208 thoughts on “The World Refugee Burden

  1. Yeah real smart. These are all neighbouring muslim countries! Going across the boarder and then later returning is VERY DIFFERENT to coming to another continent and with a different ethnicity and culture of people.

  2. Think about how much money Western countries give in aid to all these countries. The US giving money to Egypt, and many more, Australia giving 500 million a year to PNG. Look at how westerners are treated. Hacked to death in PNG, Acid attacks by Islamic extremists such as on the once non Muslim Island of Zanzibar off Tanzania. Shot dead because you are a westerner by Islamic Somali terrorists in Kenya. Drugged and raped in Dubai and then sent to jail because someone drugged and raped you!

    But according to some people everything will always be westerners faults.
    Think about the Islamic extremists that took over Mali and killed and burned down library’s and other places of significance. You can do nothing, or you can stop these terrorists. The French the colonial occupiers came in and drove the Islamic extremists out, and the Mali people were very grateful. Stop blaming westerners, start blaming Islam.

    • Look at how Australians are treated in Australia by other Australians. Hacked to death, burned with acid, raped, beaten.

      Hardly soley an Islamist problem.

    • Nissan leaf, your facts may come from a badly burnt Courier Mail that you’ve recently rolled into a joint to get high on, but stop trying to inform the rest of us of your misinformation and adventures in la-la land.
      “Australia giving 500 million a year to PNG. Look at how westerners are treated. Hacked to death in PNG”.
      Really?
      Wanna check that one again bird-brain.
      Besides what warrants a mention of this CHRISTIAN country in your rant against Islam?
      Put the joint down, eat some pizza, have a sleep and stop ramming your foot so firmly and publicly in your mouth.

      • Birds have a large encephalization ratio infact some small birds have a larger brain to body ratio than humans.
        So calling me bird brain is not really an insult as birds tend to be fairly intelligent creatures. Yes Australia does give 500 million in Aid money every year to PNG. All checks welcome. It’s not the only Aid money we give out.
        I think that it’s ridiculous that we give so much money in Aid. No other non Western countries do. You can check that also. The burden is taken up by westerners.

  3. When it comes to stopping Terrorism you can either do nothing and permit terrorism or

    You can actively work to stop it such as what the west is doing.

    To do nothing is to permit it.

    You either support terrorism or you don’t.

    There is not much scope for in between.

    • Name the last terrorist attack in Australia…

      There have been none since the Hilton bombing.

      Bali was an attack upon Balinese Indonesians. Westerners were collateral damage.

      Terrorist attacks are designed to terrorise their own people. That’s why so many take place in Muslim countries or in countries with a large Muslim population.

      “The West” is doing fuck-all to prevent terrorism. If they withdrew from Afghanistan, ramped up foreign aid to poor countries, leaned on tinpot dictators and despots, recognised Palestine and put pressure on Israel to do the same then you might say they were doing something.

      • Bali was attacked because it is popular with Westerners, and many of the victims were Westerners.

        The West has incurred huge cost because of terrorism. Huge.

        To have the world trade centre destroyed and rebuilt?
        The terrorist haven of Afghanistan?

        these are huge costs. Don’t say that the West is not doing anything. What are other countries doing?

        How many troops has China sent to Afghanistan?

        I have a question for everyone here
        Should the Talliban and Al-Qaeda be left to go about their business of global terrorism?

        Is that what you guys would advocate. Just let Al-Qaeda do their thing.

        • Bali was attacked because the laid-back Balinese lifestyle and the Hinduism which underpins it is anathema to extremists. It was a message to the rest of the largely moderate and democratic Indonesian population.

          Terrorist attacks are ALWAYS about sending a message to the terrorists’ own. Westerners if present just add to the bloodshed.

          The Westgate attack in Kenya was aimed at the Kenyatta Government because it intervened as part of the African Union response to terrorism in Somalia. Nothing to do with the West.

          Err which Al-Qaeda? There are several. They are like Maccas. Independent boys’ club terrorist franchises.

          If the West were such a desirable target we’d have white Western terrorist groups – well we do from time to time. Anders Breivik and his idiotic followers. The far right street thugs like Golden Dawn and all those laughable “Defence Leagues” who cannot find their own dicks.

          Why don’t you read something else other than rubbish US-based conspiracy websites for a change? You won’t win arguments here, we are too well-informed.

    • Terrorism – you mean causing the death of 600,000+ Iraqi civilians on some made-up premise that there were weapons of mass destruction there?

    • So would you mind telling me how the Bali bombings or the World trade centre attacks or London bombings were caused by the West?

      Osama Bin Laden, top bloke was he?

      “the West isn’t doing something about terrorism”

      Interesting that you really believe that the west is doing nothing,(“isn’t doing something”) about terrorism and that they are perpetuating it? Interesting.

      So you live in Australia, a Western country, and you certainly don’t identify with or support Westerners and you think that they are responsible?

  4. So in civil wars and terrorist havens, Westerners should not intervene even if the terrorists are attacking their own innocent people in other parts of the world like England and America?

    But Western countries should continue to

    give out Aid money ?

    And take more refugees?

    I totally disagree. We should not be forced to take any refugees, the problem is in the middle East and Africa, they should go to neighbouring countries.
    More importantly the Islamic extremists need to be stopped!

    • Vietnam isn’t in Africa or the middle east. Is Burma?

      You seem to be under the impression all terrorists are Muslims. This has never been the case.

      • You talk about neo nazi’s Ian, but all these terrorists attacks are committed by Muslims and there is a strong Islamic element associated with all these terror attacks.

        September 11, the Bali bombings, the london bombings, the Boston Marathon, the soldier hacked to death on a street in England. All in the name of Islam.
        When are we going to talk about this extreme Islam as a problem?

        • When you start talking about the large numbers of factors which cause terrorism. Not what religion they are.

          You cannot string together a number of unrelated incidents and blow it into a conspiracy theory.

          If Islam is the “big” factor, why does Muslim Indonesia routinely pursue, arrest and execute terrorists? Same with Pakistan.

          Why don’t you analyse it from the perspective of poverty and unemployment? The lasting legacy of Western colonialism which created the Palestinian problem? Disaffected young men (a problem in all countries)? The over-reaction of Western governments in the past (Dubya we are looking at you)

        • Yes but your analysis is ill-informed, simplistic and underlined by your hatred of Muslims.

