Nowra City Church Preaches Against Asylum Seekers

Some facts for the influential preacher Peter Pilt to consider:

* 43.7 million forcibly displaced people worldwide at the end of 2010;

* Seeking asylum in another country is not illegal;

* Howard’s Pacific Solution didn’t ‘stop the boats’ as the figures do not represent the amount of boats that were either turned back around and sent to Indonesia or sank;

* Peter Pilt has not considered the legality of seeking asylum, or the actual statistics based on what is referred to as the worldwide ‘push factor’.

If you’re given a highly influential position as some kind of minister or preacher in a church, the very least you can do is to get your fucking facts right and avoid pushing scare campaigns on social media.

60 thoughts on “Nowra City Church Preaches Against Asylum Seekers

  1. I cannot afford to pay more tax for more freeloaders! Keep them coming, where will we flee to? I am happy for my tax to go to OS aid, they can help themselves then, and their descendants, while we do the same as our forefathers did for US, yes US.
    Thieving is thieving no matter how sympathetic you want the thief to look, these people are attempting to steal from others for their own gain. We already gave so much in OS aid, military aid, soldiers lives, they still want their own personal contribution. I have been hungry and poor in my past, I did not need to steal to progress. My gains were beneficial to others in my community and country, a standard I want to pass to my children.
    I send money to World Vision as well, if we all took a bit from our own pocket, we may all feel the same and see these really nice people stay home and do the right thing and help their nation and people, hmmmm.
    When will you see the light, or do you also like a free ride!

      • And what is the basis for that accusation? How is tax money keeping me in a job? This blog is obviously a place where baseless allegations are made without any regard for truth. Thats me done. Over the lies after the second comment. Enjoying amusing yourselves working yourselves into a frenzy over lies. I would have thought there were enough issues in the world with out having to dance around mistruths as some sought of sport. Obviously reality is too big a deal for people on this blog and so you have to entertain yourself with lies. Well good for you. Enjoy your little fantasy world.

        • A Preacher at a church talking about reality???? 😀

          LMFAO!! 🙂 🙂 Where is that freaking talking snake?? 😦

        • Right peter. So you’re telling us that the “Nowra City Church” does not get effectively subsidised by Nowra locals by not paying council rates (as per what every church is entitled to). In addition you are also telling us that your collections/tithes/donations are taxed like every other business transaction. Pull the other one.

    • “Freeloaders”

      Yep, asylum seekers are apparently freloaders. Totally believable, if you ignore small country towns who welcome the asylum seekers breathing new life into their community:
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-17/victorian-mayor-criticises-asylum-seeker-plans/3574720

      Oh, and the small fact that five of Australia’s 8 billionaires in the year 2000 were refugees:
      http://tellmesomethingidontknow.gov.au/%C2%A0five-australia%E2%80%99s-eight-billionaires-2000-were-people-whose-families-came-australia-refugees-they

      Please, Steve, tell me how, unlike asylum seekers, you are not a freeloader, and you’ve managed to become a multibillionaire, and breathed new life into multiple communities. After all, if the above are the examples of what freeloaders do, what you do must be beyond amazing!

      “Keep them coming, where will we flee to?”

      Why exactly are we needing to flee anywhere? How much do you love Australia if you are already planning to leave?

      Then he goes into a tirade about how stealing is wrong, and somehow fleeing for your life is stealing.
      Quick question Steve, if you were an Afghan Hazara, and the Taleban came around to draft you as a solider, would you flee for your life, or give the armed soldiers a lecture on how stealing is wrong? Seriously, what would you do?

      “I send money to World Vision as well, if we all took a bit from our own pocket, we may all feel the same and see these really nice people stay home and do the right thing and help their nation and people, ”

      Brilliant, good on you for donating to World Vision. Now, tell me, how is more money going to stop the Taliban from killing Hazaras? Will it stop the Burmese government’s war on the Chin community? How about stopping China executing democracy protestors?

      I donate my money and time to help asylum seekers, real people who have fled for their lives. You donate money so you can wash your hands of any guilt when you call people fleeing for their lives freeloaders, people who if they were white would be called heroes, victims, and success stories.

      Quick question, how is what the current asylum seekers are doing anyway different to how Jews fled the Nazis in the lead up to World War II? Or, if you were alive in the 30’s, would you be the one saying “Well, I can’t afford to pay any more tax to these freeloaders, so we should give all our money to Nazi Germany and maybe they will do the right thing by thier Jewish residents”?

