Election special No. 2 – while Abbott just loves mountain women, the Kelly Gang rides again

Yeh ha!

Things are jumping in the lower Blue Mountains and the nearby Penrith area as the election campaign reaches new heights of lunacy.

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Now for people with short memories, who is this Jackie Kelly who so arouses the budgie ?

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Heath Aston went on to say

Drafting in Ms Kelly has raised some eyebrows in the party. The Penrith MP was a poster girl for John Howard’s dominance of the outer suburbs during his decade in office but it was also Ms Kelly’s campaign in 2007 that derailed the Howard re-election effort.

The western suburbs of Sydney turned their back on Mr Howard after Ms Kelly’s husband, Gary Clark, and others were caught distributing dodgy pamphlets thanking the ALP, on behalf of an Islamic group that did not exist, for supporting terrorists.

The scandal was credited with preventing any hope of Mr Howard mounting one of his trademark late comebacks and Ms Kelly’s seat of Lindsay fell to Labor on her retirement in the ”Ruddslide” of 2007.

When asked about Ms Kelly’s role in her office, Ms Markus indicated her role was not official. “Jackie is a close friend of mine but I have my campaign staff,” she said before cutting the call short.

Probably a wise move on the part of Louise Markus to dump her bestie if she doesn’t want Macquarie to become the Siege of Glenrowan.

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Now let’s take a look at the notorious and laughably amateurish pamphlet from 2007.

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Two of the culprits were Kelly’s husband and incoming Lindsay candidate Karen Chijoff’s husband Greg Chijoff.

And here’s Squadron Leader Kelly’s husband doing his deer-in-the-headlights act after being caught.

What a quality act!

Gary Clark, husband of MP Jackie Kelly, hides behind the pamphlet.

Lateline had the whole unsavoury saga here.

52 thoughts on “Election special No. 2 – while Abbott just loves mountain women, the Kelly Gang rides again

  1. Please don’t associate those of us from the lower Blue Mountains with the Bogans of Penrith and the numerous scandal’s of the Penrith Liberals. Just ask them about the dodgy ADF site sale.

  2. Wasn’t Jackie Kelly Howard’s pet “girl”? He seemed to think she was the bee’s knees. So much for his judgement.

    Now Abbott’s daughters are parroting the Liberal minders’ phrase of his gaffe being “just” a “dorky dad moment”. A dorky dad moment is very lame jokes not a 1950’s sexist comment coming from the leader of a political party who aspires to be PM of Oz. Not a good look. We already know he is a dodgy dork but not the sort who deserves to be PM.

    • Howard was also responsible for the dreadful Sophie Mirabella’s rise. He spotted her when she was an ambitious Melbourne lawyer in the Young Libs. Next minute she was popping up in newspaper articles and on TV spouting her far right views, at a time when the Libs still had some decent moderates.

      • Howard has a great deal to answer for, hasn’t he? Mirabella makes me shudder every time I hear of or see her.

        As for Jackie Kelly, it was almost as if she could do absolutely no wrong in Howard’s eyes so the ignominious ending of her political career was fascinating. Even though it was her husband, & others, who bore the blame she would have to have been completely stupid to have not known what was going on with those pamphlets.

        • Howard did a lot of long-term damage to the political situation in this country. He got us thinking about the welfare of Australia in terms of economic strength and nothing else, he initiated the race to the bottom that is the asylum seeker debate and he got us involved in pointless and costly wars we had no reason to get involved in.

          But hey, he left us with a surplus so according to the bogans, all is forgiven.

        • Howard was a very good prime minister, he stood by the then American president Bush with Iraq and Afghanistan, introduced gun laws which saved lives and was very sensible with the economy. Even things like the GST which people complained about at the time turn out to be a really good and fair system of taxation. Howard and the Liberal party actually success fully had the boats under control. It was Labor and Rudd that started them right up again. You must admit Howard was a very successful prime minister. I hate this spending by Labor on schools and crap. Y

        • “he stood by the then American president Bush with Iraq and Afghanistan,”

          And didn’t that turn out well! Afghanistan-ignored in favour of Iraq, leading to a resurgent Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan! Iraq-a war fought to fight terrorism (Which didn’t exist in Iraq until we got involved), and find weapons of mass desturction (Which also didn’t exist).

          ” introduced gun laws”

          That, I agree, was a great decision.

          “Even things like the GST which people complained about at the time turn out to be a really good and fair system of taxation.”

          How is it fair to tax people based on their purchases, instead of their income? Especially considering many of the pricier items came GST free. I mean, how is it fair to charge a tax that will take up a larger percentage of a poorer person’s income than it will a rich person’s. How is that fair exactly?
          Also, he said he wouldn’t do a GST, then changed his mind. Yet no one called him Johnny Liar.

