centrelink and illegal immigrants would certainly not be entitled to such support. It is also factually incorrect to refer to either refugees or asylum seekers as “illegal immigrants”. Recognised refugees in Australia by definition hold either a Refugee Visa or a Protection Visa, both of which entitle the holder to permanent residency. Asylum seekers – regardless of how they arrive in Australia – are permitted under Australian and international law to enter Australia for the purpose of seeking asylum, therefore asylum seekers have not broken any law and should not be referred to as illegal immigrants.
Statements about the hoax emails have been issued by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship and the Minister for Human Services. These statements can be viewed at the following URLs:


http://www.immi.gov.au/media/letters/letters09/le090507.htm


http://www.alp.org.au/media/0608/mshs180.php


Payment rates for the Age Pension can be viewed here: 


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/age_rates.htm


Payment rates for the Newstart Allowance can be viewed here (note that Special Benefit is usually calculated at the same rate as Newstart):


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/newstart.htm


Payment rates for Family Tax Benefits and Parenting Payments can be viewed at the following URLs:


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/ftb_a_rates.htm


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/ftb_b_rates.htm


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/parenting_rates.htm


Payment rates for the Partner Allowance can be viewed here: 


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/partner_rates.htm


Information on Hardship payments can be viewed here:


http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/publications/fis013.htm


Information on the IHSS, the SGP and the ASA Scheme can be found at the following URLs:


http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/66ihss.htm 


http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/92funding.htm 


http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm


http://www.redcross.org.au/ourservices_aroundtheworld_tracingrefugeeservices_ASAS.htm
David, I’ve spent an hour of my life replying to your junk mail that I will never get back. People like you make me sick. You are ignorant, and the primary target of the sensationalist mainstream media. You have no clue about the world around you, and more specifically, minimal understanding about the country you live in. You are more happy to forward a few emails around, stoking the fires of bigotry and propaganda than you are to do your own research and form your own opinion. Just because you’re frightened of people who look different to you doesn’t give you the right to push bullshit like this around the cybersphere. Just because you are a war veteran doesn’t give you the right to shoot your mouth off like a drunken neanderthal.

If you’d like to reply to me directly, email me: theantibogan@gmail.com – or better yet – pop along to my website that I run with a few other people who hate racists like you:

http://www.theantibogan.wordpress.com

203 thoughts on “Response to David Harrison”

  1. holy cow…..that my dear friend has been the best reading I have done in 2 years….!! Thank you

  3. Seems like someone has collated all the misconceptions and bullshit that floats around the internet about asylum seekers into one dipshit letter. Even more hilarious is the commentor below (supposedly a French person) complaining that a person died from lack of hygiene eating from a fast food chain only serving halal. It just pisses me off when people OUTRIGHT LIE about stuff that happens to justify their bigotry.

  5. Anyone living close enough to the Frankston RSL club should print this out and put next to David’s letter on the noticeboard. after all he wanted a reply to his e-mail 😐

  9. Great response but I think that it’s wasted on the witless morons like David Harrison.
    The only thing that I can fault is that Mount Dandenong Primary School is not actually in Dandenong but is in Mount Dandenong.

  10. T.A.B. you are AWESOME!!!!

    might I also add….Asylum seekers are put in detentions centres and basically forgotten about. They get angry and to get notice stage hunger strikes, suicide and arson. These people NEED to work not be locked up in a prison. Most often they still have family to support in their home countries that NEED food, water, clothing etc. and being locked up for 2 years is torturous. We need to be asking the government – Why does it take so long to process asylum seekers?

    • Seeing this website consider me a Racist because I wrote to email that was forwarded to me in first place……
      But tell you what when you and this website findout the reason, behind keeping people locked up for that time period and longer which is at your expense as Tax Payer please let me Know, people who are in jail for a crime dont wait that long to go before the courts…neither should Asylum seeker.
      Also please at the same time findout the reason why people that are already here can take far longer to get there family member into Australia, because you see I know some family that have waited far more than 2 yrs and fact know some that had there applicantion cancelled because of Labor government changes in policy and have lost thousand of dollar in agent fee.
      So for Man who is accused by this website as being a Racist.. please let know when you get your answer.. because I sure haven’t been able too.. all I ever got was government Bullsh…t
      guess i should sign it the Racist pig that suppose to be…..

  11. thank you…seriously the general government and community response to asylum seekers sickens me to the point of not being able to articulate my rage…now i have at hand an instant response.

  12. WORD. UP!. ….that was such an educated, articulated and in your face response. I could not have said it better myself…I got goosebumps…. Peace x

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  16. Are David Douchebag and his mates who supposedly hate the Government so much going to return the $900 stimulus they received from the Rudd Government during the GFC?

    No, didn’t think so…

  17. Bravo. Very well written. How about sending it to open-pages in some newspapers or news websites? This needs to go viral.

  18. Gosh that was silly, it sounded like a Scott rant, although admittedly with less capitals and….’s etc. Stoopid, the forced to eat halal meat thing is ridiculous, what do they think it is? Ever eaten a kebab? Good chance you’ve eaten halal then, Gah Good on ya TAB 🙂

  20. lols posted your response to the first of those pages, lets see if it lasts

    I cant believe that so many people fall for this type of abhorrent bullshit, its pure infectious hate that should be quarantined and treated with a large dose of real information until cured. Vile hate-filled people.

  21. A response to the email, by Barry Fletcher (bdfletch@hotmail.com):
    What a fucking idiot.

    ———————–

    “Dear ??? WHAT YOR NAME,

    Like so many people who like to write and attack other people point of view whether it be correct or not you failed to sign it
    unless I’m very much mistaken after reading your reply, you are more than welcome to correct me , but if you do reply
    then suggect you sign your name rather than hide behind a website name..

    Now firstly before you get all hot under collar and calling me a Pig Racist… let me pointout to you firstly am Vietnam Veteran
    and take offence to making referance in your reply to him, as all the past and serving member of the armed force.. give you that freedom
    to speak and write as you so wish, and they not only gave up there lives but carried the scares of war to day they die.. so please
    in future dont make any form of referance to any servicemen, when you want to attack another person comments..

    I’m sure already you thinking here another Racist, so let me pointout to you that Married to Beautiful asia women now for almost 30 yrs
    I have 2 stepdaughter and we have two of our own, do you know they are all my daughter not daughter and stepdaughter, also
    by first marriage one OF my daughter has children that are islanders… so pleaseee dont use that word Racist just because they speakout
    about Muslin or other cultures.. oh might add i even have some gay friends and dont treat them any differant.

    David Harrison, is free to express his opinion just as much as you have, his mistake is not doing his research in to all those issue that
    mentioned, but in part he is correct.. yes here in australia Muslin have lived as proud australian as they have in UK and france etc…

    Question is what do you really know about muslim culture outside of australia, and how you would be treated in there home country
    you should first live in those countries and fully understand they have no respect for any other religion/ culture but there own
    as for treatment of women… you should research that further as I have and spoken to Muslim women about why they cover there face etc
    think you would be very surprised ….at your finding if you do some research.

    Perhaps you should also look at how are they able to fund.. getting on boats being the little they earn in those country.. who do you think
    funds them ??? I dont TRULY know , But i do know how the crimes and pimps etc got out Nam you should look around you.. what can tell you have
    lived and travelled in Muslim countries…. as for sending people back.. yep agree with that 100%.. as to why because ther are just as many people in all of those country,
    who are in the same situation and have also the god given right to come to Australian.. the differance is they wish to do it in a legal manner.. not illegal
    manner and these people are prepared to brake our laws.. which means they have no respect for australia law….. I know already area that are more or less
    controlled by sudanese and muslim and thats fact not fiction right here in australia its happening.

    What I don’t want to see in australian in future is what happening UK ,france, holland, denmark, etc .. want my daughter to be safe to walk around the street
    and for everybody to feel free to speak out and not be scared that they are going to be attacked by gang in future.. that we could now perhaps stop if we
    stop worrying what the other countries think, this is our country and really dont care what the UN think etc … yes let people apply legally and come here legally
    the rest get shipped back to where they came from…. to apply legally… as australia am tired of bending over and hearing these illegal people are in danger if they go back..

    Enclosing, perhap think why did reply directly to you, it not because defending or even share anything he said.. my regret is he didn’t go and do research before he
    wrote his email and perhaps you also need to first serve your country before get on your high horse and also live in those countries as I have and mixed within there
    culture as far as I’m concerned every person can share his or her thoughs free’ly.

    Like said if wish to reply directly to me, then sign it.. otherwise I will just delete as rubbish.. so freedom of speech is great… but everybody should have the guts to
    sign it.. and if you think I’m Racist, THEN HAVE NOTHING BUT PITY FOR YOU .

    Regards Barry fLETCHER”

    • Aaaaand the reply:

      The Anti Bogan, to barry

      show details 1:15 PM (0 minutes ago)

      Hi there Feltch,

      1. Signing my email off with a link to my website and not my real name does not retract from the points raised in the email. My response absolutely shit all over David’s original email and I don’t want people thinking I’m trying to take the credit for it.
      2. You’re a Vietnam Veteran. Big fucking congratulations. I don’t give a shit. I am grateful for the work our diggers do, and have done, all over the world. It gives NONE of them the right to slag off their ignorant hatred in the public cybersphere.
      3. Note: being married to ‘Beautiful (sic) asia (sic) women (sic)’ and having ‘islanders (sic)’ in the family doesn’t clear you of racism. Your logic (and use of the English language) are pathetic.
      4. David Harrison is free to express his opinion, and people are free to oppose it and expose it for the shit that it is.
      5. The email was about Australian Muslims – NOT countries where Islam is the only religion, nor was it about countries that are run by dictatorships, militia, terrorist organisations or corrupt inhumane governments.
      6. Australian Muslims treat women with the utmost respect. And until you’ve met Muslims in another country, DON’T try and tar all Muslims with the same brush simply because there are some Muslim men who are antagonistically patriarchal. We have non-Muslim men like that in Australia as well…
      7. The question isn’t how people get on the boats, but why. As for the how, they generally pool their resources (by selling off what they own), and generally are forced to leave their families (women and children) behind as they try to forge a new life in a new country before sending for them. That means that women and children are far more vulnerable in countries where asylum seekers are fleeing from.
      8. Asylum seekers and refugees are NOT illegal in Australia, as Australia is a signatory on the 1951 UN Refugee Convention. How old are you anyway, Grandpa? How is that you’re this thick?
      9. Yes. Sudanese people and Muslims live in Australia. Being Sudanese and/or Muslim doesn’t make a person more likely to be a criminal. Social, educational and economical factors dictate whether a person turns to crime or not. NOT their religion or ethnicity.
      10. Your daughter might be raped by a drunken white Aussie one day. Careful how you generalise, dickhead. MEN rape women. MEN from all different kinds of backgrounds.
      11. Delete this if you want. You can say it’s because I didn’t sign my name. But I’ll really know it’s because you lack the intelligence and the understanding to respond rationally.

      See ya round, fuckwit.

      Theantibogan

      • agree tab what a load of nonsense, i have the utmost respect for our diggers, its the idiots mouthing off racist bs that rile me. How dare those few that mar the rest who are decent people who have sacrificed loads for not just us aussies but for others to live in peace, they deserve to be pulled up and exposed for being racist horrible idiots.

        • bah so angered i made some funky errors.. walk away from the computer Jorji and take a good look around at the wonderful people who do not support racist crap

    • Enclosing [sic], perhap [sic] think why did reply directly to you, it [sic] not because defending or even share anything he said

      In closing I think that Barry needs a good dose of reality combined with a large serving of common sense. Yes its hard to get every sentence right when your annoyed, but this entire reply is terrible.

      • Yes you are correct i replied directly to the person as a one on one Email, because I do not support Racism neither do like people dragging me as Vet into his or her point of view..thats what offended me and thats the reason it was sent as direct email. Do I care that it was posted.. no.. its just pity she did’nt post her full personnal reply…have to yet understand why people have to be so foul mouthed in one reply and unlady like, yes will not disagree my written english skill perhaps are not the best, but you know what .. I dont go putting other people down for any reason..I made sure my children all got good education which was something I wasn’t able to obtain during those school years… but yet I learnt a trade and was never out of work….
        But if you think i support Racism.. then you are a fool because you dont have any idea what volunteer work that have been and currently involved in… The fact that mention about sending illegal refugee back by plane… does not say I support RACISM…… the word I used was ILLEGAL ok do you understand now
        its ILLEGAL . aslo my remarks about Muslim was not directed here it was directed world wide, I do not like the way Muslin women are treated.. I have spent time, living in Muslim countries and to see the men walking around in pair of short and t’shirt and the women covered from head to toes in 100 degreE heat…greatly offend me… if you agree with that, then I’m sorry for you……….
        Am also getting tired of the use of the word Racism ever timel somebody has something to say… Do i get offended by the remarks I’ve read Nooo,… but if you want to help change the world, come and join me sometime when I’m in asia helping as volunteer in outreach programs for the poor bulding school and houses… THEN COME BACK AND WRITE I SUPPORT RACISM.

        • GEEEEEEEE your educated clown I say again ILLEGAL,so what is it you dont understand about the word ???? SO WHY DO YOU KEEP ADDING THE WORD … ASYLUM SEEKER ITS TWO WORDS IT NOT ILLEGALASYLUM ….. ….the trouble with you is your too mixed up in Racism and hate to know the differance… and if dont already know then not going to waste my time trying to tell you the differance OK…

        • you can call it illegal all you want, you can even say it in caps, however it is not illegal to seek asylum here. It is a pretty simple concept and one set up after rather horrifying circumstances, that we fought against. We signed up to the convention because its the right thing to do.

          God forbid you ever have to flee anywhere or send your family overseas and rely on others compassion

        • please pointout where I said it was illegal to seek asylum in Australia by legal mean which very many people have and are proud australia now and there manymore around the world waiting to be settled in australia….
          please dont bring up U.N Convention as I’ve read it, and just wish had it in front of me, because in fact there is part in that convention, that could just as easy send all of those boat people back if we as australia took it word for word…
          as for your remarks.. God Forbid.. well you know what I’ve been and lived in those contries and seen with my own eyes.. have you ?, have you ever see person just shot because they where Muslin or christian….. just get it right I said illegal.. so what do you want to do if person found not to be refugee but is in fact a murderer etc and is
          pretending to be Asylum seeker.. love to know your answer…. so you wont call that person Illegal
          and you want him to remain ???

        • “please pointout where I said it was illegal to seek asylum in Australia ”

          ok!

          “I say again ILLEGAL,so what is it you dont understand about the word ????”

          “so what do you want to do if person found not to be refugee but is in fact a murderer etc and is
          pretending to be Asylum seeker.. love to know your answer…. so you wont call that person Illegal
          and you want him to remain ???”

          ok so your now asking about an asylum seeker who has had their claim assessed and failed to meet the test. They are still not illegal, they had every right to ask, but they have not met the rules and regulations so big surprise they are not accepted into the country, and are sent back, which is what happens now.

          It would be great though if we could speed up the checks so that children, in particular but also everyone else, are not forced into these damaging situations for extended periods of time (and yes I have seen what this does to children and it is NOT humane and we will have to provide an awful lot of very expensive counselling to try and mitigate that damage)

          you still haven’t answered the question though: what would you do if you had to flee? would you wait in some imaginary line or would you do anything to save any one of your family members?

        • jorji read your reply, we agree on some points yes why does it take the government so long and yes young children are exposed to all kinds of danger while being locked up so what are you doing to help change that…… why not go to places where you can help change things and quality of live, I do.
          .now you say person who doesn’t meet all the requirement as asylum seeker is not illegal, then what is he or she ?? as people who are overstaying there visa are classed as illegal.. … sorry you cant have it both way… you asked what I would do if had to flee my country, welll just like many other I would flee to refugee camp under protection of the U.N… do you really think that these people that come her by boat and paid the amount of money they pay not only to get on the boat but all the other money they have to pay under the table to be allowed to pass though countries to get to point they can get on boat are all really and truly Asylum seekers , those people are the one I’m more concerned about.. the really true refugee or Asylum seeker be lucky to have any funds to get on boat… As i said before we have alot of Asylum seeker in australia now that have passed though refugee camps under the control of the U.N. etc and might add are now good australian… so let not get the two issue confused… am sorry I just dont believe a person who get on boat, has more rights to jump in front of those refugee in camps overseas, as they also risked there lives etc….. like said we agree on some point and other we don’t and do you know what that what make our country great… one has the right to share one opinion without the risk of being shoot or locked up…. am sorry will never agree to opening the flood gate to people just because they got to our shore by boat ahead of those in refugee camps all around the world who also risked there lifes.. As hard and as cruel as it may sound, if only a few of these boat load of people where put on plane soon as they land and taken back to there country or one close bye that has a refugee camp.. it would’nt take very long to put stop to these people that get rich outof boat trade.. its only because we are australian we dont.

        • wowwwwwwwww So you once again are showing you are not a lady what pity.. so that the best you can do… so you spent years getting a degree just to learn to say that wowwwwwwww get life and stop hating everybody that doesn’t agree fully with you…

          Me Racist what Rubbish, Im starting to think you are one in differant Form and wonder which is the more dangerous, you or them…

    • I personally don’t know any Vietnam Vets, 2 of my grandparents died before I was one & the other two weren’t in the military.
      But I’ve read two e-mails written by two different Vietnam Vets & if that is an indication to go by? Vietnam Vets didn’t seem to have needed any decent literacy skills.

      David was articulate & showed some prowess in constructing sentences, but Barry Fletcher? OMG! I can’t understand half of what he was trying to say.

      I sincerely hope this isn’t an indication of most Vietnam and/or other war veterans 😦

        • Most conscripts were probably better educated than regular soldiers; some had uni degrees, although that would not guarantee they can spell or write correct grammar.
          Btw, rather than ‘play the man’ and attack either Barry or David personally, it is better to attack their opinions or attitudes which are the essence of this argument.

    • Well done barry, ,as many people have stated, it is not illegal to seek asylum in Australia, however it is illeagal to arrive by people smugglers.

      However, I now post the from UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION AND PROTOCOLS RELATING TO THE STATUS OF REFUGEES 1967

      “Article 31
      Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee

      1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
      illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
      where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
      are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
      themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
      illegal entry or presence.”