          Can you imagine if people judged Christians (or Westerners generally) by Anders Breivik, Golden Dawn, the Ustashi, the Klan?

          Do we judge Jews by the Irgun and the Stern Gang?

          There was a time when Nelson Mandela and Xanana Gusmao were called “terrorists”.

          Getting back to Kenya, the father of their current President who freed his country from the colonialists was labelled a terrorist by them.

          Every single case you attempt to bring up has an individual history behind it. For instance, do you know that the Mujahadeen and Al-Qaeda were funded by the US specifically to fight the Soviets? That bin Laden was still on the US payroll when he was executed? He was long an agent of theirs who went rogue – his hatred stemmed from the cosy relationship the US has with the despotic Saudi regime. He was Saudi in origin.

        • You have that wrong about me hating Muslims. I see Muslims as no different to Christians in a lot of ways, but the extreme version of Islam does not respect people of other religions and cultures.
          I challenge the spin you are putting on this post about the West not doing enough and putting responsibility on the West. I don’t agree with this, no I don’t agree.

        • Naturally you’re distinguishing moderate muslims thne, in your desire to get rid of Islam in Australia, end multicutluralism, and inherent justification of Breivik’s killings as kinda the fault of multiculturalism, then?

          Nope? Are you going to blame all Muslims for the crimes of the few, while not ever blaming any other groups for the crimes of their extremists?

  5. Nissan Leaf, do you understand what refugees are? They are fleeing persecution in their own countries. They are not the terrorists. Persecution comes in many forms and the threat of a random car-bomb (for example) would not be one of them. Persecution is threat of vilification or death to an individual and their family personally because of who they are (race, sect, sexual orientation, whatever). Your response to refugees is to vilify them because you put your fear ahead of their desperation. Put yourself in their shoes and consider your options.

    • Umm – in Burma? Zimbabwean refugees in South Africa? Vietnamese refugees, still arriving in small numbers? Hindu Tamils from Sri Lanka?

      Get your facts straight if you want to post with the grownups.

  6. This is a very worthwhile read for anyone who wants to have an opinion about this issue: http://unhcr.org.au/unhcr/images/protecting%20refugees.pdf
    A couple important points:
    “The practice of granting asylum to people fleeing persecution in foreign lands is one of the earliest hallmarks of civilization.”
    “All (people) smugglers thrive on prohibition, so stronger borders and tightened visa restrictions have helped push more people – both refugees and economic
    migrants – into the arms of the smugglers.”

  7. Minus the Norway shooting which was directly related to multiculturalism, I’d say just about every attack since 2001 September the 11th.

    • You really don’t know much about terrorist attacks/groups do you.

      Plus the Norway shooting had nothing to do with multiculturalism. it had to do with someone that was mentally unstable having access to explosives and firearms

    • Wait, wait wait-so when a Muslim kills a bunch of people it’s “All Muslims are terrorists-we need to get rid of Muslims” but when a white non muslim kills a bunch of people it’s “This is to do with multiculturalism-we need to get rid of all the Muslims”?

      Do you plan on supporting the hopes of extremists all the time, or only when they’re white people? Any other victim blaming, like saying “If we only got rid of all the children, we wouldn’t have such a problem with paedophiles now would we?” or just guys who kill kids becuase thye hate Muslims get a justification?

  8. It was a direct, direct attack on multiculturalism by targeting the political party that relaxed the immigration of the country. How can it not be about multiculturalism, that’s all Anders talked about!

  9. So Ian you are a Norwegian citizen and at the same time an Australian Citizen and an English citizen.

    Mate I can tell straight away from your lack of knowledge and posts that you are not an ethnic Norwegian.

    And most people in Australia are pretty opposed to this non western immigration.

    • Based on the results of the last election about 1/2 a percent of people have a problem with multiculturalism. These are the people that voted for the anti multiculture parties.

      Liberals have never been imposed to people coming from different countries

    • Bullshit. Most Australians are not concerned at all about where immigrants are from. Most Australians are happy to know that people from overseas with skills are available to provide professional services in hospitals, schools, aged care homes and in a variety of other professions and trades because we do not produce enough of these people ourselves.

      Only racists and bigots obsess 24/7 about the ethnic composition of the population.

    • dude u do know that “westerners” actually refer to those that live in the western hemisphere right? australia is southern hemisphere so we cant be westerners at all… the only countries that fall in as “westerners” is south, central and north america…

  10. I happen to know and spent quite a bit of time with a few people from Norway and Sweden. You are not a Citizen of Norway, and most people of the 4.9 million people in Norway don’t want Islam or multiculturalism in the country.

    • They showed how they felt when their young people were murdered by neo-Nazi Breivik. Norwegians of all backgrounds stood together in the town square, linked hands and declared their hatred of extremism.

      That’s how much you DON’T know about Norway and Norwegians.

    • I have been told that in Sweden the problem of Swedish women being raped by Muslim immigrants was so bad that a rape protector belt was designed and is worn by some women. There is a lot of problems with Muslims all being welfare dependant also. Some areas are out of bounds to Swedish people, and this is in their own country. It’s no wonder Denmark and many other countries are now trying to kick out the Muslims and have tightened up on immigration. The societal damage is irrefutable.

  11. Do you blame them, who would want a peaceful place become unsafe because of multiculturalism. Australians don’t want Islam or multiculturalism either.

    • If that was the case, the outcome of the election would have been different. It wasn’t. Liberals have never had an issue with mass immigration.

    • Wrong, Nissan. Australia is and has for the last century been a multicultural society, and thankfully that’s not set to change any time soon. Bigots such as yourself won’t change that.

      And what “peaceful” places are you talking about? Cronulla? True, Muslims are over-represented in crime statistics – but when 50% of a given population is aged 24 and under then such over-representation is inevitable. I myself was brought home by the police more than once when I was a teenager. If you can provide solid data that Muslims are more violent as a people than any other religion than we might start taking you and your bigotry seriously, but until then we’ll keep laughing at your hilarious, and unsubstantiated, statements.

    • Again, you’ll have evidence that the majority of people in Australia oppose multicutlrualism? I mean, evidence which is stronger than that big ol’ election we had a few weeks back where all anti-multiculturalism parties got virtually no support at all, because that’s pretty convincing!

  12. Oh guys, protestant Irish in the IRA killed a bunch of people in terrorist attacks. Christians are inherently violent and untrustworthy! Deport the Christians!

