105 thoughts on “Election Tips From Ben ‘Bulldoze-and-Burn-the-Mosques’ Sherwood”
Raelene Linfield of the “westside”. With a head that’d make an onion cry.
I lol’ed. The ugly one’s on the inside are so often ugly on the outside.
These people are truly brain dead. HIS taxes paying for a new mosque??? From where did this Einstein come up with THAT pearler? Still, what they don’t know they make up just to scare themselves witless. They have to keep on complaining about the guvmint to divert themselves from their own woeful lives.
My word, that Raelene is all class, too. She must be so proud of her profile pic.
What does insulting her appearance have to do with public shaming of racists
Way to stoop to a lower level Warren =\
Ok Mr Chuck what is your opinion of Ben and Raelene racist rants, that is clearly not based on facts?
Mr Chuck opinion is silent?
Sorry, Mr. Chuck, you must have misinterpreted what I said, my apologies.
I think the Australian flags hanging in the background says it all. It’s always the tools.
Lol admin – how funny is it when they create made up people to agree with themselves?
Even funnier when they create made-up people to disagree with them – is that a new form of masochism?
No, you are right in insulting her appearance.
So what Ben is saying what non-Islamic groups or people have done is ok?
Like The FBI building bombing, Jones Town,The Unibomber, The IRAgroups,The Red Brigade etc
So what exactly have these people done wrong? They just look like normal average people to me. * scratches head.
Calling on politicians to bulldoze and burn mosques. That’s what. The way they look is irrelevent, and not the reason they are here.
Yer, sorry about that.
Ah ok, politician’s would never actually do that though. I agree though that this was not just some random attack, it was religiously motivated particularly by Islam, you can’t get around that fact.
So it’s okay to call for something if you don’t think it will happen? So, if I’m really mad at you, it’s fine for me to demand that politicians have you expelled or something like that?
” I agree though that this was not just some random attack,”
True, it wasn’t. Neither have the firebombings of mosques which followed and preceded the attack.
“, it was religiously motivated particularly by Islam, you can’t get around that fact.”
No one is. But how is a western person with anger wanting to attack and blame all Muslims for the acts of a few somehow better than a Muslim man with anger wanting to attack and blame all Westerners for the acts of their government?
The guys were Nigerian actually, strange that they are Muslims. The Muslims have taken over big parts of North Africa like in Mali. The French had to come in and save the indigenous people, all libraries and places of historical significance were burnt, really terrible. It’s like the injustices races suffered at the hands of whites centuries ago but in modern times.
“It’s like the injustices races suffered at the hands of whites centuries ago but in modern times.”
Injustices committed by all sides are still happening. It’s not something whites did centuries ago, and have now gotten over. Iraq has been devastated by the war, it’s complete society being dismantled, and is only slowly being repaired now, and that’s just the most recent example. Ask the people of South East Asia how much their indigenous people, their places of historical significance were cared for by westerners.
Yeah but Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator that committed horrific crimes. Osama Bin laden was responsible for horrific crimes and deliberate terrorist acts against innocent people.
So what are they going to do just sit back and let them continue?
The world doesn’t need people like this to continue with their evil acts.
I’d say Western powers will probably stay out of any further conflicts, because everyone blames them for most of the worlds problems.
I’m talking about the injustices against using blacks as slaves and for labour a few hundred years ago. But the west was the first to recognise that this was wrong and they had made mistakes. So credit must be given for that. The Arabs had slavery also, but they still act like people did hundreds of years ago with burning down villages etc. Even hundreds of years ago whites didn’t do that, they were looking to exploit natives for workers, which they now realise was wrong and rightly so.
“So what are they going to do just sit back and let them continue?
The world doesn’t need people like this to continue with their evil acts.”
Okay, I agree Afghanistan was the right idea, and America had legitimate cause. But if the Iraq invasion was fought only of a basis of “Saddam was evil” (Which was the last reason given in the lead up), then I gotta ask-why Iraq? Are we saying that the dictators of Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia, China, Burma, Iran, the Congo, Sudan, North Korea, are actually much better than Saddam in terms of human rights?
If you think that we couldn’t look away from Iraq on human rights grounds, then why have we been looking away from all the other countries with terrible human rights records?
The problem I have with the IRaq war is not just that it was corrupt, that it destroyed the country and hoped it would be okay afterwards, but mostly that by rushing off to Iraq as soon as they could, the Bush administration reduced its efforts in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan invasion was working, it was hurting the Taliban and Al Quaida (Both becoming hugely unpopular in the Western world due to September 11), and its people were ready for a new society to be built in a country that has been in war for decades.
“I’d say Western powers will probably stay out of any further conflicts, because everyone blames them for most of the worlds problems.”
John McCain is in Syria right now. Drones now have further legislation to allow attacks in Pakistan and other middle eastern countries. Nothing is changing.
“The Arabs had slavery also, but they still act like people did hundreds of years ago with burning down villages etc. ”
Arabs describe a huge number of people, you know, not just one group. There are Christian Arabs even. Do you think it’s really fair to call the entire population of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Algeria, Morrocco, Yemen, Palestine, Qatar and many more people who haven’t changed their actions in a hundred years, and are burning down villiages in Mali (Incidentally-Mali is not a part of the Arabic world).
“Even hundreds of years ago whites didn’t do that, they were looking to exploit natives for workers, which they now realise was wrong and rightly so.”
Um….no. The whites were still burning down villages as recently as the 70’s. It’s called Vietnam.
And as for now we’ve realised it’s wrong to exploit the native workers…how do you think your iphone gets made?
We are not living in a great utopia of white people being peaceful, friendly, and equal, and why won’t all the non-whites just get their act together and be more like us. We are living in a time where the West has managed to globalise inequality, so we don’t have to see it so much.
“The Arabs had slavery also, but they still act like people did hundreds of years ago with burning down villages etc. Even hundreds of years ago whites didn’t do that, they were looking to exploit natives for workers, which they now realise was wrong and rightly so.”
Wait, I seem to remember seeing something on the news not that long ago about white people slaughtering villages, raping women and committing ethnic cleansing, what was that? Right, the Bosnian war.
Only 18 years ago white Christians spent a few years trying to wipe out a muslim majority. Tell me more about how the good and righteous white people have not committed appalling acts of brutality to each other in hundreds of years.
Yeah I agree with you, mistakes were made with Iraq, that is probably why the west is reluctant to intervene in other conflicts. But with Afghanistan what bugs me is that it is in the whole worlds best interests that terrorism is not allowed to continue and tollerated, but only a few countries are actively involved in Afghanistan. It’s very disappointing because in my opinion there is no justification of the
September 11 terrorist attacks and the other Muslim terrorist attacks that have followed. It has severely affected Americas economy and all sorts, and you have countries like China who have now want to be recognised as a global superpower, but they have not helped in any way in Afghanistan even though it is in their region of the world. Even with the North Korea conflict also.
To not use your geographic location and influence in the region for good is not the right thing to do.
So for all the criticism of the West, we must recognise that they are actively responding to threats of peace while a lot of others are simply bystanders.
The West is very interested in the large oil and gas reserves under Afghanistan’s soil. They are keen the Russians and Chinese do not get hold of them.
This has largely driven Western interests in Afghanistan whether you like it or not.
Rupert, you’ve ignored a lot of points I made. Why Iraq over any other inhumane country? The fact is, Iraq was never about human rights-if it was they would have said so from the get go. Instead we got “Link to terrorism” (false) “Nucelar weapons” (False), “Weapons of mass destruction” (False)/ If all they wanted to do was get rid of one dictator out of many, why not say that from the start instead of making things up?
Do you think it’s really fair to call the entire population of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Algeria, Morrocco, Yemen, Palestine, Qatar and many more people who haven’t changed their actions in a hundred years, and are burning down villiages in Mali (Incidentally-Mali is not a part of the Arabic world).
And as for now we’ve realised it’s wrong to exploit the native workers…how do you think your iphone gets made?
“But with Afghanistan what bugs me is that it is in the whole worlds best interests that terrorism is not allowed to continue and tollerated, but only a few countries are actively involved in Afghanistan.”
True. For a while it wasn’t even America getting involved.
“It’s very disappointing because in my opinion there is no justification of the
September 11 terrorist attacks and the other Muslim terrorist attacks that have followed.”
There’s no justification for any terrorist attacks, whether Muslim or non-Muslim. Which was the point of some of my comments. No one, is justifying terrorist attacks here (No matter what you seem to think based on some of your comments). Everyone is disagreeing that the acts of the few should be blamed on the many. Which is the point of this post. What do you hink> Is it fair to punish all Muslims for the acts of the minority?
“you have countries like China who have now want to be recognised as a global superpower, but they have not helped in any way in Afghanistan even though it is in their region of the world. Even with the North Korea conflict also. ”
Well, they have helped out with North Korea. Which country do you think is the only country North Korea listens to? True, ithey haven’t been involved in Afghanistan, probably because they don’t want to be involved in something they don’t control and can’t get out of.
“So for all the criticism of the West, we must recognise that they are actively responding to threats of peace while a lot of others are simply bystanders.”
The truth is, the West, like the East, like the South and the North, is doing what benefits itself. That’s what countries do. The reason why Iraq happened is that it benefited the West, and the reason that America didn’t go to East Timor while Australia did is that it did not benefit America.
I don’t think the West are interested in oil and gas at all. I think that the West is interested in the people responsible for the September 11 terrorist events.
The West were the people who got the Arabs the oil in the first place and let them become rich from it!
Err… no. The oil was there for millions of years.
The oil belonged to the people indigenous to the area – namely the Bedouins and Arabs who live in countries like Saudi Arabia, and the Iraqis. That’s why Iraq was invaded. That’s why the US has such a cosy covert relationship with the fundamentalist Wahabists of Saudi Arabia.
“I don’t think the West are interested in oil and gas at all.”
Then why Iraq? There’s no link to September 11. And why would the US army occupy the oil fields of Iraq before the weapons bases?
Wait wait wait. So we started out with “Those terrible muslims are destroying Mali” and now its “Those terrible Arabs are destroying Mali” and you’re acting like people are disagreeing with you on this?
Arab does not equal Muslim does not equal terrorist does not equal Arab, and so on.
This is what you mean to say: “Extremist and terrorists in Mali are destroying native lands, and killing innocent people” – no one disagrees with you.
When you say stuff like “Arabs are savages who burn towns like no white person would ever do” you get disagreement. When you say stuff like “Well I don’t want to call all Muslims extremists but those terrorists had to learn it from someone” you get disagreement. These comments are what people are objecting to. Not comments of “Terrorists are bad and we hate them”
Incidentally, you should read up about white privelege. Its the lucky thing you and I have that we know that if someone who has the same skin colour like us, and says they share the same religion goes and kills a bunch of people, you and I would never be blamed for that. Yet in this page both you and other people are not giving the same justice to the majority of peace loving Muslims and Arabs. Do you think that’s fair?
Well where injustices have occurred I’m 100 percent with you, but I think the West has been very proactive in trying to prevent a lot of evil regimes gathering momentum. You have to give credit for that.
Which regimes? Bosnia and Herzegovnia, and Serbia are the only one that comes to mind.
But that is not Westerners. That’s getting closer to the middle East
I meant, which regimes have the west been proactive in trying to prevent. I think Serbia would count, and Bsonia herzegovnia. I can think of quite a few where the West came late (Rwanda, in America’s case, WWII, in the world’s case, Japan in WWII), or the West replaced a either benign or evil dictator with a much worse dictator (Argentina springs to mind, as does Iran).