          ” Howard and the Liberal party actually success fully had the boats under control.”

          And then left everyone else to deal with the clean up. Because it’s not a clean solution-the pacific solution. It damages people, who still end up in Australia, except now they end up in Australia with mental illnesses and disabilities sustained by indefinite detention (Something which in Australia convicted rapists and murderers don’t receive-only asylum seekers are sentenced to indefinite detention), with no assistance in learning English, meaning they are unable to find work, settle, and actually make a life in Australia.

          But it looked good in the paper!

          “You must admit Howard was a very successful prime minister”

          No I don’t. I’ll accept this-compared to Abbot, Howard is a very succesful Prime Minister, a competent leader, and an intelligent man. But then again, compared to Abbot, my Pug would be a very good Prime Minister, a competent leader, and an intelligent man (And my pug is a girl!).

          He was successful in getting elected, getting rid of the guns, and that’s about it! The Labor party is not so successful in getting elected, but are good at getting things done once they do. How’s that Medicare working out for you by the way?

          “. I hate this spending by Labor on schools and crap”

          Yeah, they should just leave all their money in a locked box and not do anything with it-that’a a totally better idea than improving our country, improving access to education, and actually making Australia a successful country in the long term.

          Seriously-you hate kids going to school? What are you suggesting instead? Abolish public schooling and have the poor turn into street urchins. I mean, I like Oliver Twist as much as the next guy, but I don’t want to live it!

  3. You can only pump so much money into schools. kids don’t need 5 star facilities and leather chairs and air conditioning, that is not going to do anything with learning. It’s about raising the standards not leather padded chairs. All this wasteful spending by Labor, no wonder the governments budget is in so much debt.

    • “kids don’t need 5 star facilities and leather chairs and air conditioning,”

      Please tell me where the increased school funding is being put aside for 5 star facilities, leather chairs, and air conditioning, instead of say, increased support for students with special needs, specialised classes in numeracy and literacy, and assistance for students from low SES backgrounds.

      “It’s about raising the standards not leather padded chairs.”

      Again-where are leather padded chairs referred to in any government plan. And how would Abbot raise standards-considering I believe his policy is “Everything is okay, we don’t need to fix anything”?

      “All this wasteful spending by Labor, ”

      Again-spending money on students with disabilities or special needs is wasteful?

      “no wonder the governments budget is in so much debt.”

      And the GFC had nothing to do with it, did it? The GFC which is still keeping America, and most of Europe in recession-did the ALP cause that too?

    • What on earth are you on about, Karen? Your brain must have turned into mush with too much reading of Murdoch crap, watching too much TV & listening to shock jocks’ lies & misinformation. You astound me.

      “Leather padded chairs”???? 5 star facilities??? Guess only kids at private schools deserve 5 star. As for air conditioning, this is vital for learning in Australia especially during summer. I have seen schools where they were forced to put water sprinklers on the roofs of demountables in order to reduce the baking heat inside so the kids had some sort of chance of learning. Anyway, schools are a state responsibility with the Federal government giving them further funding. When there are Coalition state governments less money is spent on schools etc then Labor has make up for this neglect when they are in power.

      As for Howard he was the WORST & most socially divisive PM this country has ever had. Abbott is his clone & will be as bad. This business of “stopping the boats” is a Liberal dog whistle which appeals to the lowest common denominator of our society.

      • The business of stopping the boats Joy, is a very important one. This idea that it is a dog whistle to appeal to the “lowest common denominator of our society”. Is obviously something that you have heard once before and are repeating.

        Literally Thousands of people have drowned at sea trying to get to Australia in an unauthorized fashion, and the country’s boarders and Labor governments handling of the situation has been the laughing stock of the country.

        Clearly something needs to be done, the current Labor governments soft approach failed miserably.

        As for your opinion of Howard and the Liberal government, well you are entitled to your views, but I completely disagree.

        • I agree, we need to stop people from drowning at sea, but Abbot’s approach only results in people who can never feel settled (Due to having TPVs, no english language support, etc).

          I mean, Fraser’s policy isn’t perfect, but it’s a lot better than what either Abbot or Rudd are offering at the moment. The idea of “Reduce the number of asylum seekers coming through the back door by widening the front door” and then coupling that with developing processing centres in key asylum seeker transit zones (Thailand and Malaysia back then, Indonesia and Malaysia now) to speed up processing-that’s a way to stop people from getting on boats in a way that won’t punish them for fleeing for their lives.

        • Karen, are you insinuating I do not have a mind of my own? How dare you be so patronising. It is you who is parroting pap from the Murdoch media & the LNP propaganda units.