      Now I refer to the word “DIRECTLY” these boat arrivals do not arrive directly from their original country they leave from Indonesia and thus not “coming directly from a territory
      where their life or freedom was threatened” and therefore they breach Article 31 and therefore are not refugees.

      • have you seen the shit conditions in indonesia? wouldnt their freedom thus be contravened? wouldnt then they have good cause to escape?

        also, that quote you lifted says nothing about people smugglers.

        • Chris, True, it doesnt say anything about people smugglers, and i also agree that “boat people” are a small minority of “asylum seekers”.

          most of the asylum seekers come by plane, and therefore have idenity documents.
          Under Australian Law, people smuggling is a criminal act, also, helping someone commit the offence is an offence in it self paying someone to commit the offence is treated as though you have commited the offence yourself.

          for instance, paying a hitman to kill someone, the hitman can be charged with murder so can the person that paid them.

          So
          People smugglers are and should be charged with people smuggling, then the people that commission the people smugglers to smuggle them should also be charged with the same offence.

          If they did not pay the people smugglers, then no offence has been committed, as others have said, it is not illegal to seek asylum but it is illegal to use people smugglers to do it

        • Click to access AsylumFacts.pdf

          wrong. note pages 2 and 3.

          “The UNHCR emphasises that a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution should be viewed as a refugee and not be labelled an ‘illegal immigrant’ as the very nature of persecution means that their only means of escape may be via illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.”

          note ‘illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.’. therefore, arriving by boat is not a crime, if their refugee status is verified. unhcr says it, the australian parliament supports it.

          ‘There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa.’

          similarly, this states that arriving with no documents is not a crime.

          ‘for instance, paying a hitman to kill someone, the hitman can be charged with murder so can the person that paid them.’

          i highly doubt a refugee fleeing for his life using any means necessary can be compared to someone placing a hit.

          ‘it is not illegal to seek asylum but it is illegal to use people smugglers to do it’

          according to the document i have provided, not so.

        • also note pages 8 and 10, which state respectively that
          ‘Past figures show that between 70 and 97 per cent of asylum seekers arriving by boat at different times have been found to be refugees and granted protection either in Australia or in another country.’

          and

          ‘asylum claims from people who enter Australia by air on a valid visa and subsequently apply for asylum have not had such high success rates and the majority are not found to be refugees. This is demonstrated by the lower protection visa grant rates for non-IMAs (air arrivals) of around 40
          per cent annually.’

          simply put, this means that boat people, using people smugglers or not, are actually more likely than legal asylum seekers to be genuine refugees.

    • Serving one’s country isn’t just reserved for military people Barry, there are people in public service, medicine and research, volunteer work of many types (mine was fire brigade and ambulance service + 7 years for Telecom/Telstra, for which I actually got an Australian Government Service Medal). People serve their country in many quiet and unassuming ways from being taxpayers where money is used for the good and benefit of all, when people thank you for your service don’t confuse that for thinking they appreciated your participating in a war of aggression, they appreciated the fact you showed some fortitude to do as you were directed without fear or favour. Not agreeing with a war or conflict doesn’t mean the people do not have respect for people who engage in combat or peace keeping missions. However soldiers, sailors and airmen need to realise that their participating in the wars currently being waged are respected for doing as the government of the day asks them, not the act of participating. As for defending the indefensible, as a former serviceman why do you do that in regards to the letter written by another serviceman? Free speech is not an open invitation to berate people with lies and misinformation with healthy doses of racism (overt or covert), it is being able to have the opinion, voicing it is another matter entirely, and the demands of a civilised population are that it meets a standard of decency, moderation and is not offensive within a broad definition of offensive, as can be seen from reading this sites posts, some people are never satisfied and will be perpetually offended, they thrive on it. Your reply and the letter from the other bloke meet none of the criteria as mentioned for decency or correctness (in factual terms), and is therefore fair game for responses you yourself might not like. Most people on here though will apply a test of standards and relevance etc…unlike the likes of a lot of people who get outed on here for their disgusting views. Again they are free to have those views, but not free to air them to all and sundry without being held to account by the majority of decent fair minded people in Australia.

  22. Being a war veteran or having vets in your family doesn’t make your opinion more or less valid. For what it’s worth, I have three in mine and none of them are or were racist fucks like the fucktard you’ve responded to.

  23. I think the Vietnam War argument is just rubbish, if you don’t want asylum seekers here, its best not to mention that you participated in the war which pretty much introduced the idea of asylum seekers…

    • Kenny, thanks guess that really the point was trying to make along with a few other, as vet
      just dont like being dragged into somebody views whether you are the founder or the person answering.
      my email was sent to the author of the reply to david harrison ,being she had given what I considered private email address and far as I was concerned it was private, the fact she posted it on her website does not disturb me, other the fact she did not also publisher all her most colourful replys via the same emails address….other thing that also disturb me, is the hate this person has inside for anybody that may not share her views and that clearly came out in her replies.. Part of one of her replies was Racist remark which was directed at my wife, so for somebody that speaks out again’st Racism make me wonder
      so perhap should make this point very clear… I said ILLEGAL should be sent back asap I did not say asylum seeker should be sent back as there many asylum seeeker waiting all over the world to come to Australia and who are coming here legally and will make good Australia ….. ..i SAID ILLEGAL that also mean if your do or have broken austraila LAWS and to be found illegal, then as far as I’m concerned you get free flight to your country.

      my remark about Muslim women, is statement of fact, I do not like the way they are treated around the world under the name of religion..neither do I like how the very rich in those poorer country treat the poor and less educated….. so you see I may not have got the education that I would have liked, but I sure dont go putting other people down because of it…. the thing that I have is degree in life.. what I seen and done in my life did not come out of books along with the respect I have for people way of life etc….

      Also for your imformation and the reader of this website, you find a hell of us veterans and none veteran alike, doing things in other parts of the world helping the poorer people to better the quality of life and I also happen to be one of them iinvolved ………. its your god given right to think I support Racism.. that is your opinion without knowing anything about me………… so suggest do your own research and dont be spoon feed by this website or anybody else for that matter……….

  24. Response from ‘Glenn Anderson’ (toprank_mt_racing@hotmail.com):

    hey FUCK OFF, with your left wing dogooder ethnic lover bull shit you fukn cunts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    i am 4th gen white aussie and i am RACIST!!!!!!,so dont fukn email me with your ethnic loving bull shit filth you fucker!!!!!
    you,labor/greens are fukn filth,go and invite the illeagal refugee scavenger filth invaders to your fukn home ass wipe,we white aussies dont want our country mass invaded with third world scum immigrant ethnics,refugees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    DEATH TO LEFT WING TRAITER SOCILIST DOGOODERS AND THIRD WORLD ETHNIC IMMIGRANT INVADERS TRYING TO DESTROY OUR CULTURE,IDENTITY,HERITAGE AND OUR GREAT LAND,
    GO TO FUKN HELL YOU ETHNIC SCUM LOVERS,YOU REPLY TO THIS I PROMISE TO HUNT YOU DOWN AND FUKN KICK YOUR TEETH CUNT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Can I reply to him on your behalf?
      I need my wisdom teeth out & it is going to cost me $2000+
      If the aforementioned fuck-tard could just kick my teeth that is a saving of $2000+ 🙂

      • And he continues…

        “COME AND SAY THIS TO MY FACE M FUCKER,I WILL TEAR YOU APART AND MAKE YOU SPIT YOUR FUKN TEETH OUT CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        WEAK FUKN ETHNIC LOVING DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “

        • Do you have his address? If so I could pay him a visit and see if he’s as brave in person as he wants us to believe.

        • HAHA do people not realise that they are making themselves looks ridiculously stupid with empty threats like the ones he made?

          Raaaaage!

        • Millsie, pick me up on the way over mate, we can have a little confab with him and maybe he will see the error of his ways, my short time in the Army Reserve plus being a security officer in one of the countries most bogan infested towns has given me some “skills”.

        • apologies for the thread necro, this glenn dude is quite a piece of work, even annoys us south africans with vulgar emails when we cant help him further. ah well, thankfully i dont have to do business with such a morally poor individual.

          From: glen andreasen
          “Well u can fuck rite off then u asswipe arrogant blk fuck!!!!!
          Btw don’t call me mate dickhead cause yr Not!!!
          I don’t need ur crap pedals dickhead as I found else where and btw African scum dog how about u fix ur shit hole stinking 3rd world crap hole country up!!!”

        • when I sent him an email pointing out that modern Australia is multicultural I got this pleasant reply:

          “how about you cunt,FUCK OFF left wing traiter dogooder ethnic lover,fuck off scum!!!!!
          your a traiter,real pro white aussies do not accept multi cunt ralism you fukn fool,
          what do you think multicultralism is??= RACISM against us whites the host nation,we have our own culture here,so go fuck your self dog!!!
          dont fukn email me with your left way ward scum idiolgies you fuck head!!!!
          NOW FUCK OFF………………………………….”

          Charming fellow.

        • This one is a keeper 🙂
          Look who he is mates with?
          I think the authorities needs to be alerted on this one, concerning security of others, not just sanity’s sake.

        • This er… ‘thing’ belongs in an asylum. I’ve never seen such a striking example of sociopathic behaviour.

        • What the hell?
          “southern cross soldiers”?
          Oh and Nazi tattoos, of to a good start.
          You’re not wrong about alerting the cops. And maybe the mental health people as well. At least Scott didn’t seem to have Nazi tattoos.

        • Also should we point out that Australia and England (the two countries he claims to love) fought against the Nazis?

        • Funny thing about multiculturalism in Australia;

          When Captain Arthur Phillip arrived with the first fleet, he brought with his entourage six different languages, the first fleeters were multicultural. The people they met on arrival, the Aborigines, nationally, spoke more than 300 languages, they also were multicultural.
          Ever since then people have been coming to Australia from different language speaking origins. So what do we have here?
          AUSTRALIA: always was and always will be,,, A MULTICULTURAL COUNTY.
          My father is from an English background and my mother is of Welsh but she was born in Canada and I speak English, Pigin English and Spanish,,, Hell I’m a wog !!!
          How many of these so called, proud white Australians, know that there is many more than one, (English) languge spoken in England, therefore England is multicultural as well?
          Here is the bnest kicker of all,
          Scientific studies, using mitochondrial DNA, have shown that, no matter where in the world a person may now live or think they came from, ALL humans originated in East Ethiopia around 200,000 years ago, we were all black once. Now I am a proud white Australian but for some reason, when I learnt that about our origins, I felt even prouder. Go Figure!!

    • Oh he makes me swoon with pure delight! what a prince charming! which a well spoken pillar of society! please can i keep him?

      now back to reality, what a vile reprehensible piece of work. Hope he gets some trouble for posting such aggressive racist shit.

      • note to self this time is too late to post .. at least post with coherence, noticed the error as soon as I had submitted oh for a edit button, but i understand why there isn’t one

  25. Glenn Anderson…..you are a knucklehead big fella!

    Do not claim to be an Australian whilst displaying Nazi regalia.

    60 years ago, this country would have shot you as a Nazi, as an enemy of this great Nation. You are one angry disrespectful POS.

    Mike

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  27. I love your writing, but for the love of god, please change your background to a block colour, or at least put a text box behind it (a la the comments).

  28. I got a reply from Barry

     Thanks Mr john evans,

      Really I wasn’t aware of that so we’ve been Multicultural for 40yrs and here was think it went back
    lot further how stupid of me to be thinking it went back further than 40yrs….. so before you go running
    of at mouth  by….. say want to drop your Racism… you know nothing of  my background, other that perhaps
    what you may have read on website.. which I have now discovered  after being supporter of it, is full of nothing
    but Hate… and has most likely  been edited what was reply to something I received as email.. just like I’m doing now..,

     So I strongly suggest, before you go running off, telling a person about Racism you  go and do your own research
    and dont follow brainless sheep.. just for your information…. I spend alot of my time abroad in my wife country
      now beiing involved in helping with Medical and dental outreach programs and building of school and homes
     for the Poor along with other things… so kindly keep you remarks about Racism to yourself.. it everybody God
    give right in this country to the freedom of speech… whether we agree with it or not.. just as I respect your right
    to send me email.. without knowing  anything about me or my background.. you don’t even know whether I’m white
    black brown or yellow…… really am getting tired of people using this word RACISM  think it getting far over used.
     what ever happened to people in this country having something to say, without this word Racism coming back at
    them…. you know what it doesn’t offend me, if coloured person  or asia or even if muslin tell me he doesn’t like christian
    and so on .. because I respect that person right of free speech…background and culture.

    So if you have any further point you perhap would like to bring to my attention or further this  email debate then more
    than happy.. otherwise thank you and trust you had great easter.

    Cheers Bazz
    .

    • Being you sent me a emai to my private email address and kindly answered it in the same manner, as to how you got my personnal email address is most interesting Question… it really doesn’t worry me that you took it upon yourself to post my private reply on this website… what I will say to you and the person that has passed on my private email address to you or though this website who may wish to pass it on to anybody else, is be very careful of privacy act it just might come and bite you on the arse….

      Because you see the email I sent and was later posted on this website, that made you send your email in first place was also what i though was private email in answer to that email the person gave her email address at bottom of reply to Mr Harrison which was forwarde to me…. why people have jumped on the band wagon, about something that was a one on one point of view is beyond me and really had nothing to do with Racism,
      I am far far away from being Racist.. if and say if it really was in my nature and that how I got my kicks out of life ,how much fun I could have on this website……. ME RACIST WHAT RUBBISH.

  29. Usually this site doesn’t worry me too much; it usually features uninformed and ignorant people using abhorrent spelling and grammar to make up ridiculous stories or threatening violence toward Australia’s Muslim community or other groups they feel have wronged them in some way.

    However, the original email by Mr. ‘Butch’ Harrison and the following from fellow Viet Nam War veterans just saddens me immensely; not just the fact that they wildly misinformed (willfully or not), but that they have such hatred and vitriol towards people.

    This kind of blind hatred and anger toward people, regardless of what they’ve done, can’t be healthy and must impact their lives, consume their behaviour. Not only that, but it ignores basic logic; there is nice and bad Muslims just as their is nice and bad Aboriginals or nice or bad white Australian, because your race, religious beliefs, sexual preference or even hair colour doesn’t define you as a person.

    • Do we know for sure that this Dave Harrison is actually a Vietnam veteran?

      I tend to think your respondent Fletcher may well be. At least he seems to have used his real identity. However being a Vietnam vet does not give you an elevated status to discuss anything except events in the particular theatre of war in which you served and in which you were personally involved.

      My reason for casting doubt on Harrison’s credentials is that he has recycled all the tired old crap that has constituted Internet myths and viral e mails on the subject of asylum seekers, refugees and all the other target groups of xenophobes. And you recall that fringe groups like the APP tends to attract dodgy characters who are not what they appear to be.

      • Josh, just read your comments, yes I was and yes if have something to say I dont hide behind a false name whether it good or bad english or whether my view point will offend… you will also find have replied to few other people comments…read them.. then decide if Racist

        Which I also considered worth answering, if somebody has a viewpoint of there own and wish share it… then do it as private person,, dont brag other people into it and I dont care whether your Vet, doctor , reporter and media etc…. just share your views and leave the rest of us out….

        If you where to take note, my reply to Harrison comments where in fact not sent to this website, it was send to what though was private email address.. its is publisher of this website which is also one in the same.. desired to get some kind of mileage out of posting it on her Website… if your wondering how know it women. she made it very clear in one of her private and colourful replies, which she did not also publisher on this website…… you see that the beauty of being able to control what you place in your own website.. tell you what told her and that is I really do pity her ..

        • Barry I don’t reckon you are racist. I do think you have got the wrong end of the stick on some of your ideas though. For example the illegal immigrant thing. It’s not illegal for people to come on boats seeking asylum. At no stage are these people breaking international or Australian law. But you obviously view them as illegal and this view forms the basis of your antipathy towards them. So if you weren’t so angry about them being “illegal”, which they are not, then you may have more sympathy towards them and not see them as trying to become Australian by illegal means.

          Also, you have some views that I think you have accepted by listening to other people speak without realising some of those other people (perhaps people you respect) nevertheless have a poor understanding of what’s really happening in society. We are not being overrun by immigrants, we are not in danger of being mugged by them or our daughters being raped by them, atleast no more or less so than we are by white australian muggers, rapists. You see, when you take the time to assess the facts and actually look into the statistics, it’s blatantly obvious that there is no immigrant problem in Australia. There is nothing to fear. Our lifestyle is not about to be changed and Muslim is not about to be forced on anyone. We are safe and secure and have a great lifestyle, and should sit back enjoy it and stop worrying about things so much.

          I wish you the best of luck Barry, and sincerely believe you are a wonderful Australian, you obviously have a big heart.

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  31. Could someone please post this response at the RSL he frequents?

    I’d like to see his (and the other patrons) reactions.

    Damn the media and all their intolerant vomit they are spewing out to ignorant people!

  32. I am so relieved to see some sense being sent back to this narrow minded idiot.
    I felt sick reading his horrible and ill informed forwarded e-mail.
    Thankyou for providing an answer to him & all of those who forward this rubbish on.

    I have sent the link to this post to the person who forwarded me the e-mail, I can only hope that they read your reply and start to become properly informed.

  34. Just received this e-mail myself from some well meaning, but ill informed followers of Andrew Bolt (Australia’s answer to Glenn Beck). Great reply to it !

  35. Agree with him or not, he is a war vet. He may come across as ignorant but if you note he is simply worried about his country. He may be right he may be wrong. If you feel you can point him in the right direction, do so. But don’t do it in a condescending manner designed to try and degrade him.