      • Yeah, I’m pretty sure there are much better ways to be a “freeloader” than to risk your life on a ship to escape war and oppression. Oh noes, they want a better life and the safety which international law promises them. What freeloaders! 😛 Meanwhile Paul Hogans is living in the US and apparently is exempt from tax because he did a few ads back in the 1980s.

  2. I love these “christians” and their views about persecuted, often Christian asylum seekers. Surely the people of the ‘Nowra City Church’ would love to have more people to recruit from? What a pack of dills.

  3. This guy’s such a dill, a complete hypocrite and typical of the bigot scum which have infiltrated contemporary Christianity, using the Bible to act as a shield for their hatred of anyone not brown, heterosexual or “Christian”. On his newsfeed especially loathsome are his repeated references to the “charity” work that he and his buddies are allegedly doing in Nepal, handing out blankets and bibles and shit to the locals… the work is patronising and his reportage even more so, not to mention that it truly is self-aggrandisng to boot. If this jerk really was the great humanitarian that he claims to be then he would make some effort to acquaint himself with the actual legalities surrounding asylum-seeking and the reasons as to why people frequently resort to desperate measures when seeking asylum (i.e. your average Syrian has great trouble applying for the necessary travel documents to leave their country without being shot by their government). In reality Mr Pilt is just another of Tony Abbott’s acolytes, a “Christian” who paradoxically jerks off over the unreadable dross that served as the literary output of Ayn F****** Rand, an author who incidentally was about as scathing of Christianity as one can get.
    Mr Pilt, I myself am a Christian; and I am nothing less than ashamed to have rubbish such as yourself among the ranks.

  4. Idiocy beyond words. Why are refugees Muslim? Because the war started by GWB and forced on Obama and Rudd (among others), is being waged in Muslim nations. The war began at the level of religious distinctions and these people haven’t figured this out, despite being God ‘enthusiasts’ themselves. I have rarely read such self-satisfied tripe that was simultaneously such utter drivel. Dear GOD, please activate the second brain cell with which I am sure you have equipped your servants here, the single omeba currently running the show is obviously tired.

  5. According to his website:

    ‘I will act justly and love mercy and kindness.’
    FAIL

    ‘I will understand that life is short and so I will not waste it on small dreams, small mindedness, mediocrity, negativity and being critical.’
    FAIL

    ‘I will be …. a kind, friendly stranger to those I don’t know.’
    FAIL

    I guess the seminary didn’t teach him the meaning of the word hypocrisy.

  6. who were the billionaires?
    This is text from the report
    The report notes that refugees are often entrepreneurial, as they face the need to set up and establish themselves in a new environment. Of the eight Australian billionaires listed in Business Review Weekly’s “Rich 200” list in 2000, five were former refugees or children of former refugees.
    seems to be a fairly loose claim ,doesn’t say anything else about them, whether they are refugees or not, I wouldn’t exactly call someone born here a refugee.

    • Simian Rage, the above poster called refugees freeloaders, ie, people who do not contribute to the community.

      Isn’t a refugee who produces a child who becomes a billionaire contributing to Australia? Or, even if they produce a child who will grow to give far more back to Australia in creation of industry and taxes than whatever their parents cost Australia, they still are freeloaders? Seems like a pretty high bar to set.

      As for examples of them:
      Richard Pratt, descendant
      Harry Triguboff, Russian Jewish refugee
      Michael Hintze, descendant
      Frank Lowy
      Victor Smorgon

      Incidentally, of the other billionaires in Australia, quite a few of them, while not refugees, are first or second generation migrants, including:
      Kostas Makris
      Kerr Neilson
      Pankaj Oswal
      Carlo Salteri
      Shi Zhengrong
      Ivan Glasenberg
      John Gandel

      Wow! Considering that Australina billionaires are only number a very few, and first or second generation migrants, or descendants of refugees only make a small percentage of Australia as a whole….that’s a lot of income produced by people that original poster referred to as free loaders.

  7. do you think we should let everyone in JM? create another Asia or Middle East? Another Africa? also, how do you know if any of these people are going to care one iota about the indigenous etc the environment here. I look forward to your response.

    • A native perspective 250 years ago:

      do you think we should let everyone in MDMA? create another white settler colony? also, how do you know if any of these people are going to care one iota about us, or the environment here? I look forward to your response.