          When will LNP supporters get it into their thick heads that seeking asylum is not illegal & coming by boat is not in an “unauthorised fashion”. The world’s situation has changed since the time of Howard with many, many more refugees requiring asylum. Even your esteemed Tony Abbott was a “boat person” in that he was an assisted migrant who came here by ship. These were the first of the modern “boat people” & boy, were they resented. Ironic, isn’t it?

          How many “thousands” have drowned trying to attain asylum in Australia? Can you please enlighten us? FactCheck have investigated LNP claims that 1000 have drowned since Labor came to power in 2007 & found that there were 877 known deaths. All of which are tragic & they did acknowledge that some more may have drowned at sea without our knowledge but in no way is it “thousands”.

          Well, I am pleased that you have condescendingly allowed me to have my views re Howard & the Liberals. Thank you very much, I feel much better.

          PS There hasn’t been a Liberal government for many, many years. They have only been able to attain power by teaming up with the Nationals.

        • Joy if you won’t the Asylum seekers to come so much than Go and stand on a beach near Broome with a sign that says welcome Asylum seekers. The exact number that have drowned at sea is not the debate, either way a very large number have drowned.

      • I’d be wary of saying worst ever – I’m sure historically there are some other candidates for that title (William McMahon? Johnny Gorton? George Reid?) which is a subjective one anyhow – but Howard is certainly right up there for me especially when it comes to those I can recall in my lifetime. (Could be nostalgia but I’d rank those I’ve known in order – Hawke best, then GiIllard well clear of Keating, and then Rudd and finally a *very* long way behind those Howard as worst, Too young at the time to really recall either Fraser or Whitlam.)

        Howard does have a dreadful legacy and a lot to answer for especially on the issues of our horrendous (mis)treatment of refugees, taking part in foreign wars – although sadly not exceptional there – and delaying action on Human Induced Rapid Global Overheating.

        • Howard was pretty well close to being the worst, astrostevo, as he was in long enough to inflict the more serious damage to the Australian psyche. Creepo cretins such as Karen/Heidi were told it was okay to be racist, foaming at the mouth, psychopaths. Those who objected were dismissed as PC inner city latte-sipping-chardonnay-swilling-basket-weaving socialists & were to be despised with Howard’s encouragement. That nastiness was his abject legacy. He also thought Jackie Kelly was a shining light of the Liberal Party.

          Poor old buffoon Billy McMahon was just a temporary blip on the history of Oz & wasn’t PM long enough to cause any real damage in my opinion. Same with Reid & at least John Gorton had the nous to sack himself after just over three years as PM.

        • @joy cooper – August 16, 2013 at 8:58 pm : “Howard was pretty well close to being the worst, astrostevo, as he was in long enough to inflict the more serious damage to the Australian psyche.” Et cetera.

          You make some very good points and a solid case there,joy cooper. Yep.

          I’m just wary of political hyperbole and ever saying “worst ever” when ever is a very long time and there’ve been a number of really bad PMs in our history. But yes – I think you’re actually right,

        • Yes, astrostevo, there is always another “worst ever” PM coming along, isn’t there? I fear Abbott will fall into that category should we be unfortunate enough to suffer him as PM.

          With Howard, he made it (more than) ok to be greedy, self-centred “me me me”, racist & nasty in general, such traits which continue long after he has fled the scene of his “crimes”

        • Before Howard, probably the worst was Billy Hughes – a spiteful little man who spent most of his time in the UK. His desire for vengeance on Germany led to crippling reparations and the economic disaster it caused in Germany led to the rise of the Nazis.

        • PS. Guess a lot of the reason why that “worst ever PM” bit always gets my hackles up is how often right-wingers have so wrongly applied it to Gillard & Rudd. Neither of whoem is remotely near the “worst ever” status of course.

  4. Fraser was a former prime minister many many moons ago,that was 30 years ago, it’s not relevant to the situation now. Howard was the last liberal prime minister dealing with the situation 7 years back. It was his working plan that was dismantled by Labor in favor of a soft approach. I remember this happened, and I wondered how it would go. I thought that’s just encouraging them to come here. I tell you what, it more than encouraged them.

    • What has changed? What has changed so much? Fraser dealt with a huge increase in asylum seekers due to the ending of the vietnam war, in a way we see the benefits of today. Howard dealt with asylum seekers in a way that we’re trying to resolve now, with increased need for mental health services and welfare.

      “Howard was the last liberal prime minister dealing with the situation 7 years back.”

      And this is what I said about that:
      And then left everyone else to deal with the clean up. Because it’s not a clean solution-the pacific solution. It damages people, who still end up in Australia, except now they end up in Australia with mental illnesses and disabilities sustained by indefinite detention (Something which in Australia convicted rapists and murderers don’t receive-only asylum seekers are sentenced to indefinite detention), with no assistance in learning English, meaning they are unable to find work, settle, and actually make a life in Australia.