  13. I think you are all wasting time answering to this Nissan Leaf guy/girl or whatever it is. Go travel, meet people from other places, that makes you richer and smarter. I have lived in four countries so far because of work, I’m a creative director, a musician and a Football coach and player (I mean american football), those countries are USA, Argentina, Mexico, and currently in Norway, I have learned so much by being in contact with the people i work with, I played music with and I coached and taught the game of football from other countries outside the USA. I’m, married to a beautiful norwegian girl, had friends from more than 15 countries attending my wedding and I have had a blast with all of them.

    Multiculturalism is great, black people are outstanding athletes and talented musicians or entrepreneurs, Asians are smart, Europeans are cool and savvy, Latinos are fun and full of life, Americans are devoted and committed, Australians are great fun crazy people (meant in a good way), middle easterns are interesting, scandinavians are beautiful people. Every culture, race and country has more than ten great things.

    And hey…breaking news! there are bad, crazy, fucked up, mindless people everywhere in the world, in every country in every city in every town, white, black, hispanic, asian, gay, straight, Arab, men, women, even kids. There will always be someone trying to fuck up.

    chill, relax, enjoy how different we are, learn from it and leave the fights to the politicians, remember that war and religion are some of the biggest financial institutions, and people creating those things have reasons far beyond our knowledge to do what they do and will not stop.

    Don’t get your facts from CNN, go travel and see it for yourselves. just sayin’

    cheers!

    • Great stereotyping and sweeping generalisations. You are not the only person who has travelled. Some of us even can see the people of different nations to our own as individuals who do not fall into your highly opinionated categories. Thankyou for displayong your total ignorance for the multifaceted layers of personality and abilities that are unique to people as individuals not a token for an entire nation. If it was up to you you would say there is only two types of sexual orientation, gay and straight. But people are far more layered than that, a girl might be mostly attracted to men, but fall in love with a woman. I personally don’t believe in trying to cayegorize people. I find it offensive. Who says all Asians are smart, some might be very attractive and smart and funny. You imply that people only possess one significant quality. I don’t agree or accept your opinions or way of categorizing people. Your view is very unworldly and egocentric.

      • So generalising and making negative assumptions about Nissan and positive assumptions about other cultures is WRONG, according to you, but condemning all other races and cultures as destroying the west because of the crimes of the few is perfectly okay, is that right Nissan?

        Seems a bit of a contradiction to me.

        And that topic of sexuality is completely irrelevent and makes me think you’re a troll just trying to get attention (Which admittedly is totally working!).

        “I personally don’t believe in trying to cayegorize people. ”

        So when you say multiculturalism and Islam is destroying the West, how exactly are you not categorising all Muslims?

        • I’m sorry JM I am categorising all Muslims, I really need to take a good hard look at myself. Islam and multiculturalism poses no problem in Australia

        • I suspect you’re being sarcastic, but then again I previously suspected you were an attention seeking troll, but the complaint that Muslims are daring to voice an opinion on our clothing choices (How DARE they? I mean, really, it’s like they’re people with opinions and stuff), really set me right.

          So I do hope you take a look at yourself, look at the really big contradiction between what sort of person you’d like to think you are, and what sort of person your beliefs say you are, and try to rectify that.

        • I didn’t say that I was sorry! You wrote that. I totally disagree with you, Islam is a problem and it’s not welcome in Australia period. Don’t put words in my mouth.

        • Ok I’ve not into playing games here, it’s a good thing I didn’t write my name down with you saying that I have a 4 inch penis. How would you know anything like that? And how mature, a serious discussion and you resort to school yard jokes.

        • “:I didn’t say that I was sorry!”

          I wrote that? How exactly? Using my amazing psychic powers? Someone forgot to put on their tinfoil hat.

          “I totally disagree with you, Islam is a problem and it’s not welcome in Australia period. Don’t put words in my mouth.”

          I was joking about the tin foil hat. I don’t control your computer. I have no super powers.

          But if you’re going to keep on saying Islam is a problem (BECAUSE THEY INSULT OUR CLOTHING!!!!!!!!! Why couldn’t they just threaten to kill our children, like good Australian groups like the APP do?)…perhaps do you mind answering one of the many questions posted here, asking you how exactly Islam is any more of the problem, deserving of restrictions, than say….any other group in society?

          ” it’s a good thing I didn’t write my name down with you saying that I have a 4 inch penis. How would you know anything like that?”

          Oh you are so a troll. I did think at one point your comments were a result of an annoyed admin trying to get rid of you, but you’re so obviously a troll now, but I have to say-
          You’re not exactly denying the accusation. More “How did you know I was being racist to make up for my lack of endowment”?

          Moreover, if you want to discuss yourself seriously, there are plenty of questions on this page you have repeatedly ignored.

        • My dick is bigger than 4 inches. I think there are more problems than just Islam in the world, however I acknowledge Islam, especially in the extreme form to be a problem. You don’t and I won’t change your mind.
          I was shocked at the severe bias and misrepresentation of this post that I chose to comment and expose this incredible misrepresentation of information. To suggest that we are not doing enough or even to suggest that we have any responsibility at all to take refugees is a big call and one that I totally disagree with.

        • ” however I acknowledge Islam, especially in the extreme form to be a problem. You don’t and I won’t change your mind.”

          No, you’re wrong. I do acknowledge extremist islam to be a problem, just as I do all extremism. I do not see it as more a problem for Australia than anything else, nor do I believe we are justified in condemning all Muslims based on the crimes of a few.

          As for changing my mind, I’m happy to change my mind when someone actually presents a well researched, convincing fact based argument.

          I have asked you to give examples of how Muslims are demanding you change your lifestyle. You have chosen not to do so.

          I have asked you to provide evidence of your claim that the wast majority of Arabs (Or Indians-you’re not sure) are not kind people. You have chosen not to do so.

          I have asked you to explain how the comments you have read from Muslims criticisng clothing are somehow more severe than comments from other groups calling for the murder/extermination of other people. You have chosen not to do so.

          I have asked you for evidence that the majority of Australians oppose Islam and multiculturalism. You have repeatedly chosen not to do so.

          So it seems your style of convincing people about the veracity of your argument is to say “I’m right” over and over again. Funnily this isn’t convincing.

