Is Your Hatred Based on Lies?

Interest-free home loans for asylum seekers? Muslims responsible for majority of rape? Higher Centrelink payments for refugees? Wow! How come the mainstream media aren’t jumping on all of these stories?

Sandra Rogic aka Sandy Mitchell isn’t known for her intelligence. But when she posted these porkies on a public Facebook page the other day, we thought it only appropriate that we respond with some facts.

Myth:

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Fact:

Health Care:

The Australian Medical Association affirms that those who are seeking, or who have been granted, asylum within Australia have the right to receive appropriate medical care without discrimination, regardless of citizenship, visa status, or ability to pay. Like all seeking health care, asylum seekers and refugees in Australia should be treated with compassion, respect, and dignity.

The AMA makes the following observations and recommendations in relation to the health care of asylum seekers and refugees:

Health and Welfare of Asylum Seekers and Refugees

1. In addition to suffering the same health problems as the general population, asylum seekers and refugees are at particular risk from a range of conditions including psychological disorders such as post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, depression, and the physical effects of persecution and torture. They may also often suffer the effects of poor dental hygiene, poor nutrition and diet, and infectious diseases such as tuberculosis, which may be more common in their countries of origin.

2. To determine their specific health needs, all asylum seekers and refugees should undergo comprehensive and timely health assessments in a culturally appropriate manner by suitably trained medical practitioners as part of a primary health care team. This assessment will be used to establish ongoing care.

3. All asylum seekers and refugees should have access to the same level of health care as all Australian citizens. In addition, it should be ensured that their special needs, including cultural, linguistic, and health-related, are addressed.

Crime Rate Increase?

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(Source)

Interestingly and as a side note, Bankstown (in Sydney) is known for having the highest concentration of Muslims in Australia. Yet the crime rate there is below the state average, and falling.

Interest Free Home Loans?

No. Here are some no-interest loans that are available to all Australians though:

http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/About_Us/7/4/3/3/

http://www.news.com.au/business/bank-launches-interest-free-home-loan/story-e6frfm1i-1111113145968

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/nab-to-trial-interest-free-muslim-loans/story-e6freon6-1225734395803

(Note: the final line in this story is “The loans would be available to non-Muslims as well.”)

Myth:

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Fact:

“The effect of the attitude of suspicion adopted by many Australians unfortunately tends to be cumulative in its effect where conscious effort is not made to arrest it. A “community attitude” is adopted which is very difficult for individuals to break through. This “community attitude” tends unfortunately to be fostered, albeit unconsciously, by the Press. If an Australian commits a misdemeanour, responsibility for it is attributed to him individually. If a migrant commits a similar misdemeanour it is usually reported in such a way that the fact that he is a migrant, rather than the crime itself, is featured and responsibility for the offence is thus shared by the whole migrant population.”

(Commonwealth Immigration Advisory Council 1952. Report of Committee Established to Investigate Conduct of Migrants.)

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“News about crimes by migrants creates concern, often unfounded, and tends to disadvantage groups that show higher than average involvement in crime. These concerns can often lead to some outlandish claims that some migrant groups are criminal by nature, or that criminals are entering Australia and our controls may not be working. There is no evidence to indicate that criminals are entering Australia by flouting immigration laws and controls. It is also not possible to say who among the overseas-born, i.e. immigrants, temporary residents, tourists, asylum seekers, or illegal immigrants are arrested for crimes.”

(Source)

“After a spate of sexual assaults on women in south-western Sydney in 2000, many of them carried out by young Lebanese-Australian males, Labor Premier Bob Carr condemned the assertion that the criminal behaviour and misogynist attitudes of these young men were shaped by their experience of growing up in Australia, and not by their ethnic background. Yet figures from the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research show that gang rapes are more common in country NSW than anywhere in Sydney.”

(Source)

A 1998 study into juvenile crime by the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research found that “ethnicity was, in general, not related to participation in crime amongst NSW secondary students. In fact where we found any relationship between ethnicity and participation in crime it indicated that students from an ethnic background had lower rates of participation in crime.”