Well the recent Muslim occupation of Timbuktu, the French basically saved the indigenous people from a dire situation. Timbuktu is a place with a lot of historical significance and the Muslims came through and burnt libraries and all important historical sites and imposed their rules. The Mali people are very grateful to the French for their intervention. Even the first European explorers who discovered the great city were not violent towards the people, and were in awe of their trade and flourishing society. But the Muslims just want to tear the place up like it never existed and commit violent acts. They are hateful towards the West and this hatred is unjustified. They want power.
Rwanda is another example of when people were being slaughtered again nothing to do with westerners but they were the ones who came to Aid and stop the conflict. There are many instances, so you need to stop focusing on justifying these hateful crimes with past wrongs of Westerners and treat them for hateful acts.
Hate to disappoint you but Mali is a Muslim country and Timbuktu was a renowned centre of Islamic scholarship at a time when most Europeans were illiterate semi-slaves under feudal overlords.
Check out the two-part programme ABC’s Foreign Correspondent recently did on Timbuktu.
Now imagine an ancient and cultured Western city like Venice in Italy being invaded by a bunch of dumb Christian fundamentalist rednecks. The jihadist insurgents who invaded Timbuktu in 2012 were like that.
They were not interested in Timbuktu’s ancient library nor its famous and unique architecture. Nor were they typical Muslims. Nor were they particularly interested in “the West”.
Please read some history before you post stuff. We have real historians here. With no knowledge you end up looking like one of those jihadists. Or one of those Christian fundies.
No Mali and Timbuktu are not extreme religious places, there are many religions and people in Timbuktu. The French are the original occupiers, and they have never acted like the Muslims from the north.
As has been pointed out, the Indigenous people of Mali were Muslims as well. This false dichotomy of “Save the good Mali people from the evil Muslims” is false, it’s more like “Save the moderate Muslim people from the extremist Muslim terrorists!”
And it’s a different case in that it’s not about nation building, or replacing a dictator, Mali was being claimed by some terrorist groups that neither the government nor the country people wanted. France has no intention of building up a country, they were responding to a call for help from the Mali government.
“But the Muslims just want to tear the place up like it never existed and commit violent acts. They are hateful towards the West and this hatred is unjustified. They want power.”
Y’see, this is the problem. “Muslims hate us because we’re Western and their Muslim” does nothing but continue conflict. Because how is anyone going to solve a conflict if we honestly believe that no one’s mind can be changed.
And the truth is, and we know this from people who have worked with Islamic terrorists, that terrorists and extremists don’t hate us because we are the west and they are Muslim and never the two shall meet (After all, considering the many muslims who live in the west, never bothering anyone, we know that’s not true). In Afghanistan one senior Taliban member who had absolutely refused to work with interrogators gave up a lot of information just after the interrogator listened to his complaints about America and said he could understand them.
Most terrorists, no matter where they are from or what their belief systems, have some sort of legitimate reasons to hate and be angry. No one wakes up and decides to be the bad guy in a movie. Everyone thinks they’re the good guy in their own life story. The EDL who are in the news at the moment is made up of normal people who are really angry that someone could be killed in the street, and feel the Government is not doing enough (A fair enough point). The boston Bombers had, amongst their many odd statements, seemed to believe that Chechnya deserved autonomy-is that really something you object to? The two murders in London were complaining about innocents being killed in Afghanistan-is the slaughter of innocent people in Afghanistan something you support? Now before accusations fly about being a terrorist apologist, all the above groups are engaging in terrible actions for which they should all be rightly punished. But if we are goi ng to pretend that any terrorist group is made up of stock villains from an action flick with no beliefs apart from “I hate to hate” then we don’t solve anything.
Kill a terrorist, others will rise in their place. And if you kill them and accidentally take out a few innocent people at the same time, expect ten to take their place. Find out why people become terrorists, cut that supply line, then things can start to improve.
True, some leaders of all the above groups just want power. And that’s why they grab something that has public interest and support from the desired population (for the EDL it’s this recent murder, for Al Quaida it’s the opression of the Palestinian people), try to link themselves to this regardless of whether the victims want this (The victims family has no interest in the EDL, the Palestinians have no interest in Al Quaida). And if we can catch and kill these guys, great, but the entry level guy doesn’t start out wanting power (How could he? He’s got none!), he wants to address a real anger he has (Or in the cae of third world participants, wants to eat and study).
Yes you are correct Mali is mostly Muslim, but the Arabs are suppressing innocent black people and destroying their villages.
Well it’s not “Muslims hate us because we’re Western and their Muslim” it’s They’re Muslim.
Either way you justify it, North African black people are having their homelands destroyed by Arabs.
Not being from that region in the world I do not know of South East Asia occupation. The past is not a justification of violence, we are better than that and Whites today should not feel guilt over something that may have happened in a different time period when the world was different. That is what I think, because otherwise violence just continues. I don’t know about the Asia problem I am unaware.
” The past is not a justification of violence, we are better than that and Whites today should not feel guilt over something that may have happened in a different time period when the world was different. ”
Rupert, you’re misinterpreting this. No one is justifying violence. We’re just objecting to your belief that the West is a peace bringer that never engages in terrible acts. Believing that we are shining lights who poop perfection and peace only makes those who disagree in the slightest way to be irredeemably evil. And that stops any path to peace-you can’t negotiate with evil, can’t stop evil, you just have to kill it. And this narrative is being spoken on both sides-the fundamentalist groups see the West as irredeemably evil just as much as the extreme anti-Muslim groups see the Muslims as evil.
A path between the moderates is a way to stop terrorism. If a person can access food and education for their child in the third world, the option of joining the Taliban or Al Quada will be far less attractive. If we work with moderate muslim groups to intervene and prevent the radicalisation of young men, give them something they care about, sacrificing their life for a cause will be far les attractive (It’s, incidentally, a theory most young offender programs work on).
” I don’t know about the Asia problem I am unaware.”
Well, to summarise-
During the Vietnam war agent orange was sprayed over large areas, getting into water supplies. To this day, children are born severely deformed because of this.
Mines were planted along Cambodia and Laos. To this day they exist, waiting to go off.
That’s the stuff that is still ongoing, the atrocities during the war were far more severe.
Both of the perpetrators of the horrendous massacre of a drummer in the British Army, were born in England & are of Christian Nigerian background. At least one of whom was born in London. Both are converts to Islam.
Yeah that’s my point, Muslim, new to the religion or not, they were obviously to carry out the act by other Muslim extremists. That to me is obvious. All the new converts get the dirty work.
Well, converts in general are more extreme than those born in the role-same in most religions (Hence the term “Born Again Christians”).
They’re also young men, with a lot of anger. They’re probably unemployed, with few goals for the future, but hating the ways things are and wanting to change them. Go to every culture, every race, every religion, every nationality, and you find angry young men, revolutionary young men. Now in England, like everywhere, you have fundamentalists trying to tap into that anger in Muslims and those who could be converted into Islam, to strike out against someone else (Extremist muslim groups have the added benefit of advising young adults to condemn their parents for not being good followers of Islam), just as you have those in the EDL trying to get unemployed, angry young white guys to use their anger to attack Muslims in particular, and anyone different in general. There are similar organisations which try to turn that young male aggression into fights for Communism (My particular youthful weakness), mysogyny (most MRA’s are like this), racism in general, and all types of religious supremacy.
What annoys me is when attacks like this happen, and the entire Muslim community is blamed, when really, the Muslim belief system isn’t a cause, it’s an excuse. The Boston Bombers for example, have more in common with the Sandy Hook killer, and in particular the Monash University shooter than they do with Osama bin Laden. They are all disaffected, unconnected, young men, who are angry, unsatisfied, with clear mental illnesses, who actually want to die but want to go out by taking others with them, who take out their rage on whoever they can find. But those who are not Muslim are seen as sad tragedies, which nothing can be learnt from, but when you slap the word “Muslim” on an act, everyone says “Now we’ve got to get rid of all the Muslims”
One site I’ve seen pointed out that in the last month in England, not only was an innocent soldier killed in the street by thugs, an old Muslim man was killed in Birmingham in the street by a white guy. Now, some have said “Why only the attention on the first one?” which isn’t fair-the first was was in broad daylight, designed to be viewed by most people, the latter was down in dark in private-but the better question is why has the first lead to an outcry of hatred against all Muslims and Islam as a whole, but the latter hasn’t resulted in any calls for all white males to be deported, ethnic cleansing, or anything like the comments I’ve seen directed at Muslims in the last week.
Yeah I don’t know man, I don’t want to paint all Muslims, but that is the whites country. I’d call them extremists, there was an incident when an African man king hit a young Muslim women a little while ago for no reason at all, so it’s happening in all directions.
“I don’t want to paint all Muslims, but that is the whites country. ”
What do you mean by this? Are you saying terrorist attacks would be okay in a non-white country? Or are you saying a Muslim in a white country is an extremist? I’m a bit confused.
“there was an incident when an African man king hit a young Muslim women a little while ago for no reason at all, so it’s happening in all directions.”
And there’s a case of a white guy stabbing a Muslim grandfather. So every group has it’s terrible people.
They learn’t Islam from some person though, it is easy to distance from the man as not representing Islam, but they got their ideology from someone.
The exact same thing could be said about all ideologies. At the moment the news is filled with fears of “Lone Wolf Muslim terrorists” – do you know which religious group were called Lone Gun terrorists only 15 years ago? Christians. The army of God, much like Al Quaida nowadays, actually called for lone gun terrorist attacks against the godless government/homosexuals, etc. The biggest known case of this was the bombing of the Atlanta Olympics.
So, do we ban ideologies, in all forms?
Well I’m a white Australian man who does not have any strong religious beliefs, but I can put on a good BBQ
You’re ignoring the question. As all ideologies can be turned into extremism, including Islam, do we ban all ideologies?
All of these terrorist incidents are by Muslims and are inflicted on innocent people of the west. I personally can’t see a way to justify it.
No one’s justifying it. That’s a myth. What we are doing is saying that not all Muslims are terrorists, and blaming them all for the actions of a few is unfair, and bigoted. Understanding why an event occurred is not the same as justifying it, in fact, it’s the best way of stopping it happening again.
And not all terrorist attacks are by Muslims on innocent people. Ander Behring Breivik was not a Muslim. The man who brutally stabbed that elderly Muslim man in Birmingham was not a Muslim. Also, most terrorist attacks by Muslims largely kill…only muslims.
Nonsense. The greatest number of victims of Islamist terrorism are Muslims. This was the case in Bali, it is the case daily in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I’m sorry I don’t think that you are looking at it in the right way JM I don’t think pointing out an incident where a white person did something wrong justify’s anything.
Are you trying to say that whites are as bad as Muslims with these crimes? I’m sorry I disagree.
Listen, Rupert, get a tattoo stating “No one is justifying terrorism” Because no one is. One’s sin does not justify another. What I am saying is that we are not the heroes of the world, defending the planet for its own sake, with those who oppose us being irredeemably evil and unable to reconciled with at all, therefore we must kill them all.
“Are you trying to say that whites are as bad as Muslims with these crimes? I’m sorry I disagree.”
