Anti-Muslim Rally Draws 600,000,000 People to Rozelle, NSW

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Report by Nick Folkes on the Protest held 24 January 2014

Last Friday’s protest was called to highlight the unfortunate rape of yet another Australian woman by a Muslim asylum seeker. The victim has joined a growing list of Australian women who have been sexually assaulted due to the past Labor government’s ‘open borders’ policy on illegal boat people.

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Sorry, did we say the rally attracted 600,000,000 people? That was a mistake. There were 5 people including the organiser Nicholas Folkes.

Now this is just damn confusing. I thought Australians stood against rape. And looking at the signs above, it appears that the message is that Australians are never guilty of it. It’s the Muslims who are doing all the raping.

So with a population of 7.239million in NSW, how come an anti-rape, pro womens’-rights rally only attracted 5 people? 

Perhaps people are smarter than Folkes gives them credit for. It’s one thing to oppose rape. It’s another to attribute all rape to a singular race or religion.

Here’s Trevor W Sullivan of the Nanango Christian Faith Centre – one of the lonely few commenters on Nicholas Folkes’ blog:

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Rape is a worldwide problem. Here is an important fact to keep in mind when considering whether or not an asylum seeker (who has few friends, family or contacts in a new, imposing foreign country) is going to be a rapist.

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Overwhelmingly, men are responsible for rape. Very few women, many, many men. Men from all walks of life. Different ages, different backgrounds, different religious and non-religious devotion. Why do Nick Folkes and his miniature army of cacafuegos refuse to address rape as a societal issue and instead choose to focus on Muslims and/or asylum seekers? 

A PERTH man has been jailed for 11 years after breaking into a woman’s home, threatening to murder her sleeping children and then brutally raping her – before forcing her to drive to an ATM and withdraw cash.

Cameron John Graham, 22, will have to serve at least nine years after the offence that Judge Christopher Stevenson said almost defied description.

After spending a decade behind bars, the serial sex offender had been out on parole for two years when he raped and strangled Melbourne woman Jill Meagher.

“They should never have let me out,” Adrian Bayley told police after confessing to killing Ms Meagher.

A JUDGE has labelled a serial rapist “cunning, devious and dishonest” as he sentenced him to serve 80% of a 20-year jail term.

John Collins, 74, was convicted after trial of sexually assaulting seven women, raping six of them, on his yacht, the Pan Pacific, off the Queensland coast between the Whitsundays and the Gold Coast from 1986 to 2000.

A Canberra serial child molester has been sentenced to seven-and-a-half years in jail for the public rape of a three-year-old girl and the racially motivated bashing of his neighbour.

In September, Shane Williams, 40, from Campbell, was making his way to a police station for his annual sex offender check-in when he decided to stop at the Belconnen Library to use the toilets.

He was browsing the books inside when a three-year-old girl wandered over to him and said hello. He then sexually assaulted her.

Eighteen year olds Norman Kernan and Ginger Green were this afternoon each sentenced to 15 years in prison for the armed robbery and multiple rapes of two European tourists who were sleeping in their car in a suburban street in Alice Springs in May last year. The offenders’ non-parole periods were set at nine years.

In case you’re new to the blog, here are a bunch of other fails that Nicholas Folkes, Darrin Hodges and Sergio Redegalli have been the face of.


1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead  (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.”  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.  So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'”  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped.  These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more.  How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites    (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

    They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.  All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle.  They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.  Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.  They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.  After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

    Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.  But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.  “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded.  “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor.  They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people.  Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage   (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

     As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

4) Laws of Rape   (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker?  Answer: God

5) Death to the Rape Victim   (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim.  He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house.  I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor.  He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight.  You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

    Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”  Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.  But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.”  [The child dies seven days later.]

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible.  God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist.  What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil?  And then he kills a child!  This is sick, really sick!

7)  Rape of Female Captives   (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house.  But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb.  After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife.  However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

8)  Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.   (Judges 5:30 NAB)

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.   (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

39 thoughts on “Anti-Muslim Rally Draws 600,000,000 People to Rozelle, NSW

  1. *sigh* Yes, no matter if we’re talking about child or adult rape, the odds are high that the victim will know their attacker. The idea that people from other countries are coming here to violate our women is laughable, but it has an old history. It’s just a recognisable trigger point to try to create a brainless and emotional response. It is pathetic. And the media loves to keep us in a lather about the idea of ‘a pedo in your street’, fed by glory hounds like Derryn Hinch who appears to have no regard for the impact of his actions on the lives of others, so long as the ratings are good. I can’t stand that man….

    It also has nothing to do with Christianity, although I am depressed to see that a religious veneer is also being used by the people in the story to try to make their actions seem legitimate. Just like not all men are rapists, not all Christians think in the ways represented above.