Crime Statistics > Rapes (per capita) (most recent) by country

Rank Countries   Amount   Date
# 1   Lesotho: 0.844 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Christianity
# 2   New Zealand: 0.315 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Christianity
# 3   Belgium: 0.299 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Christianity
# 4   Iceland: 0.286 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Christianity
# 5   Norway: 0.203 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Protestant
# 6   Israel: 0.166 per 1,000 people 2009 Time series Dominant religion: Jewish
# 7   Finland: 0.141 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Christianity
# 8   Chile: 0.12 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Christianity
# 9   Mongolia: 0.118 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Buddhism
# 10   Ireland: 0.102 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series Dominant religion: Christianity
# 11   Kazakhstan: 0.099 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 12   Estonia: 0.093 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 13   Luxembourg: 0.091 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 14   Denmark: 0.09 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 15   Germany: 0.089 per 1,000 people 2009 Time series
# 16   Argentina: 0.081 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 17   Czech Republic: 0.062 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 18   Mauritius: 0.06 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 19   Lithuania: 0.056 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 19   Kyrgyzstan: 0.056 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 21   Moldova: 0.053 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 22   Russia: 0.05 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 23   Slovenia: 0.048 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 24   Hungary: 0.047 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 24   Romania: 0.047 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 24   Poland: 0.047 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 27   Latvia: 0.041 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 28   Oman: 0.04 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 29   Croatia: 0.036 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 30   Belarus: 0.035 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 30   Morocco: 0.035 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 32   Slovakia: 0.033 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 33   Bulgaria: 0.031 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 34   Portugal: 0.029 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 34   Bahrain: 0.029 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 34   Liechtenstein: 0.029 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 37   Malta: 0.025 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 37   Philippines: 0.025 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 39   Cameroon: 0.024 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
= 39   Cyprus: 0.024 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 41   Sierra Leone: 0.021 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 42   Greece: 0.02 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 43   Kenya: 0.019 per 1,000 people 2009 Time series
# 44   Canada: 0.016 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 45   Japan: 0.014 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 46   Maldives: 0.013 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 47   Guinea: 0.009 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 48   Azerbaijan: 0.004 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 49   Armenia: 0.003 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series
# 50   Egypt: 0.001 per 1,000 people 2008 Time series

Myth:

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Fact:

A refugee who has permanent residency in Australia receives exactly the same social security benefits as any Australian-born person in the same circumstances. Refugees apply for social security through Centrelink like everyone else and are assessed for the different payment options in the same way as everyone else. There are no separate Centrelink allowances that one can receive simply by virtue of being a refugee.

Centrelink payments are calculated at exactly the same rate for both refugees and non-refugees. A single person with no dependent children applying for Special Benefit or the Newstart Allowance (whether or not he or she is a refugee) will receive $489.70 per fortnight, whereas a single person on an Age Pension payment will receive a fortnightly payment of $695.30. A single age pensioner therefore receives over $200.00 more per fortnight more than a single refugee (or a single Australian-born person) who qualifies for Special Benefit or Newstart. Australian citizens and permanent residents with dependent children on lower to middle incomes (including refugees) may also be eligible to receive Family Tax Benefits or Parenting Payments. However, none of these allowances are paid at a higher rate than the single age pension.14

Asylum seekers are not entitled to the same forms of financial support as citizens or permanent residents. The Asylum Seeker Assistance (ASA) Scheme provides assistance to some eligible asylum seekers who are in the process of having their refugee status determined. The ASA Scheme offers income support to cover basic living expenses, at a rate below Centrelink benefits.

Bad luck Sandra Rogic. You’re still full of shit.

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55 thoughts on “Is Your Hatred Based on Lies?

    • We all know places like africa are going to have very misleading statistics because of records kept and a lack of reporting of crime, also population size tends to bring down ther ate to makee it seem better. The stats from australia per head of population rate tell the story we know Lebanese, cambodian anf fiji taking top. The statistics do justify peoples perceptions.