I wouldn’t put it that way. I’d state instead that terrorism does not occur in a vacuum. No one wakes up and decides to end their life in a way that takes out as many people as possible. Finding out why people choose to become terrorists and stopping or damaging that pathway is more productive in stopping terrorism, than calling to punish all people of a religion made up of moderates, extremists, and even lax followers.
I mean, the original comments-how would bulldozing and burning down mosques stop terrorism. Please tell me. Because I’m a christian, and a pretty lax one. I believe everyone is allowed their own religion, their own sexuality, and that as a Christian my role is to make their lives better for them. But, if you stopped me from practising my religion which hurts no one, and burn down or bulldoze my church, expect me to be angry.
I’d also say that if we flipped the religion/ethnicity of the perpertrator and the victim, as these cases occur, instead of being international front page news, it would be lucky if it appeared in a newspaper at all.
Like I said, 3 weeks ago, an elderly Muslim man was stabbed on his way home by a white man in his 30’s with a shaved head. Why are their no comments of “We should deport all shaved head men!” and “Let’s destroy all footbal clubs-to stop hooligans like this guy?” and “How about ethnic cleansing of all white men” – all these comments have been made in regards to Muslims.
I like it when people think you are an ethnic and treat you different. I’ve played that game many times before.
I don’t like tattoos.
Why is every single time there is a Muslim act of violence and terror people try and say that it is somehow the fault of the West and point out things that the West has done wrong. Why is this? People are brain washed to defend ethnics..
So now we’ve gone from “Muslims are evil” to “Arabs are evil” to “Ethnics are evil in general”? Is that right?
“Why is every single time there is a Muslim act of violence and terror people try and say that it is somehow the fault of the West and point out things that the West has done wrong. Why is this? ”
You literally have not read a word anyone has posted here, have you? No one is blaming the terrorist actions on anyone but the terrorists. We are trying to understand why the terrorist attacks occurs, because it doesn’t just happen without any change. People are not born evil, people do not choose to be evil, and people do not think of themselves as evil even when committing evil acts. Finding out why they do these acts work better to stop them than just blaming all ethnics/Muslims/Arabs, then expecting peace after tarring the innocent with the sins of the guilty.
Terrorists are angry at the west. Why? Apparently to you, that’s an evil question which immediatly causes us to apologise for terrorism. But if we actually find out what leads people to terrorism, and find out if there’s a way to lead people away from terrorism, wouldnt that be better?
Or should we just blame all ethnics and complain that they’re, y’know, to blame collectively for the crime of the few. Just like we don’t do for white people.
“People are brain washed to defend ethnics..”
Please, please please. Tell me more. Tell me how we have to defend all those ethnics, and how terrible the ethnics are. Tell me how we’re brainwashed.
I am done finished, this is all I have to say.
Good for you. So I’ll just summarise:
1- No one is defending terrorism. You are wrong to say otherwise.
2- It is wrong to blame all Muslims/Arabs/Ethnics for the crimes of the few, just as it would be wrong to blame any crime on an innocent person. You are wrong to say otherwise.
3- Trying to understand why terrorism occurs is not the same as apologising or symapthising for it. Terrorism does not exist in a vacuum.
4- The West is not a beacon of goodness that never does anything wrong, while all other cultures are acting like they did centuries ago. The West does terrible things (Not just in long ago times), and the other cultures are also capable of positive things. To simplify things down to a global “Good vs Evil” narrative makes peace impossible, as it states that anyone who disagrees with the West, even disagreeing nonviolently, must be evil, because we Westerners are good.
5- All ideologies are capable of extremism, and all groups have bad people. Do we ban all people, all groups?
6- White prievelege-why Muslims in London can expect attacks, abuse, and harrasment for a crime they did not commit and have no connection to, but white men don’t need to be worried about being connected to the stabbing of a senior citizen. Does that sound fair to you?
Fortunately I had made up my mind well before the ‘I don’t like tattoos’ add on to the unrelated paragraph?? They certainly ‘paint a picture’ with their words..so to speak
The ‘royal’ they.
Ah Skip one comment up Ashitaka
JM : Listen, Rupert, get a tattoo stating
Yeah real good picture, yeah I was thinking the same thing really fortunate to be able to make up your mind, because some people have trouble with that, I was at McDonalds the other day and there was this man in the line in front of me and I was there for ages, he kept changing his mind.
So…Rupert, you feel annoyed that someone thinks you’re talking about something unrelated, then decide to follow it up by rambling about McDonalds?
You’re a troll, aren’t you?
He’s a troll.
No I am studying world religions at the moment and I was using some information from this site. I just wanted to contribute to the discussion that’s all. Sorry to spoil the discussion then I won’t write anymore.
Then why ramble on about McDonalds.
I was just clearing up her confusion, it’s all good.
Yeah I’m not a BBQ expert or studying anything, but you have made such little contribution to discussion that it sounds ok doesn’t it?
Yeah I had no idea what gender or nationality Ashitaka is so after a comment such as the one you posted, well the gender had been decided becuase with a fifty fifty chance of either offending or guessing right I saw that as a win win, no troubles mate, gladly.
I think that more could be said to condemn the incident and make that really clear.
What? What more could be done to satisfy you? We’ve already got Muslim groups the world over condemning attacks, praying for the families and the victim, organising huge prayer summits to do this, have engaged with anti-Muslim rioters with tea and biscuits in one case….so what more should be done?
And, incidentally, why is nothing being asked of the other side. As I said, both before and after these attacks there have been brutal attacks on Muslims in London, why aren’t we demanding that more groups of white men condemn these attacks and make their anger really clear?
Err no… I’m not the confused one, you probably need to actually read each response in full and not just pick up on the odd line that you are confident in trying to discredit. It is also evident that what you have chosen to study is not really right for you. You can always fall back on your ‘BBQing’ skills. Oh and Ashitaka is a male name, quite common in Japan.
So what is your opinion on the matter Ashitaka? Now that you know that I am not a BBQ expert or studying “world religions” how about we actually hear some input from you, or do you take the sit back and make comments about a poster, but post nothing of yourself approach?
Yeah you take the latter, don’t say anything and no one can pick fault with you right?
Fortunately I had made up my mind well before the ‘I don’t like tattoos’ add on to the unrelated paragraph?? They certainly ‘paint a picture’ with their words..so to speak
Sounds like a Question to me, rhetorical or not, so what’s the case how would you like to be interpreted?
Could feed you some bullshit (your style) but I don’t have much time for trolls, amusing as it is..
Good Work! You troll statuses and repost without the people knowing and make private photos public. And yes Australia committed millions of dollars building mosques not only in Australia. You all are posting ancient history, how about you read CURRENT NEWS and stop arguing off topic.
Here is an exert you may enjoy; “We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid. Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom.”
How about you learn about the religion before you bash unknowing everyday people having conversations with their friends.
And if you must know the photo was taken at a fun night for raising money for cancer so it seems you are more stupid than you may realise with your big intellectual politically correct statements. The beanie was being used for a game douche bags.
I really couldn’t care what you find attractive, you aren’t worth the keyboard you type on. You hide with your fake names and no picture because your gutless.
Oh look it’s the Consort of Hate herself.
Oh and we know a damn sight more about Islam than you numpties.
Now go away and continue pulling wings off insects.
Anyone who causes unnecessary harm to animals is not right in the head.
It’s “you’re gutless” why can’t people spell? oh well. One thing with terrorism is that the goal is often to cause divide and disruption. If we allow this to happen, we are giving the terrorists what they want. All respectable people are against terrorism no matter what your religion.
“You troll statuses and repost without the people knowing and make private photos public. ”
So, you believe it’s wrong to republicise already public comments? How does that work exactly? I mean, if I shout an offensive thing in public, does everyone have to get my permission before telling anyone?
“And yes Australia committed millions of dollars building mosques not only in Australia. ”
Source please. Sometihng real, not made by a crazy person.
“You all are posting ancient history,”
May 23 is now ancient history. I thought it was only a few weeks ago, but apparently it’s ancient history.
“We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.”
Yeah, it’s kinda good to present a source for these things, rather than just post random lines and ask for opinions. Hence why I don’t ask for your opinion on this: “I eat babies for breakfast. Yummy yummy babies, umm yum” because I just made it up.
But to be nice (Because I am) I did a bit of research, and found it was made by one fundamentalist, who has been denounced by Sydney’s most sneior cleric. Did you know that? Or are you so eager to find one extremist to justify your beliefs you didn’t bother to check if anyone’s listening to him? Did you know that over the last year even he’s backtracked I said he was not as wise in his comments as he thought? Wow-I wish other extremists thought about their beliefs, and realise that they were making mistakes (Hint-hint).
Let me tell you a thing about white christian privelege. I’m a Christian, and one of the great tthings about this is I don’t ever have to worry when a Christian does something terrible or says something terrible, as I know me and my beliefs won’t be judged on their actions. So, even the most militant of atheists don’t really think my beliefs are the same as the Westbaro Baptist church, for example.
Sadly enough, other groups in society (Muslims, Brown people, gays), don’t get the same privelege. If one person says something extreme n those groups, all are blamed for it. Do you think that’s fair?
“How about you learn about the religion before you bash unknowing everyday people having conversations with their friends.”
I have. Spent a few years sutdying it. And have lived, worked with and befriended Muslims, both Australian and non-Australian born, male and female. And let me tell you, you can’t define such a group with one brush. They aren’t one singular group-but many many people each with their own history, beliefs, and personality.
Anyway, that’s my experience of Islam in Australia. Please, tell me when you’ve met and sp;oken with a Muslim in real life?
“And if you must know the photo was taken at a fun night for raising money for cancer so it seems you are more stupid than you may realise with your big intellectual politically correct statements. ”
Cool, so if someone is involved in a charity cause, that means that we can never criticise them, no matter what they do? So, all the KKK, the Nazis, and NAMBLA have to do is donate some money somewhere, and they’ll be above approach?
The Yakuza have actually helped a lot in Japan with disaster relief. Doesn’t mean they’re not crooks though.
“I really couldn’t care what you find attractive, you aren’t worth the keyboard you type on. ”
And yet you write. You say you don’t care, that we’re not worth typing to, but yet you post over and over again.
“You hide with your fake names and no picture because your gutless.”
Do you not see the hypocrisy of this line? Unless your actual name is “Mr/Ms Don’t Care” and your face is a blueish crab thing with eyestalks? I can’t imagine the anti-immigration groups would be happy to allow you into the country in that case.
Where do I write anything about hate? Your sound a bit psychotic. It’s only an opinion and you have your bra in a knot over it?
So when you complain about Muslims, that’s out of love?
“It’s only an opinion and you have your bra in a knot over it?”
So…we must accept everything if it’s an opinion? I’d go into detail about why you’re wrong, but thankfully, amazing cartoonist David Willis has done this for me:
Also, aren’t you being a bit gender-dismissive? You know the woman is complaining, but so tell her there’s no reason to complain, probably somrthing wrong with her bra, she should just stop talking. But I’m sure you like to think your a guy who respects women….when they say what you want them to say, and do what you want them to do.
Funny how you’ve neglected to explain why the facebook post was racist, defamation much? Just goes to show the intellectual crowd you draw. What you are doing is far worse than the people that you abuse on this web site-without their consent. I don’t see any mention of race in the comments from anyone in the facebook post.
Grubs? Pricks?
Nah not discriminatory.
Go fuck yourself.
You lot are bigots. Look it up. Bigotry stems from ignorance. Look that up too.