    • It’s people like you who believe that fires start just because we have a hot day and the temperature gets over 30 degrees. The ignition temperature of wood is 300 degrees! These fires start because idiots go and light them. Or equally as bad, brainless idiots throw cigarettes butts out the car window.

      Most regular white Australians, hell, just most white Australians, oppose Islam in Australia. Fact.

      • Umm, broken glass magnifying heat, leaves catch fire, dry grass, Lots of things can start bushfires.

        “Most regular white Australians, hell, just most white Australians, oppose Islam in Australia. Fact.”

        Again, evidence to support the claim that most Australians oppose Islam in Australia. Any evidence at all.

        And what do you mean by “regular” Australians? Do you mean just “People who agree with me on this issue are regular”, because Nissan, you’ve started talking about sexuality in a random conversation….you’re not exactly regular.

        • I’m not talking about sexuality, I’m talking about immigration.

          I think everyone has the potential to be a decent person, even most criminals you could have a one on one conversation about the weather or something of interest and they would probably be fine.
          I have a doctor who I think is either Indian or middle Eastern and he is a really nice person, and I really mean that, he goes out of his way to be friendly and I show him the same friendly manner in return. So I’m not going to group all the people of a nation in the same stereotypes. But for every one like my doctor there is about ten of them that are not like that.

          Sometimes culture and religion is a major barrier, I’m sure there are nice people in some of these Arab countries that care for one another, but I rock up a different religion and if I stepped a foot wrong I’d be on a dinner plate.

          But they come here and demand that we accept their culture over our own, but yet I can’t go there and do the same. Some Muslims in Australia genuinely hate westerners I know a muslim and I see what the friends of friends write on facebook, if you guys were not so biased to non Westerners than you would have the comments up here. Things like fix up the way we dress are a regular. Will you put some of these comments up on your site? Will you lower your heavy bias?

        • Let’s start with the questions you ignored:

          1. Again, evidence to support the claim that most Australians oppose Islam in Australia. Any evidence at all.

          2. And what do you mean by “regular” Australians? Do you mean just “People who agree with me on this issue are regular”, because Nissan, you’ve started talking about sexuality in a random conversation….you’re not exactly regular.

          Now let’s get on to your irrelevant comments

          “I’m not talking about sexuality, I’m talking about immigration.”

          You weren’t talking about sexuality? What was this then:
          “If it was up to you you would say there is only two types of sexual orientation, gay and straight.”

          That was your comment from September 26 11:48pm

          Then you say you’re not going to generalise people, and think that everyone could be a potentially good person, even a criminal….then make clear you don’t count Arabs in that group.

          Look at these two comments, do you not see the contradiction here:
          Comment 1- ” So I’m not going to group all the people of a nation in the same stereotypes”
          Comment 2- “But for every one like my doctor there is about ten of them that are not like that.”

          That’s not a generlisation, is it? “Yeah some of them are okay, but most of them are bad”-how is that not a generalisation?

          But hey, once you eventually provide any sort of evidence that the vast majority of all Australians oppose multiculturalism, maybe you can provide some evidence that the vast majority of Indians/Arabs (You have no idea which) are not friendly people.

          Ha-who am I kidding? Like you’ll ever back up any comment with any evidence ever.

          “I’m sure there are nice people in some of these Arab countries that care for one another, but I rock up a different religion and if I stepped a foot wrong I’d be on a dinner plate.”

          Arab people aren’t cannibals. You’re being silly.

          “But they come here and demand that we accept their culture over our own,”

          How exactly is anyone demanding you accept a different culture over your own? Please be specific.

          ” but yet I can’t go there and do the same. ”

          You can’t go over to another country and demand people change their culture and beliefs to suit you? Is this what we’re complaining about?

          It’s wrong to demand people change your culture. Thankfully, no one is demanding you change your culture in anyway shape or form, are they? Hence why you can’t describe any experience of how your culture has been in anyway changed.

          “Some Muslims in Australia genuinely hate westerners ”

          And come of Westerners in Australia genuinely hate Muslims. Are we going to judge all Westerners because of that?

          ” I know a muslim”

          Wow! One whole Muslim! No wonder you’re such an expert!

          “I see what the friends of friends write on facebook, ”

          How is it any different from what is being posted here? I only ask because you have repeatedly said we should not end multiculturalism, and implied we should not allow Muslims on here because of comments you disapprove of. Yet you don’t want to get rid of white Australia because of comments on this website (Which I hope you disapprove of-unless you support someone saying they could kill a baby).

          Muslim says a bad thing-Nissan says “We need to get rid of all Muslims”
          Non Muslim says a bad thing-Nissan says “I don’t ever generalise (Except for Muslims)”

          “if you guys were not so biased to non Westerners than you would have the comments up here.”

          Muslims have featured on this site before. Have you submitted these horrendous topics?

          I’m being slightly sarcastic, because then you mention what the terrible topics your muslim friends of acquaintance (You aren’t friends with him-you barely know him) is the next sentence. What terrible thing could it be to justify generalising a stigma to all Muslims, which you wouldn’t do for white people? I mean, we’ve seen calls for genocide by white people on this page, calls for murder, for killing of children, occasionally calls for slavery-what comments could be as bad as them?

          “Things like fix up the way we dress are a regular. ”

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

          That’s it? That’s the “Terrible hateful things said about Westerners”-fashion police criticism? You’re comparing people on facebook criticising fashion to comments on this site which include: “We should kill all the Muslims”?

          “Will you put some of these comments up on your site? Will you lower your heavy bias?”

          Again, Muslims have featured on this site before. But I doubt your comments will be put up on this site-because this site tends to post more comments of “Hitler was right! Kill all Muslims! Babies are targets!” and less of “Damn, they don’t dress modestly. Wouldn’t catching me wearing that!”

          IT’s time like these I really wish this site could allow me to post animated gifs.

        • It’s nothing to do with fashion, they criticise our women and men for how we dress. Australia is a hot climate, we are designed for a cool climate, that’s why we like cooling off at beaches and in swimming pools after the sun becomes less intense. Complaints were about girls wearing G strings and when they bend over your eyes are scarred and short pants and skirts and men wearing singlets.
          We wear long sleve shirts during the day for sun protection, but it’s a hot climate so if you are going out at night, sometimes it might be above 25 degreess in some parts of the country at night, so we choose to wear singlets big deal. A girl wears a g string and you saw it, big deal. I was really offended by these consistent comments about the way we dress.