    • “do you think we should let everyone in JM? create another Asia or Middle East? Another Africa? ”

      No. Thankfulyl we don’t have to, and no one is asking us to. No one is saying “Let’s import the entirey of Asia, Africa and the Middle East”-the only thing being asked for is a better response to asylum seekers.

      You do realise there is a difference between Asylum seekers and just people coming from poor countries, right?

      “also, how do you know if any of these people are going to care one iota about the indigenous etc the environment here. I look forward to your response.”

      I don’t. I also don’t know that all the European descendad Australians are going to care one iota about Indigenous rights or the environment (And in fact no plenty of caucasian Australians, entire political parties in fact, which don’t care about either).

      Are you saying that in order to become Australian you need to care about the rights of indigenous people, and protecting the environment, but once you are an Australian, you’re allowed to not give a crap? Or is it just a case of a higher standard of entry for Non-whites compared to white people?

      • I thank you for that response JM. The standards need to be kept high certainly. There are high standards for regular immigrants and rightfully so, we can choose the immigrants coming. I don’t think anyone has expectations of migrants and asylum seekers especially to be perfect. I firmly believe the responsibility for taking in so many people of foreign cultures lies with the government, I feel a lot of Australians want to see more control exercised in immigration and Asylum seekers, or I do believe the various problems from the homelands will just be transferred. For whatever reason you do hear of these new Australians being involved in unacceptable behaviour. We have had immigration for a while now but I feel it used to be better controlled. We need to sit back and ask how it is going? before letting more in. Otherwise we will end up with half the middle east, asia and africa here and if there are problems it’s too late to do anything.

        • ” I feel a lot of Australians want to see more control exercised in immigration and Asylum seekers”

          Evidence of this? Or just general feelings?

          “I do believe the various problems from the homelands will just be transferred.”

          Evidence of this, or just a belief?

          “We have had immigration for a while now but I feel it used to be better controlled. ”

          Examples of how it was better controlled previously, or is it just a gut instinct?

          “Otherwise we will end up with half the middle east, asia and africa here and if there are problems it’s too late to do anything.”

          Do you know what the word hyperbole means?

          Anyway, stuff you ignored:

          1-Are you saying that in order to become Australian you need to care about the rights of indigenous people, and protecting the environment, but once you are an Australian, you’re allowed to not give a crap? Or is it just a case of a higher standard of entry for Non-whites compared to white people?

          2 At what point was coming from a country that had been involved in wars no longer a problem for you?

          3- Please, in detail, MDMA, tell us all, how have migrants affected Australia so far. Please tell me exactly how the waves of Chinese migrants in the 19th century, Irish and jewish migrants in the early twentieth century, Greeks and Italians in post WWII, and SE Asian migrants in the 70′s and 80′s have affected Australia and you personally for the worst.

          And if they haven’t, if they have, in fact, integrated quite well-then please tell me on what basis you say Australia will be effected negatively in the future.

          4- How exactly are non-white cultures any more different than European cultures are to each other?

          5- Are you telling us that all white people, no matter their background, only have one culture?

          6- Are you telling us that all Western people always treat women with respect?

          7- If us Westerns hate crowded places, why don’t we all move out to the country?

          8- “we are not cruel to animals, ”

          Except when we are. Define cruelty to animals.

          9- ” we do not disguise our faces in public, ”

          Well, except when we do. Wasn’t there a woman at the last APP rally who went to great lengths to hide her own face.

          10- “our girls sometimes choose to wear mini skirts and our lads singlets, we don’t consider this a crime, ”

          Great-so that’s our culture now? Mini-skirts and singlets?

          11- “we don’t breed like rabbits ”

          Which is why the Christian churches, especially Catholocism, absolutely support birth control. Right?

          12- Are you saying that all non-western people have no actual courtesy or rules of etiquette? Is that truely what you believe?

          13- “No matter how much you claim non westerners fit into a western country, time and time agian I’ve seen good evidence that this is disproportionately not the case.”

          You’ve got good evidence? Display it

          14- So…..you accept that non-white migrants fit in, but it doesn’t matter to you? So even if a non-white migrant easily fits into Australian culture, you still have a problem with them for….what?

          15- Some Australians are nothing but trouble. Are you going to ban all Australians from Australia because some are going to be criminals? Or is it not a bad thing to be a criminal, as long as you’re white?

          16- How exactly is this site tarnishing all “western” people by taking public domain examples of racism and publicising them?

