Andrew Bolt: his rights, our freedom

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In an address titled “Freedom Wars”, Tony Abbott has declared that it is his intention to repeal s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, claiming that this section of the Act impacts upon Freedom of Speech. This ideal of freedom of speech is that which we should all aspire to, however is it as our friend Aquanut once stated: You mean the freedom to be an asshole.

The text of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth) can be found via Austlii.

Section C18 of the Act, that being which Tony Abbott so vehemently opposes concerns offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin. That’s correct it’s offensive behaviour, with the specifics being:

For an act to be unlawful it must fulfill the following criteria:

  • that the action causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or that it is…

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49 thoughts on “Andrew Bolt: his rights, our freedom

  1. It scares the living shit out of me as to what Australia will become once Abbott and his henchmen take power. We are dealing with a bunch of ideological AND religious zealots who put the Tea Party to shame. I have no hesitation in labeling what is to come fascism with a libertarian streak.
    I just fail to understand why Australians don’t wake up to this. Our rights in the workplace will be seriously curtailed. The Christian religion, despite what the Constitution says, will be shoved down everyone’s throats, whether we like it or not. No doubt there will be gradual censorship of what we can read and watch. Intelligent design and climate-change denial will gradually become staples of the education curriculum, with the help of state Liberal governments. International law will be ignored and lives put at risk (both foreign and Australian) in an effort to “turn around the boats” and so placate the xenophobic bloodlust of your average Australian redneck. Public services will be cut to the bone so that the likes of Gina and co can minimise their tax liabilities. The list goes on. And here, without all that terribly much media fanfare, Abbott has made it clear that under a Coalition government it once again will be okay to call a black person a “Nigger” or to accuse a gay person of “spreading f****** AIDS, c***”.
    It is a truth that there are those of non-Caucasian extraction who may usually support the Coalition for whatever reasons. I can only hope that these people wake up to what is going on here. And I can only hope that the rest of Australia will wake up to the fact that we are not just dealing with John Howard Mk II here, but instead with a man determined to turn Australia into a hybrid dystopia reminiscent of both “1984” and “A Handmaid’s Tale”. I shit you not.

        • The idea of a politician supportign the murder of children disturbs me, especially when no one in his party condemns him.

          But hey, different people different values, eh Grant? You have a problem being communist, but don’t have a problem with people killing kids. I have a problem with people killing kids, but don’t mind so much if you are conservative or liberal. Funny old world.

    • The ‘average ‘Aust. ‘redneck’ happens to outnumber the innercity green voting latte sippers like you pal. Ever heard of majority rules?

      • Majority rules.. What you mean like the 2007 and 2010 elections where the Libs lost? You right-wing whingers (or right-whingers) have been pissing and moaning about it ever since.

      • Any evidence of that? considering your own party, the APP, is the ultimate fail whale, any evidence that the majority of Australians support your views….in anything?

        • I repeat-proof that the majority of Australians support you in anything.

          No “Well it looks liek to me…”-it looks like to me Grant that you’re a very sad person who insults and attacks others to make up for the sad misery that is your life, that you blame everyone else for choices you made, and respond to the dissapointment that is your social life, your work life, and your environment, by oputting down anyone who has actually done something with their life…

          But I have no proof of that. So I don’t say that’s an absolute fact. You say, frequently, that the majority of Australians share your views on multiculturalism, asylum seekers, etc-despite never providing a single shred of evidence.

    • Well Warrior Tom, Howard never tried to shut down media outlets that said stuff he didn’t like, unlike gillards witch hunt against newscorp. & why are you bullshitting about censorship when you & your fellow travellers here have turned censorship into an artform- the witch hunt against Andrew bolt, your bleating about comments directed at aboriginals & all your leftist bureacracies set up to enforce leftist ideology. Piss off.

      • Grant, clearly you don’t like “leftist” ideals. Now, no doubt you’d hate to be a hypocrite. Now, what has the left done for you over the years? Oh yes, as a result of the left one has a social welfare system. One also has sick leave, holiday leave, a minimum wage etc. Whatever education you received was free and/or heavily subsidised thanks to leftist policies. Medicare… a product of the left. May I suggest that you start paying all your own healthcare out of your own pocket, start funding all your own holiday and sick days, pay back to Centrelink anything at all you may have received from them in the past.
        As for regulation of the media; we are not talking censorship of straight-up political views. What we are talking about is preventing another idot such as Alan Jones from stoking the fires of another Cronulla. Not quite sure why you’re so defensive of Newscorp. It’s essentially just a vehicle for Rupert and Co to spout propaganda which cons plebs such as yourself into believing that by you fighting for Gina Rinehart to accumulate another ivnory backscratcher the quality of your own life is somewhat improved. May I suggest that you look up the word “plutocracy”. That, dear chap, is essentially what you’re fighting for, believe it or not.
        Also, may I ask just when you last when to church? I only do so because I bet that you also like to go on about “Christian” values and all that.