        • Damn, they don’t dress modestly. Wouldn’t catching me wearing that!”

          No, that’s not how they speak about it. It’s the guys all wear singlets and the girls bend over and you can see a G string it’s disgusting. and the skirts that the girls wear are too short, but in much harsher language. I will send in some screen shots so you can do a balanced post on it.

        • “It’s nothing to do with fashion, they criticise our women and men for how we dress.”

          So again, criticisng what a person is wearing is comparable to calling for the extermination of all Muslims, including children? Is that right?

          And to be clear, are Muslims not allowed to have an opinion about how other people dress? Do you never have an opniion on clothes, ever?

          “Complaints were about girls wearing G strings and when they bend over your eyes are scarred and short pants and skirts and men wearing singlets.”

          Again, complaining about visible underwear apparently is comparable, to you, to saying “I could kill a Muslim child-it would be like killing puppies”? Is that right?

          And-is it only Muslims are are condemned for having an opinion on what clothes people wear? If someone who is white complains that someone is revealing too much skin (As many in the older generation do) are you going to say they need to be got rid of as well?

          “A girl wears a g string and you saw it, big deal. I was really offended by these consistent comments about the way we dress.”

          A person is complaining about what clothes other people are wearing online. BIG DEAL! This is what you’re thinking is at the same level of “I hate all Muslims, they do nothing and should be killed”-having an opinion on clothes!
          Let me put it this way. The commenters are not triyng to forcibly cover up the person wearing a G string, right? The commenters are not trying to ban the G-string or the singlet, right? The commenters are not in any way trying to impede the person who is choosing to wear that clothes, in anyway shape or form, right? Hell, they’re not even saying “Take a look at Tess-she’s wearing bad clothes”, right?

        • I did not specify that the gender of my Muslim friend was male or female and that I only have just one Muslim friend some are just acquaintances you are right, but I see what they write about Westerners and I don’t like it.

        • “No, that’s not how they speak about it. It’s the guys all wear singlets and the girls bend over and you can see a G string it’s disgusting.”

          So, again, is it okay for the many Non-Muslims to say the exact same things? Or are you only condemning Muslims for saying “I don’t like seeing underwear”?

          You need to start a crusade, Nissan. Because you’re focusing on Muslims having an opinion on people’s clothing, rightfully ignoring the comments of “We should kill all Muslims” and “I don’t see a problem with killing children” as apparently less important, you’re ignoring the many many non-Muslim places where clothing styles really effects life.

          I mean, I can’t wear a singlet to a job interview. If I did, I wouldn’t get a job. Couldn’t do it at school either. And the girls would not be allowed to wear clothing that sits low enough that a G-string would be visible. Where’s your condemnation of that? Why aren’t you at Parliament House, right now, demanding freedom for all our politicians to wear low riding pants, and singlets all the days of parliament?

          Nope, it’s just you saying “Muslims aren’t allowed to have an opinion on clothing. They’re just not”

        • “I only have just one Muslim friend some are just acquaintances you are right, but I see what they write about Westerners and I don’t like it.”

          So….that’s your justification for saying we need to end Multiculturalism and get rid of Muslims? That’s your proof that most Indians/Arabs (You’re unsure which) are not nice people? They don’t like particular clothing styles, and you don’t like them having an opinion?

          Again, are non-Muslims allowed to have an opinion on other people’s clothing? Because if “Disagreeing critically on a clothing style” means that people aren’t welcome in Australia is proof that someone doesn’t belong in Australia….well that’s most of our population gone then.

    • It is true that the Liberal party does want to get votes from people who oppose immigration and multiculturalism, hence why you’ve got the Cory Bernardi’s of this world, just as they want to get votes from migrant groups….

      But if the vast majority of Australians opposed multiculturalism, as Nissan is stating, then why would the Liberal party need to appeal to those who like multiculturalism or migration, explicitly stating they support multiculturalism?

      The answer is, of course, that the majority of Australians do support multiculturalism, and it’s that majority that the LNP wants to appeal to, and encourage, not Nissan’s luantic fringe.

        • As you’ve ignored the question…I’ll repeat myself:

          If the vast majority of Australians opposed multiculturalism, as Nissan is stating, then why would the Liberal party need to appeal to those who like multiculturalism or migration, explicitly stating they support multiculturalism?

        • And by “switched on white Australians” do you mean “People who agree with me and who have light coloured skin”?

          Because if you’re saying “The majority of people who think like me, agree with me” then I would absolutely agree. Just like the majority of people, overwhelming majority, almost entirely of all the people who think like me, also tend to agree with me. WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

          Don’t mean jack-shit though. Because in Australia we allow voting to all people, regardless of their race, culture, ethnicity, skin colour, religion, gender, or sexuality. They only have to be Australian citizens. That’s all!

          Good luck with your “Only people who agree with me count” style of democracy. Sounds like it’s a bit of a fixer-upper!

    • Yes, agreed, the first sensible thing that you have said. You are learning.
      Australians don’t want these extreme Islamists. They don’t want extreme Christians either you are quite correct. However it’s the extreme Islam that is of current concern and poses the most risk in the opinions of the overwhelming majority of white Australians, and there is evidence for this.

      • And that evidence is…….what exactly? Still waiting on that.

        Though look at how far we’ve come! We’ve gone from “I know the majority (Now the overwhelming majority) of Australians oppose multiculturalism without proof” to “I know the overwhelming majority of Australians oppose multiculturalism, and have evidence….that cannot be described in anyway”

        Come on, Nissan. How do you know that the overwhelming majority of Australians oppose multiculturalism, Islam in general, and generally agree with you? Did it come to you in a dream? A dog told you? An Angel came down from heaven to give just that one message? What?

        • Attn – JM: Did Ander really suggest the holocaust was a hoax?

          Given the way the Nazi’s treated Norway during the war that proves how delusional he was.

        • Hi Ian,

          I think the comment you were referring to was about the APP. And plenty of APP members have stated many times that the holocaust was a hoax.

          I’m not aware of what Anders believes. And I don’t care.

      • Again we want some proof – ABS figures or something like it.

        We DO have proof that hard-core xenophobes like yourself constitute about 10% of the population. Those figures are from Professor Kevin Dunn of UWS, not some anonymous random troll like yourself who cannot even spell his fake surname.

        Professor Dunn has been surveying samples of the population from all over Australia and has published his results in peer-reviewed publications. A peer review setup means that any qualified researcher can duplicate his methodology and come up with the same or very close findings.