  8. Lets bring in uncapped numbers of people from places where they are warring or overpopulated. Great idea. I bet that was what the british colonies had in mind.

    • They are capped. All visas are capped.

      Incidentally, is your objection to migrants a recent thing, or have you similarly objected to migrants coming from War torn Europe post WWII, from Ireland curing and after the Irisih Civil war, etc? At what point was coming from a country that had been involved in wars no longer a problem for you?

  9. just as I thought. your all for bringing in all these people, but you don’t know why or have not thought about how it is going to affect the current citizens or the countries future. I’d say thats pretty typical of all the people in that camp.

    • Please, in detail, MDMA, tell us all, how have migrants affected Australia so far. Please tell me exactly how the waves of Chinese migrants in the 19th century, Irish and jewish migrants in the early twentieth century, Greeks and Italians in post WWII, and SE Asian migrants in the 70’s and 80’s have affected Australia and you personally for the worst.

      And if they haven’t, if they have, in fact, integrated quite well-then please tell me on what basis you say Australia will be effected negatively in the future.

      One thing I love to hear, from anyone, is their explanation of why some groups of migrants are okay, usually all the migrants we had up until 10-15 years ago, while everyone who has arrived in the last 10-15 years is going to ruin Australia. They say the new group is different because…because they don’t have the same religion (Unlike say Greek Orthodox migrants in the 50’s, or Catholic and Jewish migrants before then), or they don’t speak the same language (Because Italian is the same as English apparently), or that they don’t have the same culture (Europe is just one big culture-there’s no differences at all). I’ve even had one person say that it’s because their country has a different History.

      They normally, they admit it’s because the old migrants they liked were white, or a skin colour they didn’t object to. And that apparently makes all the difference.

  10. Why compromise with cultures so different from our own. Westerner culture is civilised and advanced. Actually lets just say NO for once. We treat women with respect, we are not cruel to animals, we don’t like our cities to be crowded like ant colonies, we do not disguise our faces in public, our girls sometimes choose to wear mini skirts and our lads singlets, we don’t consider this a crime, we don’t breed like rabbits and we have rules and common courtesy.

    No matter how much you claim non westerners fit into a western country, time and time agian I’ve seen good evidence that this is disproportionately not the case.

    • Why compromise with cultures so different from our own.

      Your particular “culture” must be very boring if it does not include the many wonderful foods brought to us by immigrants, among many other benefits they .

      Westerner culture is civilised and advanced.

      Yep, and they have spent most of their history since the days of the Roman Empire at war with each other.

      We treat women with respect

      No you bloody well don’t.

      we don’t breed like rabbits

      Unless there’s a baby bonus in the offing

    • “Why compromise with cultures so different from our own. ”

      How exactly are non-white cultures any more different than European cultures are to each other?

      “Westerner culture is civilised and advanced. ”

      Again, the myth of the singular Westerner Culture.

      This does not exist. There is not a “European Culture”-there are “French cultures” and “English Cultures”etc. Are you telling us that all white people, no matter their background, only have one culture?

      “We treat women with respect”

      Except when we don’t. Jill Meagher’s attackers was white. Five white politicians in America in the last six months have minimised the effect of rape, to the point of one saying “Some women rape so easy”

      Are you telling us that all Western people always treat women with respect?

      “we are not cruel to animals, ”

      Except when we are. Define cruelty to animals.

      “we don’t like our cities to be crowded like ant colonies, ”

      Well, that’s plainly not true. If us Westerns hate crowded places, why don’t we all move out to the country?

      ” we do not disguise our faces in public, ”

      Well, except when we do. Wasn’t there a woman at the last APP rally who went to great lengths to hide her own face.

      “our girls sometimes choose to wear mini skirts and our lads singlets, we don’t consider this a crime, ”

      Great-so that’s our culture now? Mini-skirts and singlets?

      “we don’t breed like rabbits ”

      Which is why the Christian churches, especially Catholocism, absolutely support birth control. Right?

      “and we have rules and common courtesy. ”

      Are you saying that all non-western people have no actual courtesy or rules of etiquette? Is that truely what you believe? Bloody hell, you’re as bad as the guy who said white people invented families.

      “No matter how much you claim non westerners fit into a western country, time and time agian I’ve seen good evidence that this is disproportionately not the case.”

      You’ve got good evidence? Great-let’s see it. Let’s see your evidence that non-westerns disproportionately do not fit into Australia. I mean, it must be pretty good evidence, not just a hand full of stories you’ve overheard (Which would not be proportional).