        • The left are responsible for cronulla , u imported Muslims then turned a blind eye ( & still do so) to the crimes they r committing.

          Alan Jones is to blame? Yeah Alan is the big bogeyman. LOL No mate he just stated the obvious. Thats why he’s No 1 in sydney radio- year in year out. Only your constant lefty propaganda has stopped the masses acquainting themselves with the threat this rancid religion poses. On the other hand we have Mike Carlton ( warrior of the left) who got…ahem…..demoted.,

          As for the industrial relations stuff the workers themselves thru the unions gained these measures. there aren’t right wing unions? Give me a break.

          Yeah u don’t like Gina buddy because she has her eyes on the Sydney Lefty Propaganda Herald- & would put a broom thru it, ha ha. Give me Rupert any day. He’s shit, but Fairfax is worse. Yes Fairfax is just about to go the way of the dinosaur and a lot of these lefty ‘journalist’ drones will have to find a real %$^^7 ** job. i hope she buys fairfax & sacks everyone of them.

          As far as the schools go matey….. they were started by the Christian Church LOL not by lefties. how do I know? Partially, because one of my earliest ancestors here was a minister who started a school. LOL in addition to that, the sooner a broom is put thru the schools the better, so the left wing shit that is being taught can be fully & utterly purged. All schools shouls be fully parent controlled.

          Sick leave LOL whats that?? I run a business. Centrelink??? whats that? No mate I’ve ‘got’ too much money. ( Thats reserved the victim groups of the left ( like worthy illegal immigrants/ asylum shoppers).

          “As for regulation of the media; we are not talking censorship of straight-up political views”

          Oh yes we are my friend. gillard gives a rats about jones? Bullshit. Bob Brown started this BS using the phone hacking scandal in the UK as a pretext to attack ‘the hate media’. ( Newscorp) Because unlike the lefties in the Herald they were exposing some embarrassing info about gillard and her lefty bedmates ( that would be the watermelon Greens). Is that not true?

        • “The left are responsible for cronulla , u imported Muslims then turned a blind eye ( & still do so) to the crimes they r committing. ”

          You are such a good lawyer Grant! No, people aren’t responsible for their own actions, it’s the fault of other people for existing that cause crimes. So when Alan Jones recommended bikies go beat about Lebanese people-that’s not a crime-it’s the crime of Lebanese people to be there in the firstp lace.

          You have never ever ever taken responsibility for your own actions, have you Grant? You do whatever you like, and when it hurts oyu, you blame someone else. You are a child, screaming at the world that you broke all your toys.

          “Thats why he’s No 1 in sydney radio- year in year out.”

          Wow! No.1 in radio! And radio is such a booming media, isn’t it? I mean, forget the internet, tv, newspapers, movies-talk back radio is someone everyone uses!

          Not only that, Grant knows everyone supports him, because the top silent films, greek tragedies, and cave paintings all back his beliefs as well.

          “there aren’t right wing unions? ”

          Name them. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

          “i hope she buys fairfax & sacks everyone of them.”

          So just to be clear-hacking into the phones of dead girls is okay with you, as long as you’re not a lefty?

          You really don’t have any other values, do you Grant? You can rape, murder, and steal to your heart’s content, but as long as you think they’re sufficiently conservative, you will always think they’re a top guy! More and more the APP is the party of “Do what you want, as long as you support us and hate brown people!”

          “As far as the schools go matey….. they were started by the Christian Church”

          And how right wing are churches today? In your answer, please explain about how your view of all churches as right wing is not cotnradicted by the majority of Christian religions supportign welfare for the poor, and refugees.

          Incidentally, how exactly are churches organising schools right wing at all? After all, the kids at the school are receiving filty handouts-shouldn’t you be complaining that these schools reject all government supports, and make the kids pay full fee, like they should be earning?
          And the question can be repeated-if you object to all socialism, shouldn’t you be objecting to the entire notion of public schools, and government funding of schools? That, my dear Grant, is all coming in the form of handouts-somethign you object to absolutely.

          “All schools shouls be fully parent controlled.”

          Cool-so if a parent rapes his child, you think that should be taught as a good behaviour?

          It seems your view of schools should be based less on science, learning, and facts, and more like a cult, on belief. “Grant says 2 + 2 = 5, so we’ll need to redo all our maths books now”

          Grant, think about what you’re saying. Suppose a parent believes that people called Grant are subhuman and should be exterminated-do you think that belief should be allowed in schools if the parents want it?