Okay, just to be clear….it’s much worse to republish already public information than it is to call for the burning down of religious buildings? How so exactly? I mean, calling for the burning down of religious buildings creates a fear for an entire group of people, even if no one acts on these comments, but republishing a public comment doesn’t effect anyone more than the original comment does.
Incidentally, are you saying that all public comments are now suddenly public unless a person permits their redistribution. If so, you better get to work, son. You’ve got so many newspapers, filled with comments that are not published with a person’s commission. Hell, we got those recent racist rants on public transport vids, pretty sure no one gave permission or those public rants to be publicised publically. Are they to be banned too? Or is it only wrong to republicise already public comments when it’s someone you agree with?
True, Islam is not a race, but the posters are calling for the destruction of all Muslim buildings because of the crimes of the far few. This is called bigotry, which racism is a part of, and usually closely related to (Yet to find an antimuslim organisation which isn’t also white supremacist, and anti woman and anti gay for that matter too). If it makes you feel better to say “These beliefs are bigoted” instead of “These beliefs are racist” please, go ahead. Makes no difference for us, and in terms of how the rest of the world view your comments, makes no difference then.
racism is racism stop making crap up to suit your own stories, and this was not posted as global on purpose. Go on in your own self deluded fashion using random posts from people you know nothing about. You have no substance, this fbook post was made when a man was beheaded and and another man had his heart cut out and a bite taken out of it. People have the right to be angry how dare you slander people with no knowledge of the individuals you are no better slagging someone and calling them ugly what a big keyboard king you are, your post is void and complete rubbish. You’re pathetic get a life.
So they happened in your neighbourhood did they? We don’t recall seeing them in the press here, or on SBS or the ABC.
So quite likely they were doctored mashups from the hate sites you lot love to visit.
You see, if you can blame mythical radical Muslims or other groups for your paranoia and your woes you don’t need to take responsibility for your own life.
Get real.
Thanks for turning up to tell us how much you don’t care Raelene. Thanks for telling us in such a way as to make it obvious that you do care.
They were all over the news!! Where do you live in a cave? Nice white hate site you have going here
We are white people (mostly).
We detest racists and bigots. In this country the vast majority are white.
Where’s your evidence?
“Don’t care” must care as they come here to write BS clearly not based on facts.
As if they get their head out of their arse and the arse of The APP, this site is against racism.
mindmade up, you make me laugh. Do you not hear the news? Do you not read a paper. What the facebook post that is in question her is about is Woolwich attack in London on a British soldier, the offenders are on trial… Are you seriously saying that this didn’t happen?
This was made up from a hate site? You are a dead set idiot.
People are allowed their opinions, yes, you are allowed yours. Its the terrorists we have issues with? yes / no? Not any one race. The EXTREMISTS from no matter background, race or religion. right?
Now don’t hop on your fucking high horse and call me names because I have not put a label, or stereotype on any one here, but naming and showing people voicing opinions, stolen from Facebook, which in the hands of these EXTREMISTS puts people in very grave danger. Real danger.
That constitutes treason in my book. Putting fellow Australians at risk. How dare you.
You should be shut down.
By the way how can you abuse free speech? Its free.
Go on, Author of this page Announce to the world who you are at the moment? You gutless little prick.
Were you suitably outraged when the IRA attacked English targets? Were you appalled at the Oklahoma bombings? Are you outraged at the activities of the Lord’s Resistance Army in Africa?
No didn’t think so.
And Trooper Rigby’s family are not too impressed at the right-wing rubbish baying loudly in the British media and committing violent acts on British streets. They have said so.
So shut up.
You fucking loser. Wont post my comment hey. Just goes to show you are nothing but a weak gutless fuckwit. Your time will come. Gutless yellow spined moron.
Settle petal. You just had words in your comment that triggered spam.
In fact, the entire comment was a bit tl;dr
I hate all acts of terror don’t be stupid. I am outraged at all of it. What a dumb comment. That’s all you have to come back with I guess. Do you think its fine to make targets of everyday people?
You amuse me, I didn’t say what I don’t care for, but that just shows you take a small sentence and run it into the ground. Here’s something I really don’t care about- your colour or origin, because you are such a sad bored little individual that takes joy in hurting other people and you troll facebook sites for people to defame. I have seen the nasty things on your web site, how can you actually feel like a good person at the end of the day? And what are you talking about saying it’s me hiding my image?? Your site auto filled my image – Laughing at you now. So what is your full name? Is there a link on your website to your facebook account- I’d love to have it…you know, seeing you are such a sharing person.
You are so hostile towards people yet apparently no one else is allow to get upset..hmm what is with that? And while I’m here ‘mindmadeup’ aren’t you getting off topic when replying to ‘your full of crap’ did you feel yourself losing your point? Yes it seems when there is a suitable response you throw out more smoke and mirrors to hide behind?
‘your full of crap’ is very right is saying you are targeting people to put them in the way of harm. You are not helping anything with this site, you are feeding the problem.
Perhaps your title should be ‘I don’t care who gets hurt’ or perhaps ‘I hate anyone that hates something’? Because let’s face it, you couldn’t even agree to disagree.
You must be best friends with Bill Whito.
Y’know, that is a long post for a guy who says they don’t care.
And yet you didn’t actually respond to anything posted here. Just endless complaints. Shall we repeat what you ignored? Yes, I think we shall:
A) So, you believe it’s wrong to republicise already public comments? How does that work exactly? I mean, if I shout an offensive thing in public, does everyone have to get my permission before telling anyone?
B) “And yes Australia committed millions of dollars building mosques not only in Australia. ”
Source please. Sometihng real, not made by a crazy person.
C) “We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.”
I did a bit of research, and found it was made by one fundamentalist, who has been denounced by Sydney’s most sneior cleric. Did you know that? Or are you so eager to find one extremist to justify your beliefs you didn’t bother to check if anyone’s listening to him? Did you know that over the last year even he’s backtracked I said he was not as wise in his comments as he thought?
D) other groups in society (Muslims, Brown people, gays), don’t get the same privelege as white christians. If one person says something extreme n those groups, all are blamed for it. Do you think that’s fair?
E) Please, tell me when you’ve met and sp;oken with a Muslim in real life?
F) Cool, so if someone is involved in a charity cause, that means that we can never criticise them, no matter what they do? So, all the KKK, the Nazis, and NAMBLA have to do is donate some money somewhere, and they’ll be above approach?
G) “You hide with your fake names and no picture because your gutless.”
Do you not see the hypocrisy of this line? Unless your actual name is “Mr/Ms Don’t Care” and your face is a blueish crab thing with eyestalks?
H) “It’s only an opinion and you have your bra in a knot over it?”
So…we must accept everything if it’s an opinion? I’d go into detail about why you’re wrong, but thankfully, amazing cartoonist David Willis has done this for me:
I) when you complain about Muslims, that’s out of love?
J) when you complain about Muslims, that’s out of love?
K) Incidentally, are you saying that all public comments are now suddenly public unless a person permits their redistribution. If so, you better get to work, son. You’ve got so many newspapers, filled with comments that are not published with a person’s commission. Hell, we got those recent racist rants on public transport vids, pretty sure no one gave permission or those public rants to be publicised publically. Are they to be banned too? Or is it only wrong to republicise already public comments when it’s someone you agree with?
Now onto the new stuff:
“I have seen the nasty things on your web site, how can you actually feel like a good person at the end of the day? ”
Really, what have you seen that is so nasty? Worse than calling for the burning down of religious buildings, and condemning an entire religion based on the acts of individuals? Anything like that?
“So what is your full name? ”
Again, the hypocrisy. You demand the name of the admins, but go around with the name “Don’t care”-a totally fake name. Why is it okay for you to have a fake name, but not for anyone else to?
“You are so hostile towards people yet apparently no one else is allow to get upset..hmm what is with that?”
More with the hypocrisy. Weren’t you the same guy who said “It’s just an opinion, you hvae to accept it?” So….it’s okay to demand acceptance when you make a comment, but whenever anyone else makes comments they have to accept whatever you say?
“And while I’m here ‘mindmadeup’ aren’t you getting off topic when replying to ‘your full of crap’ did you feel yourself losing your point? ”
Well, considering you’re ignoring any questions that challenge your beliefs (See above), I wouldn’t talk about “getting off topic” if I were you. The admin is usually happy to discuss views with commenters here, but when commenters, such as yourself, ignore anything that challenges them, there’s not a lot of places where the discussion can go.
“‘your full of crap’ is very right is saying you are targeting people to put them in the way of harm.”
How is this site any more harmful to people than people posting hate filled messages towards entire communites in Australia?
” You are not helping anything with this site, you are feeding the problem.”
How? How is this feeding racism? Are people who feature on this site going “Hooray, now I’m going to be more racist than ever so I can feature again” – that’s not the sentiment I get from you .
But if you think this is harmful in stopping racism and prejudice, please, let us know what you would suggest. I await your answer on how to combat racism, discrimination and prejudice. Remember, ignoring it doesn’t go away. Refusing to challenge hatred in interpreted as supporting it, as after all, the commenter says “There must be no problem with saying all mosques should be burnt down, and Muslims deported, because if there was, someone would tell me”.
Anyway, let us know what your idea is.
“Perhaps your title should be ‘I don’t care who gets hurt’ or perhaps ‘I hate anyone that hates something’? Because let’s face it, you couldn’t even agree to disagree.”
When the people made the above posters, did they care who got hurt? Did they care if innocent muslims would be offended?
Arn’t you just a dumb sack of shit JM, you should go take a big one up the arse from a muslim sounds like youre in love. You are committing treason with your hate for people standing up for your/their country and you must have been dropped on your head to believe half the shit you write the questions you ask of don’t care are really simpleton type shit, your like a cockroach climbing on good food. You say white christians are racist and neve get called out???? since fkg when? white people get called racists when they so much as sneeze in the wrong direction you idiot.
Yeah and you have just given us the sort of example that proves you lot are racist – a personal attack on a poster replete with abuse and homophobic imagery which actually expresses your own deep yearnings, and carrying on about “white people”.
Boohoohoo
John, tell me this, why do the same people who hate muslims (And usually other non-white non-christians), usually hate gay people to, yet love, straight out love, talking about men having sex with each other? I’ve always wondered that.
“You are committing treason with your hate for people standing up for your/their country ”
No, I’m defending my country. But the real country of Australia, the multicultural democratic country I grew up in and love. Not this fictional “White only” facist country groups like the ADL and others seem to be defending.
And before you start saying you’re not a facist….you accused me of committing treason for, essentially, disagreeing with you, and people you support. How can there be free speech if disagreeing with you is treason?
“You say white christians are racist and neve get called out????”
When did I say that? I mean this honestly-it’s been a month since any of these comments were made.
Oh, I see, I didn’t. I said that white christians have privelege in Australia-totally different, and tend to be unaware that others do not have such privelege. Are you now denying this is true? Are you telling us that all Christians in Australia were treated like the worst Christians of all time, just like Muslims are; or that all white people are blamed for crime committed by white people, like literally all other races are?
Y’know, you learn so much if you actually read what I wrote, instead of just making it up.
“white people get called racists when they so much as sneeze in the wrong direction you idiot.”
Example of someone being called racist for sneezing in the wrong direction, or something minor like that. Because I know of people being called racist for openly treating black employees like crap and telling them he couldfire them if they speak up, for following asian people walking home shouting “Chingchong” at them, but haven’t heard any of people sneezing and being racist for it, or anything like that.
you said it... 