        We often quote from Dunn’s findings.

        We have several people here experienced in sociological research and statistical methodology. JM is one of them. I am another.

        Anecdotes, pub gossip, your granny’s prejudices or your feelings do not represent facts.

        Whether your “Australians” are white, brown or green with purple spots is irrelevant. Australians come in all varieties.

        • I don’t put my name up because you will rip me off. I have a reasonably common Anglo Saxon name. I wish to remain anonymous on this site however. There are many people who are much more xenophobic than myself.

          I have seen many surveys and hear regularly throughout Australia that we should not be taking Muslims into Australia, people are very concerned. Another survey had Lebanese people as the least suitable migrants for Australia. I’ve seen numerous news polls that have carefully worded questions about immigration and the results are overwhelming, Australians don’t want non Westerners coming here.

        • I said that Australians didn’t want extremists yesterday. Islamist extremists are no bigger threat than any other group.

          News polls are not valid sources of data. They are easily corrupted, as we all know.

          Morgan gallop polls are far more reliable and suggest the opposite of what you’re suggesting

        • So now we know a little bit more. Instead of Nissan knowing that “Everyone agrees with me because of evidence I cannot demonstrate or in anyway describe” it’s “Everyone agrees with me because of surveys and polls I cannot demonstrate or in anyway present”

          Who was doing the surveys? The tailors from “The Emperor’s New Clothes?

          Come on Nissan, you can do better than that! We live in a country where the current Prime Minister had publically stated his support for Multiculturalism, calling it a “beacon of hope to a troubled and divided world” and we had much to be proud of. Our new treasurer also made a lengthy and detailed support of Multiculturalism. Neither of these people ignore polls.

          If you have any evidence suggesting the majority of Australians oppose multiculturalism which is more convincing than the fact that the overwhelming majority of Australians chose to vote for a party that publically and directly supports multiculturalism, including Muslims, instead of one of the small parties which directly oppose multilculturalism in general and Muslims in particular (And I can think of at least 5 parties they could have chosen from) please, demonstrate it.

          So far all your evidence has been “Well, people who think properly agree with me”; “People showed they object to multiculturalism by voting for a conservative party that support multiculturalism” and “There have been surveys. I don’t have them but there have been surveys-trust me”

        • Islamist extremists are a massive threat to peace, massive threat. I don’t know how you can say that they are “no bigger threat than any other group”.

          What am I an extremist because I don’t want Islam here? That makes me an extremist? Just curious, I’m in shock that you guys don’t recognise the threat and problems with extreme Islam.

        • No one said extreme islam wasn’t a threat. We’re saying all extremists are a threat. Parties like APP and Rise Up Australia pose the same threat as any Islamist.

        • These parties like the APP are not a “threat” in the way that extreme Islam is a threat. I would have no trouble dealing with these people. They want to stop this extreme Islam and prevent it from coming to Australia. These individuals need commending not criticising.

        • Again, you ignore the question. So I’ll repeat myself:
          If you have any evidence suggesting the majority of Australians oppose multiculturalism which is more convincing than the fact that the overwhelming majority of Australians chose to vote for a party that publically and directly supports multiculturalism, including Muslims, instead of one of the small parties which directly oppose multilculturalism in general and Muslims in particular (And I can think of at least 5 parties they could have chosen from) please, demonstrate it.

          Let me cut it straight for you, Nissan.

          You got nothing.

          If you had evidence that the majority of Australians opposed multiculturalism, it would be here, on this page right now. You would be showing it repeatedly, proudly saying this shows you talk on behalf of most Australians. Instead you are rephrasing your response to be less and less helpful.

          You got nothing.

          You have lived in a sheltered world with only people who agree with you, because you tend to subtlely suggest people who disagree with you aren’t welcome (Saying stuff like “I don’t understand why you aren’t agreeing with me-when Australia is in crisis” will tend to do that), and so assumed the fact that your small circle of friends agrees with you means that everyone in Australia agrees with you.

          You. Got. Nothing!

          If you want to stick around, that’s your choice. But I know I, and many other posters here, will be happy to repeatedly remind you that your belief you speak on behalf of all Australians is complete crap, and now, you know it.

        • “These parties like the APP are not a “threat” in the way that extreme Islam is a threat.”

          Really? How so? How are Muslims in Australia today more dangerous than organisations which regularly call out for the extermination or violent deportation of the majority of Australians?

          ” I would have no trouble dealing with these people.”

          Of course not. You agree with them, and you’re a white male. Your Jewish, non-white, female, gay, in wanyway progressive friends may not favour themselves so much.

          ” They want to stop this extreme Islam and prevent it from coming to Australia. These individuals need commending not criticising.”

          True they want to stop extremist Islam from coming to Australia. They also want to stop non-extremist Islam from coming to Australia, non-white people from coming to Australia, and encourage all non-white people, gays, people whose political beliefs differ with the APP’s in anyway to leave the country. And when I say “Encourage” one leader of APP called for the cleaning out of all people who disagreed with them when they came to power.

          And they should be commended for that? Here are some actual beliefs that have been discussed in APP groups, with no disagreement ever being offerred, and usually support being given:

          -The disabled should all be executed
          -We need more people like Ander Behring Breivik in Australia to do a clean out
          -The unemployed should be in prison
          -If we blew up a train, that would get people agreeing with us.
          -I would have no problem killing a child if they were Muslim.
          -The Holocaust is a lie made up by the secret Zionist government

          Please tell us why we should commend these comments.

        • JM, you need to wake up to the reality here – there are Muslim EXTREMISTS talking about our CLOTHES! I’d much rather the fine, upstanding members of the APP making rape and death threats than to have my fashion sense INSULTED in such a way!

          It’s not just me that feels this way, either. Most white Australians agree! I know this because I personally asked them all at one of the white people meetings! And because of the resounding success of anti-multiculturalism parties during the election!

        • Luke, I loved your comment so much I wanted to make love to it.

          Sadly, technology does not permit this (Yet), so instead…

          Here’s a gif of a pug pushing a pram.

      • APP is the same threat as any extremeist. The fact you can’t see it is scary. APP wants to destroy Australia. So Does Rise up Australia. If they ever achieved power refugees would no longer come here. Mind you, everyone else would try to leave.