          “Sick leave LOL whats that?? I run a business”

          So….you don’t care abotu sick leave because, by owning your own business, you can have that whenever you want? So, for the majority of people who don’t have their own business, they shouldn’t be allowed to have the dirty socialist sick leave, and have to work even if they’ve had their arm cut off? Is this a policy the APP will take to the next election: “No sick leave, no free speech, we’ll probably kill your kid at soem point, and the only belief system allowed in schools will be our beliefs”

          Bloody hell-you guys are meant to be hating the lefties, and foreign countries-but your view of Australia seems like a mixed between Stalinist Russia, and modern day Burma!

          And because Warrior is probably busy, here is the stuff you missed:

          1-Whatever education you received was free and/or heavily subsidised thanks to leftist policies. Medicare… a product of the left.

          2- May I suggest that you start paying all your own healthcare out of your own pocket,

          3- Also, may I ask just when you last when to church? I only do so because I bet that you also like to go on about “Christian” values and all that.

      • Howard never tried to get rid of views that opposed him? apart from the non-stop bleating about “The ABC is biased-we need to cut its funding” and “The ABC is biased, it needs to have noted far right columnists on its boarD”

        Let me get this straight-one politician, who you support, spends almost his entire career calling one news outlet biased, and seeking to curb its expressive voice-and that’s not the government controlling the media-that bit you’re okay with.

        But when another politician seeks an inquiry to an organisation that has been linked to many many illegal acts in both America and England, and shown to have too much power in both of these coutnries, as they have been skirting under the radar while committing these crimes for too long, and that’s unfair? Why is inquiring about media power in one source an abuse of pwoer, but actually taking control of another new outlet not an abuse of power?

        • Newscorp pays it’s way my friend. it’s called a business.

          The ABC is a tax payer funded outlet for leftist propaganda.

          As such it needs to be fully privatised or better still shut down.

          And if the soft cocks in the liberal partry had any ball ( which they don’t) Thats what they’d do.

        • So, let em get this straight, you oppose a government inquiry into a media source, as government intervention and limiting of free speech.

          But you do believe in shutting down news sources you object to. That seems to be a contradiction.

          Is it a case, Grant, that you only support free speech when it’s speech you agree with? So-in other words, you are agaisnt democracy and free speech-more a facist sort of sensibility? How exactly can free speech exist if all views that oppose yours shoulsd be shut down?

  2. I hope we Aussies come to our senses closer toelection time and Abbott fails to ever get elected PM. Yeah, the thought of him in charge is pretty disturbing.

    Is it too optimistic of me or does it seem like perhaps the political turn around has started. The carbon price ain’t so bad,& people are finding that they’re actually doing okay with it, Gillard may be winning grudging respect for her good and tough leadership and her governments economic crisis management, the reality of Human Induced Rapid Global Overheating (HIRGO) as I prefer to call “global warming” is starting to hit home and become ever more undeniable, Abbott’s droning negativity and lack of actual policies and substance is ever clearer, etc ..

    A week is a long time in politics, a year is an eternity and there’s about a year – perhaps longer till the next election. Much can change over that time. (Turnbullt to replace Abbott even?) I hope and honestly think that whilst she’s definitely the underdog, Gillard and the ALP can still win and keep Abbott out of power.

    • Gillard has about as much chance as a snowdflake in hell.

      As for turnbull ditto.

      If you knew your politics, the liberal party’s e mail & fax went uinto meltdown, over his endorsement of Rudds abortive Copenhagen soiree ha ha. yes …. “the biggest moral challenge of our time” Ha ha ha. which of course was nothing more than a wealth re distribution scherme ah la rudds fairyland socialist streak.

      • Grant-here’s what you’ve forgotten to respond to. Still terrified of questions, aren’t you? Poor you!

        1-Whatever education you received was free and/or heavily subsidised thanks to leftist policies. Medicare… a product of the left.

        2- May I suggest that you start paying all your own healthcare out of your own pocket,

        3- Also, may I ask just when you last when to church? I only do so because I bet that you also like to go on about “Christian” values and all that

        4- So when Alan Jones recommended bikies go beat about Lebanese people-that’s not a crime-it’s the crime of Lebanese people to be there in the firstp lace?

        5-You have never ever ever taken responsibility for your own actions, have you Grant? You do whatever you like, and when it hurts oyu, you blame someone else. You are a child, screaming at the world that you broke all your toys, right?

        6-“there aren’t right wing unions? ”

        Name them. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

        7- So just to be clear-hacking into the phones of dead girls is okay with you, as long as you’re not a lefty?

        8- You really don’t have any other values, do you Grant? You can rape, murder, and steal to your heart’s content, but as long as you think they’re sufficiently conservative, you will always think they’re a top guy! More and more the APP is the party of “Do what you want, as long as you support us and hate brown people!”

        9-And how right wing are churches today? In your answer, please explain about how your view of all churches as right wing is not cotnradicted by the majority of Christian religions supportign welfare for the poor, and refugees.