Raelene Linfield of the “westside”. With a head that’d make an onion cry.
I lol’ed. The ugly one’s on the inside are so often ugly on the outside.
These people are truly brain dead. HIS taxes paying for a new mosque??? From where did this Einstein come up with THAT pearler? Still, what they don’t know they make up just to scare themselves witless. They have to keep on complaining about the guvmint to divert themselves from their own woeful lives.
My word, that Raelene is all class, too. She must be so proud of her profile pic.
What does insulting her appearance have to do with public shaming of racists
Way to stoop to a lower level Warren =\
Ok Mr Chuck what is your opinion of Ben and Raelene racist rants, that is clearly not based on facts?
Mr Chuck opinion is silent?
Sorry, Mr. Chuck, you must have misinterpreted what I said, my apologies.
I think the Australian flags hanging in the background says it all. It’s always the tools.
Rupert
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Jason
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Lol admin – how funny is it when they create made up people to agree with themselves?
Even funnier when they create made-up people to disagree with them – is that a new form of masochism?
No, you are right in insulting her appearance.
So what Ben is saying what non-Islamic groups or people have done is ok?
Like The FBI building bombing, Jones Town,The Unibomber, The IRAgroups,The Red Brigade etc
So what exactly have these people done wrong? They just look like normal average people to me. * scratches head.
Calling on politicians to bulldoze and burn mosques. That’s what. The way they look is irrelevent, and not the reason they are here.
Yer, sorry about that.
Ah ok, politician’s would never actually do that though. I agree though that this was not just some random attack, it was religiously motivated particularly by Islam, you can’t get around that fact.
So it’s okay to call for something if you don’t think it will happen? So, if I’m really mad at you, it’s fine for me to demand that politicians have you expelled or something like that?
” I agree though that this was not just some random attack,”
True, it wasn’t. Neither have the firebombings of mosques which followed and preceded the attack.
“, it was religiously motivated particularly by Islam, you can’t get around that fact.”
No one is. But how is a western person with anger wanting to attack and blame all Muslims for the acts of a few somehow better than a Muslim man with anger wanting to attack and blame all Westerners for the acts of their government?
The guys were Nigerian actually, strange that they are Muslims. The Muslims have taken over big parts of North Africa like in Mali. The French had to come in and save the indigenous people, all libraries and places of historical significance were burnt, really terrible. It’s like the injustices races suffered at the hands of whites centuries ago but in modern times.
“It’s like the injustices races suffered at the hands of whites centuries ago but in modern times.”
Injustices committed by all sides are still happening. It’s not something whites did centuries ago, and have now gotten over. Iraq has been devastated by the war, it’s complete society being dismantled, and is only slowly being repaired now, and that’s just the most recent example. Ask the people of South East Asia how much their indigenous people, their places of historical significance were cared for by westerners.
Yeah but Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator that committed horrific crimes. Osama Bin laden was responsible for horrific crimes and deliberate terrorist acts against innocent people.
So what are they going to do just sit back and let them continue?
The world doesn’t need people like this to continue with their evil acts.
I’d say Western powers will probably stay out of any further conflicts, because everyone blames them for most of the worlds problems.
I’m talking about the injustices against using blacks as slaves and for labour a few hundred years ago. But the west was the first to recognise that this was wrong and they had made mistakes. So credit must be given for that. The Arabs had slavery also, but they still act like people did hundreds of years ago with burning down villages etc. Even hundreds of years ago whites didn’t do that, they were looking to exploit natives for workers, which they now realise was wrong and rightly so.
“So what are they going to do just sit back and let them continue?
The world doesn’t need people like this to continue with their evil acts.”
Okay, I agree Afghanistan was the right idea, and America had legitimate cause. But if the Iraq invasion was fought only of a basis of “Saddam was evil” (Which was the last reason given in the lead up), then I gotta ask-why Iraq? Are we saying that the dictators of Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia, China, Burma, Iran, the Congo, Sudan, North Korea, are actually much better than Saddam in terms of human rights?
If you think that we couldn’t look away from Iraq on human rights grounds, then why have we been looking away from all the other countries with terrible human rights records?
The problem I have with the IRaq war is not just that it was corrupt, that it destroyed the country and hoped it would be okay afterwards, but mostly that by rushing off to Iraq as soon as they could, the Bush administration reduced its efforts in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan invasion was working, it was hurting the Taliban and Al Quaida (Both becoming hugely unpopular in the Western world due to September 11), and its people were ready for a new society to be built in a country that has been in war for decades.
“I’d say Western powers will probably stay out of any further conflicts, because everyone blames them for most of the worlds problems.”
John McCain is in Syria right now. Drones now have further legislation to allow attacks in Pakistan and other middle eastern countries. Nothing is changing.
“The Arabs had slavery also, but they still act like people did hundreds of years ago with burning down villages etc. ”
Arabs describe a huge number of people, you know, not just one group. There are Christian Arabs even. Do you think it’s really fair to call the entire population of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Algeria, Morrocco, Yemen, Palestine, Qatar and many more people who haven’t changed their actions in a hundred years, and are burning down villiages in Mali (Incidentally-Mali is not a part of the Arabic world).
“Even hundreds of years ago whites didn’t do that, they were looking to exploit natives for workers, which they now realise was wrong and rightly so.”
Um….no. The whites were still burning down villages as recently as the 70’s. It’s called Vietnam.
And as for now we’ve realised it’s wrong to exploit the native workers…how do you think your iphone gets made?
We are not living in a great utopia of white people being peaceful, friendly, and equal, and why won’t all the non-whites just get their act together and be more like us. We are living in a time where the West has managed to globalise inequality, so we don’t have to see it so much.
“The Arabs had slavery also, but they still act like people did hundreds of years ago with burning down villages etc. Even hundreds of years ago whites didn’t do that, they were looking to exploit natives for workers, which they now realise was wrong and rightly so.”
Wait, I seem to remember seeing something on the news not that long ago about white people slaughtering villages, raping women and committing ethnic cleansing, what was that? Right, the Bosnian war.
Only 18 years ago white Christians spent a few years trying to wipe out a muslim majority. Tell me more about how the good and righteous white people have not committed appalling acts of brutality to each other in hundreds of years.
Yeah I agree with you, mistakes were made with Iraq, that is probably why the west is reluctant to intervene in other conflicts. But with Afghanistan what bugs me is that it is in the whole worlds best interests that terrorism is not allowed to continue and tollerated, but only a few countries are actively involved in Afghanistan. It’s very disappointing because in my opinion there is no justification of the
September 11 terrorist attacks and the other Muslim terrorist attacks that have followed. It has severely affected Americas economy and all sorts, and you have countries like China who have now want to be recognised as a global superpower, but they have not helped in any way in Afghanistan even though it is in their region of the world. Even with the North Korea conflict also.
To not use your geographic location and influence in the region for good is not the right thing to do.
So for all the criticism of the West, we must recognise that they are actively responding to threats of peace while a lot of others are simply bystanders.
The West is very interested in the large oil and gas reserves under Afghanistan’s soil. They are keen the Russians and Chinese do not get hold of them.
This has largely driven Western interests in Afghanistan whether you like it or not.
Rupert, you’ve ignored a lot of points I made. Why Iraq over any other inhumane country? The fact is, Iraq was never about human rights-if it was they would have said so from the get go. Instead we got “Link to terrorism” (false) “Nucelar weapons” (False), “Weapons of mass destruction” (False)/ If all they wanted to do was get rid of one dictator out of many, why not say that from the start instead of making things up?
Do you think it’s really fair to call the entire population of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Algeria, Morrocco, Yemen, Palestine, Qatar and many more people who haven’t changed their actions in a hundred years, and are burning down villiages in Mali (Incidentally-Mali is not a part of the Arabic world).
And as for now we’ve realised it’s wrong to exploit the native workers…how do you think your iphone gets made?
“But with Afghanistan what bugs me is that it is in the whole worlds best interests that terrorism is not allowed to continue and tollerated, but only a few countries are actively involved in Afghanistan.”
True. For a while it wasn’t even America getting involved.
“It’s very disappointing because in my opinion there is no justification of the
September 11 terrorist attacks and the other Muslim terrorist attacks that have followed.”
There’s no justification for any terrorist attacks, whether Muslim or non-Muslim. Which was the point of some of my comments. No one, is justifying terrorist attacks here (No matter what you seem to think based on some of your comments). Everyone is disagreeing that the acts of the few should be blamed on the many. Which is the point of this post. What do you hink> Is it fair to punish all Muslims for the acts of the minority?
“you have countries like China who have now want to be recognised as a global superpower, but they have not helped in any way in Afghanistan even though it is in their region of the world. Even with the North Korea conflict also. ”
Well, they have helped out with North Korea. Which country do you think is the only country North Korea listens to? True, ithey haven’t been involved in Afghanistan, probably because they don’t want to be involved in something they don’t control and can’t get out of.
“So for all the criticism of the West, we must recognise that they are actively responding to threats of peace while a lot of others are simply bystanders.”
The truth is, the West, like the East, like the South and the North, is doing what benefits itself. That’s what countries do. The reason why Iraq happened is that it benefited the West, and the reason that America didn’t go to East Timor while Australia did is that it did not benefit America.
I don’t think the West are interested in oil and gas at all. I think that the West is interested in the people responsible for the September 11 terrorist events.
The West were the people who got the Arabs the oil in the first place and let them become rich from it!
Err… no. The oil was there for millions of years.
The oil belonged to the people indigenous to the area – namely the Bedouins and Arabs who live in countries like Saudi Arabia, and the Iraqis. That’s why Iraq was invaded. That’s why the US has such a cosy covert relationship with the fundamentalist Wahabists of Saudi Arabia.
“I don’t think the West are interested in oil and gas at all.”
Then why Iraq? There’s no link to September 11. And why would the US army occupy the oil fields of Iraq before the weapons bases?
Wait wait wait. So we started out with “Those terrible muslims are destroying Mali” and now its “Those terrible Arabs are destroying Mali” and you’re acting like people are disagreeing with you on this?
Arab does not equal Muslim does not equal terrorist does not equal Arab, and so on.
This is what you mean to say: “Extremist and terrorists in Mali are destroying native lands, and killing innocent people” – no one disagrees with you.
When you say stuff like “Arabs are savages who burn towns like no white person would ever do” you get disagreement. When you say stuff like “Well I don’t want to call all Muslims extremists but those terrorists had to learn it from someone” you get disagreement. These comments are what people are objecting to. Not comments of “Terrorists are bad and we hate them”
Incidentally, you should read up about white privelege. Its the lucky thing you and I have that we know that if someone who has the same skin colour like us, and says they share the same religion goes and kills a bunch of people, you and I would never be blamed for that. Yet in this page both you and other people are not giving the same justice to the majority of peace loving Muslims and Arabs. Do you think that’s fair?
Well where injustices have occurred I’m 100 percent with you, but I think the West has been very proactive in trying to prevent a lot of evil regimes gathering momentum. You have to give credit for that.
Which regimes? Bosnia and Herzegovnia, and Serbia are the only one that comes to mind.
But that is not Westerners. That’s getting closer to the middle East
I meant, which regimes have the west been proactive in trying to prevent. I think Serbia would count, and Bsonia herzegovnia. I can think of quite a few where the West came late (Rwanda, in America’s case, WWII, in the world’s case, Japan in WWII), or the West replaced a either benign or evil dictator with a much worse dictator (Argentina springs to mind, as does Iran).