  36. To the author of this letter David Harrison

    First of all I would like to apologize to my friends and of Anglosaxon and Scotish decent whom this may offend The rest can go fuck themselves

    David,
    this is averry offencive email and verry prejudice towards muslims. Not all muslims are dole bludgers, inbred, cheats and terrorists the same way not all european people are dole bludgers, theives and taking the jobs of anglo saxon born australians. In this letter you are insinuating that all imigrants are welfare cheats, bludgers, terrorists, dont want to integrate, dont want to abide by our laws, etc as stated in this letter. I can name at leaste 3 welfare cheats and theives who are Australian born, anglo saxon and scotish background but I dont hear you bitching about them. Donot under-estimate the value, culture and contribution that migrants make to a country and donot forget the humanitarian factors which are at stake here when dealing with refugees. Illegal imigrants do pose a threat to any country they enter and I agree that there needs to be restrictions on who is allowed and what volume but having read this letter I feel personally victimized being of non english speaking background (Greek Australian). Imigrants are easy targets for racists that like to spread hate.

    This is not the only time racists in Australia have shown their ugly faces. Take the Cronula Riots for example. A simple protest against violence towards lifegauards escalated into a racist riot towards anyone of non anglo saxon background on the 4th of December 2005. SMS and emails were circulated stating “its a Leb and Wog bashing day” by groups of Anglo saxon and scotish decent. Instead of finding the persons responsible anyone of non anglo appearance were targeted. Persons were injured and property damaged and it even was stated that cronula was off limits for persons of non anglo appearance. They can stick that up their arse, its every australians beach no matter what your background. It was never actualy clear as to what was said between both parties of this national disgrace.

    There is nothing wrong with a child learning another language other than english, it is healthy to know what their background is and their ancestry. What you fail to realise is that anglo saxons spoke english before they came here but no-one of non english background bitches about how Australians of anglo saxon or scotish decent dont learn languages other than english. The hypocrysi of this is that the english language is made up of many different languages including greek In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly (if we count modern coinages from Greek roots as Greek).My parents migrated here through the appropriate avenues at the time and they worked hard to make a home here. They raised three children who also work and are tax payers and are making their life here, even though sometimes I wonder why looking at some of this prejudice towards us. Sometimes I feel I have no country. Whenever we argue the point we are told if we dont like it go home, while living here we are called wogs, when we go back to greece we are called skips. So where the hell is our country then and why the fuck does anyone think they have any fucken right to say that we are not Australians and that this is not our home ?

    So why after all these years my pearants who worked and paid taxes shouldn’t I as an Australian not be entitled to public housing, welfare or any government assistance if I am down on my luck ? I gave the best fucken years of my life in service of my country and is this the fucken thanks I get ? My pearants left their home in greece to come here and make a better life, they sacrificed everything and left their home to start a new life along side people who secretly dispize them. They never took holidays, never bought a new car and worked so hard they injured themselves only to find that as soon as they needed some help they were automatically acused of stealing welfare. My father has two slipped discs and my mother has carpel tunnel syndrome in both wrists from over work. When they claimed disability as they were no-longer able to work as they were in agonizing pain my fathers peranent disablment payment which he was entitled to was withheld and after a lengthy court battle was denied. Justice my arse… Prejudice is what it is, just another wog welfare cheat ay ?

    When my house flooded in Goulburn I can’t count even one that came around and help me rebuild it from anglo saxon background. One was of scotish background and the other was of german background. Why ? because I was a dirty wog and didnt deserve it, as if I didnt work hard to buy it and swallow shit every day for it. Typical prejudice. I expect nothing less from so many racists. So you expect me to help the same people who in my life made it extremely difficult and unpleasant you must be joking right

    The same arguments expressed in this letter were also expressed towards imigrants of european background. We were called wogs, faced violence from others during school and outside, were discriminated against and excluded from many activities by pears and even to this day I am still not considered an Australian by most anglo saxons. Shit, the same friend I grew up with two doors down from my home invited my friend from Newzealand to his wedding but not me two doors up. He was of scotish backgound.

    My contribution to Australia through hard work dosent require recognition as this is my home just like yours and will protect it to the death but dont expect me to folow the riddicuous propoganda governments put forward and see me invading another country in the endless pursuite of oil because right now thats what is happening. Men, women, children and entire famiies are being opressed and killed all in the name of this “So Called War On Terror” and strangely enough all the countries that are being attacked are rich in fucking oil deposits. Co-incidence, I think not ! One of the ugly faces of Capitalism, fuck everyone as long as I am allright jack…

    .
    A perfect example of this sort of propoganda was the way Osama was killed. An un-armed person and his wife were shot dead because the soldiers felt threatened. This operation was rehearsed for some time acording to officials. How does a soldier feel threatened by someone un-armed cowaring in a bunker and why wasnt this man brought to trial to face justice. Its all a smoke screen to hide the truth, the American government had too much to hide by putting him on trial and too many dirty secrets they dont want to public to know.

    Want another one, fuck ya here you go, Sadam Husein, executed for crimes against humanity… He was executed by the same government that apointed him. Fucken Hypocrits, you put him there in the first place to do your bidding which he did, Why, because once again he was a scapegoat for a government gone mad. No public trial, no eividence published for the public to see just once again another smoke screen.

    Not only are we being lied to about the reasons for the wars we are also being gouged at the petrol pump and the hypocrisy of the Australian of anglo saxon and scotish public over looking the humanitarian cost of what is being done makes me sick. The same public is now claiming that muslims are a problem and all imigrants are a problem. Who fucking made the problems in the first place do you think, the same cunts ranting aboiut them in the first place. Just remember one thing, opression of a people can only bring a new generation of hatred and prevent any asimulation into the comunity. Just remember one thing, you ( Australians of anglo saxon and scottish backgrounds) are not the majority any more, we the Australians of non english speaking background are !

    Not verry nice to feel like the minority is it….

    The final stupidity about this letter I must express is as follows : You say muslims dont want to be here, then why are they coming, you say that the doors are open here for all refugees by placing people in camps, they are in prison and provided they meet the requirements they can enter but not otherwise and are sent back or indefinetely detained. There is a clear pattern of stipulation of heresay and hystrerical non-factual information. If you knew any muslims you would see that many of them work, contribute and integrate just fine in society including celebrate christmas, holidays, etc. At the end of the day they are still people and deserve the same chance as all humanity. I am glad that the primeminister has not replied to this hysterical racist rant as all it would do is incite racial violence.

    All racists can go fuck themselves !

    Nick Pidoulas

  37. May I just remind you all that the only true Australian is the Aborigine and everyone else is an immigrant or decedent of immigrants. There is no pride in what your forefathers did to turn this country “White”.

    • Jb, what the Aboriginals had wasnt a country, under any definition of the term, they had no national government, they had no written laws, no written judicial system, no written language. Unless i am wrong and they did infact have these as i can not find any source to indicate this

      From “About.com”

      States and Independent Countries

      Let’s start with what defines a State or an independent country. An independent State:

      1 Has space or territory which has internationally recognized boundaries (boundary disputes are OK).
      2 Has people who live there on an ongoing basis.
      3 Has economic activity and an organized economy. A country regulates foreign and domestic trade and issues money.
      4 Has the power of social engineering, such as education.
      5 Has a transportation system for moving goods and people.
      6 Has a government which provides public services and police power
      7 Has sovereignty. No other State should have power over the country’s territory.
      8 Has external recognition. A country has been “voted into the club” by other countries.

      Under this definition, and this one seems to be the best that i could find,

      Lets go through these 1 at a time
      1 answer would be YEs
      2 Yes
      3 No, they as far as i can find had no organized economy
      4 No, they had as far as i could find no national organized social engineering, education health and the like
      5 NO, they had as far as i could find no organized transportation system
      6 NO, they had as far as i could find no organized government or public services
      7 No they could not defend or stop other powers from controlling them(the British Invasion
      8 No, At the time of the British Invasion they were not recognized by other countries

      Unless I am wrong, and could not find any evidence of these.

      If I am please provide references as to where I can.

  38. Our immigration problems seem to arise from the fact that we have signed an international agreement under the UN. This defines refugees and asylum seekers and sets out how we must handle them. It is complicated and unworkable and clearly is causing great division in our community. Are we so locked into this agreement that we can’t withdraw from it – or at least to modify our position? After many years living under despotic regimes I believe they got something right – anybody who want to immigrate must apply and earn approval. If they arrive illegally or overstay they are apprehended and deported as quickly as possible to their country of origin. Too bad they come from messed up countries. It’s not “our” fault and we shouldn’t be expected to clear up their wreckage on our home ground. We have plenty of people in our country who are in need of compassionate care, and they are the ones who should be receiving our attention.

  39. Phew! my head is still spinning from reading all this.
    Firstly let me say, David Harrison is a Vietnam veteran; I know him personally because he served in the same infantry battalion, but in different years from me. he actually is, what we would say in Australia, “not a bad bloke.” However I think his views are misguided and inaccurate for a start and I disagree with them. Like most of the people who posted here, I also despise racism and bigotry in every way. Unfortunately too many people are prepared to accept unsubstantiated tripe from trouble makers very often in the media. I did not read all of David’s rant when it was sent to me because I had read similar crap from others and knew where it was headed. Many of those people sadly are also war veterans, many of them declaring that we went to war to make the country the safe place it is today. Maybe we helped, but so did many writers and messengers of truth. While I disagree with David’s views and maybe Barry Fletcher’s views, if I could understand what he is writing; sorry mate, it really is hard to decipher it, I find it diminishes the argument against them by resorting to personal insult. Calling someone a moron is not a good way to gain his attention when you want him to consider your point of view. Anyone who resorts to insult lowers himself to the level of those who posted threatening, foul mouthed insults that perhaps they plagiarised from a public toilet wall, e.g. Glenn Anderson.

    • Thanks for your comments. The response isn’t for David, nor is it for anyone who we deem to be a moron. It is for a wider audience – one that needs to know that people who write/forward such shit really are morons.

  40. Chris, the unhcr also states that if you commit a crime that is recognized by a member state then you can not be classed as refugee, we know that people smugglers are criminals, and, people who support those criminals are also criminals, people that pay those criminals are also criminals themselves. However i also understand that at this time there seems to be no other way for them to get the protection they need.

    Maybe the answer is for Australia to set up an Asylum seeker camp in Indonesia, so that they dont have to pay boat smugglers to get here, it could save lots of money, lives and a dangerous boat trip, and then send all boat and air arrivals to this camp for processing.

    • ‘“The UNHCR emphasises that a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution should be viewed as a refugee and not be labelled an ‘illegal immigrant’ as the very nature of persecution means that their only means of escape may be via illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.”’

      notice ‘not labelled an illegal immigrant’ even though their means of escape may be ‘ILLEGAL ENTRY’.

      thus, they arent criminals even if they resort to people smugglers. they, however, are considered as refugees should their refugee status be correctly verified. and again, 70-90 pct of boat people are eventually verified as refugees, more than those who arrive by plan. as verifiable refugees, their mode of entry is thus irrelevant.

      • for a person seeking asylum there is no “illegal entry” however, what is illegal is what they employ to get here, using people smugglers is, maybe using the term people smugglers is wrong, as they dont seem to be trying to hide the fact that they are what they claim to be, smuggleing by the very term is trying to hide what you are doing. again i think if Australia, actually set up a processing facility in indonesia, these “boat people” may be better of, not having to travel the last ocean part of their journey nor having to pay these transporters vast amounts of money that they do. that way, anyone that is seeking asylum in Australia can front up to this facility to be evaluated and processed.

        • ‘for a person seeking asylum there is no “illegal entry” however, what is illegal is what they employ to get here, using people smugglers is,’

          you’re contradicting yourself here.

          you said-

          ‘for a person seeking asylum there is no “illegal entry” ‘

          followed by

          ‘however, what is illegal is what they employ to get here, using people smugglers is,’

          so there is no illegal entry yet what they’re doing is illegal? what?

          their mode of entry ISNT ILLEGAL if they’re verified to be GENUINE REFUGEES.

        • “so there is no illegal entry yet what they’re doing is illegal?”
          Exectly,
          let me use anouther example

          going to the bank is not illegal, however if i steal a car to get to the bank then ive commited a crime getting to where i was going.

          now refer to boat arrivals, coming to australia to seek asylum, is not illegal, usibng people smugglers to get them here is illegal,

          “their mode of entry ISNT ILLEGAL if they’re verified to be GENUINE REFUGEES.”
          True the mode of entry in not illegal, however their means of travel is.

        • mode of entry= means of travel.

          they came in via boat, and traveled via boat from wherever it is they came from.

          both things are the same, and are not illegal if they are genuine.

          and anecdotal examples arent gonna cut the mustard. show us relevant documents please. facts. proof. that the boat peop,e still are being processed without being slapped with criminal charges shows that it ISNT criminal to enter via boat now, isnt it?

  41. Now
    I don’t give a shit who you think and i didn’t even have to read the whole thing to see that you’re fucked in the head. The fact that you disagree with David Harrison means 1 of 2 things, 1 your dyslexic or 2 your a terrorist living on Christmas island.
    Also you don’t get to speak on behalf of us intelligent Aussies because you don’t belong in that category.
    And further he is almost 100% correct on everything whereas you are almost 100% wrong on everything you say.

    And as far as i’m concerned you are wrong David is right, and you don’t get to say anything else about it.
    I think that we should just send 1000 people from Here, England and USA and invade 1 African country on the coast of Africa and take control then spread from there wiping out thousands of people and ending poverty, corruption and terrorists.
    I know that sounds extremist but in 15 years time everyone will thank me and laugh at stupid fucks like you that think it’s ok to let suicide bombers into a country and reward them for coming. whereas all over the world they get shot, jailed, tortured, deported and enslaved for coming but we are one of the only stupid countries in the world that give ragheads more rights than TAX PAYING CITIZENS that haven’t even had a speeding ticket in 20 years just for coming here to plan there next attack.
    It’s idiots like you that will happily pay for housing, food and whatever else they want and they don’t wan’t to embrace English language, culture, schooling or life in general and we give them any fucking thing that they want.

    So over all you are a special kind of fuckhead that doesn’t give a shit about future generations of true Aussies that want to be able to go to the beach in thongs and shorts to cook a BBQ without getting abused for dressing wrongly.

    Next time you have ago at a true blue think about the future of the best fucking country in the world you fuck stick.

    Rant over. All you other Aussies that thought about putting my rant up your welcome.

    Go fuck yourself.
    Your sincerely Rocky

    • Please tell us which parts of David Harrison’s diatribe were correct, and back it up with data please.

      Please refrain from posting any more of your opinion as though we haven’t heard cock slappers like yourself on here before.

    • “Also you don’t get to speak on behalf of us intelligent Aussies because you don’t belong in that category.”

      If you are an intelligent Aussie?? I’m happy not to belong to that category. Just saying 🙂

      “It’s idiots like you that will happily pay for housing, food and whatever else they want and they don’t wan’t to embrace English language, culture, schooling or life in general and we give them any fucking thing that they want.”

      I also want to know how do I “embrace” English language???? Can you give us a demonstration??

      Cheers 😐

      • That moron “Rocky” does not even know how to correctly write the English language.
        As for this comment by him, “I think that we should just send 1000 people from Here, England and USA and invade 1 African country on the coast of Africa and take control then spread from there wiping out thousands of people and ending poverty, corruption and terrorists.” – The European countries have already done the invasion of Africa and wiped out thousands of people and caused most of the problems you are referring to. You should have gone to school and attended history classes.
        Btw, “Rocky” where else would an African country be but in Africa? When you learn to use English properly maybe you can comment in a coherent and articulate manner, although you probably don’t understand what I just wrote.

  42. chris, method of travel is not the same as entry, I have stated before there it is not illegal to seek asylum in australia, and can not be charged with any crime by doing so, however means of travel can be illegal.

    Perhaps Australia could set up a boat to take people from indonesia to australia, like the people smugglers do and get the money from them instead of the criminal gangs and use it to off set the cost of detention centres.

    • yes it is. they traveled here via boat. therefore, they ENTERED here via boat. therefore, it is not illegal. read the pdf.

      “The UNHCR emphasises that a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution should be viewed as a refugee and not be labelled an ‘illegal immigrant’ as the very nature of persecution means that their only means of escape may be via illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.”

      see? loud and clear.

      “that their only means of escape may be via illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.”

      • obviously i havnt been clear enough to you i shall state it again in nice print for you.

        There is no illegal entry, as i have already stated many times, so i agree with you there, i never stated that entry is illegal.

        method of travel however using smugglers is a crime, otherwise why do people smugglers get charged with the offence people smuggling?

        under australian law, there is a crime called accessory before the fact (helping someone knowingly commit a crime before the crime is done) and accessory after the fact (heling someone who has commited the crime/s to avoid persecution.

        so, by using a people smuggler they are infact commiting a crime called accessory before the fact, by knowingly helping someone commit a crime. by using said people smugglers.

        ive also said that perhaps australia should set up a centre in indonesia to help prevent people seeking out the smugglers.

        or perhaps even the australian government setting up a “people smuggling opperation ” so that the australian government can get the cash that these people are willing to pay to get here, better going into the goverment coffers than some crims pockets.

        • Wouldn’t the illegal act of entering a boat in another country be against the law in that country? It’s like selling drugs on the streets of New York and then coming to Australia and being charged for it.

          People who are oppressed and who are fearing for their lives without any form of governmental protection aren’t going to have much respect for boat trade laws are they?

          You say using smugglers is a crime – but that crime was not committed in Australia – so how is asylum seeking in Australia unlawful again?

        • the same reason why the crew of these boats are being charged with people smuggling or people trafficking.

          if they can be charged with that then the people that commision them can also be charged as far as im aware,.

        • “method of travel however using smugglers is a crime, otherwise why do people smugglers get charged with the offence people smuggling?”

          they get CHARGED because people smuggling is an OFFENCE. however, USING people smugglers as a mode of ENTRY isnt, if they have legitimate reasons for doing so. we’ve been arguing this exact point for months already. if it were a crime, how come the government, with its battery of lawyers, never charged genuine refugees for using people smugglers? or are you presuming that you know better than the attorney general?

          “under australian law, there is a crime called accessory before the fact (helping someone knowingly commit a crime before the crime is done) and accessory after the fact (heling someone who has commited the crime/s to avoid persecution.”

          not applicable in his context, the refugees never helped the smugglers to escape persecution. also, they never HELPED the smugglers commit the crime by, say, helping prepare the boat or being crewmembers, or being party to the scheme.