  2. I counted seven people BTW, not five. That’s 40% more than you claimed, so you’re clearly setting out to misrepresent the groundswell of support this movement has 😛

    I do wonder if they have any ties to the Westborough Baptist Church, beyond being similarly consumed by hate and ignorance ?

  3. Just saw the bottom section. Just to point out one ‘example’, point 4:

    “What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God”

    The reasons for this were as follows:

    Once a man was married to a woman, she had rights of welfare and protection. a woman who was not a virgin was unlikely to find a husband, and in a patriarchal society, a law like this did several things

    1 – it created a long term obligation and cost to the rapist, designed to act as a deterrent

    2 – in a society where women relied on men for their sustenance, this provided a woman who was raped, with a means of support. In the absence of a welfare system, who apart from her attacker should be made to care for her ?

    I’m not saying I support the core of such a system, but if you look at it in terms of the society it existed in, it was actually meant to support the victims of rape, and deter rapists.

    Did you also know that the Bible mandated forms of welfare ? For example, if you had a field, you were only to harvest from the centre, and leave the edges for people who were unable to feed themselves, to come and help themselves. It’s easy to cherry pick passages that seem inexcusable to the modern mind, and I don’t deny that some are, but, within the framework of the society that existed, you can draw a line from passages like this, to the invention of charity and the movement to stop slavery, both of which came about in Western society as a result of people who read the Bible and tried to apply it’s principles to the world around them.

    Just like it’s a mistake to realise that Abraham Lincoln was ultimately a racist and assume that negates all he did to end slavery ( it’s not surprising his attitudes were a product of his age ), it’s a mistake to assume that parts of the Bible that applied to societies that existed 3000 years ago, should assume a society that reflected not just the values, but the social structures that we enjoy today.

    • Shows you how fucked up the Bronze Age was. Especially for women.

      Many women are deserting religion in droves. They realise that religion doesn’t want them and that they don’t need it.

  4. You seem to have forgotten about how several of the Australian Protectionist Party crew were involved in raising funds to support Jill Meager’s Murderer/Rapist at trial. Some claiming he was innocent.
    These people aren’t interested in justice, and preventing rape. Indeed they have often subjected women to abuse themselves, and often subjugate them.
    This is all about just using a nasty adverse word, that they are trying to associate with a race.

    • I thought the APP was bad when they said a victim of child sex trafficking should be shot in the head for wanting to sue the men involved in her trafficking. The victim was Asian of course, which lead to other commenters saying that all young Asian women were prostitutes-literally every single one (I can’t remember the particular commenter’s name, but remember he was featured here for allegedly encouraging underage Asian girls to be naked on a webcam-no surprises there).

      And then there’s the stony silence on all violent crimes involving white people. He’ll, I remember when a little black girl was killed by a dog who was not properly secured, the party supported the dog!

  5. If you’re going to copy wholesale from you should probably link to the source material.

    And in response to Christian, if god (or the writers of the bible) actually cared about women (this alleged ever loving, all knowing god), then one of the commandments would be “DO NOT RAPE” and women would be more than property.

    • I admit to not being Jewish ( we’re talking about the old testament, so we’re not talking about rules Christians follow, but rules that Israel followed ), so I may not have all the answers. For all that, I think that presenting a cherry picked list of verses like this is amusingly similar to people who claim that all Muslims are terrorists, which clearly does not fly around here ( and rightly so ).

      The verses before the one quoted:

      23 “If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor’s wife. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
      25 “But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. 26 But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbor, 27 because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help there was no one to rescue her

      I note that there’s a difference if the woman was betrothed and I agree that this reads as if women are property. I do wonder in what circumstances a woman was NOT betrothed, in a world of arranged marriages. The sentence for rape in this case was, in fact, death.

      The New Testament is clear that a man should only have sex with his wife. In that sense, rape is implicitly forbidden, it’s not singled out beyond fornication and adultery in general. But, in the NT, the overall concept is to treat other people the way you’d like to be treated, instead of long lists of rules being given. I’d say that excludes rape. Women in the NT are certainly not property, they are equal members of the church, and sometimes singled out as being especial contributors to it. A man is told to always love his wife and consider her needs before his own. Sure, it reads in a way you could take as condescending, it was still a patriarchal society, but, women’s rights and happiness are not considered a matter of no importance, or a matter of property rights.

    • Yeah it was a bit blatantly a copy of evil bible, but I didn’t see it as an attack on Christianity, just a response to the bigots who take random quranic verses to “prove” that all Muslims are evil, even the babies, by showing that all elisions look terrible if you treat them that way.