Well the recent Muslim occupation of Timbuktu, the French basically saved the indigenous people from a dire situation. Timbuktu is a place with a lot of historical significance and the Muslims came through and burnt libraries and all important historical sites and imposed their rules. The Mali people are very grateful to the French for their intervention. Even the first European explorers who discovered the great city were not violent towards the people, and were in awe of their trade and flourishing society. But the Muslims just want to tear the place up like it never existed and commit violent acts. They are hateful towards the West and this hatred is unjustified. They want power.
Rwanda is another example of when people were being slaughtered again nothing to do with westerners but they were the ones who came to Aid and stop the conflict. There are many instances, so you need to stop focusing on justifying these hateful crimes with past wrongs of Westerners and treat them for hateful acts.
Hate to disappoint you but Mali is a Muslim country and Timbuktu was a renowned centre of Islamic scholarship at a time when most Europeans were illiterate semi-slaves under feudal overlords.
Check out the two-part programme ABC’s Foreign Correspondent recently did on Timbuktu.
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2013/s3738052.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2013/s3743687.htm
Now imagine an ancient and cultured Western city like Venice in Italy being invaded by a bunch of dumb Christian fundamentalist rednecks. The jihadist insurgents who invaded Timbuktu in 2012 were like that.
They were not interested in Timbuktu’s ancient library nor its famous and unique architecture. Nor were they typical Muslims. Nor were they particularly interested in “the West”.
Please read some history before you post stuff. We have real historians here. With no knowledge you end up looking like one of those jihadists. Or one of those Christian fundies.
No Mali and Timbuktu are not extreme religious places, there are many religions and people in Timbuktu. The French are the original occupiers, and they have never acted like the Muslims from the north.
As has been pointed out, the Indigenous people of Mali were Muslims as well. This false dichotomy of “Save the good Mali people from the evil Muslims” is false, it’s more like “Save the moderate Muslim people from the extremist Muslim terrorists!”
And it’s a different case in that it’s not about nation building, or replacing a dictator, Mali was being claimed by some terrorist groups that neither the government nor the country people wanted. France has no intention of building up a country, they were responding to a call for help from the Mali government.
“But the Muslims just want to tear the place up like it never existed and commit violent acts. They are hateful towards the West and this hatred is unjustified. They want power.”
Y’see, this is the problem. “Muslims hate us because we’re Western and their Muslim” does nothing but continue conflict. Because how is anyone going to solve a conflict if we honestly believe that no one’s mind can be changed.
And the truth is, and we know this from people who have worked with Islamic terrorists, that terrorists and extremists don’t hate us because we are the west and they are Muslim and never the two shall meet (After all, considering the many muslims who live in the west, never bothering anyone, we know that’s not true). In Afghanistan one senior Taliban member who had absolutely refused to work with interrogators gave up a lot of information just after the interrogator listened to his complaints about America and said he could understand them.
Most terrorists, no matter where they are from or what their belief systems, have some sort of legitimate reasons to hate and be angry. No one wakes up and decides to be the bad guy in a movie. Everyone thinks they’re the good guy in their own life story. The EDL who are in the news at the moment is made up of normal people who are really angry that someone could be killed in the street, and feel the Government is not doing enough (A fair enough point). The boston Bombers had, amongst their many odd statements, seemed to believe that Chechnya deserved autonomy-is that really something you object to? The two murders in London were complaining about innocents being killed in Afghanistan-is the slaughter of innocent people in Afghanistan something you support? Now before accusations fly about being a terrorist apologist, all the above groups are engaging in terrible actions for which they should all be rightly punished. But if we are goi ng to pretend that any terrorist group is made up of stock villains from an action flick with no beliefs apart from “I hate to hate” then we don’t solve anything.
Kill a terrorist, others will rise in their place. And if you kill them and accidentally take out a few innocent people at the same time, expect ten to take their place. Find out why people become terrorists, cut that supply line, then things can start to improve.
True, some leaders of all the above groups just want power. And that’s why they grab something that has public interest and support from the desired population (for the EDL it’s this recent murder, for Al Quaida it’s the opression of the Palestinian people), try to link themselves to this regardless of whether the victims want this (The victims family has no interest in the EDL, the Palestinians have no interest in Al Quaida). And if we can catch and kill these guys, great, but the entry level guy doesn’t start out wanting power (How could he? He’s got none!), he wants to address a real anger he has (Or in the cae of third world participants, wants to eat and study).
Yes you are correct Mali is mostly Muslim, but the Arabs are suppressing innocent black people and destroying their villages.
Well it’s not “Muslims hate us because we’re Western and their Muslim” it’s They’re Muslim.
Either way you justify it, North African black people are having their homelands destroyed by Arabs.
Not being from that region in the world I do not know of South East Asia occupation. The past is not a justification of violence, we are better than that and Whites today should not feel guilt over something that may have happened in a different time period when the world was different. That is what I think, because otherwise violence just continues. I don’t know about the Asia problem I am unaware.
” The past is not a justification of violence, we are better than that and Whites today should not feel guilt over something that may have happened in a different time period when the world was different. ”
Rupert, you’re misinterpreting this. No one is justifying violence. We’re just objecting to your belief that the West is a peace bringer that never engages in terrible acts. Believing that we are shining lights who poop perfection and peace only makes those who disagree in the slightest way to be irredeemably evil. And that stops any path to peace-you can’t negotiate with evil, can’t stop evil, you just have to kill it. And this narrative is being spoken on both sides-the fundamentalist groups see the West as irredeemably evil just as much as the extreme anti-Muslim groups see the Muslims as evil.
A path between the moderates is a way to stop terrorism. If a person can access food and education for their child in the third world, the option of joining the Taliban or Al Quada will be far less attractive. If we work with moderate muslim groups to intervene and prevent the radicalisation of young men, give them something they care about, sacrificing their life for a cause will be far les attractive (It’s, incidentally, a theory most young offender programs work on).
” I don’t know about the Asia problem I am unaware.”
Well, to summarise-
During the Vietnam war agent orange was sprayed over large areas, getting into water supplies. To this day, children are born severely deformed because of this.
Mines were planted along Cambodia and Laos. To this day they exist, waiting to go off.
That’s the stuff that is still ongoing, the atrocities during the war were far more severe.
Both of the perpetrators of the horrendous massacre of a drummer in the British Army, were born in England & are of Christian Nigerian background. At least one of whom was born in London. Both are converts to Islam.
Yeah that’s my point, Muslim, new to the religion or not, they were obviously to carry out the act by other Muslim extremists. That to me is obvious. All the new converts get the dirty work.
Well, converts in general are more extreme than those born in the role-same in most religions (Hence the term “Born Again Christians”).
They’re also young men, with a lot of anger. They’re probably unemployed, with few goals for the future, but hating the ways things are and wanting to change them. Go to every culture, every race, every religion, every nationality, and you find angry young men, revolutionary young men. Now in England, like everywhere, you have fundamentalists trying to tap into that anger in Muslims and those who could be converted into Islam, to strike out against someone else (Extremist muslim groups have the added benefit of advising young adults to condemn their parents for not being good followers of Islam), just as you have those in the EDL trying to get unemployed, angry young white guys to use their anger to attack Muslims in particular, and anyone different in general. There are similar organisations which try to turn that young male aggression into fights for Communism (My particular youthful weakness), mysogyny (most MRA’s are like this), racism in general, and all types of religious supremacy.
What annoys me is when attacks like this happen, and the entire Muslim community is blamed, when really, the Muslim belief system isn’t a cause, it’s an excuse. The Boston Bombers for example, have more in common with the Sandy Hook killer, and in particular the Monash University shooter than they do with Osama bin Laden. They are all disaffected, unconnected, young men, who are angry, unsatisfied, with clear mental illnesses, who actually want to die but want to go out by taking others with them, who take out their rage on whoever they can find. But those who are not Muslim are seen as sad tragedies, which nothing can be learnt from, but when you slap the word “Muslim” on an act, everyone says “Now we’ve got to get rid of all the Muslims”
One site I’ve seen pointed out that in the last month in England, not only was an innocent soldier killed in the street by thugs, an old Muslim man was killed in Birmingham in the street by a white guy. Now, some have said “Why only the attention on the first one?” which isn’t fair-the first was was in broad daylight, designed to be viewed by most people, the latter was down in dark in private-but the better question is why has the first lead to an outcry of hatred against all Muslims and Islam as a whole, but the latter hasn’t resulted in any calls for all white males to be deported, ethnic cleansing, or anything like the comments I’ve seen directed at Muslims in the last week.
Yeah I don’t know man, I don’t want to paint all Muslims, but that is the whites country. I’d call them extremists, there was an incident when an African man king hit a young Muslim women a little while ago for no reason at all, so it’s happening in all directions.
“I don’t want to paint all Muslims, but that is the whites country. ”
What do you mean by this? Are you saying terrorist attacks would be okay in a non-white country? Or are you saying a Muslim in a white country is an extremist? I’m a bit confused.
“there was an incident when an African man king hit a young Muslim women a little while ago for no reason at all, so it’s happening in all directions.”
And there’s a case of a white guy stabbing a Muslim grandfather. So every group has it’s terrible people.
They learn’t Islam from some person though, it is easy to distance from the man as not representing Islam, but they got their ideology from someone.
The exact same thing could be said about all ideologies. At the moment the news is filled with fears of “Lone Wolf Muslim terrorists” – do you know which religious group were called Lone Gun terrorists only 15 years ago? Christians. The army of God, much like Al Quaida nowadays, actually called for lone gun terrorist attacks against the godless government/homosexuals, etc. The biggest known case of this was the bombing of the Atlanta Olympics.
So, do we ban ideologies, in all forms?
Well I’m a white Australian man who does not have any strong religious beliefs, but I can put on a good BBQ
You’re ignoring the question. As all ideologies can be turned into extremism, including Islam, do we ban all ideologies?
All of these terrorist incidents are by Muslims and are inflicted on innocent people of the west. I personally can’t see a way to justify it.
No one’s justifying it. That’s a myth. What we are doing is saying that not all Muslims are terrorists, and blaming them all for the actions of a few is unfair, and bigoted. Understanding why an event occurred is not the same as justifying it, in fact, it’s the best way of stopping it happening again.
And not all terrorist attacks are by Muslims on innocent people. Ander Behring Breivik was not a Muslim. The man who brutally stabbed that elderly Muslim man in Birmingham was not a Muslim. Also, most terrorist attacks by Muslims largely kill…only muslims.
Nonsense. The greatest number of victims of Islamist terrorism are Muslims. This was the case in Bali, it is the case daily in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I’m sorry I don’t think that you are looking at it in the right way JM I don’t think pointing out an incident where a white person did something wrong justify’s anything.
Are you trying to say that whites are as bad as Muslims with these crimes? I’m sorry I disagree.
Listen, Rupert, get a tattoo stating “No one is justifying terrorism” Because no one is. One’s sin does not justify another. What I am saying is that we are not the heroes of the world, defending the planet for its own sake, with those who oppose us being irredeemably evil and unable to reconciled with at all, therefore we must kill them all.
“Are you trying to say that whites are as bad as Muslims with these crimes? I’m sorry I disagree.”