      I await your evidence.

  11. The problem is not whether some fit in or don’t. The problem is the stupid polititions that let them in. When do they stop? when they let the whole non western world in? These places have population problems, they are all fighting one another, there are all sorts of crimes. This is Australia, we don’t have this here, sorry to say it but some of these people are nothing but trouble. The responsibility for this is the government, that goes for all western countries. Really need to think about what they are creating.

    • …they are all fighting one another, there are all sorts of crimes.

      Here’s some home-grown crims who think it’s fun to shoot each other on a regular basis as part of their dumb turf wars.

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-07/man-critical-after-sydney-shooting/4357338

      Like the coppers, we don’t really care about them except while they are eliminating each other they have the potential to seriously maim or kill innocent people. Already the homes of uninvolved people have been attacked because these morons don’t check first.

      So Australia has a long history of home-made crims.

      However both migrants and refugees are carefully screened before they are allowed to settle here.

    • “The problem is not whether some fit in or don’t.”

      So…..you accept that non-white migrants fit in, but it doesn’t matter to you? So even if a non-white migrant easily fits into Australian culture, you still have a problem with them for….what?

      “When do they stop? when they let the whole non western world in? ”

      Yes, because if you let a few people in (And seriously,the refugee intake is nothing compared to our intake from England or New Zealand), that means you’re going to import an entire country.
      Wake up! We brought over a lot of SE Asian migrants in the 70’s and 80’s. Yet, strangely enough, Vietnam and Cambodia still exist.

      Are you the sort of person who goes to such hyperbole in other situations: “Charge me for speeding! Next they’ll charge me for walking quickly!”

      “These places have population problems, they are all fighting one another, there are all sorts of crimes. ”

      All of which is irrelevant, as you’ve said. Presumably, you’d agree that if someone brings over ethnic conflict and crime, they arent’ fitting into Australia, right? But you’ve already said that if they do fit in, and therefore do not engage in ethnic conflcit and crime, you still don’t accept them. Why?

      “This is Australia, we don’t have this here, sorry to say it but some of these people are nothing but trouble. ”

      Some Australians are nothing but trouble. Are you going to ban all Australians from Australia because some are going to be criminals? Or is it not a bad thing to be a criminal, as long as you’re white?

      Once again, we go to the racists morality handbook:
      1. It is okay to murder, rape, steal, or commit any crime, as long as you’re white.
      2. It is not okay to do anything, criminal or perfectly legal, if you are not white.

      Fun fact-I can count two far right organisations rushing to defend Jimmy Saville on his sex charges. Yet to find a far left organisation rushing to defend any paedophile, anywhere.

  12. why leave a comment in moderation if it has no swearing is not lengthy or highly offensive. Are you thinking up an answer to the comment before you allow it to be posted?

      • We do not agree with what your preeching. You focus on the negative and associate it with westerners. I call upon everyone to post a comment when you have time, or post on other sites. We don’t want this shit.

        • “We do not agree with what your preeching.”

          Who’s “we”? Are you talking on behalf of all “western” people now? You don’t talk for me!

          “You focus on the negative and associate it with westerners”

          How exactly is this site tarnishing all “western” people by taking public domain examples of racism and publicising them?

          ” I call upon everyone to post a comment when you have time,”

          Yes, this is your call to action: “I call on all people to post something online, somewhere, at sometime in the future”
          What’s next “I call on the grass to grow, and the sun to rise, but only in the morning”? Are you the sort of person who think automatic doors open because you told them to?

          But I warn you, Forwards, not backwards, that my powers are stronger than yours. For I control time. Which I will now demonstrate:

          I call on Tomorrow to occur After TODAY! And I call on Yesterday to occur BEFORE Today!

          I think you understand you’re dealing with a pretty big player here.

  13. Oh please. It’s like listening to my grandfather harping on about all the ‘wogs’ that came to Australia. The Greeks and Italians were going to ruin this country. They were going to take our jobs, rape our women, take over the Government etc. Well look around you MDMA. The whole of this country, apart from the already existing indigenous population was founded by immigration. People have been coming to Australia from all parts of the world for over 200 years and guess what? It’s still a beautiful country. It’s still a great place to live. How will it affect our future? Well I’m guessing that if it’s anything like our previous history, the first generation will cling to the old ways, their children will be a bit of both and then their grandchildren will be indistinguishable from your average Australian. Some of them may even grow up to be bogans like yourself and protest lamely about the number of immigrants coming to our country.