          “or perhaps even the australian government setting up a “people smuggling opperation ” so that the australian government can get the cash that these people are willing to pay to get here, better going into the goverment coffers than some crims pockets.”

          but you just said smuggling was a crime. so why would you want the government to be a party in this? and if the government takes part in bringing refugees over, there is no way it can charge the exorbitant sums the smugglers do, because it would be ethically and morally wrong.

        • why would it ethically wrong, all they are doing is providing a means of transport,

          and on the way they can do health and some of the security checks that are needed prior to arrival.

          ive also said that perhaps the authorities are getting it wrong, in the first place, and one way to stop the “boat” people from arriving is setting up a refugee camp in indonesia that way they wouldnt have to do the dangerous boat travel.

          also, if they have crossed multiple countries and do not come directly their then the UNHCR status doesnt apply, but that is a different issue though

  43. I cannot agree with Barry’s letter on many points as I personally know several muslims and they are just like everybody else, nice and respectable people.
    However I believe that as a country we have the right to determine how any non – Australian comes into this country regardless of race, religion or otherwise, and not have have that determination made by the people smugglers.
    This has been one big ongoing debacle since the Rudd – Gillard government takeover.
    They are the idiots responsible and people should not forget that come election time.
    Their policies are not based on common sense but on left wing idiotologies.
    Australia is not a left wing or a right ring wing country.We just want to be free from unnecessary government interference and bureaucracies and to be able to determine who comes in and how they come in.
    After all it’s our country isn’t it.

    • The largest number of newcomers arrived in Australia under the Howard Government. How does that fit into your “left wing ideologies” nonsense?

      And people who arrived over the last two hundred years are guests. All of us. Ask the original owners of the land, who were not consulted at all when invaded by a bunch of colonists.

      • And how did the original owners of the land get there in the first place.
        Did the land create them or did they themselves invade it.
        Lets see if the colonists had not invaded Australia would it not be part of Indonesia now?
        Let’s see since the invasion, hospitals have been created, i don’t recall the
        invaders destroying any hospitals.
        Now let’s see, western medicine was introduced, housing is now provided for those that wish to live in it.
        Frankly I don;t think the average original owners of the land really feel that they’ve been badly done by this so called invasion.
        And yes the Aborigines have suffered not so much from the invaders who have done nothing but try to improve their living standards where they want it, but from the so called bureaucrats that are supposed to be looking after
        them.
        So tell me what would you like to see turned back?

        • You can ask the same question about the ancestors of modern Europeans. They travelled overland to Europe from Africa you see. And we doubt very much if they were very white either.

          Our Indigenous people survived and thrived in what was a harsh environment until the coming of the invaders. They had their medicine and their own laws to regulate their society.

          In Atearoa, where the native Maori arrived much later, they were able to negotiate a treaty with the invaders back in the 19th Century which has served to guarantee for the most part land rights and the preservation of their culture.

          Same colonists, different outcomes. Why was there no treaty with the more than a million Australian Indigenous people whose ancestors had arrived here about the same time as modern humans arrived in Europe?

        • “And yes the Aborigines have suffered not so much from the invaders”

          Wait wait wait, roberts, are you actually telling us that white people have it worse off than Aborigines by the colonisation of Australia? That’s what you honestly believe-that we “invaders” have been punished to a degree similar to being forcibly removed by our parents, and attempting to have any evidence of our culture bred out of existence?

        • Your comment:“And yes the Aborigines have suffered not so much from the invaders”
          Wait wait wait, roberts, are you actually telling us that white people have it worse off than Aborigines by the colonisation of Australia? That’s what you honestly believe-that we “invaders” have been punished to a degree similar to being forcibly removed by our parents, and attempting to have any evidence of our culture bred out of existence?

          My reply: There is no excusing the barbarity some of the early settlers perpetuated on the Aborigines at that time. Without going into detail it was terrible as they did not consider the human aspect of their actions on a less technologically advanced race.

          However today is vastly different from what went on in the yesteryear and opportunities to better one’s self and live a productive and even somewhat luxurious life exist today for all Australians regardless of their ethnicity.

          And I am sure you are aware that racial discrimination is against the law and rightly so.
          So stop living in the past and enjoy the benefits that Australia has to offer it’s citizens.

        • Hey everybody, let’s do some backtracking. You see roberts said:

          “Frankly I don;t think the average original owners of the land really feel that they’ve been badly done by this so called invasion.”

          But actually he meant:

          “There is no excusing the barbarity some of the early settlers perpetuated on the Aborigines at that time. ”

          There is no excusing. Of course there’s not-roberts said it right there. Strange then that the very next thing he does is…excuse it:

          “Without going into detail it was terrible as they did not consider the human aspect of their actions on a less technologically advanced race.”

          Yeah-it was terrible, but it was only because we didn’t think you were human beings. It’s not like we don’t think Aborigines are human beings anymore (Some still don’t), or less than a white person (Definitely still the case), or think you should be eradicated (Many people, with their comments on this site have stated exactly that).

          So roberts solution to long term trauma of colonisation is “Get over it already”

          Roberts, are you going to take that belief to Israel (Yeah-thousands of years of persecution, but we didn’t think you counted as human beings. So….quit whining and get on with your lives!). Or to the homosexual community (True, you’re still being put to death an’ all, but that’s just because some people think you’re not really “right” in the head. So quit being so annoyed all the time!”)-or is it only Aborigines who get the special “No excuses, but I’ll excuse it” treatment?

        • So tell me what is your answer to this colonization problem.
          How are you going to fix a problem of criminal acts that some criminal minded settlers committed over 150 years ago.
          I don’t notice anyone abusing Aborigines nowadays, at least not in the company I keep.
          I don’t see Aborigines as being disadvantage due to their ethnicity.
          I wouldn’t mind being able to claim Aboriginal heritage.
          So what is your problem.

        • “So tell me what is your answer to this colonization problem.”

          Work with the Aboriginal leaders, encourage the leaders to set a role model to the whole community. Encourage the building of infrastructure and creation of jobs in Aboriginal communities.

          Y’know, the things that you think are hurting the Aboriginal community, compared to your policy of telling them to quit whining.

          “How are you going to fix a problem of criminal acts that some criminal minded settlers committed over 150 years ago.”

          Well, we’ve only just acknowledged them. Tha’ts a start. Another way would be to try and rebuild the harm that has been done-encourage the teaching of Aboriginal language, and encourage the maintenance of Aboriginal culture.
          Y’knwo, instead of saying “You should be GRATEFUL that we took you off your lands-look at the cineplex I built over it”

          “I don’t notice anyone abusing Aborigines nowadays, at least not in the company I keep.”

          Oh well, that must mean it never happens, then, doesn’t it? I mean, it is literally impossible for abusive behaviours to exist if you don’t see it, right?

          Which is why I always say that murder isn’t real. I mean, I’ve never seen a murder, therefore why are we arresting all these murderers.

          You know most children aged around 5-7 have accepted that things exist even when you don’t see them. I’ts why the appeal of peek-a-boo is lost at that time.

          “I don’t see Aborigines as being disadvantage due to their ethnicity.”

          How many Aborigines do you see at your work? How many do you see on a daily basis?

          “I wouldn’t mind being able to claim Aboriginal heritage.”

          Cool-then tell your local police officer you’d like to be viewed of as a criminal in all occasions, tell your doctor you’d like your life expectancy to be dropped by at least ten years, and tell your employer you’d like to be seen at the bottom of the employment pile.

          Still eager fo the ancestry?

  44. Here is another conveniently overlooked fact.
    Regardless of whatever reason they have they still have to ask the host country permission before entry.
    After all, once they have gained entry the taxpayers of that country have to subsidise the uninvited guests.
    As a taxpayer did they ask for my consent before forcing me to contribute to their little adventures.
    Imagine a stranger fronting up to your door then demanding entry and support because the neighbourhood he comes from makes him feel threathened.
    And when you ask for identity he can’t present any because he decided to dispose of them before knocking on your door.
    There are facilities in their place of origin or the nearest safe port to apply for refugee status.
    Why do they bypass all these other places to get downunder.
    I’ll tell you why, because the Gillard government wants it so.
    She is doing the United Nations bidding of setting up a one world goverment and one way of facilitating this is to break down the idea that borders of sovereign countries are sacred.
    You bloggers won’t be laughing when your turn comes.
    It won’t be a democratic government.
    Wake up before it is too late.

      • your comment:The minute we see the words “one world government” or “NWO” we know not to take you seriously.

        my reply: Why are you so quick to dismiss my claims, is it because you belong to or have sympathies for that very organization.

        Even G Bush senior proclaimed the nwo back in 1991.
        see….http://youtu.be/wqRCdfUUrPc

        And this nwo is brought about by convincing you and me that we are f@*king up the planet by burning CO2, but they have no proof, no smoking gun that shows that 385ppm of CO2 is actually causing climate change.
        They just use words like ” scientific studies have shown etc..” but when you follow up on the article there is actually little or no substance and it never ever shows the smoking gun only the ” belief that man is causing catastrophic climate change “. What a load of crap.
        So we are forced to pay more and more for our power usage particularly electricity and the retards ( democrats there and labor and greenies here and yes a few on the other side as well.),
        won’t allow more dams to be built because it might wipe out some unknown frog species, and going green is supposed to create more jobs.
        I have yet to hear of anybody making a living building frog ponds.

        • “Why are you so quick to dismiss my claims, is it because you belong to or have sympathies for that very organization.”

          Yes, if someone doesn’t believe his belief in a secret one world government, based on no evidence, then you MUST be linked to that organisation. You’re one of them.

          Funnily enough, I presented a crazy conspiracy of my own a few days ago, that Roberts is a shape changing lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children. He dismissed it as silly, without ever answering the allegations.

          so I say to you roberts, why are you so quick to dismiss MY claims, is it because you belong to, or have sympathies for that very organisation of shape changing lizard people?

          “Even G Bush senior proclaimed the nwo back in 1991.
          see….http://youtu.be/wqRCdfUUrPc”

          Wait, so this is a top secret conspiracy, spending millions and billions of dollars to keep people in the dark, and George Bush senior talks about it in a televised speech going internationally. Whoopsie!

          Anyway, in that exact speech, Bush talks about involvement in the Gulf, specifically war with Iraq. Ten years later, the UN tries, and fails to prevent a war in Iraq.

          No, wait, don’t tell me, the UN only pretended to protest the War in Iraq-they secretly wanted it to happen, even though it further damaged their reputation and demonstrated their ineffectiveness. It sounds though that it’s not the UN in control…it’s the Bush family!

          “nd this nwo is brought about by convincing you and me that we are f@*king up the planet by burning CO2, but they have no proof, no smoking gun that shows that 385ppm of CO2 is actually causing climate change.”

          So, the UN wants to rule the world, and they’re doing it by organising thousands of scientists around the world to say that climate change is harming the planet? How does that work?

          And just for the record, presenting more unsubstantiated claims alongside other substantiated claims doesn’t make a substantiated claim. Just like if I added “Roberts bathes in the blood of virgins” to the previous theory that “Roberts is a shape changing lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children”-the combination of two crazy elements of a theory doesn’t add any further evidence to the first theory.

          Oh wait-the scientists are involved in the conspiracy as well? Oh my lord-they’re all in it together! And if the scientists are being bought out by the UN, who knows what else could be false. Is gravity real-after all, we’re trusting scientists saying it is. Do you believe that the earth circles the Sun, roberts, or do you think that’s just a lie created by the UN as well? I hesitate to ask your beliefs in whether the moon landings, S11, or the Holocaust happened.

          “won’t allow more dams to be built because it might wipe out some unknown frog species, and going green is supposed to create more jobs.”

          Wait, wait wait wait WAIT! So the UN has taken over the world, funded scientists from all over the planet, at least 50% of the politicians of the western world, and, according to you, people on random internet sites you may visit, and this is all so they can increase the cost of electricity, and save some frogs? That’s the UN’s big motivation here?

          You sound like the sort of guy who would believe the UN was responsible for placing a rock on your footpath, all in order to make you stub your toe. Or think little men from mars are responsible for making your car run out of petrol just after you filled up! And probably lost your job at one point because the internet gnomes downloaded porn to your computer-naughty internet gnomes!

          That’s 4, count them 4 conspiracy theories in total, all of whom have just as much evidence for them, as roberts “The UN is secretly lying about climate change to protect frogs” theory.

        • Thank you, roberts, but you have failed to respond to anything yet again. What’s the problem? If you are not a lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children, it should be easy to prove, shouldn’t it?

          As I said, roberts, why are you so quick to dismiss MY claims, is it because you belong to, or have sympathies for that very organisation of shape changing lizard people?

          And repeating all this:

          1- Wait, so this is a top secret conspiracy, spending millions and billions of dollars to keep people in the dark, and George Bush senior talks about it in a televised speech going internationally. Whoopsie! That was a silly mistake, wasn’t it?

          2- Anyway, in that exact speech, Bush talks about involvement in the Gulf, specifically war with Iraq. Ten years later, the UN tries, and fails to prevent a war in Iraq.
          No, wait, don’t tell me, the UN only pretended to protest the War in Iraq-they secretly wanted it to happen, even though it further damaged their reputation and demonstrated their ineffectiveness. It sounds though that it’s not the UN in control…it’s the Bush family! Is that right?

          3- So, the UN wants to rule the world, and they’re doing it by organising thousands of scientists around the world to say that climate change is harming the planet? How does that work?

          4- Oh wait-the scientists are involved in the conspiracy as well? Oh my lord-they’re all in it together! And if the scientists are being bought out by the UN, who knows what else could be false. Is gravity real-after all, we’re trusting scientists saying it is. Do you believe that the earth circles the Sun, roberts, or do you think that’s just a lie created by the UN as well?

          5- Wait, wait wait wait WAIT! So the UN has taken over the world, funded scientists from all over the planet, at least 50% of the politicians of the western world, and, according to you, people on random internet sites you may visit, and this is all so they can increase the cost of electricity, and save some frogs? That’s the UN’s big motivation here?

        • JM permalink
          August 20, 2012 11:10 am
          “If these were real asylum seekers why did they refuse to go Singapore a perfectly safe
          haven.”

          Because Singapore is not a signatory to the UN Convention on refugees and could be deported? Because in Singapore they will have no right to work? Is that a good enough reason?

          “I’ll tell you, simply because they are economic refugees wanting to take advantage of Australia’s unsustainable benefits being doled out by this defunct Gillard government.”

          “Did you notice what the master said, ‘they could pose a security threat to the Parsifal’s crew and vessel.’ that makes it an act of piracy.”

          Except all their threats are self harm. Are you honestly telling us that deliberate acts of self harm are now a form of piracy?

          YES.

          I must have missed the story of Somalian pirates, black beard, or any other pirate who board boats, then threaten to kill themselves. Please, tell us more about the pirates who conduct their pirating through suicidal ideation!

          I DON’T RECALL MENTIONING ANYTHING ABOUT PIRATES. WHAT WORLD ARE YOU LIVING IN.

          And, as I said, if you think suicide is a form of piracy, do you think that police should monitor suicidal help lines and lock up or deport everyone who calls up with suicidal ideation?

          IT IS IF YOU ARE ARE FORCING THE CAPTAIN OF A VESSEL TO FEAR FOR THE SECURITY OF HIS VESSEL..

          And just for the record, if I think someone could potentially harm something of mine, that makes them convicted pirates and we need to make them walk the plank? Sometimes I’ve walked the streets at night at late hours after a long shift, and I felt my security was under threat by some strange people I walked part at those times. Now, nothing happened, so I went along my merry way. But according to you, because they could have potentially harmed me, I should have had them all arrested!

          You said:
          ” The other day they just hijacked the ship that rescued them.
          When the captain indicated he was taking them to Singapore, they took over and made him sail to Christmas Island.”

          YOU ARE PLAYING WITH MY WORDS.

          This is completely false, as you now know. They did not take over the boat. They did not hijack the boat. You are wrong on your entire statement. Are you going to retract this statement or continue pretending that actually when you said “hijack” you meant “Threatened to take their own lives”?

          THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF HIJACK.

          YOU CAN EVEN GET ARRESTED FOR SAYING YOU HAVE A BOMB EVEN IF YOU DON’T HAVE ONE.

          “From the way you sound you most probably work for this idiotic politically walking dead government.”

          Well, my organisation is funded by the department of health, so I guess you’re right. But that would mean-oh my word, all the doctors, nurses, social workers, etc, they’re all part of your conspiracy! They’re all out to get you robert-they’re all working for the UN!

          I NEVER SAID THAT. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT AND FONDNESS FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED EVEN YOURSELF. BUT I AM NOT CONDEMNING YOU ONLY SAYING I DON’T AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENTS.

          Robert-you sound like the person who manages to twist even the most obvious of evidences that your beliefs are false into somehow supporting your conspiracy. I believe that you use the phrase “Aha! That’s what they want you to believe” on a regular basis, as well as “That would mean you’re one of them” and “Open your eyes-the evidence is all around you, but you can’t see it!”. I also suspect you have, at one point, worn a tin foil hat, and believed Jews secretly rule the world, probably in combination with the UN.

          I DON’T BELIEVE THAT JEWS SECRETLY RULE THE WORLD IF THAT WERE SO I WOULD BE A RULER NOW.

          “reply: Have you been taking your medication lately!”

          Says the person that believes the UN, an absolutely ineffective international organisation, secretly rules the world, and when asked to prove it tells people “Prove me wrong”.

          I would like to point out at this time that I have given an opportunity to roberts to prove that he is not a shape changing repitilian who feasts of the flesh of children. He has been thus far unable to even deny the claims. What does that say about him?

          HAVE YOU STOPPED YOUR MEDICATION AGAIN, YOU WERE DOING SO WELL UP TO NOW.

        • Roberts, I think has problems.

          He said:
          ” Are you honestly telling us that deliberate acts of self harm are now a form of piracy?
          YES.”

          But then he said:
          “I DON’T RECALL MENTIONING ANYTHING ABOUT PIRATES. ”

          You just said that self harming acts are piracy! Is your memory that problematic you literally can’t remember 2 minutes ago?

          “YOU ARE PLAYING WITH MY WORDS.”

          You are denying you said the following:
          “” The other day they just hijacked the ship that rescued them.
          When the captain indicated he was taking them to Singapore, they took over and made him sail to Christmas Island.”?