        • What do they only rape women in Victoria?

          Well given some of the racist low life down there and the correlation between violent crime and racism/white supremacy…

        • “News about crimes by migrants creates concern, often unfounded, and tends to disadvantage groups that show higher than average involvement in crime. These concerns can often lead to some outlandish claims that some migrant groups are criminal by nature, or that criminals are entering Australia and our controls may not be working. There is no evidence to indicate that criminals are entering Australia by flouting immigration laws and controls. It is also not possible to say who among the overseas-born, i.e. immigrants, temporary residents, tourists, asylum seekers, or illegal immigrants are arrested for crimes.”

      • umm, the myth presented was that muslims are responsible for the majority of rapes…where’s your evidence to suppoty this claim???

  1. Umm… Lesotho is in African Christian country Mike, so their actually illustrate that not all African countries under-report rape (as you claim), or that African Muslim countries have higher rates of rape.
    Neither Cambodia nor Fiji are Muslim countries so 2out of your 3 “top” countries lend any weight to the argument that Muslim men are more likely to rape.
    In fact, the spread of Muslim countries across the scale either reflects that the religion of a country doesn’t impact on rates of rape or that they are no more likely to under-report than non-Muslim countries (otherwise all the Muslim countries would be clustered towards the bottom of the scale!)
    The information about gang-rape in rural NSW is more telling, because Muslim populations are less present in rural areas.

    • Yeah when they say Fiji they mean Indian not native fijians. Rapes in Fiji have gone up, the rest of the pacific does not have this trend. I know for a fact there have been cases here commited by ethnic indians from fiji.

      Its crazy also the police will call an african man a man of dark complexion or something similar for an indian or lebanese, why dont they just say a black african then we know its not a tanned aussie or a spanish man, so muvh bs in this area. Just have a look in the prisons.

      • “Yeah when they say Fiji they mean Indian not native fijians. ”

        Source, or did you just happen to meet the researcher involved in this study at the pub, and he said to you “Hey mike, just so you knopw, when I write the word Fijian, I mean Indian-who are all Msulims, even though the majority of them are Hindu”

        What interesting people you meet.

        ” Just have a look in the prisons.”

        Spend a lot of time in prison, do you? Anyway, source for any of this bs-or is it just coming from the voices in your head?

    • The table is about ethnicity not religion muslim is a religion. S”so their actually illustrate”. Melanie no offense but you don’t sound very bright.Rural nsw wonder who makes up a good portion of that population and is over represented in prison ?
      Now muslim countries are great places for women. cut off your cliterous and beat and whatever else, but great place for women Africa also great place for a women. Why are some people so stupid. It can’t be for real.

      • Mike (offence intended) you sound dumb as fuck.

        “also population size tends to bring down ther ate to makee it seem better”
        When I finally deciphered that I think you’re trying to infer that having a small population reflects positively on the rate of rape. Do you know what ‘RATE’ means!?

        • Two letters are out of plsce, join the dots . I m using a small phone. Iceland population 300 thou plus is only high becaude of such a small population, if one crime occurn a population of 100 thou thats going to reflect worse than one crime in a pop of one million. More crimes, more independent events and chances that a crime wont be reported. what your seeing is better reporting and a smaller population in iceland compared to say egypt.

        • Flip a coin twice
          and there is a decent chance of two tails or two heads, but as we know if you do this many times hundreds it will even out to close to even number of head and tail results ie approaches fifty percent of results forming each alternative. This is why in experiments large sample sizes where practical are m reliable.ore

        • So just to be clear, you’re saying that more rape happening more often in a smaller group of people reflects better on the group than having a lower rate of rape of a much larger group of people?

          Let’s play a game. I have a group of 200 people-let’s say 0.5% of them are rapists. I also have a group of 1 billion eopke-0.3% of them are rapists. You hang out in each group-in which one are you more likely to find a rapist?

          This is why we do rates, mike, rather than total numbers. Rates are important as they show respective danger or risk of a community (In this case none).