    • No they have not. My family has been here since early times. I can tell you now they only started letting non europeans in the second half of the century. Most non European migrants have come here after !980. That is fact. The biggest numbers of non European migrants have come after the 1980s, some groups even more recent. White Aust policy ? After all we didn’t build it for the third world refugees.

      • My family has been here since early times.

        In other words you stole the land from the original inhabitants, sat on your fat arses, whinged about newcomers and bred inferior blog trolls like yourself.

        Harryfartypants
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        theoilunderyourforeskin
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        Forwards not backwards
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        Forwards not backwards
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        IP Address: 101.170.255.248
        ISP: Telstra Internet
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        Etc etc etc…

      • So you want to pretend that Australia was once a monocultural harmonic country (Ignoring the Aborigines), despite the fact that Australia has alwasy been multicultural. What do you do?

        Well, you take your modern perceptions of who is “In” your culture, and you place them in past times. Who cares if they fit or don’t?

        So, like the author above, he says that it was only after Asians turend up in Australia that there were problems with migrants. Because Protestants and Catholics all got along, no one had any problems with Jews, there was no criticism of the Irish, and the Greeks, Italians and other European migrants had no cultural differences with the Australian born citizens.

        Of course, it’s entirely false to assume that Europeans are one united mass of cultures, just as it would be wrong to say that all Asian cultures are the same; and is incorrect to state that there were no racist or cultural issues prior to non-white migration. But hey, it let’s him keep his worldview for a little bit longer-his belief system kinda collapses without it.

        By the way, when yo were talking about “we” was that just yourself referring to your multiple personalities?

  14. I thought the whole idea of life was to make things nice,easy and to relax , so I don’t really have a problem with freeloaders.

    • If you don’t have a problem with freeloaders, that’s fine for you. But it’s perfectly clear that to call all refugees and asylum seekers freeloaders who don’t contribute, that beleif is incorrect.

  15. WOW talk about making a case out of something that I didn’t say. To say that Nowra City Church preaches against Asylum Seekers is an unjustifiable conclusion from my post. I merely made a statement of fact. How is that preaching against Asylum Seekers.? If you are going to spend the time making an allegation, try and not be a liar when you do it.

    • Mr Pilt, you fail to note the following. Your stating the number of “boat arrivals” is indicative of your views on asylum seekers, such views most likely springing from the right wing of the political spectrum. The right, incidentally, is not usually associated with terribly much compassion for anyone, as it is very much an ideology of self-interest. You also use emotive language such as “illegal”. Your likely political idol, Tony Abbott, you will note has not used the term “illegal” since a certain encounter he had with one Leigh Sales, where he was challenged about his inappropriate use of the term “illegal” in the asylum seeker debate, something that you are doing yourself. Your statement regarding boat arrivals is a very politically charged one… it shows support for the policies of a party which has done an amazing amount of work in stoking the flames of xenophobia for the sake of political expediency, and in doing so you also have used language (i.e. “illegal”) which has been instrumental in every redneck’s justification of the “AWOL FIFO” creed. To cut a long story short, you’re, whether you like it or not, stoking the flames of irrational race hatred in the Australian community. Now do you see just how it is that one has arrived at the conclusion of your hypocrisy, when such views are interspersed with your religious beliefs? Christianity, after all, is not a faith supposed to foster hatred and intolerance.

  16. How Christian of him. I grew up in a devoutly catholic home and not once did I hear a bad word said about asylum seekers, I guess some people just don’t take the whole ‘care for the weak and vulnerable’ business very seriously.

  17. Maybe if the western powers including Australia stopped bombing these countries all over the world back into the stone age, they wouldn’t feel the need to make a journey to somewhere better, regardless of just where that place is? Until I made the conscious decision to see for myself and research for myself the reasons behind people seeking asylum, and the world view of how the west and in particular Israeli and American foreign policy drives most of the worlds conflicts today (for resources and petro dollar monopolies), I held views similar to those expressed on this site. I am glad to say I no longer hold those views. I admit to residual doubts about religions of all types, but the broad categorizing of immigrants into terrorists and free loaders and somehow less human than me is gone. I won’t be holding hands with the greens singing earth songs, but neither will I be condemning someone to a life of discrimination or abuse just because they are different to me. Sure express your opinions, but make sure they are informed opinions people, and if you still choose to be angry and have hatred then there are consequences and you will be held to them.