          Both statements are wrong. How exactly am I “playing” with your words, to say that the above statements, which eyewitnesses have said are wrong, are actually wrong?

          “THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF HIJACK.”

          So hijack now means “Threatening your own life”-is that right?

          “YOU CAN EVEN GET ARRESTED FOR SAYING YOU HAVE A BOMB EVEN IF YOU DON’T HAVE ONE.”

          And naturally you have evidence of ANY asylum seeker on this boat stating that they had a bomb. Right? Or is this yet another thing that I need to prove you wrong about before you even attempt to prove yourself right?

          ” I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT AND FONDNESS FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED EVEN YOURSELF.”

          But you are disparaging to people who work for the government, and think anyone who disagrees with you is “working for the NWO”-how is that respectful?

          “I DON’T BELIEVE THAT JEWS SECRETLY RULE THE WORLD IF THAT WERE SO I WOULD BE A RULER NOW.”

          Wait, so in the last few days I have stated that:
          -You are a shape changing lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children.
          -You are a shape changing lizard person who baths in the blood of virgins.
          -You believe that internet gnomes placed pornography on your computer to get you fired.
          -The UN placed a rock on your footpath in order to get you to stub your toe.
          -That pixies tell you what to believe in regards to asylum seekers
          -That you can hear dogs talking to you.
          -That you have at one point worn a tin foil hat
          -That you use the following phrases regularly: “Aha! That’s what they want you to believe” on a regular basis, as well as “That would mean you’re one of them” and “Open your eyes-the evidence is all around you, but you can’t see it!”.

          And the only thing you are denying is a zionist conspiracy theory? You can’t deny anything else, despite repeated attempts by me to allow you to do so?

          Interesting.

          Also, as someone who is Jewish, you could tell me-would you consider the boats of Jews fleeing Europe during the pogroms or the rise of Nazism, illegal queue jumping economic boat people? If not, why not? What makes them different from Afghanis fleeing the Taliban, Iranians fleeing the Shah, or Iraqis fleeing the insurgency?

          “HAVE YOU STOPPED YOUR MEDICATION AGAIN, YOU WERE DOING SO WELL UP TO NOW.”

          How exactly do any of my above theories have any more or less support than your belief that the UN secretly rules the Earth, and is lying about climate change in order to increase electricity prices and save frogs?

        • No smoking gun for global warming? Here are just three of them..
          1) See last 1000 years of global temperatures – rapid increases since the Industrial revolution.
          (http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/NH_Temp_Reconstruction.gif)
          2) Divergence between natural climate factors and anthropogenic climate factors (including co2 emissions) since 1850
          (http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/KnuttiAttributionGraph.png)
          3) Antarctic ice mass
          ( http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif)
          Want more proof or are you going to claim it as part of a UN/NWO plot?

        • No smoking gun for global warming? Here are just three of them..
          1) See last 1000 years of global temperatures – rapid increases since the Industrial revolution.
          (http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/NH_Temp_Reconstruction.gif)
          2) Divergence between natural climate factors and anthropogenic climate factors (including co2 emissions) since 1850
          (http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/KnuttiAttributionGraph.png)
          3) Antarctic ice mass
          ( http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Antarctica_Ice_Mass.gif)
          Want more proof or are you going to claim it as part of a UN/NWO plot?

          ———————————————————————————————-

          the earth is 4.67 billion years old.
          When the earth was formed there was no oxygen only 80% nitrogen and 20 % CO2.
          This CO2 was slowly converted to oxygen by a type of bacteria called stromatolites.
          By a about 1 billion years old there was sufficient oxygen to start aerobic life.
          This also created the first mass extinction of the CO2 dependent life forms then.
          The dinosaurs came into existence about 250,000,000 years ago.
          At that time CO2 levels were up to 20 times the levels of today.
          The animals were bigger and even the plants were bigger.
          There was no runaway greenhouse affect then.
          About 65 mya a meteor about 10 km in diameter hit the earth.
          This impact is supposed to have cause another mass extinction which also sent a 1000foot
          tidal wave around the globe.
          The dinosaurs did not totally die out until about a million years later.
          If not for the extinction of these animals mammals may never have become the dominant
          land species that is today.
          About 45 mya ( million years ago ) Co2 levels dropped to 600 – 400 ppm and has been steadily declining since.
          If this trend continues it will mean another mass extinction as we depend on CO2 for our food via the plants of course.
          In case you don’t know here is a brief rundown on how CO2 works.
          Plants absorb CO2 through microscopic holes underneath their leaves called stomata.
          Through the magic of photosynthesis ( caused by sunlight ) the carbon is extracted and combined with hydrogen ( extracted from H2O / water ) to create carbohydrates.
          Yes we all depend on carbohydrates, even protein from cows and other other animals is made with carbohydrates.
          Plants breath in oxygen at night and give off CO2 like every other living thing.
          Nurseries inject up to 1000 ppm of CO2 in their green houses to accelerate plant growth.
          Of course not all plants need this amount but a lot of plants appreciate it.

          Something that you most probably were never told is that the Little Ice age which began sometime in 1350 ended in 1850 ( approximations ).
          Tell me smart boy which way are temperatures suppose to go when the earth comes out of an ice age?
          While it is true that CO2 molecules absorb some heat there is a limit as to how much heat it can absorb. It;s like covering yourself with a blanket. There will come point when no matter how many blankets you throw over you will not make you any warmer.
          CO2 is a trace gas.
          The earth’s biggest green house gasses is water vapor.
          Try this little experiment, lock yourself in the bathroom and turn on the hot water tap and let it run for a short while.
          Notice the immediate effect on the temperature in the room
          The earth’s weather on a day to day basis is very chaotic as there many facets to take into consideration.
          When air is heated it will go up into the sky until all the heat is dissipated, and by air that includes CO2.
          The rotation of the earth and the sun beating down on half of it at any one time creates
          the winds that circulate around the globe.
          Here is something I want you to think about, if you heat air it has to rise because it becomes less dense than the surrounding air therefore the cooler surrounding air will push the warmer but lighter air up until it cools.
          The same applies to water.
          Did you ever see a teapot with the heater coils on the top.
          Well it makes sense to put the heating coils on the bottom so as the water on the bottom heats up it rises and the cooler water is forced down thereby creating even heating of the water.
          The term greenhouse most probably originated in England and was applied to the structures built by gardeners who realized that if they could keep certain plants at certain temperatures all year round they would get better yields.
          The greenhouse worked best if made of glass because it let the heat ain from the sun and captured that heat for most of the day because of it’s structure.
          In other words a greenhouse is like a glass bottle built like a house.
          Four walls and a ceiling.
          My friend look outside the building you are in and tell me do you see any glass ceiling in the sky?
          So logically we can assume that any heat is free to keep rising until it has lost all it’s heat.
          The same applies to the oceans.
          The warmest part of the oceans will always be the surface.
          They will say that ocean currents distribute the heat.
          But consider the validity in that argument.
          If you drive the warmer surface water down it has to cool.
          The sun can only warm the first 3 – 5 meters of surface water.
          There tens of thousands of under ocean volcanoes which the IPCC does not want to know about.
          Although the big eruption under the Arctic may not be contributing the melting, how many under water volcanoes are blowing there tops off at any one time.
          Because they are blanketed by kilometers of water they are almost impossible to detect when they go off and how much CO2 is constantly being released by these underwater volcanoes.
          How come the IPCC never even hints of the existence of these natural phenomenons.

          Next time we can discuss the the EOP of the earth.
          Eccentricity, obliquity, and precession and the role these play with the earth’s climate.

          Bye for now.

          ———————————————————————————————————–

          The Gakkel Ridge..
          ..http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/11/1129_icebreaker.html

          The Arctic expedition, funded by the National Science Foundation, focused on the northern end of the mid-ocean ridge. The ridge is a volcanically active mountain range, 52,000 miles (84,000 kilometers) long, that runs beneath the North and South Atlantic Oceans, the Arctic Ocean, the Indian Ocean, and the South Pacific.

          “Ocean ridges are like great gashes in the Earth, where hot rock from the Earth’s core is forced up,” said Henry Dick, a marine geologist at Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and also a co-chief scientist of the expedition.

          The Gakkel Ridge is the deepest and most remote portion of the global mid-ocean ridge system. It extends 1,100 miles (1,800 kilometers) from north of Greenland to Siberia, lying about three miles (five kilometers) beneath the Arctic ice cap.

          —————————————————————————————————

          News Release
          Geologists Discover Signs of Volcanoes Blowing their Tops in the Deep Ocean
          Evidence of Violent Eruptions on Gakkel Ridge in the Arctic Defies Assumptions about Seafloor Pressure and Volcanism
          FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
          Media Relations Office
          media@whoi.edu
          June 26, 2008
          (508) 289-3340
          NOTE: Many readers have inquired about whether the Arctic volcanism described here might be a cause of the melting of the polar ice cap. The answer is “no,” and you can learn more here.

          A research team led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) has uncovered evidence of explosive volcanic eruptions deep beneath the ice-covered surface of the Arctic Ocean. Such violent eruptions of splintered, fragmented rock—known as pyroclastic deposits—were not thought possible at great ocean depths because of the intense weight and pressure of water and because of the composition of seafloor magma and rock.

          Researchers found jagged, glassy rock fragments spread out over a 10 square kilometer (4 square mile) area around a series of small volcanic craters about 4,000 meters (2.5 miles) below the sea surface. The volcanoes lie along the Gakkel Ridge, a remote and mostly unexplored section of the mid-ocean ridge system that runs through the Arctic Ocean.

          “These are the first pyroclastic deposits we’ve ever found in such deep water, at oppressive pressures that inhibit the formation of steam, and many people thought this was not possible,” said WHOI geophysicist Rob Reves-Sohn, lead author and chief scientist for the Arctic Gakkel Vents Expedition (AGAVE) of July 2007. “This means that a tremendous blast of CO2 was released into the water column during the explosive eruption.”

          The paper, which was co-authored by 22 investigators from nine institutions in four countries, was published in the June 26 issue of the journal Natur
          http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=7545&tid=3622&cid=44586

        • Roberts-did you actually read the articles? Please point the glaring inaccuraciues in them?

          I know, you don’t read anything you don’t already agree with. It’s what the UN wants you to do-part of their brainwashing!

        • You miss my company do you.
          Okay let’s see.
          You’re quite good at flapping you’re mouth over things you don’t understand..
          Just don’t accuse me of cyber bullying if it gets too hot for you, after all you are
          begging for my response.
          Do you realize that a lot of the things you print, a trained monkey could do better.
          They have actually conducted tests on chimpanzees that show they have the intelligence of
          a ten year old, which I think is way above yours.
          Until you are ready to present your case in an intelligent manner like you did with regards to Aborigines expect to receive back what you dish out.
          You say you were out of work for a month?!
          I’ve never been out of work in my life and it’s much longer than yours young fella.
          So you think at 26 you know everything, I bet you’re still living with your mother who most probably still has to change your under pants when you soil it.

          You know Malcolm Fraser once said that “life was not meant to be easy “.
          I used to admire the fellow I even voted for him to get rid of Gough Whitlam who I voted for at the time.
          But it seems one idiot was replaced with another, but that’s another story for another time.
          But you know Old Mal had a point even if it was from a socialist point of view.
          You have to understand that we come into this world only with a birthday suit and if it was not for your parents you would not even have been able to afford a nappy.
          That for sure would have to be a gruesome sight.
          A socialist free society allows all individuals the opportunities to make something useful of themselves and not blame others for their failures as you are implying here.
          You know typical socialist sheeple response , it;s always some one Else’s fault that you don;t have enough money, or you smoke too much or you drink too much, or your wife hates you, or you don’t have enough opportunities, education and so forth and so on.
          Under John Howard the economy boomed and therefore we were able to afford what you call socialist schemes.
          Sure free medicare may be considered socialism, but that is not what real socialism is about.
          To find out what real socialism is about why not leave in a country like Cuba.
          Who knows you may even learn another language and double your I.Q., which in your case I’m sure is not hard to do when you start from zero.
          I hope you are enjoying the sarcasm even if it is at your expense.

        • “They have actually conducted tests on chimpanzees that show they have the intelligence of
          a ten year old, which I think is way above yours.”

          Wow, it takes a big man to insult the person rather than challenge what their saying. Or at least, it takes someone who can’t challenge what is being said to do that.

          “You say you were out of work for a month?!
          I’ve never been out of work in my life and it’s much longer than yours young fella.”

          Congratulations. Not everyone is so lucky to have work all the time. Now, how exactly does that mean that all people out of work are just lazy?

          “So you think at 26 you know everything,”

          No. Where did I say that? You’re the guy who demands that every single one of your beliefs must be proven false-wouldn’t that mean you know everything?
          Let me ask you this-when was the ladst time you changed your mind on anything?

          This is followed by a series of insults, showing once and for all, that this scion of intelligence, roberts, is really just a little boy when it comes to debating things. If he doesn’t get everyone agreeing with everything he says he just goes around screaming “I don’t like you! You smell like poo!”

          He even does the childish scream of “I’m leaving, I don’t want to talk to you ever again!” but can’t keep it up, because like all children he likes attention, but unlike most children, this is the only place where anyone will even listen to him. Sad, isn’t it?

          Just for the record, I live with my wife, not my mother. And do my own washing. Also, I think that if you’re actually as old as you say you are (And not just a teenager pretending to be old which would explain your belief in the boogeyman), you should’nt joke too much about incontinence, as it may be not that far off to you.

          “You have to understand that we come into this world only with a birthday suit and if it was not for your parents you would not even have been able to afford a nappy.”

          Absolutely agree. In fact, that was my entire point-some parents are more fortunate than others-this doesn’t mean that the child is deserving of less opportunities, just because the parents are poor.

          “A socialist free society allows all individuals the opportunities to make something useful of themselves and not blame others for their failures as you are implying here.”

          Actually, what I was implying exactly there was that you hadn’t read the above articles before delcaring “They’re all wrong!”-something which, once again, you haven’t responded too.

          But let’s deal with your ramblings, humour you.
          A socialist society provides individuals the opportunities to make something of themselves-true, but it also means that they are aware of how they can be succesful. Yes, this can mean that they blame everyone else for their problems, but you’d have to be blind not to see that we’re not on an equal playing field.

          When it’s at its worst, which is what you’re looking at, we have the long term unemployed, who do not work because they don’t think that any ob will accept them.
          But on the other hand, your view seems to deny that any obstacles exist. And I can tell you, from first hand evidence, that they do. I know a GP, trained in Australia, qualified in Australia, received all the tests required to work in Australia, and he can’t find a job, because he was born overseas. Now, he’s working in a factory, but according to you he should be blaming himself for his inability to find work as a Doctor, because…..why exactly? What could he have done better?

          And, I go back to another question you failed to respond to, roberts, are you not the type of person who blames everyone and everything else for when things go wrong? I mean, you believe there is an evil secret organisation which controls all the policies you don’t like-that’s the pinnacle of external locus of control.

          “You know typical socialist sheeple response ”

          Oooh, sheeple, I knew that word was coming. I bet you read Ayn Rand too, not realising her novels could literally be read as “Why you should be allowed to be an asshole”, and also failing to distinguish between her “Elite” and yourself, without any valid connection between the two.

          “Sure free medicare may be considered socialism, but that is not what real socialism is about.”

          Ignoring all my questions. Really-every single one you’ve ignored. Medicare is socialism-just ask any conservative American. But it seems, you like Medicare, probably because you benefit from it.
          So like all rabid socialist haters in Australia, you hate socialism, except when it does something you like. It’s an evil belief system, except when it works for you. Hypocrite.

          “To find out what real socialism is about why not leave in a country like Cuba.”

          Again, you don’t actually read anything apart from what you want to, do you? Where have I suggested we turn into a Cuba style government-I’m quite happy with democracy influenced by Capitalism. Not being a one eyed idiot, I realise that a productive government needs a combination of both socialism and capitalism in order to work. In Cuba things have undeniably gone too far to one end, in America it’s gone too far to the other.

          But apparently realising “Hey-there’s degrees of political beliefs, and you’re always a mix of one theory and another” apparently makes me a worshipper of Stalin.

          Now I’ve heard your response to things I didn’t say, will you respond to the things I actually did talk about?

        • Okay now that I know you’re not a socialist or an extreme right-wing nutter

          I would like to apologize for my tirade..

          Here is something that I would like to share with you.
          It’ will take a little bit of time to read but I suspect you read a bit so it should not be a problem for you.

          Feel free to comment in open honestly fashion, as this is most probably the first time you will have read something like this I expect you to be a little bit dubious.

          Maurice Strong: The new guy in your future!
          By Henry Lamb
          January, 1997

          Shortly after his selection as U.N. Secretary General, Kofi Annan told the Lehrer News Hour that Ingvar Carlsson and Shirdath Ramphal, co-chairs of the U.N.-funded Commission on Global Governance…

          [Long tirade from American far right anti-UN organisation which people can pursue via Google if they are all that interested]

        • Let’s see you try, roberts. Here are over 30 questions you have ignored or failed to answer:

          1- So roberts solution to long term trauma of colonisation is “Get over it already”

          Roberts, are you going to take that belief to Israel (Yeah-thousands of years of persecution, but we didn’t think you counted as human beings. So….quit whining and get on with your lives!). Or to the homosexual community (True, you’re still being put to death an’ all, but that’s just because some people think you’re not really “right” in the head. So quit being so annoyed all the time!”)-or is it only Aborigines who get the special “No excuses, but I’ll excuse it” treatment?

          2- As I said, roberts, why are you so quick to dismiss MY claims, is it because you belong to, or have sympathies for that very organisation of shape changing lizard people?

          3- You just said that self harming acts are piracy! Is your memory that problematic you literally can’t remember 2 minutes ago?

          4- You are denying you said the following:
          “” The other day they just hijacked the ship that rescued them.
          When the captain indicated he was taking them to Singapore, they took over and made him sail to Christmas Island.”?

          Both statements are wrong. How exactly am I “playing” with your words, to say that the above statements, which eyewitnesses have said are wrong, are actually wrong?

          5- So hijack now means “Threatening your own life”-is that right?