      Funnily enough, I know that Nick folkes calls himself a Christian, but never goes to church, because he thinks they’re too left wing now. And as a proud Christian who regularly goes to church, I can happily see why he felt he didn’t fit.

  6. I’m sorry but what Muslim rapists? Who is the person or people they are refereeing to? DO they want other rapists off the streets too or just Muslim ones? And ‘Aussie women are not halal meat’ are they trying to say that they want to eat us or something? Who are these people again?

    • Some racist idiots have admitted to me white people do rape, but it’s not as bad as when Muslims do it. No surprises to know that this was a man who said this to me.

        • They didn’t clarify too much, but did say that white rapists were better because they didn’t come In gangs. But really, they’re real reason for seeing one as worse is that rape isn’t want they hate, it’s any form of sexual contact between a nonwhite male and white female.

        • …did say that white rapists were better because they didn’t come In gangs

          They have short memories. For example, there were the Anita Cobby and Janine Balding cases.

          Rape is notoriously still under-reported in Australia despite reforms to policing practices and rules of evidence.

    • In answer to your questions:
      We were referring to the most recent accused perpetrator of the rape on Anzac bridge, an Iranian Muslim asylum seeker. I could list a multitude of such cases in Sydney over the last 10-15 years.
      If you can’t understand the moniker ‘Aussie women are not halal meat’ you won’t get my answer.
      We want ALL rapists punished according to community standards, people are tired of lenient sentences for violent crimes such as rape.
      Who are we? We are the enemy of fascism, tyranny and injustice. We are the Party for Freedom, the new resistance!

      • I could list a multitude of such cases in Sydney over the last 10-15 years.

        Then do so.

        And while you are at it how many Australian non-Muslim men have been charged and convicted with rape?

        We are the enemy of fascism, tyranny and injustice. We are the Party for Freedom, the new resistance!

        No you’re not you’re a bunch of dreary Fascist wannabes.

  7. The reason more have not commented or turned up for a rally is because it has been kept under raps.Why is the information being kept from the public?

    • Because they know that most of the public are not interested in a bunch of shouty bigoted failures.

      The police regard monitoring this lot as equivalent to watching grass grow at the bowling green.

      When they get a handful of the same tedious old turds turning up they then write it up as a “success”.

    • So, a political organisation calls a rally, and no one turns up. Conclusion – “It only failed because someone (Who?) hid the information, preventing people from turning up”

      I’ve been to a few successful rallies in my time, the type that roads were closed for, receiving national and in one case international news. And in all cases it involved information he Government didn’t want people to know about. We still got thousands marching-because we were good at getting the word out.

      The big problem with the ADL, APP, Freedom party, or whatever they’re calling themselves this week is they honestly believe that everyone is just going to find out about them, and instantly fall in love with their ideals. They do not try to publicise themselves, or attempt to make themselves appealing. To do so would risk admitting their views are unattractive to the public.

      And that is why they always fail. Always

  8. Where was Darrin Hodges? It seems Nick has had a massive falling out with Darrin . Those 2 used to be inseparable in their stupidity

  9. As one of those “5” people (actually 10) hopefully you have the decency to post my comments. Firstly, the rally was not an ‘anti-muslim rally’. It was a rally against sexual violence against women: insufficient sentencing of ALL rapists & child sex offenders, and highlighting the high rate of foreign (often Muslim) sex criminals in Sydney. Many perps being actual asylum seekers, including the one in Rozelle. Before you cry ‘racist’ (ho-hum), I would challenge you to look at the facts, which are these: Sex crimes are perpetrated by all races, cultures and religions and unfortunately, misogyny exists in all countries. But in what ideologies are misogyny and sexual violence endorsed not only in the religion, but the law and politics? You know the answer though you dare not say it. One merely has to spend even twenty-minutes researching this issue to discover that Muslim men are grossly over-represented in the criminal justice system in NSW, especially in relation to violent and sexual crimes. Could deeply ingrained misogynistic behaviours manifest in an increased rate of rape in the Islamic community? No, you wouldn’t believe that would you?

    • As one of those “5″ people (actually 10)…

      So you are publicly admitting to firstly being anti-Muslim, thus a bigot, and secondly to supporting violence and hate against Muslims?

      Yes or no

      It was a rally against sexual violence against women

      Led by a man whose poor attitude towards women is well-known and which has been documented here.

      the high rate of foreign (often Muslim) sex criminals in Sydney.

      Some reliable statistics please or GTFO

      I would challenge you to look at the facts

      We await your production of facts (not your feelpinions) with interest

      Muslim men are grossly over-represented in the criminal justice system in NSW


      deeply ingrained misogynistic behaviours

      Yep, Straya has been pretty bad news for women since 1788.