        For example, the APP people feel South Africa was better off under Apartheid. No thinking person could say the same. it’s a bit like saying Ander’s actions were caused by multiculturalism. Being of Northern European Heritage, you’re well aware of that

  14. You are aware that lebanon is 40% Christian aren’t you. So you’re not only anti Muslim but anti Lebanese. Next you’ll be telling us that you’re anti non white. Australia has no time for such people. There’s many polls that suggest this. Proper polls, not news polls

      • Same! High five! What about Africans? Asians? Do you hate Arabs in general or just Muslims? And now I’ve got your attention, do you have ANY HARD EVIDENCE for ANY of your claims above?

        • Well I just said I have a doctor who is either Arabic or Indian and I think he is a very good man, he is always friendly and genuine towards me. I just haven’t really met any Africans and I’ve had some positive interactions with Asians, but some negative also.

          I have also said that given the chance I think any human being has the potential to be nice or have a regular conversation, even some person that is convicted criminal, the problem arises that we come from different cultures and the dominant culture here is Christianity.

        • The dominant culture is Australia is Anglo centric. Howard pointed that out, whilst letting in thousands who weren’t anglo centric. Australia is also secular, not Christian.

          From your comments, Nissan, you are in fact a threat to Australian culture.

        • “I have also said that given the chance I think any human being has the potential to be nice or have a regular conversation,”

          Yet, while convicted criminals are worth a shot as being a nice person, Muslims aren’t worth the risk, right?

          “the problem arises that we come from different cultures and the dominant culture here is Christianity.”

          Christianity is not a culture. Damn-Christianity isn’t even one united religion. And that’s our culture now?

          Are we going to ban all the atheists now too? I mean, they don’t fit into a Christian culture, to a far more significant degree than Muslims do. Jews too-Judaism actually goes against far more of what Christianity says than Islam does. So they’re out too.

          And let’s look at your belief-conflict comes from different cultures. So…..who is allowed to stay? We better get rid of all the European cultures-there’s been far more conflict between Australia and Italy over the last 100 years than Australia and India, for example. And generally Europe has been at war for centuries-they would surely bring too much conflict.

          Australia has always been a country of different cultures. Is there an imaginary line you’ve got in your head that settled when a culture was welcomed and when it was not?

        • I personally are not religious, but I still have respect for Christians. I’m not in support of gay marriage, but I still respect homosexuals. Yes what I meant to say was Most Australians to some degree follow the Christian faith or at least observe the basic Christian principles and days on the calender.

        • You ignored the questions again, Nissan. You said conflict came from people who had different cultures, apparently meaning religion when you meant culture.

          Does that mean we’re deporting all the atheists? After all, their beliefs contradict the christian teaching far more than the beliefs of Muslims. Similarly Judaism is much more different than Christianity than Islam is. Islam is actually closer linked to Christianity than any other non-Christian religion.

          And I repeat:
          And let’s look at your belief-conflict comes from different cultures. So…..who is allowed to stay? We better get rid of all the European cultures-there’s been far more conflict between Australia and Italy over the last 100 years than Australia and India, for example. And generally Europe has been at war for centuries-they would surely bring too much conflict.

          Australia has always been a country of different cultures. Is there an imaginary line you’ve got in your head that settled when a culture was welcomed and when it was not?

      • Let’s face facts. APP and RUA will only pretend to dislike only Muslims until they get their way. Then they’ll choose another group. RUA’s already made it clear they dislike Hindus, Buddhists, and even the Stonemasons. APP think apartheid was a good thing. And then there’s Nissan Leaf, who thinks Australia is a Christian country (it’s secular).

        • APP leaders have already said that the Jews are not the target of APP at the moment, because they’ve chosen to focus on Muslims (Hence why they refuse to support Israel, even at a pro-Israel rally), and I know the person who ran the APP “exposed” page was a strongly anti-Muslim guy who left when he tried to involve Indians in the APP cause.

  15. I’d like to see the police ban bikie gangs. In saying that I totally condemn the recent Acid attack on a bikie in Victoria. I think as much as you might not like someone or what a person may be associated with or a part of, violence is never the answer. I think that anyone who uses acid as a weapon or anything else that involves violence should be delt with the full force of the law and spend their days confined to a cell.

  16. Ban The Vietnam Vets bikie gang? Thanks for that. You’ve just proven your no different to the extremeists.

    Thanks.

    I can’t convey how thankful I am to you.

      • Nissan, you’re going to contradict someone else on their punctuation, grammar or spelling?

        Glass houses, Nissan, glass houses:

        Incidentally, we are thinking you’re a bird brain, because you:

        1- Say silly stuff about the majority of a group of people without any proof, and when asked for proof just say the word fact
        2- Think criticizing a type of clothing is somehow more dangerous for Australia than calling for the murder of children
        3- Jump from one topic to another after you’ve said something stupid hoping that you won’t get caught up in the crazy thing (Sexuality! Motorcycles! Bushfires!)
        4- Think Christianity is a culture, and what’s more, it’s the culture of Australia.
        5- Say you never generalise a group of people, then say “Almost all Muslims are bad”

        That’s why you’re an idiot. Don’t matter how good your punctuation is-with those reasons you’ll be an idiot.

        And incidentally, your punctuation is terrible.

  17. I feel sorry for Israel Some crazies in the middle East. The Jews should start eating pork and become more like Christians. I saw a few hot Jewish girls that were mooning the camera in this photo haha they are not as up tight as the Muslims.

    • You are a troll. You’re such a troll.

      So why are you here? You’re not trying to say that Muslims are a biggest threat-you’re talking about how Jews should eat pork to become Christians, a religion which you don’t belong to. You’re talking about motorcycles, sexuality and bushfires.

      Let me guess-you love attention. And you don’t get it anywhere at home. You can come here, and shout silly things, knowing someone will get riled up, and then you will be noticed, if only for a little time.

      Well, sorry Nissan, but you’re showing more and more that you aren’t here to debate. You aren’t here to even argue. You’re here to be a troll. And trolls on this site have a very short shelf life.

      Which means soon you’ll have to go back to getting no attention, feeling ignored and isolated for yet another day. Waking up each morning thinking, who would actually care if I never woke up again? Then you go find another blog to annoy, for a little while.