          6- And naturally you have evidence of ANY asylum seeker on this boat stating that they had a bomb. Right? Or is this yet another thing that I need to prove you wrong about before you even attempt to prove yourself right?

          7- You are disparaging to people who work for the government, and think anyone who disagrees with you is “working for the NWO”-how is that respectful?

          8- Also, as someone who is Jewish, you could tell me-would you consider the boats of Jews fleeing Europe during the pogroms or the rise of Nazism, illegal queue jumping economic boat people? If not, why not? What makes them different from Afghanis fleeing the Taliban, Iranians fleeing the Shah, or Iraqis fleeing the insurgency?

          9- How exactly do any of my above theories have any more or less support than your belief that the UN secretly rules the Earth, and is lying about climate change in order to increase electricity prices and save frogs?

          10- Tell me, who is more like Hitler. The person asking to care from people of different cultures, and wanting to protect those who are being persecuted overseas, or the guy who believes in a secret one world government, ruling everything?

          11- why did they refuse to go Singapore a perfectly safe haven.”

          Because Singapore is not a signatory to the UN Convention on refugees and could be deported? Because in Singapore they will have no right to work? Is that a good enough reason?

          12- Wait, let’s get this straight, roberts believes that the poor in Australia, or any other capitalist society, are choosing to be poor? Is that right? That they only have themselves to blame for their lack of education, lack of employment opportunity, and lack of resources?

          13- Proving a negative is the easiest thing in the world to do. Which is why, roberts, you’ll have no problem proving to me that you are not a shape changing lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children, right?

          14- What safe havens? Name them. Name the safe places an asylum seeker could stop and live in safely (Note the words Live and Safely-they’re important!).

          15-If that scenario occured to you, a neighbour was seriously threatening your life, and has killed a member of your family-would you be the most reasonable person when you go to ask a neighbour for help?

          16- By the way-how exactly do the worlds asylum seekers “ask permission” to flee to Australia? Are the asylum seekers of the world expecting to send a letter to every Australian citizen? Then wait for a written response from every single Australian? You’re being ridiculous!

          17- Are you honestly telling us that the UN is a secret overlord power, but has been covering up by being generally ineffective at everything?

          18- So if you get on a boat, no matter what your reason is for fleeing, you are an economic refugee? So the Jews that go on boats to flee Europe-they were not real refugees, and just trying economic queue jumpers? Is that right?

          19- So, if all you need to do to be taken in as an asylum seeker is come from a poor country-how would people ever be rejected?

          20- So roberts, as you obviously care so much about refugees stuck in camps around the world, you would join me in demanding the government counts refugee intake as separate from asylum seeker intake, right?

          21- Roberts stated this was an unfair comparison as an asylum seeker is not a neighbour.

          Except, roberts, that’s the EXACT comparison you used earlier. So you’re saying you were wrong there, right?

          22- Roberts-have you ever actually met an asylum seeker? How many have you sat down and talked to about their reason for fleeing their country?

          23- Surely, Roberts, you would not want them to pretend to be ineffective, as that would lull all us sheeple into a false sense of complacency, right?

          24- “http://www.smh.com.au/national/indonesia-welcomes-asylumseeker-report-20120813-244ky.html”

          In your completely unreferenced line that Australia needs to get the sugar off the table or whatever, here is a more recent report (1 week old!), that states that Australia should tkae as many refugees from Indonesia-all of them if possible.

          So…how’s that for getting rid of the sugar?

          25- An example of a high taxing country (Perhaps in northern europe), who has unemployment ever increasing becaue of generous welfare?

          26- I mean, you would like some aspects of socialism, I’m sure roberts. Or are you telling me you object to all public schools, thinking they should be closed, and to Medicare, stating it encourages people to be sick?

          27- I’m waiting for an example of a country who not only had to deal with spiraling unemployment because of generous welfare payments, but who following this, had to force everyone back to work making the same money?

          28- So by saying “Gee, I think the poor have fewer opportunities that the rich and we should do more to create opportunities for them” I’m now a supporter of Stalin?

          29- who are these mythical people who worship Stalin that apparently I’m a member of? Are they linked to the UN too?

          30- Roberts, are you honestly telling me that you can’t want to improve the lot of Australia’s poorest people and be a democrat? Are you saying that democracy and capitalism are they same thing? If so, please tell me how, soncisdering democracy involve the people determining the government determining the politics, whereas capitalism, at its most extreme, is the market determining the politics, determining the people.

          31- “I rest my case.”

          You say that a lot, don’t you? Usually online, but occasionally at parties, shortly followied by sticking your nose up in the air, and hurrying out of the room to avoid hearing the conversation lines of:
          “Jeez-who invited the loony?”
          (EDIT-I’d just wish to add that I really doubt roberts gets invited to parties anymore. But it’s just another example of the damn UN controlling whether he has friends).

          32-Did you actually read the articles presented regarding global warming before dismissing them as lies?

        • Thanks Tomas for pointing out that mistake. It’s good to learn from things.

          Similarly, thanks for tracking down a comment that’s almost three months old from a threat that is over a year old. Other people might be looking at new threads, new topics of conversation, but thank you for using your weekend to scour through ancient posts. What would we do without you?

    • Roberts said, “After all it’s our country isn’t it.”
      It is only ‘our country’ because we invaded it illegally in 1788.
      The reason refugees have no identity documents is because they were forced to hand them over to the people smugglers before they embarked, not because they disposed of them.
      Can you tell me where the “facilities in their place of origin or the nearest safe port to apply for refugee status” are in, say, Burma, North Korea or Iran?
      I think the so called “sovereign states” are the main problem in this whole issue. Invasion and creation of false borders has been the perennial problem of human existence for thousands of years. It is long overdue for change.

      “Wake up before it is too late.”

      • “I think the so called “sovereign states” are the main problem in this whole issue. Invasion and creation of false borders has been the perennial problem of human existence for thousands of years. It is long overdue for change.”

        You’re statement reminds me of famous or should I say infamous players of the past and even the present.
        Let’s see, Hitler must have seen things from the same perspective as you.
        Look how many people died.
        How about Mao, he may not have crossed borders but the same disregard for human dignity caused the death of an estimated 140,000,000 million of his own people.
        Without having to give you a lesson in why private property is a very important element of any civilized society, I like to remind every reader again that this is the very foundation for the creation of a vibrant and thriving society.
        But of course socialists and communists don’t want to accept this as they believe they are born to rule.
        Well they can go F@*k themselves.

        • The issue is not private property – there are many cultures where people own their own land such as in Asian countries, but are still subjected to the negative effects of post-colonialism and greedy rampant capitalism.

          The issues are colonialism and capitalism and the ideologies like Fascism which thrive on them.

        • “Let’s see, Hitler must have seen things from the same perspective as you.”

          Total Godwin’s law there, roberts.

          Tell me, who is more like Hitler. The person asking to care from people of different cultures, and wanting to protect those who are being persecuted overseas, or the guy who believes in a secret one world government, ruling everything?

          Seriously, replace all your conspiracy theory villians from “The UN” to “The Jews” and guess what-you’ve got most of Hitler’s world view there.

    • “Imagine a stranger fronting up to your door then demanding entry and support because the neighbourhood he comes from makes him feel threathened.”

      If that scenario occured to you, a neighbour was seriously threatening your life, and has killed a member of your family-would you be the most reasonable person when you go to ask a neighbour for help? Would you be politely saying “Excuse me sir-my family has been killed. do you mind if I drop in for a little bit?”
      I’ve only had my life threatened once, thankfully, and while I was polite as I could be, when I went to a neighbours hosue I begged and pleaded to be let in. I did not wait, I did not let myself be attacked while I found a convinient time for the neighbour to let me in-I ran. And so would you in that situation.

      By the way-how exactly do the worlds asylum seekers “ask permission” to flee to Australia? Are the asylum seekers of the world expecting to send a letter to every Australian citizen? Then wait for a written response from every single Australian? You’re being ridiculous!

      “There are facilities in their place of origin or the nearest safe port to apply for refugee status.”

      Name them. Where do Afghanis, Iraqis and Iranians go which is a safe area?

      “She is doing the United Nations bidding of setting up a one world goverment and one way of facilitating this is to break down the idea that borders of sovereign countries are sacred.”

      Wait-you’re a UN conspiracy nut!

      You know, I love conspiracy theories. I really do, but really, is the UN the best you can come up with as your evil enemy? The organisation that only got slavery outlawed in the 1990’s, the organisation which tried and failed to prevent genocides in Rwanda, the Darfur, and failed to make any effect in Syria, or Iraq-they’re your secret super villian?

      Come on-you’d have to be convincign yourself that the UN is deliberately being ineffective to trick us all into compliance. And even then, you’d have to come up with some evidence of anything-but conspiracy theories never have evidence. Hell, this one doesn’t even have a real motive (Why exactly does the UN want to get rid of sovreign states?)!

      Go for the lizard people. Say they’re the secret world masters ruling your little conspiracy. You’ll still be crazy, but it’s a tiniest bit more believable. After all, I’m far more willing to believe a shape changing lizard person rules the world, because if the being can change shapes why not rule the world while you’re at it-compared to believing that a highly ineffective organisation is secretly planning the rule of the world.

      • I am impressed by your tirade but still those are just a lot of words signifying nothing.
        Those words really haven’t said anything.
        Prove that the UN is not trying to set up a world government and is not going to use the carbon tax money to fund their bureaucratic wages.
        You my friend are very naive.
        I am also familiar with the Alinski methods, so don’t waste your foolish time
        trying to impress me with your mindless chatter.
        Let me explain again.
        These so called asylum seekers pass so many safe havens along the way
        why don’ t they stop there.
        You want proof, The other day they just hijacked the ship that rescued them.
        When the captain indicated he was taking them to Singapore, they took over and made him sail to Christmas Island.
        Oh by the way they never mentioned about the body in the sea to the Captain either at the time of “rescue”.
        That makes them a bunch of criminals.

        • Why are you throwing around words? We are singularly unimpressed with your lack of knowledge.

          If you don’t like the discourse on this blog don’t bother to post. We can arrange a stay in our mandatory detention centre for blithering idiots. It is called the spam bin.

          The far right and stupidity seem to be inextricably wedded to each other.

        • “Prove that the UN is not trying to set up a world government and is not going to use the carbon tax money to fund their bureaucratic wages.”

          Wait-you are classic, robert! You don’t have to prove anything, apparently, not even your crazy beliefs. It’s up to the world to prove your beliefs wrong.

          Fine, I’ll be happy to do that. After all proving a negative is the easiest thing in the world to do. Which is why, roberts, you’ll have no problem proving to me that you are not a shape changing lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children.

          If you can’t prove that, and as we agree since proving a negative is the easiest thing in the world to do, it must be true. But I’ll give you some time to prove you don’t feast on the flesh of children before I call the police.

          “These so called asylum seekers pass so many safe havens along the way
          why don’ t they stop there.”

          What safe havens? Name them. Name the safe places an asylum seeker could stop and live in safely (Note the words Live and Safely-they’re important!).

          “Oh by the way they never mentioned about the body in the sea to the Captain either at the time of “rescue”.
          That makes them a bunch of criminals.”

          Well, without any context or any source I can’t really agree with your notion. People die in refugee boats-it’s not safe, it’s not hygenic. Uder your statement of the above, Comedian Anh Do is a criminal because on his refugee boat, people died. Under your rationalisation, hell, even the Jews were all criminals because during the holocaust, the trains they were all on had people dying in them.

          And the stuff you missed, because all right wingers, from the minor political parties, to fully fledged Daleks, can’t handle a question:

          1-If that scenario occured to you, a neighbour was seriously threatening your life, and has killed a member of your family-would you be the most reasonable person when you go to ask a neighbour for help?

          2- By the way-how exactly do the worlds asylum seekers “ask permission” to flee to Australia? Are the asylum seekers of the world expecting to send a letter to every Australian citizen? Then wait for a written response from every single Australian? You’re being ridiculous!

          3- Are you honestly telling us that the UN is a secret overlord pwoer, but has been covering up by being generally ineffective at everything?

        • ” I’m far more willing to believe a shape changing lizard person rules the world, because if the being can change shapes why not rule the world while you’re at it-compared to believing that a highly ineffective organisation is secretly planning the rule of the world.”

          reply: Have you been taking your medication lately!

        • I looked into your claim that asylum seekers “hijacked” a boat, and this makes them criminals, and totally they killed a guy on the way.

          Turns out, according to te boat captain, that you’re full of shit! I know-surprising for a guy who says when ask for proof of his conspiracy “Prove me wrong why don’t you?”

          http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=784507

          This is called a source. It is the captain of the boat stating that the asylum seekers DID NOT hijack the boat, DID NOT become aggressive, and the route changed only because they were threatening self harm. Harm yes, but not to others, only themselves.

          Now I’m sure you’re going to try and twist that to make it seem like this is still a sign tht they’re evil, but are we really being the best we can be if we say “Australia thinks people who are suicidal don’t belong in Australia”-would you follow that thought to its natural conclusion and have police working on Lifeline phone centres to catch some unsuspecting suicidal people and deport them too?

          So in summary. what you said was entirely wrong. Will you retract it and admit you made a mistake?

        • ‘The spokesman for the survivors asked where the Parsifal was headed and when told she was going to Singapore, the survivors became agitated and threatened self-harm,’ the company said in a statement.

          ‘The master decided they could pose a security threat to the Parsifal’s crew and vessel.’

          —————————————————————————————————————-

          You my friend must have the IQ of a flea.
          If these were real asylum seekers why did they refuse to go Singapore a perfectly safe haven.
          I’ll tell you, simply because they are economic refugees wanting to take advantage of Australia’s unsustainable benefits being doled out by this defunct Gillard government.
          From the way you sound you most probably work for this idiotic politically walking dead government.

          Did you notice what the master said, ‘they could pose a security threat to the Parsifal’s crew and vessel.’ that makes it an act of piracy.
          Get a life or at least learn to argue intelligently.

        • “If these were real asylum seekers why did they refuse to go Singapore a perfectly safe haven.”

          Because Singapore is not a signatory to the UN Convention on refugees and could be deported? Because in Singapore they will have no right to work? Is that a good enough reason?

          “I’ll tell you, simply because they are economic refugees wanting to take advantage of Australia’s unsustainable benefits being doled out by this defunct Gillard government.”

          “Did you notice what the master said, ‘they could pose a security threat to the Parsifal’s crew and vessel.’ that makes it an act of piracy.”

          Except all their threats are self harm. Are you honestly telling us that deliberate acts of self harm are now a form of piracy?

          I must have missed the story of Somalian pirates, black beard, or any other pirate who board boats, then threaten to kill themselves. Please, tell us more about the pirates who conduct their pirating through suicidal ideation!

          And, as I said, if you think suicide is a form of piracy, do you think that police should monitor suicidal help lines and lock up or deport everyone who calls up with suicidal ideation?

          And just for the record, if I think someone could potentially harm something of mine, that makes them convicted pirates and we need to make them walk the plank? Sometimes I’ve walked the streets at night at late hours after a long shift, and I felt my security was under threat by some strange people I walked part at those times. Now, nothing happened, so I went along my merry way. But according to you, because they could have potentially harmed me, I should have had them all arrested!

          You said:
          ” The other day they just hijacked the ship that rescued them.
          When the captain indicated he was taking them to Singapore, they took over and made him sail to Christmas Island.”

          This is completely false, as you now know. They did not take over the boat. They did not hijack the boat. You are wrong on your entire statement. Are you going to retract this statement or continue pretending that actually when you said “hijack” you meant “Threatened to take their own lives”?

          “From the way you sound you most probably work for this idiotic politically walking dead government.”

          Well, my organisation is funded by the department of health, so I guess you’re right. But that would mean-oh my word, all the doctors, nurses, social workers, etc, they’re all part of your conspiracy! They’re all out to get you robert-they’re all working for the UN!

          Robert-you sound like the person who manages to twist even the most obvious of evidences that your beliefs are false into somehow supporting your conspiracy. I believe that you use the phrase “Aha! That’s what they want you to believe” on a regular basis, as well as “That would mean you’re one of them” and “Open your eyes-the evidence is all around you, but you can’t see it!”. I also suspect you have, at one point, worn a tin foil hat, and believed Jews secretly rule the world, probably in combination with the UN.

          “reply: Have you been taking your medication lately!”

          Says the person that believes the UN, an absolutely ineffective international organisation, secretly rules the world, and when asked to prove it tells people “Prove me wrong”.

          I would like to point out at this time that I have given an opportunity to roberts to prove that he is not a shape changing repitilian who feasts of the flesh of children. He has been thus far unable to even deny the claims. What does that say about him?

  45. mindmadeup permalink*
    August 20, 2012 10:19 am

    The issue is not private property – there are many cultures where people own their own land such as in Asian countries, but are still subjected to the negative effects of post-colonialism and greedy rampant capitalism.

    The issues are colonialism and capitalism and the ideologies like Fascism which thrive on them.
    ——————————————————————————————
    My reply to mindmadeup:
    please explain what you think colonialism and capitalism is and what role does colonialism play in today’s modern world.
    Personally I think colonialism is all but dead and irrelevant.
    As for capitalism, it is the difference between you’re living a pathetic impoverished whingeing life in some poor third world country and having the luxury of being in a successful career of your choice.
    Of course in a capitalist system you can still choose to live a pathetic impoverished whingeing life and that’s all part and parcel of living in a free capitalist society.

    Also on fascism, isn’t it funny how socialist governments turn out to be the worst fascists.

    • Wait, let’s get this straight, roberts believes that the poor in Australia, or any other capitalist society, are choosing to be poor? Is that right? That they only have themselves to blame for their lack of education, lack of employment opportunity, and lack of resources?

      Isn’t it funny how the right wing always starts by saying they care for the needy, but increasingly limit who that “needy” group is defined as, until it’s just them.