    • So, Andy, all your banners identified Muslims, but it was not an anti Muslim rally ? Perhaps you should think more carefully about what you paint on your signs then !! Either way, if we were to castrate all rapists, and then hang them a week later, people like you would still complain, and assume that what you read in the paper makes you a better judge of a criminal case, than those who know all the facts. We’ve come a long way from deporting people for stealing bread, the system is not designed to hurt people because they hurt us.

      Assuming for a moment that Islam does indeed teach violence to women, and that Islamic countries enshine such things in law ( although it’s not true ). The people who approve of such things, are they fleeing from those countries, towards countries where such things are frowned upon ? Why would they do such a thing ? Why are they here ?

      You do know that the images that fly around Facebook purporting to be evidence of child marriage and violence towards women are all fake, right ?

      I actually googled, but there’s too much hate propaganda on the web to reliably research such a thing. Even if it’s true, does this mean that dark skinned people are all violent, on the basis of US prison populations ? Or does it mean that poor people are more likely to commit crime, and people who have to deal with prejudice, get a rougher ride through the justice system ?

      Please provide some actual links to reliable sites and I’ll gladly read them, but, over representation in prison can represent a lot of things apart from being more likely to commit a crime. Either way, it’s a long way from justifying the sort of ignorant display you put on, where I don’t see any attempt to be clear that you don’t believe that all Muslims are rapists ( which is clearly not true, and clearly what your display implied was your belief ).

    • Andy, so when will Party for freedom be protesting at the Salvation Army for decades of sexual abuse against innocent children? I presume the majority of these offenders were Muslim? And what’s happened to Darrin hodges, did you replace him as Nick’s best friend?

      • Hate to me pedantic-but the last picture shows 8 pairs of legs. +1 to take a picture, you get 9.

        But we are really just splitting hairs here. The Freedom party got so few members it wouldn’t be able to make either a cricket team, or an AFL team. How Unaustralian is that?

        On the other hand, they have just enough members to create a cover band of popular Korean pop group “Girl’s Generation” And I think I know of at least one member who would think that would be a great way to get attention.

  10. They all look a bunch of very untidy people and possibly have no jobs or nothing better to do. Maybe they are rent a crowd. A lot of women lie and it does not necessarily mean the person is truthful and I am not sure but I think they are entitled to money under the Victims Compensation Act. Some women’s behaviour is disgusting to there should be a thorough investigation into her before charges are laid against anyone. Does she know him. Was she wandering the streets at night.
    These people have no right to protest unless the full background of the woman known and has she made allegations before against others or is she anti-muslim. Two sides to every story but unfortunately in this country the attitude is woman is always right. If they lie no charges are laid against them or no gaol term which is wrong.

    • It’s crazy to suggest no woman ever lies about rape. It’s also INSANE to suggest this happens more than rarely, or is in any way a problem comparable to the problem of women being raped and deserving full support of our social and legal systems for something that is never their fault.

      Sure, each criminal case should seek to prove rape, beyond reasonable doubt. That’s how all our legal system works. If a woman claims she was raped, the system should assume she is telling the truth and only punish her if she’s found to have lied. That’s also how our legal system works.

      • That is a really great way to put it. I’ve seen a lot of opinion going about, especially after the Woody Allen allegations, pushing for innocent until proven guilty, but this ignores that to give a presumption of innocence to an accused rapist, you are therefore also giving a presumption of guilt to the rape accuser.

        I think I have mentioned this elsewhere, but I also like an opinion I read on a sexual assault victim support group, separating the question of legal guilt or innocence (Which is out of our hands unless we are a jury) to how we should act. And that group was happy to approve of “innocent until proven guilty” for accused rapists in a legal sense, as long as we treat those who are the victims as innocent until proven guilty, reflecting that victims will need social support regardless of a legal outcome, and that too many victims lose friends just because it is easier to be friend of an accused.

        • Well, yes, the name of the accused should not be bandied about, if at all possible ( and certainly not published ). But, on aggregate, I suspect if you did a study, you’d find that most women who claim to have been raped AND point the finger at someone, will have been. And, it’s just not acceptable for a raped woman EVER to feel like her story is being doubted or that she’s being accused of anything, prior to evidence that such an accusation is warranted.

  11. Look at the Salvation Army what they have been doing to children and they are not Muslims and the Government and people are still donating to them.

    • I’m not sure I get your point. Of course the salvos do great work with people of all ages, but if you create an organization that has access to kids, then people who want to abuse kids will see that as a way to get access. Is your point that just like a few bad eggs do not make the salvos a group designed to abuse kids, a few terrorists do not define Islam ?

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