    • why feel sorry for Israel? they get $300m a year from the USA in aid… they murder children… they went and sterilized all the non-white jewish refugees they took in… they have displaced 100s of thousands of ppl… hell its israels fault we get so many refugees from palenstine… if the israelis stopped bombing n bulldozing houses n stealing land in palestine then the palestinians wouldnt have to leave… if they stopped killing innocent children for just being palestinian the palestinians wouldnt have to leave…

  18. Nissan leaf

    ‘I feel sorry for Israel Some crazies in the middle East. The Jews should start eating pork and become more like Christians. I saw a few hot Jewish girls that were mooning the camera in this photo haha they are not as up tight as the Muslims.’

    You’ve fogotten Miss sajeavo, clearly

  19. Korrigere denne setningen. Og identifisere problemene med anspent av oversettelse programvare. Dette vil være et enkelt for noen av nordeuropeisk

  20. Here’s the thing, Nissan. You claim to be of Northern European descent. If so, you’ll know which variations of Northern European languages will provide the above translations using internet translation software.

    To make it clear, for example, what are the two German phrases will give the translation ‘where do you live’?

    You claim to be Northern European. Give another example if that is too difficult

  21. This is another easy question about Europe.

    In France, which three groups are equally loathed by the minority? Hint: one of them is Muslim

  22. are you talking about per head capita stats (the ones you love to mention when it comes to CO2 emissions) or actual gross statistics?
    Thought so

        • That’s ridiculous such a huge portion are refugees. A significant portion of the population will end up being from refugees. Australia is a white western country it should be whites and Aboriginals. All these people are having too many kids in the middle east and Asia. The world won’t cope, it’s irresponsible and a burden on westerners. It can be prevented as simply as not having big families. Only westerner seem to be able to follow this advice and they are a world minority.

        • Wait-what?

          Okay, a tiny proportion of our migrant intake is refugee intake, and a smaller proportion of that is asylum seekers. Naturally you’ll have evidence that contradicts this and instead says the majority of migrants are refugees.

          No? Of course you don’t. Let’s move on.

          “Australia is a white western country it should be whites and Aboriginals.”

          What the hell is “White western” anyway? That is a descriptor invented after the fact! When we had Irish and Jews arriving in Australia they weren’t seen as common “White western people”-they were seen as the other.

          Incidentally, why should Australia not allow non-white people in? How exactly is this damaging to you?

          “All these people are having too many kids in the middle east and Asia. ”

          Yes, they have a lot of children because….children tend to not survive. You can see that in migrants who come to Australia, or even if the middle classes of these third world countries. Number of children per couple decreases from first generation migrants to second generation migrants-who know their child is more than likely to survive in adulthood. Similarly, middle class better off families in many countries (I’ve seen in Vietnam firsthand) tend to have fewer children because, again, they can be fairly confident their child will survive to adulthood.

          Nautrally you have evidence that everyone who isn’t white in Australia has multiple childrens, much more than white couples. No? Of course you don’t.

          “It can be prevented as simply as not having big families. ”

          And if a person in a third world country only has two children, and they die….what happens to the parents when they get older?

          “Only westerner seem to be able to follow this advice and they are a world minority.”

          Well, China. The West and China. But I guess they don’t count!

          Amy, I’m guessing you’ve based your detailed discussion of all non-white migrants on absolutely no experience with anyone who isn’t white. Am I wrong?

    • Total we’re low. Per capita, we’re even lower! Our intake is tiny.

      But please, if you’ve got evidence that actually we’re accepting 10,000 refugees every minute, please display them. Otherwise please feel free to join Nissan in the BS Artist Box.

  23. Over 171 comments on this thread. And almost none about the fact Australia accepted less than 6000 refugees last year.

    Why do people think we accepted 10s of thousands?

  24. Sorry, Nissan, I missed your last comment. Thanks for proving you are a troll. You know nothing of European or Australian language or culture

  25. wo wohnst du, – won’t come up in google translate, and should have been easy to suggest.
    wo leben Sie – will come up when translating to german from english.

    Personally, will always use the former, not the latter.

    The Belgium question – answer – danish (at the time )

    You can use either Ich for either I or me. It depends on the sentence

      • Why are we speaking German? I don’t get it. I’m from England originally and I consider myself a Northern European. I consider Italians and Greeks to be southern Europeans. You are not even from Germany so why?

        • England isn’t Northern Europe. England is Western Europe.

          If you read all the comments, instead of responding at random, you would know why German is being spoken. A previous commentator stated he knew more about Northern Europe, and when a commentator who has European citizenship disputed this, the veracity of his citizenship was challenged. Hence Ian proving his citizenship through his language skills.

          You are welcome tocontribute, but please read before responding. You might actually know what’s going on.

        • In other words you’re a racist pinky. You think that you are the master race, but your men have small genitalia and pink skin. You behave like animals and think you are superior.

        • Ok JM I’m sorry I’ll say that I am a “Western European” than, I didn’t know that was an option here. On my internet dating profile it only had North and South European as options and other Caucasian, Europe is not that big a place I don’t think you could call someone from the Netherlands or England a “southern European” and someone from Denmark a “Northern European” Why don’t we all just say what country our ancestry is from instead. Still yet to hear where the German speaking and European trivia expert Ian is from.

          Eric you need to read what is said. Just for a laugh I wonder how you know so much about Westerners “genitalia”?

        • I’m Italian and you pinky westerners do have small dicks. I see this every time I’m in the male change room. My dick is twice the size of a pinky dick.

        • I have many women interested. I have slept with a few whites Aussi and German and they all say that my dick is much bigger than a white mans tiny wee wee. Italian and spanish girls know how to have sex white girls are starfish.

        • I never said I was an expert. Just proving I’ve lived there.

          Europeans are described either by country or region – North, south,east, west, etc. Or Scandinavia

        • Plus the person I was speaking to claimed to be of Northern European extraction. if this was true, they would have found the questions quite easy.

        • Amy, I get the feeling you’re really Nissan Leaf. Why else are you suddenly interested in the ancestry of Ian, a person you haven’t had any discussion with? Plus the tone is very similar to Nissan’s tone.

          And I have my doubts about the trollish behaviour of Eric and no more foreign. Looks like admins will need to have a bit of a clean out. Too much penis talk going on-and there’s no shortage of better sites on the internet to discuss that.

        • Mind you describing European’s by region, North,east,south is the sort of thing Australians used to do following the war. Australia wanted the western ones, and took others when the west didn’t provide the quota of whites required. Other countries in the commonwealth did the same

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