          By your understanding,it seems like that you’d prefer to hang out with a small group made up of 50% rapists, rather than a much large group with less than 0.1% rapists-am I right?

        • See thats were your thinking is limited. Its not just the rates to consider its whether these rates come even close to the truth, to reality. i m telling you now most cases are not reported, so in a population of one billion of course there are going to be more cases of unreported rapes. there could be all sorts of things going on in that population, where as a hypothetical population of 200 there is simply less scope for hundreds of unreported less rapes less events

        • “i m telling you now most cases are not reported, so in a population of one billion of course there are going to be more cases of unreported rapes. there could be all sorts of things going on in that population, where as a hypothetical population of 200 there is simply less scope for hundreds of unreported less rapes less events”

          And again: “Your evidence based argument is wrong. My non-evidence based argument is right”

          So let me get this straight, Mike. If there is a large population with a low rate of rape, there will be more unreported cases of rape than in a smaller population-to the point that the rate of rape would actually increase.

          Evidence please. You’ve challenged the above evidence based argument but have presented none for your own. You say that the rate of rape is actually totally different than what this site is presenting-what are you basing it on? Research, actually evidence, or just you thinking one thought, then thinking “Yeah, that’s about right”?

    • How does the country being christian or muslim have anything to do with crimes being reported? It’s Africa, don’t kid yourself, crimes occur there on a regular basis. “The arguement muslim men are more likely to commit rape” wtf are you going on about i m not saying a word about religion. You dont look white Aussie are you Arabic or north African? Your arguing something no person has even said.

      • “The arguement muslim men are more likely to commit rape” wtf are you going on about i m not saying a word about religion.”

        Did you read this article before you posted?

        You didn’t, did you? You rarely read anything in fact, you just react to things without ever bothering to read context, understand beackground or anything like that.

        The comments made at the top of this page state that the majority of rapes are committed by Muslims. This is the argument that is being challenged and disproven here.

        So….why did you comment here if you didn’t even bother to read the article first? Are you incapable of reading?

        • Source that the indians are the ones making trouble. Or any source in fact. Any source at all.

          And again, why did you comment here if you did not read the original article?

        • Mike, you are either really stupid or a very good troll. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. Everything you have posted is clearly and plainly wrong!

  2. Yeah, there are too many problems with this report im not even gonna bother, other than too say this article really makes me hate refugee’s now I have the ‘facts’ lol

    • Behold, the typical internet troll. He says “This sucks” because he cannot create anything worthy. He says “I’m right” because he cannot bare to even conceive that he could be wrong. And he does not support his belief, because if he tried to, he would find there is nothing to support it.

      He loves no one, helps no one, and does nothing. All because it’s so much easier to criticise the attempts of others.

  3. And what do you think that your hatred of Australians is based on then?!
    Australia, like most other White/Western nations, is now being fractured and destroyed by the deliberate and malicious introduction of enormous populatons of alien racial and ethnic groups.
    This is causing a myriad of problems; and no amount of LIES will gloss over this fact!
    Each of you (whoever you anonymous rats are) at the “Antibogan” are eager keen on mass mmigration,’multiculturalism’ and White genocide being impacted upon Australia…you cannot then backpeddle and pontificate around, trying to pretend that what is happening to our society somehow isn’t.
    You also have no right to attack Australians who express their concerns about what is happening.
    What is being done to us and our society is bad…but this is not all about “naughty or nice”, it’s about the NUMBERS of alien racial and ethnic groups arriving here now and where this will all lead unless it is stopped!

      • Just to be clear, Mike:

        “Thinking for ourselves” means agreeing with you in everyway shape or form, even if facts and evidence contradict those thoughts, but

        “Not thinking for ourselves” means using critical examination of alternative arguments to find which are supported, and which are not supported, using evidence more thorough and comprehensive than “This guy I know told me this thing”

        Is that right?