      • Lets see if your socialists policies work.
        A socialist governments takes a perfectly vibrant economy then starts increasing taxes on the so called successful for reasons of social equality.
        So they grant every wish of the non working ( I refer to those that can work but choose not ) class at the expense of the working class.
        When the working class realize that the government will look after then even if they don’t work then they too will stop working and put their hands out.
        Then the socialist government runs out of money because after all, in case you haven’t realized it, governments are not in the business of making money and all the money they get get comes from taxpayers like you and me and guess what the more money you earn the more tax you pay.
        As I was about to say, when they run out of money they will force everybody to work like it or not and what’s more for the same wages.
        You know like a garbage collector gets paid the same as a doctor.
        If you think this cannot happen just look at Stalin and his so called perfect
        socialist society.
        If you’re not happy with western democracy and all it’s trappings why not
        find yourself a nice successful socialist country like Cuba.

        Churchill once said, Democracy is the worst form of government until you’ve
        tried the rest.

        I rest my case.

      • Roberts-I thought you had left us? Or are you just hiding so to ignore further questions. Below you will see what yo’ve missed, but you completely ignored this question:

        “Wait, let’s get this straight, roberts believes that the poor in Australia, or any other capitalist society, are choosing to be poor? Is that right? That they only have themselves to blame for their lack of education, lack of employment opportunity, and lack of resources? ”

        And now your new crazy conspiracies:

        “When the working class realize that the government will look after then even if they don’t work then they too will stop working and put their hands out.”

        Really? Is that the case? You’ve got an example of that, surely. An example of a high taxing country (Perhaps in northern europe), who has unemployment ever increasing becaue of generous welfare?

        I’ve been unemployed, Roberts. Not for long-about a month and a half until I found a full time job. And guess what-I never felt all my needs were satisfied by the Government’s payment. It was hard, it was impossible to “live” on these payments-so I never stopped applying for work, and so I eventually found some.

        Now according to you, after 1 month of not working, instead of being increasingly eager to get out of the house and do something with me time (What happened) I shoudl be going “Hooray! I get money for nothing, I’m going to do this forever”-but it didn’t work like that. And I hazard a guess that you have no examples of it actually working like that at all.

        What is more common is that people do give up trying to find work. They see the task as too impossible and afte months of trying decide they will fail all their applications anyway, so why bother? This is particularly the case for people who have little experience in the work force, the elderly, or those with poor qualifications. But, according to you, these people are just lazy.

        “As I was about to say, when they run out of money they will force everybody to work like it or not and what’s more for the same wages.
        You know like a garbage collector gets paid the same as a doctor.”

        I know it’s hard for a guy who believes in the boogeyman to not do this, but try and cut down the crazy. You know, you can have Socialist beliefs without calling for a fundamental restructuring of the entire political system, you know?

        I mean, you would like some aspects of socialism, I’m sure roberts. Or are you telling me you object to all public schools, thinking they should be closed, and to Medicare, stating it encourages people to be sick?

        Moreover, I’m waiting for an example of a country who not only had to deal with spiraling unemployment because of generous welfare payments, but who following this, had to force everyone back to work making the same money?

        I mean, we are dealing with real life scenarios here. Well I am. You’re the one who wants everything proven false to him (Which is apparently easy but not at all impossible), before you’ll even doubt your beliefs.

        “Stalin and his so called perfect
        socialist society.
        If you’re not happy with western democracy and all it’s trappings why not
        find yourself a nice successful socialist country like Cuba.”

        Wait, wait wait. So by saying “Gee, I think the poor have fewer opportunities that the rich and we should do more to create opportunities for them” I’m now a supporter of Stalin? You really just jumped to the extreme level there, didn’t you?

        Incidentally, who is calling Stalin’s society perfect anymore? In my (extremely) limited involvement in Socialist groups at Uni (Which I avoided because, as you’ll know from my dealings with you, I tend to avoid stupid and extremism and any combination of the two like radiation), even they hated Stalin (Defened Lenin and Trotsky though). So who are these mythical people who worship Stalin that apparently I’m a member of? Are they linked to the UN too?

        Also, apparently I need to leave the country because saying “I want more opportunities for the poor to become not so poor in Australia” means I hate Australia and should live in Cuba.

        “Churchill once said, Democracy is the worst form of government until you’ve
        tried the rest.”

        And where am I saying that democracy should be got rid of? I love democracy-even when it annoys the hell out of me, I still love it. Roberts, are you honestly telling me that you can’t want to improve the lot of Australia’s poorest people and be a democrat? Are you saying that democracy and capitalism are they same thing? If so, please tell me how, soncisdering democracy involve the people determining the government determining the politics, whereas capitalism, at its most extreme, is the market determining the politics, determining the people.

        “I rest my case.”

        You say that a lot, don’t you? Usually online, but occasionally at parties, shortly followied by sticking your nose up in the air, and hurrying out of the room to avoid hearing the conversation lines of:
        “Jeez-who invited the loony?”

  46. It’s been a few days-and here’s what Roberts have been unable to answer at all:

    1-Proving a negative is the easiest thing in the world to do. Which is why, roberts, you’ll have no problem proving to me that you are not a shape changing lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children, right?

    2- What safe havens? Name them. Name the safe places an asylum seeker could stop and live in safely (Note the words Live and Safely-they’re important!).

    3-If that scenario occured to you, a neighbour was seriously threatening your life, and has killed a member of your family-would you be the most reasonable person when you go to ask a neighbour for help?

    4- By the way-how exactly do the worlds asylum seekers “ask permission” to flee to Australia? Are the asylum seekers of the world expecting to send a letter to every Australian citizen? Then wait for a written response from every single Australian? You’re being ridiculous!

    5- Are you honestly telling us that the UN is a secret overlord power, but has been covering up by being generally ineffective at everything?

    • question #1 you need your medication again.
      #2 you are not distinguishing between true asylum seekers to which I have no objections too. For every economic refugee that arrives by boat one true refugee will miss out. Got that. These so called boat people are queue jumpers.
      Don’t know if you watched the channel 7 episode on these queue jumpers but that’s what they are.
      #3 A queue jumper is not a neighbor. They are a bunch of free loaders wanting to feed off someone else’s efforts without permission.

      #4 No they are ridiculous for thinking that they can just walk in uninvited at our expense.

      #5 YES. and hopefully they will stay ineffective for a very long time.
      We don’t need a world government.

      • I asked roberts a bunch of questions. He pretended to answer. Let’s go again, shall we:
        “1-Proving a negative is the easiest thing in the world to do. Which is why, roberts, you’ll have no problem proving to me that you are not a shape changing lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children, right?”

        Result-DID NOT ANSWER. Despite repeated attempts he will not even deny this theory which, I repeat, has just as much evidence supporting it as his “The UN secretly rules the world” theory.

        Actually there’s more evidence, because I think we can find plenty of people who will deny the existence of the NWO-but roberts can’t deny that he’s a lizard person feasting on the flesh of children.

        Try again. So far, number of questions answered is 0/5.

        “2- What safe havens? Name them. Name the safe places an asylum seeker could stop and live in safely (Note the words Live and Safely-they’re important!).”

        Result- DID NOT ANSWER. He says there’s safe havens, but could not name one of them.

        Try again. So far number of questions answered is still 0/5.

        Instead, he said this:
        “For every economic refugee that arrives by boat one true refugee will miss out. Got that. These so called boat people are queue jumpers.”

        Wait a second here. So if you get on a boat, no matter what your reason is for fleeing, you are an economic refugee? So the Jews that go on boats to flee Europe-they were not real refugees, and just trying economic queue jumpers? Is that right?

        Also, there’s the myth of the economic refugee. Roberts, every person who is given a protection visa has to be assessed against the UN definition of a refugee. Here it is:
        “owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country”

        Now where in that is it saying you can be a refugee if “You want to live in a richer country”. Hell, I don’t even see gender (Which is why many battered women fleeing in their husbands to another country would be rejected by the refugee charter)
        Now if you are going to tell me that, actually, this definition is never used, and you know this because a magic pixie told you, and all you need to do to be a refugee is to come from a poor country. If that’s what you honestly believe, roberts, tell me, why would anyone be knocked back?

        Because they are-quite a bit of them, in fact. Many with real claims of persecution, not denied by any source, but because they do not meet the letter of the refugee definition, they are not accepted as refugees. These include battered women, men being hunted by the Taliban, former sex slaves-all who are under threat if they return to their home countries, but because that isn’t exactly what the definition refers to (In the first and last instance, gender is not a reason to seek asylum, in the middle instance, because the refugee tribunal is not satisfied they can move a safer area of Pakistan) they are rejected. So, if all you need to do is come from a poor country-how would people ever be rejected?

        Incidentally, I too hate that someone arriving by a boat takes the place of an asylum seeker sitting in a camp. Which is why I believe our government should not linked the number of refugees brought in to the number of asylum seekers we accept.

        I mean, we get very few asylum seekers compared to Europe, and guess what-no where in Europe links asylum seekers to refugee numbers. Hell-no where in the WORLD links the two. Only Australia. And we haven’t always done it-15 years ago we counted the two groups separately.

        So roberts, as you obviously care so much about refugees stuck in camps around the world, you would join me in demanding the government counts refugee intake as separate from asylum seeker intake, right?

        The third question:
        “3-If that scenario occured to you, a neighbour was seriously threatening your life, and has killed a member of your family-would you be the most reasonable person when you go to ask a neighbour for help?”

        Result-DID NOT ANSWER, and instead stated this was an unfair comparison as an asylum seeker is not a neighbour.

        Except, roberts, that’s the EXACT comparison you used earlier. So you’re saying you were wrong there, right?

        The fact is an asylum seeker is a neighbour. Roberts-have you ever actually met an asylum seeker? How many have you sat down and talked to about their reason for fleeing their country?

        I’ve met with many-been working with asylum seekers for over a year now. And there’s something consistent about all of them-they ALL want to work. Even if they’re not allowed to work legally in Australia, that’s what they want to do. They refuse assistance in many cases, until they have no other option, always hoping to find work.

        That’s my experience, roberts. Please, tell me all about your experience with asylum seekers. which I’m sure is extensive, and not at all involving talking dogs that only you can hear.

        So far-0/5 questions answered.

        “4- By the way-how exactly do the worlds asylum seekers “ask permission” to flee to Australia? Are the asylum seekers of the world expecting to send a letter to every Australian citizen? Then wait for a written response from every single Australian? You’re being ridiculous!”

        Result-DID NOT ANSWER. Roberts instead repeated they would need to be invited to come to Australia.
        I repeat Roberts-how does an asylum seeker ask permission to flee to Australia.

        So far-0/5 Questions answered.

        “5- Are you honestly telling us that the UN is a secret overlord power, but has been covering up by being generally ineffective at everything?”

        Result-HE ANSWERED! Kinda. Hoorah. He can read and respond to things. Almost.

        Except you’re not being consistent. You say that they’re pretending to be ineffective to hide their power and influence. But then you say:
        “hopefully they will stay ineffective for a very long time.”

        That doesn’t make sense. Surely, Roberts, you would not want them to pretend to be ineffective, as that would lull all us sheeple into a false sense of complacency, right? And that’s the opposite of what you want.

        Also, you’ve previously said they aren’t being ineffective, with their powers convincing the world about climate change to achieve their ultimate goal of saving frogs and increasing electrical prices (Almost certainly while going “Mwa-ha-ha”).

        So the UN is ineffective, but actually are able to take over the world through the greenhouse gas emissions, but you’re happy about their ineffectiveness, even though this lulls everyone into believing you’re a crazy person, and allows them to complete their goals, which you think they won’t be doing because they’re ineffective, but….

        You see how your conspiracy gets a bit tangled there.

        so…I asked 5 questions. At best, I got an answer for one. Let’s see you try again roberts.

        • Obviously we are having a bit of maturity problems on your side.
          How old are you 15,16?
          Anyway I’ll say this once again for the last time.
          Australian as a sovereign country has the right to know who, when and where people come from before becoming part of the community.
          It’s as simple as that.
          We will not have our immigration policies decided by boat people smugglers, who bring these so called irregular arrivals ( who have come from elsewhere to Indonesia), paying 5 – 10,000 dollars ,so they can be dumped on our shores by these people smugglers.
          These sorts of activities have also caused the loss of innocent lives, (women and children
          drowning under horrible circumstances ) and therefore has to stop immediately.
          Even the President of Indonesia said that Australia has to take the sugar off the table.

          This will be my last reply on this subject as you just keep splitting hairs and running around in circles like a dog with 3 legs chasing it’s tail.

        • “How old are you 15,16?”

          Nope, 26. Old enough not to believe in the boggeyman, or as you’ve been calling him, the UN. Old enough to say to myself “Nope, I’m going to ask for evidence before I believe the UN has taken over the world to save Frogs”/

          “Anyway I’ll say this once again for the last time.
          Australian as a sovereign country has the right to know who, when and where people come from before becoming part of the community.”

          You’ve never said this before. Not once. Not a single time.

          But you’re right. Australia has the right to know where people come from before they come to the community. Which is why NO asylum seeker is released into the community until a basic identity, security and health check is done. In fact, excluding a small gap of time of the last 6 months, when mandatory detention was being wound up, it was unlikely for an asylum seeker to be released into the community at all until the Government had determined and accepted the applicant to be a refugee.

          So….you’ve got what you want. Are you satisfied?

          “We will not have our immigration policies decided by boat people smugglers, who bring these so called irregular arrivals ( who have come from elsewhere to Indonesia), paying 5 – 10,000 dollars ,so they can be dumped on our shores by these people smugglers.”

          Wait, the people smugglers are deciding the immigration policy? I thought it was the UN?

          Incidentally, if a person pays money to flee a country, does that make them a terrible person, who must not be really fleeing their countries? Wouldn’t the Jews have to have spent a lot of money to flee the Nazis as well? Are they “so called irregular arrivals” (And really-they are irregular arrivals. They are asylum seekers. The point of contention is only whether or not they are refugees) who are being dumped by people smugglers?

          “These sorts of activities have also caused the loss of innocent lives, ”

          Absolutely-and the people smugglers involved will need to be charged for this. Again, not disputing this at all.

          But you’re being contradictory-this is something new which you’ve never talked about before. Up until now you have said EVERYONE who arrives on a boat is an economic refugee who has no real reason to seek refuge from persecution, and just wants to take advantage of our country.

          But now they’re innocnet victims as well?

          “Even the President of Indonesia said that Australia has to take the sugar off the table.”

          Source please! No wait, I forgot, you’re allergic to them. I have to go and find the PResident of Indonesia, somehow get past his security, and ask him to say that he didn’t say that, right?

          You will no doubt flee to either fight the UN as their army of frogs (Your theory), or to change back into a lizard as you eat a small child (My theory-just as valid as yours), but let me ask you this, Roberts. IF you were in the position of an Afghani Hazara farmer-whose family is being used as target practise and barely armed soldiers by the Taliban, and your family, by selling everything they owned, was able to get you enough money to get out of the country before you were drafted into the Taliban army, are you telling me you would eject the opportunity, and sit patiently while you wait to be shot?

          If not, what would you do? Arrive by a plane (A form of asylum seeking you and many of your other cohorts have no problem with, despite the much lower acceptance rates of asylum seekers from these groups, and larger number of arrivals)? Nope-you don’t have a visa, and with no Australian embassy you are unlikely to get one. Flee to a refugee camp in Pakistan? Nope-Pakistan is partially controlled by the Taliban anyway-no safety there. Escape to Malaysia? No-Malaysia will stop you from working, and forcibly deport you if you’re caught working, so how on earth are you going to live there?

          So what would you do?

  47. “http://www.smh.com.au/national/indonesia-welcomes-asylumseeker-report-20120813-244ky.html”

    In your completely unreferenced line that Australia needs to get the sugar off the table or whatever, here is a more recent report (1 week old!), that states that Australia should tkae as many refugees from Indonesia-all of them if possible.

    So…how’s that for getting rid of the sugar?

    As he, as he has stated, has left the building, let this be

    ROBERTS MEMORIAL POST

    In memoriam of the questions Roberts was unable to answer.

    1- So roberts solution to long term trauma of colonisation is “Get over it already”

    Roberts, are you going to take that belief to Israel (Yeah-thousands of years of persecution, but we didn’t think you counted as human beings. So….quit whining and get on with your lives!). Or to the homosexual community (True, you’re still being put to death an’ all, but that’s just because some people think you’re not really “right” in the head. So quit being so annoyed all the time!”)-or is it only Aborigines who get the special “No excuses, but I’ll excuse it” treatment?

    2- As I said, roberts, why are you so quick to dismiss MY claims, is it because you belong to, or have sympathies for that very organisation of shape changing lizard people?

    3- You just said that self harming acts are piracy! Is your memory that problematic you literally can’t remember 2 minutes ago?

    4- You are denying you said the following:
    “” The other day they just hijacked the ship that rescued them.
    When the captain indicated he was taking them to Singapore, they took over and made him sail to Christmas Island.”?

    Both statements are wrong. How exactly am I “playing” with your words, to say that the above statements, which eyewitnesses have said are wrong, are actually wrong?

    5- So hijack now means “Threatening your own life”-is that right?

    6- And naturally you have evidence of ANY asylum seeker on this boat stating that they had a bomb. Right? Or is this yet another thing that I need to prove you wrong about before you even attempt to prove yourself right?

    7- You are disparaging to people who work for the government, and think anyone who disagrees with you is “working for the NWO”-how is that respectful?

    8- Also, as someone who is Jewish, you could tell me-would you consider the boats of Jews fleeing Europe during the pogroms or the rise of Nazism, illegal queue jumping economic boat people? If not, why not? What makes them different from Afghanis fleeing the Taliban, Iranians fleeing the Shah, or Iraqis fleeing the insurgency?

    9- How exactly do any of my above theories have any more or less support than your belief that the UN secretly rules the Earth, and is lying about climate change in order to increase electricity prices and save frogs?

    10- Tell me, who is more like Hitler. The person asking to care from people of different cultures, and wanting to protect those who are being persecuted overseas, or the guy who believes in a secret one world government, ruling everything?

    11- why did they refuse to go Singapore a perfectly safe haven.”

    Because Singapore is not a signatory to the UN Convention on refugees and could be deported? Because in Singapore they will have no right to work? Is that a good enough reason?

    12- Wait, let’s get this straight, roberts believes that the poor in Australia, or any other capitalist society, are choosing to be poor? Is that right? That they only have themselves to blame for their lack of education, lack of employment opportunity, and lack of resources?