  18. First and foremost. Mr. Pilt did not actually say anything racist. Yes his statement was foolish for a public member of the community to make, yes it has the the ability to provoke discrimination. But nothing in this statement is about race or specifically anti-islam. It is a criticism of the current asylum seeker policy. While every racist is uncomfortable with asylum seekers, not everyone who is uncomfortable with asylum seekers is automatically a racist. I expected better of you for someone who criticises people so often for generalisations. What Pilt put up here was not smart and the comments underneath are not particularly nice, but this silly comment is miles away from the people who threaten to bash /kill /cause violence to minorities.

    Bleakanddestroy, your comments are disgusting and narrow minded.I love how the admins here turn a blind eye to generalisations when they are made against conservatives.

    “Your stating the number of “boat arrivals” is indicative of your views on asylum seekers, such views most likely springing from the right wing of the political spectrum. The right, incidentally, is not usually associated with terribly much compassion for anyone, as it is very much an ideology of self-interest”

    What a disgusting generalisation. So all conservatives are automatically selfish, hateful bigots. Such a generalised way of thinking is very hypocritical indeed, especially for someone who claims to stand up against discrimination. I know a lovely couple, who are staunch liberal voters and they spend much of their free time engaged in volunteer for the Department of Immigration and Citizenship, helping migrants and refugees and they are encouraging their children to do the same. It is also important to note that the right actually raises more money for charities than the left. But this is beside the point, you shouldn’t be generalising about an entire political spectrum anyway

    “Your likely political idol, Tony Abbott”

    Once again assuming makes an ass out of you.

    “Your statement regarding boat arrivals is a very politically charged one… it shows support for the policies of a party which has done an amazing amount of work in stoking the flames of xenophobia for the sake of political expediency”

    So the entire Liberal party is racist? xenophobic? Bloody hell,mate, your capacity for generalising knows no bounds. Yes, there are racist, xenophobic bigots in the Liberals, just as there are sexist, criminal union thugs and extremist commies in the Labor and Greens. There are extremists in all the major parties unfortunately, but fortunately they usually out themselves before its too late (i.e, Bernardi) and are rightfully removed. Also since when was racism and xenophobia,solely the domain of the right. Historically, racism has been far more prevalent in the white working class left-wing unions and one only has to visit an Australian university campus to see see the left “stroking the flames of xenophobia” in relation to the Israel / Palestine conflict and provoking anti-Jewish sentiment. What you have written suggests that the only reason people would support the Liberal party is because they are racist or xenophobic? It might be hard to believe have you ever consier that some of vote Liberal because we support their economic policy with its lack of government intervention, prefer monarchy as a system of government, want harsher sentencing for criminals or wish to see a resurgence of family values and traditions. Being a conservative might make you a traditionalist but being a traditionalist does not automatically make you a bigot.

    “Now do you see just how it is that one has arrived at the conclusion of your hypocrisy, when such views are interspersed with your religious beliefs?”

    This applies to you. You only need to replace “religious beliefs” with “extremist narrow minded political beliefs”. Anti-bogan, if you are to stand against discrimination, you really need to take more of a stand against your forum members generalising in such a manner. It is hardly professional to pick and choose which generalisations you support and condemn, based on your own personal political preferences.

    P.S just for the record I don’t hate the left at all. I’m a swing voter, choosing who I honestly believe will be best for the country at any given time. I recognise the strengths and weaknesses on both sides of the political spectrum and that a functioning Australian society requires a healthy diversity of viewpoints

    • Grug.. just wow. Accusing people of generalisations while making some of your own.
      First of all ‘Xenophobes’ are not quickly removed by the Liberals. Take the case of Scott Morrison. A guy who calls for indefinite detention in Nauru, wrote columns on the boat-people spreading disease fallacy and who objected to families of the Christmas Island tragedy being flown to attend funerals.
      As for the historical question of whether Labor and the left was historically racist. It’s true. Times have changed and post-1970 Labor has brought about the end to WAP, and brought in laws against discrimination and brought people from various migrant communities into our political system. Same in the US, the Democrats were the party of slaveholding farmers, but changed post-WW1 and became non-racist, while the Republicans kept their ‘traditional values’. But that is history, ie. in the past. We are talking about the here and now. The LNP are appealing to the worst sentiments.
      If they really are about a ‘resurgence of family values’ – they would drop their objections to families attending funerals and not call for indefinite detention of asylum-seeker families. That truly is racist and beyond even the worst racism expressed before 1970.
      PS: For balance sake. Liberals and Liberal voters don’t necessarily prefer the monarchy. Many Liberal figures, Malcolm Turnbull, Nick Greiner, Julie Bishop, Amanda Vanstone and Joe Hockey are all republicans. Two of the three electorates that voted yes to the republic in 1999 were Liberal Party ones. Talk about generalisations eh Grug.