        • If the figures were absolutely without a doubt correct then fine but its too hard to compare these countries as population sizes vary greatly and recording of and reporting of the crimes also varies and its well known that a good proportion of these crimes in fact never make the records to form these rates and i m hoing to make an informed guess that there is better reporting in australia or iceland than say egypt.

        • Okay, so we go to standard far right argument number 12:
          “Your information with supported evidence is wrong. My unsupported argument is right-just go with me on this”

          Where are you getting your evidence from, mike? You’re quick to say that the official statistics are wrong, but are unable to say what you’re basing your own argument on. You say you’re making an informed guess-what information?

    • Scott, you’ve never answered this question-if Australia was a white only country, where would you be able to get the Asian prostitutes you openly enjoy?

      And now, responses that Scott will ignore, because…well times are tough and he has to choose between internet and prostitution. Other people have wives, girlfriends, and internet, but Scott doesn’t have those luxuries. Anyway, here we go:

      “This is causing a myriad of problems; and no amount of LIES will gloss over this fact!”

      What problems? Name them. Be specific.

      “White genocide being impacted upon Australia”

      How exactly are white people experiencing genocide? You want to have white babies? Go find a willing woman and you can. No one will stop you.

      Unless you’re seriously trying to tell me that “Having a non-white person living next door to me is equal to the Holocaust”

      “You also have no right to attack Australians who express their concerns about what is happening.”

      Actually we do. Free speech includes the right to criticise-or do you disagree with free speech?

      “and where this will all lead unless it is stopped!”

      Please, tell me either how you are going to stop immigration (“I won’t leave a tip for the prostitutes this time-that’ll show them!”) or this terrible dystopia we are heading towards (“Imagine, if Asian women could all end up in profitable industries, supported by the community, where would I go to find a prostitute?”). I look forward to your ignoring the questions.

  4. What a specimen you are Scott.
    A shame that I’d rather mingle with intelligent and cultured humans from other countries than knuckle dragging bogots like yourself.

    • Scott i have lost all respect you bring shame on white australians seeing prostitutes, and the ultimste insult is that you are seeing asian ones. Yyour out of linr scott

      • Wait, mike, what’s so particularly wrong about seeing Asian prostitutes? Because it sounds like you’re supporting the idea of seeing white prostitutes over Asian ones.

        Y’see, for all us here, seeing prostitutes at all is shameful-the fact that they’re Asian is just some added hypocrisy mixed in.

  5. Nice deconstruction of common tropes. Yet people still want to argue with hearsay even though you’ve laid all the facts on the table!!!

  6. “Mike” has been terminated with extreme prejudice. We knew he was a troll but we wanted to see the stage when the meds stopped working and he lapsed into incoherence and pointlessness.

    Happily it didn’t take long.

  7. Unfortunately your crime statistics chart is meaningless because of the high correlation between reporting of crime and lack of corruption.

  8. I like the generality of what you are saying but the evidence for the rape part is meaningless. The chart has no key so without knowing what the symbols and bold or underlines numbers mean there is no way of knowing if any of the figures are statistically significant. Also, you’re point is lost by mixing together country of origin/ethnicity with religion. It’s unfortunate because otherwise this is a really great blog post.

    • True, the data presented isn’t perfect, but it’s fair better than the data suggesting that all Msulims are rapists which is…..nothing. No data really.

  9. I’m generally a fan of your site but too often your posts appear to be written by over-eager, earnest undergrads.

    There are clearly many things wrong with the data presented about rape statistics by country. Think about it: in countries where extra-marital sex is likely to be punished by law or result in severe social repercussions how many people do you think will be reporting rape? And even if it is reported, how many of these countries will be providing open, honest crime statistics to the rest of the world?

    • I don’t assume you are literally an undergrad but sometimes it all smacks a bit too much of a first year humanities student vs the world.

      Do keep on exposing the racists who are stupid enough share their poorly constructed opinions with us though. I draw the line at calls for censorship though, freedom of expression is more important that protecting someone from being offended, no matter how ignorant the opinions that are being freely expressed may be.

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