    13- Proving a negative is the easiest thing in the world to do. Which is why, roberts, you’ll have no problem proving to me that you are not a shape changing lizard person who feasts on the flesh of children, right?

    14- What safe havens? Name them. Name the safe places an asylum seeker could stop and live in safely (Note the words Live and Safely-they’re important!).

    15-If that scenario occured to you, a neighbour was seriously threatening your life, and has killed a member of your family-would you be the most reasonable person when you go to ask a neighbour for help?

    16- By the way-how exactly do the worlds asylum seekers “ask permission” to flee to Australia? Are the asylum seekers of the world expecting to send a letter to every Australian citizen? Then wait for a written response from every single Australian? You’re being ridiculous!

    17- Are you honestly telling us that the UN is a secret overlord power, but has been covering up by being generally ineffective at everything?

    18- So if you get on a boat, no matter what your reason is for fleeing, you are an economic refugee? So the Jews that go on boats to flee Europe-they were not real refugees, and just trying economic queue jumpers? Is that right?

    19- So, if all you need to do to be taken in as an asylum seeker is come from a poor country-how would people ever be rejected?

    20- So roberts, as you obviously care so much about refugees stuck in camps around the world, you would join me in demanding the government counts refugee intake as separate from asylum seeker intake, right?

    21- Roberts stated this was an unfair comparison as an asylum seeker is not a neighbour.

    Except, roberts, that’s the EXACT comparison you used earlier. So you’re saying you were wrong there, right?

    22- Roberts-have you ever actually met an asylum seeker? How many have you sat down and talked to about their reason for fleeing their country?

    23- Surely, Roberts, you would not want them to pretend to be ineffective, as that would lull all us sheeple into a false sense of complacency, right?

    Lest we forget, the questions that Roberts failed to answer. And as a special reward for getting this far, here’s google’s approximation of the theory, still uncontested and undenied by roberts, that he is indeed a shape changing reptile who feasts on human flesh. This is google’s approximation of such a being at dinner:

    Feel free to do a google image search for reptoid for other images

  48. We’d like to protect our kids against ignorant, paranoid and fearful racists who from their privileged position dare to pass judgement on the most vulnerable people on earth.

    Rest assured that our kids will not bring shame upon this country by being racist bigots.

  50. Yeah thats not what I read in the paper, unless your saying the paper has it totally wrong, they killed one crew member and threw the others overboard to die basically and a couple were rescued. Thats the essence of what I recall reading about.

  51. “As I said in my email, I lived in Thailand and the Philippines and I can say from first hand knowledge how the muslims are killing the Christians to have their own Islamic states and rule.”

    David, if Muslims are all designed to kill all non believers….why aren’t they? Why arent’ the many Msulims I live and work with currently holding a knife to my throat and forcing me to convert? Why isn’t there riots in Melbourne like there are in Sydney, considering the Islamic population is just as high?

    “What about the little 14 year old Pakistani girl that wanted education so the racist muslims shot her in the head and tried to kill her. WHO IS RACIST?”

    You do realise that that girl, too, is Muslim? You realise that when you say that all Muslims are in danger, and that you don’t want Muslims in Australia-that includes people such as this poor girl?

    “Name one law that the Asians have asked to be changed in Australia however, the muslims want sharia law in our country.”

    Name me Muslims who are trying to change the law. Go ahead. I’ll wait. I’ve heard of Msulims who want sharia law for social matters, outside of legislative and criminal decisions, nothing more.

    “Have the Government send everyone a questionnaire to ask the people if they want these muslims to come to Australia. If you answer YES then you will pay higher taxes to support them.”

    Cool-but why stop there? Why not make all taxes the basis of belief system? If you believe in being tough on drugs, for example, you have to pay higher taxes to fund the jail time. If you believe in the war on terror, you pay higher taxes for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    You’d agree with that, right?

    By the way, if we bleeding heart lefties ran the immigration system, we know the cost of asylum seekers would actually be reduced. Because, funnily enough, processing asylum seekers in the community, where they can work and support themselves, costs significantly less than bribing another country to house them, building facilities to house them, and then funding all food, education, living expenses, and health for them for an indefinite period of time.

    “Why is the Labor Party with their failed border protection trying so hard to stop the boats?”

    True, it’s because it’s something that the Liberal Party uses to attack them. Largely though, it doesn’t decide elections. Immigration policies largely changed in 2001. In the following Federal Elections we’ve had:

    2001-Right after September 11, John Howard won-surprise!
    2004-Crazy leader Mark Latham loses the election-no mention of migration here.
    2007-Kevin Rudd wins by challenging Work Choices.
    2010-Dissatisfaction with both parties leads to a hung parliament.

    Abbot can’t win on boats alone. True, it’s something that he will use to hit Labor, but he can win it alone by saying “Stop the boats”-because here’s the truth Dave….

    Abbot can’t stop the boats either! His entire policy of “I will tow boats back to Indonesia” has been rejected repeatedly by both the Navy and Indonesia. So how is it going to work?
    Abbot even knows it isn’t going to work, which is why he never mentions it to Indonesian dignataries.

    “Put the 2+ BILLION this Government spends on muslims into hospital and education and stop the budget cut to these areas.”

    If you really want to cut the cost of asylum seekers to the Government, you’d join me in calling for the end of detention, and the processing of asylum seekers in the Australian community.
    I mean, if you object to spending any money on Asylum seekers, and object to having them in the community-what’s your solution to them? You can’t tow them back to Indonesia, so are you advocating transporting all of them, every single one, back to what may be certain death without even considering their claim.

    Quick question, if a guy forced Jews back to Nazi Germany, would he be a hero? Funny how the hero becomes a villian in your mind when you just change the ethnicity of the victim.

    “Protect Australia and all the children.”

    Apart from Muslim children, obviously. That’s right, isn’t it David? Why do Muslim children not count as children to you?

  52. By the way, David, did you actually read the original response to your letter? Because I realise you’ve actually ignored the vast majority of it.

    Can you read? Or €do you just ignore everything that you might actually disagree with?

  53. This is David Harrison. I stumbled on this website and I didn’t know it existed.
    However, I would like to answer some of the replies.
    Yes, I am a Vietnam Vet as I was with an Infantry Battalion as a forward scout and I am very proud of my service. I am also very proud of my army mates who protected me as I did to them.
    Maybe my English and grammar may not be as good as some very well educated Uni people.
    But I was working at15 until now I have retired. In those 45 or so years I have never been without a job to support my 4 children and 1 stepdaughter. I have always paid taxes not like some.
    A few have called me a racist about my views in my email. I fought for this country and paid taxes all my life so I fell I have the right to express my opinion.
    Racist is the new catchword out at the moment, however you can call me what you like.
    My total aim is to protect my 5 children and other Australians from the racist muslims that hate us and the rest of the western world.
    You call me a racist.
    If you tried to build a Christian church in a muslim country all the building people would be killed and our church would be blown up. Muslims are the racists.
    As I said in my email, I lived in Thailand and the Philippines for many years and I can say from first hand knowledge how the muslims are killing the Christians to have their own Islamic states and rule.
    I didn’t get my knowledge from a book or at Uni.
    Talk racist, just look at the Sydney violent riots and what the muslims were trying to do just because someone made a short film that upset them.
    Did anybody ask these muslims, how many actually saw the film? I would say not many.
    But that does not give them the right to violent riots because they are upset.
    I am upset about the muslims but I don’t organize a violent riot.
    What about the little 14 year old Pakistani girl that wanted education so the racist muslims shot her in the head and tried to kill her. WHO IS RACIST?
    WE NOW ARE NO DIFFERENT TO THE VIOLENT MUSLIM COUNTRIES OVERSEAS.

    And about the UNHCR with the UN Security Council, which are well known to be one of the most, corrupt organizations in the world. So don’t get me started on the corrupt UN.
    This Labor Government paid 24 Million of corrupt payments to get a seat on the UN Security Council. How much did the corrupt Rwanda pay? Zero

    I am happy for the Asians to come here to Australia as they work hard and pay taxes.
    Name one law that the Asians have asked to be changed in Australia however, the muslims want sharia law in our country.
    If there are many people that want the muslims to invade our country as they are doing now and to have as many land by boat or plane I have the answer.

    Have the Government send everyone a questionnaire to ask the people if they want these muslims to come to Australia and for Australians to pay all their benefits. If you answer YES then you will pay higher taxes to support these muslims.
    If you say NO your taxes will remain the same.
    Just see how many yes votes there is, Not many I am sure.
    Why is the Labor Party with their failed border protection trying so hard to stop the boats?
    Because it is such an important issue with Australians that can win or lose an election.

    Anyway call an election now and let the people have their say on the boats and all the other major issues that are out of control.
    Put the 2+ BILLION A YEAR this Government spends on muslims into hospital and education and stop the budget cut to these areas.

    MY AIM IS TO PROTECT AUSTRALIA AND ALL THE CHILDREN.
    David Harrison

    • Cool story bro

      By the way – we have no problem with Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or any other non-Western religion in this country.

      Keep that in mind before you post again. We are giving you space simply so our regulars can get stuck into you.

      There’s no Federal election due till late next year. Don’t like it, go live in some unstable European country where they change government every five minutes.

      Can’t figure out why it took you months to respond to this story if in fact you are really David Harrison. You slow or something?

  54. Ken we were not all black once you idiot. Not all africans are black some are more brown. The black people you speak of is a result of selection for melanin in equatorial regions. The first Africans were much more likely to be more brown. As people settle in the areas of highest UV you start getting selection for darker skin, as it has clear survival advantage in those areas. It is well accepted that the first modern humans spread out from Africa, but we were certainly not once all black. whites may have been darker similar to “brown” groups , however dark skin is an example of selection in a high UV environment.

  56. I’m with Butch! Despite all the “facts” laid out by whomever the nameless navel-gazer is who wrote this reply … be assured that you DON’T represent “all rational, intelligent Aussies” who have the common sense to look at history and to what’s happening today beyond our lucky shores at the irreparable social damage being done by the small minority of Muslims in most other westernised nations. Look at Holland & France! Butch may have added a little bit of “hyper-bole” as our bogan Prime Minister would say. But the fact is, there are too many Australians doing it much tougher in our own land than these ‘refugees’ who have been all but invited to invade our shores by an inept Federal government. How about the Australian families who are too scared to let Centrelink know of their plight through fear of their children being taken from them and put into foster care. Australian families who, through no fault of their own (eg job loss, mortgage foreclosure) are living on the streets whilst ‘refugees’ are accommodated in motels. How about our old age pensioners who can’t afford to pay for electricity – but the ‘refugees’ are the ones who get the hardship allowance. Gosh, how much harder does it need to get for our own before we give them a better deal than invaders? Butch has stood up for our country and has the right to express a view that, despite some minor errors of fact, actually represents the view of the MAJORITY of Australians as far as I can tell. Butch is also right in many of his examples because Muslim doctrine strives to bring down the standard of living that generations of Australians have fought and worked hard to achieve. Muslims are taught to lie and to cheat all infidels, whom they regard as lower than dogs … so we can’t believe a word that comes out of their mouths. Butch is right to make sure that Australians stop the Muslim rot before we become like Holland. The 3% of Muslims in Australia is already too many. Australia has been a Christian nation for over 200 years, we should NOT have to worry about political correctness just because the looney leftists in Australia don’t want to offend a 3% minority who regard us as lower than dogs! Keep up the good work Butch … and rest assured that the majority of “rational, intelligent Aussies” are right behind you and behind a Christian Australia – with Santa Claus, Christmas carols, bacon sandwiches and all.
    Bill Cross
    (a proud Australian who, like Butch, has worn the uniform to defend what this wonderful country stands for).

    • I’m with Butch!

      We are happy for both of you :p

      And what’s wrong with the writer’s facts? Without evidence you do not have facts, just opinions which in your case are merely emotive explosions based on anti-Muslim propaganda.

      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

      ― Christopher Hitchens

      Australia has been a Christian nation for over 200 years

      Rubbish! Australia is a secular country whose Constitution does not uphold any religion.

      Bacon sarnies are not Christmas fare.

      And we don’t believe you got past cadets at high school either.

    • “be assured that you DON’T represent “all rational, intelligent Aussies”

      True. And in the next few paragraphs you decided to prove that you definately don’t represent any rational intelligent Australians. Let’s begin, shall we?

      ” who have the common sense to look at history”

      What history? The fact that we’ve had Muslims in Australia since before Federation, without any widespread social change? The fact that ALL new migrant groups are viewed with suspicion in the first generation, only to be accepted and seen as examples of “good” migrants within the second generation and onwards? Which history books are you reading?

      “irreparable social damage being done by the small minority of Muslims in most other westernised nations. Look at Holland & France! ”

      Please tell me, in specific detail, how Australia is exactly the same as Holland and France, and how we have copied Holland and France in any way shape or form.

      Incidentally-glad to see you agree that the vast majority of Muslims are not causing social damage. And yet you want to punish the majority for the crimes of the few-is that right? Should all white males be punsihed for Ivan Milat and Martin Bryant then?

      “How about the Australian families who are too scared to let Centrelink know of their plight through fear of their children being taken from them and put into foster care. ”

      Please tell me exactly how people who are afraid to tell support services how much they need support will be in any way supported or have their lifestyle improved by banning all refugees from arriving.

      Incidentally, how do you know of Australian families who refuse to tell anyone how much they need financial support-considering they’re scared that Centrelink will find out and all?

      ” Australian families who, through no fault of their own (eg job loss, mortgage foreclosure) are living on the streets whilst ‘refugees’ are accommodated in motels.”

      Ah, so you care about the homeless! Brilliant, so do I! Let’s work together-how are you currently supporting those who are homeless? Name you nearest capital city, I’ll see who the local housing support services are, and I know they’ll be glad of your help, financial or otherwise.

      Incidentally, the main reasons for living on the streets are not in the main job loss, mortgage foreclosure-etc. People who lose their house in those situations rarely if ever go on to the street, they stay with friends and families. People who end up on the street have far more complicated situations than that-but I imagine as you just use them as a reason to hate brown people you don’t take time to actually try and get a deeper understanding of the problem.

      “How about our old age pensioners who can’t afford to pay for electricity – but the ‘refugees’ are the ones who get the hardship allowance. Gosh, how much harder does it need to get for our own before we give them a better deal than invaders? ”

      Asylum seekers especially but even refugees get about $200 a fortnight less than pensioners. So you’re complaining that refugees are getting less money, is that right?

      “Butch has stood up for our country and has the right to express a view that, despite some minor errors of fact, actually represents the view of the MAJORITY of Australians as far as I can tell. ”

      Source-“As far as I can tell”
      Well that’s a pretty reliable source. But dammit, I got a contradictory one. Becuase my source “As far as I can see” actually disagree with everything Butch has said, and thinks he has a silly name.
      Do you have anything more reliable than you asking the five people who are within arms reach to agree with you?

      “Muslims are taught to lie and to cheat all infidels, whom they regard as lower than dogs … so we can’t believe a word that comes out of their mouths.”

      Have you ever met a Muslim? Always a good question to ask, I find, Bill, because honestly, I think sometimes that if I told you Muslims could all fly you’d believe it too.

      By the way, how is your belief that all Muslims are liars any different from EVERY SINGLE RACIST response to EVERY SINGLE ETHNIC Group-seriously, the Chinese got it, the Jews were seen that way too, but this time, you’re sure you’re right.

      Anyway, source for your allegation that all Muslims are taught to lie and cheat ALL “infidels”-word for word source please.

      “The 3% of Muslims in Australia is already too many. ”

      But you just said that the majority of Muslims are not causing society damage. But now 3% is too many? How is the 3%-,which you have said are in the majority not causing any society damage-deserving of punishment?

      “Australia has been a Christian nation for over 200 years, ”

      Yeah-fuck the Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, and atheists-you get out! Australia is apparently a theocracy now!

      ” rest assured that the majority of “rational, intelligent Aussies””

      Again, no evidence whatsoever that anyone in Australia is following someone called Butch.

      And now Bill would like to describe Christian Australia to you all. Here’s what makes Australia Christian:

      “with Santa Claus,”

      Yes, Christianity is all about Coca Cola.

      ” Christmas carols,”

      And Christianity apparently only occurs between 1-25th of December. The rest of the year, it’s off.

      “bacon sandwiches and all.”

      Ys, that’s right. My belief system, that a man was born in the loweliest position in society to become a great teacher, to teach respect and love between all people, to support the downtrodden, the poor, the neglected, and give them compassion and love, and most of all, die for our sins, so that we would live forever-this belief system, which to me at least, is beautiful, can be summarised as:

      Bacon sandwiches. Yes, my millenia long religion, is represented by a sandwich that will give you a coronary infarction (BTW-is it just me, or are the crazies now taking up Bacon sandwiches as a cause seleb, despite the fact that Bacon sandiwches are actually pretty dull flavour wise. Don’ get me wrong-I like bacon, but put it with some eggs on toast, maybe some beans, or in a burger, in a pasta sauce-there’s literally so many options-to stick it between two slices of bread is really just you punishing yourself and wasting bacon).

      Fuck you Bill. You can start defending my religion when you start to understand it (And Christianity is for life-not just for Christmas by the way! At least celebrate Pentecost and Easter-they’re kinda important!)

      JM

      (A proud Australian who, unlike Bill Cross and Butch, does support the homeless, the elderly and needy, and their carers, all while support asylum seekers as well. And he didn’t even have to shoot anyone to do this).

    • Oh brother.
      Immigration to Australia is at a historical low compared to the past. Prior to 1970 we were taking in over 200,000 people per year. Since then we have taken much smaller numbers both numerically and as a percentage of our population. We are not being ‘invaded’.
      As for your claims about Pensioners aside from those who listen to the Alan Jones Show most pensioners can afford their power bills, even more so since the Gillard Government raised the pension (twice in the last 5 years as opposed to never under the Howard govt). In addition every power company has low-income and pensioner assistance packages.
      Your claim about having their children taken away is just stupid given how difficult it is for any government agency to do so, even in cases of abuse and neglect.
      Finally your claim about Australia being a Christian nation is debunked by a reading of the Australian consitution.
      “s116: The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.”
      This section was in the constitution from the beginning – our secular state and tolerance of religion is not ‘political correctness’ but a foundation of modern Australia.

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