      But it looked good in the paper!

      • Fraser was in the early late 70’s early 80’s, it’s 30 years ago, this was when people were running around looking for a dingo that never existed. The people are not even coming from the same countries.

      • There can’t be economic incentives to come that is the idea. You have Indians coming for economic reasons, look at India, they have a population problem, we couldn’t even take 5% of the people without being overrun.

        • “You have Indians coming for economic reasons, ”

          Very few Indians are asylum seekers, even fewer are accepted, and virtually none come by boats. Indians come as students, and for skilled migraiton. What Abbot and Rudd are suggesting does not effect Indian migration one iota.

          “we couldn’t even take 5% of the people without being overrun.”

          Well thank goodness no one is saying we should!
          You seem to not understand what a refugee or an asylum seeker is. You do know you can’t just be poor in order to be accepted as a refugee, right?

      • I’ll repeat myself-what has changed?
        “The people are not even coming from the same countries.”

        Not true. We’ve had an increase of asylum seekers from Vietnam recently. And the transit country of Malaysia is still a common transit point.
        And what is it about the other source countries of Afghanistan and Iran that make this system not work and be totally wrong, compared to the countries of 30 years ago?

        “people were running around looking for a dingo that never existed.”

        Wait, so now you’re saying Lindsay Chamberlain is a killer?

        • I’ve been doing this too long. I mean, I want to ive examples, the reasons why Lindsay was eventually released from prison, and why she is wildly regarded now to not be involved in her daughter’s death, but then I realised-

          Heidi is a troll.
          Hell, Heidi is probably Karen.

          I’m just wasting my time here, aren’t I? I’m gonno go watch the Chaser.

  5. Ha! I’d almost completely forgotten about that despicable “fake Islamic group” pamphlet stunt. Same person, same Jackie Kelly? Wow. I too do not believe she didn’t know about it – just not credible.

    Jackie Kelly’s physical appearance is irrelevant but her mind must be a very ugly one. Abbott of course is ugly inside and out and has shown just how shallow a person he is -or thinks the rest of us are – too.

    • That is correct.astro Jackie Kelly, Howard’s poster girl, claimed to not know anything about this affair but how on earth would she have not known about it seeing as her husband was in it up to his eyeballs??

      You are also correct about the inner ugliness & sheer nastiness of the LNP. The Libs of today aren’t the Libs of 30 years ago.

  6. Finally realised that “Karen: is just a troll. Gawd, I’m thick. Shall henceforth ignore her “posts” especially as there is no point to them..

      • @ ^Heidi : Citation seriously needed. Off topic but Lindy Chamberlain was cleared multiple times by multiple separate inquires and commissions. Yes, it was a dingo, get over it.

      • You are Karen, Heidi. I really want this not to be true but

        You’ve turned up at the same time.
        You both believe Indians are coming to Australia as asylum seekers/refugees.
        Your comments are about word for word the same.
        You both believe a woman to be guilty of a crime she was absolved of ten years ago
        You both are saying things that happened before you were born doesn’t matter…because.
        You both want to stop asylum seekers from coming to Australia to prevent drownings, but also don’t want them to come at all.

  7. @ the now banned(?) Karen (August 16, 2013 at 5:03 pm) “Joy if you won’t the Asylum seekers to come so much than Go and stand on a beach near Broome with a sign that says welcome Asylum seekers.”

    You think they all turn up at Broome,at the one beach? Or that doing a syou suggets would be a smart productive thing to do? Fairly sure plenty of us here have carried “Welcome refugees!” (& not-so-welcome racists!) signs at various events and /or done things to show that, yes, we do welcome those fleeing persecution and trying to make new better lives for themselves and us here.

    “The exact number that have drowned at sea is not the debate, either way a very large number have drowned.”

    Yes – and? .

    My suggested solution would be to try processing a lot more and a lot more quickly onshore, in the community and without demonisation and xenophobia. Reduce demand for such risky voyages by making official immigration here easier, faster and cheaper so the people smugglers don’t have a market.

    Also those people smugglers who are doing criminal things should be cracked down on – arrested and charged appropriately – but not the refugees because, (do I need to put this in all-caps? Yes I think I do ) IT IS NOT ILLEGAL SEEK ASYLUM! In fact, we are obliged under international laws and conventions as well as our own ethics to help these people NOT lock them up, traumatise them for years, damaging them and our own culture and certainly NOT sending them back to face likely persecution, death, and torture in the lands they fled from or dump them on other poorer nations. .

    (I Know “karen’ is gone but I still think this bears posting rather than letting those words stand un-debunked.)

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