I wouldn’t put it that way. I’d state instead that terrorism does not occur in a vacuum. No one wakes up and decides to end their life in a way that takes out as many people as possible. Finding out why people choose to become terrorists and stopping or damaging that pathway is more productive in stopping terrorism, than calling to punish all people of a religion made up of moderates, extremists, and even lax followers.
I mean, the original comments-how would bulldozing and burning down mosques stop terrorism. Please tell me. Because I’m a christian, and a pretty lax one. I believe everyone is allowed their own religion, their own sexuality, and that as a Christian my role is to make their lives better for them. But, if you stopped me from practising my religion which hurts no one, and burn down or bulldoze my church, expect me to be angry.
I’d also say that if we flipped the religion/ethnicity of the perpertrator and the victim, as these cases occur, instead of being international front page news, it would be lucky if it appeared in a newspaper at all.
Like I said, 3 weeks ago, an elderly Muslim man was stabbed on his way home by a white man in his 30’s with a shaved head. Why are their no comments of “We should deport all shaved head men!” and “Let’s destroy all footbal clubs-to stop hooligans like this guy?” and “How about ethnic cleansing of all white men” – all these comments have been made in regards to Muslims.
I like it when people think you are an ethnic and treat you different. I’ve played that game many times before.
I don’t like tattoos.
Why is every single time there is a Muslim act of violence and terror people try and say that it is somehow the fault of the West and point out things that the West has done wrong. Why is this? People are brain washed to defend ethnics..
So now we’ve gone from “Muslims are evil” to “Arabs are evil” to “Ethnics are evil in general”? Is that right?
“Why is every single time there is a Muslim act of violence and terror people try and say that it is somehow the fault of the West and point out things that the West has done wrong. Why is this? ”
You literally have not read a word anyone has posted here, have you? No one is blaming the terrorist actions on anyone but the terrorists. We are trying to understand why the terrorist attacks occurs, because it doesn’t just happen without any change. People are not born evil, people do not choose to be evil, and people do not think of themselves as evil even when committing evil acts. Finding out why they do these acts work better to stop them than just blaming all ethnics/Muslims/Arabs, then expecting peace after tarring the innocent with the sins of the guilty.
Terrorists are angry at the west. Why? Apparently to you, that’s an evil question which immediatly causes us to apologise for terrorism. But if we actually find out what leads people to terrorism, and find out if there’s a way to lead people away from terrorism, wouldnt that be better?
Or should we just blame all ethnics and complain that they’re, y’know, to blame collectively for the crime of the few. Just like we don’t do for white people.
“People are brain washed to defend ethnics..”
Please, please please. Tell me more. Tell me how we have to defend all those ethnics, and how terrible the ethnics are. Tell me how we’re brainwashed.
I am done finished, this is all I have to say.
Good for you. So I’ll just summarise:
1- No one is defending terrorism. You are wrong to say otherwise.
2- It is wrong to blame all Muslims/Arabs/Ethnics for the crimes of the few, just as it would be wrong to blame any crime on an innocent person. You are wrong to say otherwise.
3- Trying to understand why terrorism occurs is not the same as apologising or symapthising for it. Terrorism does not exist in a vacuum.
4- The West is not a beacon of goodness that never does anything wrong, while all other cultures are acting like they did centuries ago. The West does terrible things (Not just in long ago times), and the other cultures are also capable of positive things. To simplify things down to a global “Good vs Evil” narrative makes peace impossible, as it states that anyone who disagrees with the West, even disagreeing nonviolently, must be evil, because we Westerners are good.
5- All ideologies are capable of extremism, and all groups have bad people. Do we ban all people, all groups?
6- White prievelege-why Muslims in London can expect attacks, abuse, and harrasment for a crime they did not commit and have no connection to, but white men don’t need to be worried about being connected to the stabbing of a senior citizen. Does that sound fair to you?
Fortunately I had made up my mind well before the ‘I don’t like tattoos’ add on to the unrelated paragraph?? They certainly ‘paint a picture’ with their words..so to speak
The ‘royal’ they.
Ah Skip one comment up Ashitaka
JM : Listen, Rupert, get a tattoo stating
Yeah real good picture, yeah I was thinking the same thing really fortunate to be able to make up your mind, because some people have trouble with that, I was at McDonalds the other day and there was this man in the line in front of me and I was there for ages, he kept changing his mind.
So…Rupert, you feel annoyed that someone thinks you’re talking about something unrelated, then decide to follow it up by rambling about McDonalds?
You’re a troll, aren’t you?
He’s a troll.
No I am studying world religions at the moment and I was using some information from this site. I just wanted to contribute to the discussion that’s all. Sorry to spoil the discussion then I won’t write anymore.
Then why ramble on about McDonalds.
I was just clearing up her confusion, it’s all good.
Yeah I’m not a BBQ expert or studying anything, but you have made such little contribution to discussion that it sounds ok doesn’t it?
Yeah I had no idea what gender or nationality Ashitaka is so after a comment such as the one you posted, well the gender had been decided becuase with a fifty fifty chance of either offending or guessing right I saw that as a win win, no troubles mate, gladly.
I think that more could be said to condemn the incident and make that really clear.
What? What more could be done to satisfy you? We’ve already got Muslim groups the world over condemning attacks, praying for the families and the victim, organising huge prayer summits to do this, have engaged with anti-Muslim rioters with tea and biscuits in one case….so what more should be done?
And, incidentally, why is nothing being asked of the other side. As I said, both before and after these attacks there have been brutal attacks on Muslims in London, why aren’t we demanding that more groups of white men condemn these attacks and make their anger really clear?
Err no… I’m not the confused one, you probably need to actually read each response in full and not just pick up on the odd line that you are confident in trying to discredit. It is also evident that what you have chosen to study is not really right for you. You can always fall back on your ‘BBQing’ skills. Oh and Ashitaka is a male name, quite common in Japan.
So what is your opinion on the matter Ashitaka? Now that you know that I am not a BBQ expert or studying “world religions” how about we actually hear some input from you, or do you take the sit back and make comments about a poster, but post nothing of yourself approach?
Yeah you take the latter, don’t say anything and no one can pick fault with you right?
Fortunately I had made up my mind well before the ‘I don’t like tattoos’ add on to the unrelated paragraph?? They certainly ‘paint a picture’ with their words..so to speak
Sounds like a Question to me, rhetorical or not, so what’s the case how would you like to be interpreted?
Could feed you some bullshit (your style) but I don’t have much time for trolls, amusing as it is..
Good Work! You troll statuses and repost without the people knowing and make private photos public. And yes Australia committed millions of dollars building mosques not only in Australia. You all are posting ancient history, how about you read CURRENT NEWS and stop arguing off topic.
Here is an exert you may enjoy; “We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid. Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom.”
How about you learn about the religion before you bash unknowing everyday people having conversations with their friends.
And if you must know the photo was taken at a fun night for raising money for cancer so it seems you are more stupid than you may realise with your big intellectual politically correct statements. The beanie was being used for a game douche bags.
I really couldn’t care what you find attractive, you aren’t worth the keyboard you type on. You hide with your fake names and no picture because your gutless.
Oh look it’s the Consort of Hate herself.
Oh and we know a damn sight more about Islam than you numpties.
Now go away and continue pulling wings off insects.
Anyone who causes unnecessary harm to animals is not right in the head.
It’s “you’re gutless” why can’t people spell? oh well. One thing with terrorism is that the goal is often to cause divide and disruption. If we allow this to happen, we are giving the terrorists what they want. All respectable people are against terrorism no matter what your religion.
“You troll statuses and repost without the people knowing and make private photos public. ”
So, you believe it’s wrong to republicise already public comments? How does that work exactly? I mean, if I shout an offensive thing in public, does everyone have to get my permission before telling anyone?
“And yes Australia committed millions of dollars building mosques not only in Australia. ”
Source please. Sometihng real, not made by a crazy person.
“You all are posting ancient history,”
May 23 is now ancient history. I thought it was only a few weeks ago, but apparently it’s ancient history.
“We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.”
Yeah, it’s kinda good to present a source for these things, rather than just post random lines and ask for opinions. Hence why I don’t ask for your opinion on this: “I eat babies for breakfast. Yummy yummy babies, umm yum” because I just made it up.
But to be nice (Because I am) I did a bit of research, and found it was made by one fundamentalist, who has been denounced by Sydney’s most sneior cleric. Did you know that? Or are you so eager to find one extremist to justify your beliefs you didn’t bother to check if anyone’s listening to him? Did you know that over the last year even he’s backtracked I said he was not as wise in his comments as he thought? Wow-I wish other extremists thought about their beliefs, and realise that they were making mistakes (Hint-hint).
Let me tell you a thing about white christian privelege. I’m a Christian, and one of the great tthings about this is I don’t ever have to worry when a Christian does something terrible or says something terrible, as I know me and my beliefs won’t be judged on their actions. So, even the most militant of atheists don’t really think my beliefs are the same as the Westbaro Baptist church, for example.
Sadly enough, other groups in society (Muslims, Brown people, gays), don’t get the same privelege. If one person says something extreme n those groups, all are blamed for it. Do you think that’s fair?
“How about you learn about the religion before you bash unknowing everyday people having conversations with their friends.”
I have. Spent a few years sutdying it. And have lived, worked with and befriended Muslims, both Australian and non-Australian born, male and female. And let me tell you, you can’t define such a group with one brush. They aren’t one singular group-but many many people each with their own history, beliefs, and personality.
Anyway, that’s my experience of Islam in Australia. Please, tell me when you’ve met and sp;oken with a Muslim in real life?
“And if you must know the photo was taken at a fun night for raising money for cancer so it seems you are more stupid than you may realise with your big intellectual politically correct statements. ”
Cool, so if someone is involved in a charity cause, that means that we can never criticise them, no matter what they do? So, all the KKK, the Nazis, and NAMBLA have to do is donate some money somewhere, and they’ll be above approach?
The Yakuza have actually helped a lot in Japan with disaster relief. Doesn’t mean they’re not crooks though.
“I really couldn’t care what you find attractive, you aren’t worth the keyboard you type on. ”
And yet you write. You say you don’t care, that we’re not worth typing to, but yet you post over and over again.
“You hide with your fake names and no picture because your gutless.”
Do you not see the hypocrisy of this line? Unless your actual name is “Mr/Ms Don’t Care” and your face is a blueish crab thing with eyestalks? I can’t imagine the anti-immigration groups would be happy to allow you into the country in that case.
Where do I write anything about hate? Your sound a bit psychotic. It’s only an opinion and you have your bra in a knot over it?
So when you complain about Muslims, that’s out of love?
“It’s only an opinion and you have your bra in a knot over it?”
So…we must accept everything if it’s an opinion? I’d go into detail about why you’re wrong, but thankfully, amazing cartoonist David Willis has done this for me:
Also, aren’t you being a bit gender-dismissive? You know the woman is complaining, but so tell her there’s no reason to complain, probably somrthing wrong with her bra, she should just stop talking. But I’m sure you like to think your a guy who respects women….when they say what you want them to say, and do what you want them to do.
Funny how you’ve neglected to explain why the facebook post was racist, defamation much? Just goes to show the intellectual crowd you draw. What you are doing is far worse than the people that you abuse on this web site-without their consent. I don’t see any mention of race in the comments from anyone in the facebook post.
Grubs? Pricks?
Nah not discriminatory.
Go fuck yourself.
You lot are bigots. Look it up. Bigotry stems from ignorance. Look that up too.