  19. Where did Daveo say you were? He responded to Grug, and constantly called him Grug.

    Now you say “I am not Grug”-mightily suspicious, especially considering you have used sock puppets a lot in the past.

    Also, btw any chance you answering any of the many many questions you ignored? Or are you too busy pretending not to be one of the sock puppets no one is claiming you are?

  20. “You don’t see a place like Japan or Korea accept a heap of refugees.”

    Yeah.. no one from North Korea has ever sought asylum in either South Korea or Japan.
    Fruitloop.

  21. Is that you again, forward not backward? Why the multiple personalities? Is it so you can fell like you have friends or anyone who agrees with you?

    “No source evidence at all mind you davoe fucktard. ”

    I’m still waiting on you to provide evidence that non-westerns disproportionately do not fit into Australia. You’ve said you had it, but never state what it is. I’ve also asked for evidence that the majority of Australians want more control over asylum seekers and immigrants, evidence that problems in a migrants homeland will be transferred to Australia, evidence that Australia had better controlled migration which has somehow been loosened fairly recently, and many many more.

    So, let’s not be a hypocrite here. You have not once provided evidence for ANYTHING you’ve said, so why should davoe? Or is it a case that anyone who disagrees with you has to prove everyhing, but your word is Gospel?

    “The problem with westerners is that they are too nice for their own good, and non westerners take advantage of this.”

    Please, be specific. Tell us how exactly you have been taken advantage of by non-westerners. Or how non-westerners as a whole are taking advantage of any other country.

  22. All the stuff that Harryfartypants/ Forwards not backwards / grug / MDMA has continued to ignore:

    1-Are you saying that in order to become Australian you need to care about the rights of indigenous people, and protecting the environment, but once you are an Australian, you’re allowed to not give a crap? Or is it just a case of a higher standard of entry for Non-whites compared to white people?

    2 At what point was coming from a country that had been involved in wars no longer a problem for you?

    3- Please, in detail, MDMA, tell us all, how have migrants affected Australia so far. Please tell me exactly how the waves of Chinese migrants in the 19th century, Irish and jewish migrants in the early twentieth century, Greeks and Italians in post WWII, and SE Asian migrants in the 70′s and 80′s have affected Australia and you personally for the worst.

    And if they haven’t, if they have, in fact, integrated quite well-then please tell me on what basis you say Australia will be effected negatively in the future.

    4- How exactly are non-white cultures any more different than European cultures are to each other?

    5- Are you telling us that all white people, no matter their background, only have one culture?

    6- Are you telling us that all Western people always treat women with respect?

    7- If us Westerns hate crowded places, why don’t we all move out to the country?

    8- “we are not cruel to animals, ”

    Except when we are. Define cruelty to animals.

    9- ” we do not disguise our faces in public, ”

    Well, except when we do. Wasn’t there a woman at the last APP rally who went to great lengths to hide her own face.

    10- “our girls sometimes choose to wear mini skirts and our lads singlets, we don’t consider this a crime, ”

    Great-so that’s our culture now? Mini-skirts and singlets?

    11- “we don’t breed like rabbits ”

    Which is why the Christian churches, especially Catholocism, absolutely support birth control. Right?

    12- Are you saying that all non-western people have no actual courtesy or rules of etiquette? Is that truely what you believe?

    13- So…..you accept that non-white migrants fit in, but it doesn’t matter to you? So even if a non-white migrant easily fits into Australian culture, you still have a problem with them for….what?

    14- Some Australians are nothing but trouble. Are you going to ban all Australians from Australia because some are going to be criminals? Or is it not a bad thing to be a criminal, as long as you’re white?

    15- How exactly is this site tarnishing all “western” people by taking public domain examples of racism and publicising them?

    • Harryfartypants/ Forwards not backwards /MDMA are all one troll. Its name has been changed to reflect this where I have allowed its post to appear. They will not be back. Ignore them.

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