Okay, just to be clear….it’s much worse to republish already public information than it is to call for the burning down of religious buildings? How so exactly? I mean, calling for the burning down of religious buildings creates a fear for an entire group of people, even if no one acts on these comments, but republishing a public comment doesn’t effect anyone more than the original comment does.
Incidentally, are you saying that all public comments are now suddenly public unless a person permits their redistribution. If so, you better get to work, son. You’ve got so many newspapers, filled with comments that are not published with a person’s commission. Hell, we got those recent racist rants on public transport vids, pretty sure no one gave permission or those public rants to be publicised publically. Are they to be banned too? Or is it only wrong to republicise already public comments when it’s someone you agree with?
True, Islam is not a race, but the posters are calling for the destruction of all Muslim buildings because of the crimes of the far few. This is called bigotry, which racism is a part of, and usually closely related to (Yet to find an antimuslim organisation which isn’t also white supremacist, and anti woman and anti gay for that matter too). If it makes you feel better to say “These beliefs are bigoted” instead of “These beliefs are racist” please, go ahead. Makes no difference for us, and in terms of how the rest of the world view your comments, makes no difference then.
racism is racism stop making crap up to suit your own stories, and this was not posted as global on purpose. Go on in your own self deluded fashion using random posts from people you know nothing about. You have no substance, this fbook post was made when a man was beheaded and and another man had his heart cut out and a bite taken out of it. People have the right to be angry how dare you slander people with no knowledge of the individuals you are no better slagging someone and calling them ugly what a big keyboard king you are, your post is void and complete rubbish. You’re pathetic get a life.
So they happened in your neighbourhood did they? We don’t recall seeing them in the press here, or on SBS or the ABC.
So quite likely they were doctored mashups from the hate sites you lot love to visit.
You see, if you can blame mythical radical Muslims or other groups for your paranoia and your woes you don’t need to take responsibility for your own life.
Get real.
Thanks for turning up to tell us how much you don’t care Raelene. Thanks for telling us in such a way as to make it obvious that you do care.
They were all over the news!! Where do you live in a cave? Nice white hate site you have going here
We are white people (mostly).
We detest racists and bigots. In this country the vast majority are white.
Where’s your evidence?
“Don’t care” must care as they come here to write BS clearly not based on facts.
As if they get their head out of their arse and the arse of The APP, this site is against racism.
mindmade up, you make me laugh. Do you not hear the news? Do you not read a paper. What the facebook post that is in question her is about is Woolwich attack in London on a British soldier, the offenders are on trial… Are you seriously saying that this didn’t happen?
This was made up from a hate site? You are a dead set idiot.
People are allowed their opinions, yes, you are allowed yours. Its the terrorists we have issues with? yes / no? Not any one race. The EXTREMISTS from no matter background, race or religion. right?
Now don’t hop on your fucking high horse and call me names because I have not put a label, or stereotype on any one here, but naming and showing people voicing opinions, stolen from Facebook, which in the hands of these EXTREMISTS puts people in very grave danger. Real danger.
That constitutes treason in my book. Putting fellow Australians at risk. How dare you.
You should be shut down.
By the way how can you abuse free speech? Its free.
Go on, Author of this page Announce to the world who you are at the moment? You gutless little prick.
Were you suitably outraged when the IRA attacked English targets? Were you appalled at the Oklahoma bombings? Are you outraged at the activities of the Lord’s Resistance Army in Africa?
No didn’t think so.
And Trooper Rigby’s family are not too impressed at the right-wing rubbish baying loudly in the British media and committing violent acts on British streets. They have said so.
So shut up.
You fucking loser. Wont post my comment hey. Just goes to show you are nothing but a weak gutless fuckwit. Your time will come. Gutless yellow spined moron.
Settle petal. You just had words in your comment that triggered spam.
In fact, the entire comment was a bit tl;dr
I hate all acts of terror don’t be stupid. I am outraged at all of it. What a dumb comment. That’s all you have to come back with I guess. Do you think its fine to make targets of everyday people?
You amuse me, I didn’t say what I don’t care for, but that just shows you take a small sentence and run it into the ground. Here’s something I really don’t care about- your colour or origin, because you are such a sad bored little individual that takes joy in hurting other people and you troll facebook sites for people to defame. I have seen the nasty things on your web site, how can you actually feel like a good person at the end of the day? And what are you talking about saying it’s me hiding my image?? Your site auto filled my image – Laughing at you now. So what is your full name? Is there a link on your website to your facebook account- I’d love to have it…you know, seeing you are such a sharing person.
You are so hostile towards people yet apparently no one else is allow to get upset..hmm what is with that? And while I’m here ‘mindmadeup’ aren’t you getting off topic when replying to ‘your full of crap’ did you feel yourself losing your point? Yes it seems when there is a suitable response you throw out more smoke and mirrors to hide behind?
‘your full of crap’ is very right is saying you are targeting people to put them in the way of harm. You are not helping anything with this site, you are feeding the problem.
Perhaps your title should be ‘I don’t care who gets hurt’ or perhaps ‘I hate anyone that hates something’? Because let’s face it, you couldn’t even agree to disagree.
You must be best friends with Bill Whito.
Y’know, that is a long post for a guy who says they don’t care.
And yet you didn’t actually respond to anything posted here. Just endless complaints. Shall we repeat what you ignored? Yes, I think we shall:
A) So, you believe it’s wrong to republicise already public comments? How does that work exactly? I mean, if I shout an offensive thing in public, does everyone have to get my permission before telling anyone?
B) “And yes Australia committed millions of dollars building mosques not only in Australia. ”
Source please. Sometihng real, not made by a crazy person.
C) “We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam.”
I did a bit of research, and found it was made by one fundamentalist, who has been denounced by Sydney’s most sneior cleric. Did you know that? Or are you so eager to find one extremist to justify your beliefs you didn’t bother to check if anyone’s listening to him? Did you know that over the last year even he’s backtracked I said he was not as wise in his comments as he thought?
D) other groups in society (Muslims, Brown people, gays), don’t get the same privelege as white christians. If one person says something extreme n those groups, all are blamed for it. Do you think that’s fair?
E) Please, tell me when you’ve met and sp;oken with a Muslim in real life?
F) Cool, so if someone is involved in a charity cause, that means that we can never criticise them, no matter what they do? So, all the KKK, the Nazis, and NAMBLA have to do is donate some money somewhere, and they’ll be above approach?
G) “You hide with your fake names and no picture because your gutless.”
Do you not see the hypocrisy of this line? Unless your actual name is “Mr/Ms Don’t Care” and your face is a blueish crab thing with eyestalks?
H) “It’s only an opinion and you have your bra in a knot over it?”
So…we must accept everything if it’s an opinion? I’d go into detail about why you’re wrong, but thankfully, amazing cartoonist David Willis has done this for me:
I) when you complain about Muslims, that’s out of love?
J) when you complain about Muslims, that’s out of love?
K) Incidentally, are you saying that all public comments are now suddenly public unless a person permits their redistribution. If so, you better get to work, son. You’ve got so many newspapers, filled with comments that are not published with a person’s commission. Hell, we got those recent racist rants on public transport vids, pretty sure no one gave permission or those public rants to be publicised publically. Are they to be banned too? Or is it only wrong to republicise already public comments when it’s someone you agree with?
Now onto the new stuff:
“I have seen the nasty things on your web site, how can you actually feel like a good person at the end of the day? ”
Really, what have you seen that is so nasty? Worse than calling for the burning down of religious buildings, and condemning an entire religion based on the acts of individuals? Anything like that?
“So what is your full name? ”
Again, the hypocrisy. You demand the name of the admins, but go around with the name “Don’t care”-a totally fake name. Why is it okay for you to have a fake name, but not for anyone else to?
“You are so hostile towards people yet apparently no one else is allow to get upset..hmm what is with that?”
More with the hypocrisy. Weren’t you the same guy who said “It’s just an opinion, you hvae to accept it?” So….it’s okay to demand acceptance when you make a comment, but whenever anyone else makes comments they have to accept whatever you say?
“And while I’m here ‘mindmadeup’ aren’t you getting off topic when replying to ‘your full of crap’ did you feel yourself losing your point? ”
Well, considering you’re ignoring any questions that challenge your beliefs (See above), I wouldn’t talk about “getting off topic” if I were you. The admin is usually happy to discuss views with commenters here, but when commenters, such as yourself, ignore anything that challenges them, there’s not a lot of places where the discussion can go.
“‘your full of crap’ is very right is saying you are targeting people to put them in the way of harm.”
How is this site any more harmful to people than people posting hate filled messages towards entire communites in Australia?
” You are not helping anything with this site, you are feeding the problem.”
How? How is this feeding racism? Are people who feature on this site going “Hooray, now I’m going to be more racist than ever so I can feature again” – that’s not the sentiment I get from you .
But if you think this is harmful in stopping racism and prejudice, please, let us know what you would suggest. I await your answer on how to combat racism, discrimination and prejudice. Remember, ignoring it doesn’t go away. Refusing to challenge hatred in interpreted as supporting it, as after all, the commenter says “There must be no problem with saying all mosques should be burnt down, and Muslims deported, because if there was, someone would tell me”.
Anyway, let us know what your idea is.
“Perhaps your title should be ‘I don’t care who gets hurt’ or perhaps ‘I hate anyone that hates something’? Because let’s face it, you couldn’t even agree to disagree.”
When the people made the above posters, did they care who got hurt? Did they care if innocent muslims would be offended?
Arn’t you just a dumb sack of shit JM, you should go take a big one up the arse from a muslim sounds like youre in love. You are committing treason with your hate for people standing up for your/their country and you must have been dropped on your head to believe half the shit you write the questions you ask of don’t care are really simpleton type shit, your like a cockroach climbing on good food. You say white christians are racist and neve get called out???? since fkg when? white people get called racists when they so much as sneeze in the wrong direction you idiot.
Yeah and you have just given us the sort of example that proves you lot are racist – a personal attack on a poster replete with abuse and homophobic imagery which actually expresses your own deep yearnings, and carrying on about “white people”.
Boohoohoo
John, tell me this, why do the same people who hate muslims (And usually other non-white non-christians), usually hate gay people to, yet love, straight out love, talking about men having sex with each other? I’ve always wondered that.
“You are committing treason with your hate for people standing up for your/their country ”
No, I’m defending my country. But the real country of Australia, the multicultural democratic country I grew up in and love. Not this fictional “White only” facist country groups like the ADL and others seem to be defending.
And before you start saying you’re not a facist….you accused me of committing treason for, essentially, disagreeing with you, and people you support. How can there be free speech if disagreeing with you is treason?
“You say white christians are racist and neve get called out????”
When did I say that? I mean this honestly-it’s been a month since any of these comments were made.
Oh, I see, I didn’t. I said that white christians have privelege in Australia-totally different, and tend to be unaware that others do not have such privelege. Are you now denying this is true? Are you telling us that all Christians in Australia were treated like the worst Christians of all time, just like Muslims are; or that all white people are blamed for crime committed by white people, like literally all other races are?
Y’know, you learn so much if you actually read what I wrote, instead of just making it up.
“white people get called racists when they so much as sneeze in the wrong direction you idiot.”
Example of someone being called racist for sneezing in the wrong direction, or something minor like that. Because I know of people being called racist for openly treating black employees like crap and telling them he couldfire them if they speak up, for following asian people walking home shouting “Chingchong” at them, but haven’t heard any of people sneezing and being racist for it, or anything like that.