        10- Incidentally, how exactly are churches organising schools right wing at all? After all, the kids at the school are receiving filty handouts-shouldn’t you be complaining that these schools reject all government supports, and make the kids pay full fee, like they should be earning?

        11- And the question can be repeated-if you object to all socialism, shouldn’t you be objecting to the entire notion of public schools, and government funding of schools? That, my dear Grant, is all coming in the form of handouts-somethign you object to absolutely.

        12- “All schools shouls be fully parent controlled.”

        Cool-so if a parent rapes his child, you think that should be taught as a good behaviour?

        13- Grant, think about what you’re saying. Suppose a parent believes that people called Grant are subhuman and should be exterminated-do you think that belief should be allowed in schools if the parents want it?

        14- “Sick leave LOL whats that?? I run a business”

        So….you don’t care abotu sick leave because, by owning your own business, you can have that whenever you want? So, for the majority of people who don’t have their own business, they shouldn’t be allowed to have the dirty socialist sick leave, and have to work even if they’ve had their arm cut off?

        15- Is this a policy the APP will take to the next election: “No sick leave, no free speech, we’ll probably kill your kid at soem point, and the only belief system allowed in schools will be our beliefs”

        • I repeat, because Grant wets himself when he sees a question mark:

          1- May I suggest that you start paying all your own healthcare out of your own pocket,

          2- Also, may I ask just when you last when to church? I only do so because I bet that you also like to go on about “Christian” values and all that

          3- So when Alan Jones recommended bikies go beat about Lebanese people-that’s not a crime-it’s the crime of Lebanese people to be there in the firstp lace?

          4-You have never ever ever taken responsibility for your own actions, have you Grant? You do whatever you like, and when it hurts oyu, you blame someone else. You are a child, screaming at the world that you broke all your toys, right?

          5-“there aren’t right wing unions? ”

          Name them. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

          6- So just to be clear-hacking into the phones of dead girls is okay with you, as long as you’re not a lefty?

          7- You really don’t have any other values, do you Grant? You can rape, murder, and steal to your heart’s content, but as long as you think they’re sufficiently conservative, you will always think they’re a top guy! More and more the APP is the party of “Do what you want, as long as you support us and hate brown people!”

          8-And how right wing are churches today? In your answer, please explain about how your view of all churches as right wing is not cotnradicted by the majority of Christian religions supportign welfare for the poor, and refugees.

          9- Incidentally, how exactly are churches organising schools right wing at all? After all, the kids at the school are receiving filty handouts-shouldn’t you be complaining that these schools reject all government supports, and make the kids pay full fee, like they should be earning?

          10- And the question can be repeated-if you object to all socialism, shouldn’t you be objecting to the entire notion of public schools, and government funding of schools? That, my dear Grant, is all coming in the form of handouts-somethign you object to absolutely.

          11- “All schools shouls be fully parent controlled.”

          Cool-so if a parent rapes his child, you think that should be taught as a good behaviour?

          12- Grant, think about what you’re saying. Suppose a parent believes that people called Grant are subhuman and should be exterminated-do you think that belief should be allowed in schools if the parents want it?

          13- “Sick leave LOL whats that?? I run a business”

          So….you don’t care abotu sick leave because, by owning your own business, you can have that whenever you want? So, for the majority of people who don’t have their own business, they shouldn’t be allowed to have the dirty socialist sick leave, and have to work even if they’ve had their arm cut off?

          14- Is this a policy the APP will take to the next election: “No sick leave, no free speech, we’ll probably kill your kid at soem point, and the only belief system allowed in schools will be our beliefs”

          And now, the new stuff you ignored:

          15- if you have one grandparent with the ancestry-that’s the only grandparent you have, that’s the oen who raised you, who taught you about life-you’re meant to deny that entire culture because Grant said so?

          16- Would you be accepting that with your children? Like, if they marry a Swede and move to Sweden, are you happy for the child of that union, to denty your existence, and never acknowledge your culture? Let me know, I’m eager to find out.

          17- “So, the fact that Bolt’s articles was filled was mistakes, did not contain any additional reseach outside of a Google search-that’s okay with you?”

          18-I’m guessing you heard the word in passing, and it’s easier for you to say “I hate Socialists” rather than “I hate anyone who disagrees with me, and non-white people, and people who don’t have my religion, and who don’t not share my religion, etc”-without bothering to check what the word coming out of your mouth actually meant. Am I wrong?

          19-So, let em get this straight, you oppose a government inquiry into a media source, as government intervention and limiting of free speech. But you do believe in shutting down news sources you object to. That seems to be a contradiction.

          20- Is it a case, Grant, that you only support free speech when it’s speech you agree with? So-in other words, you are agaisnt democracy and free speech-more a facist sort of sensibility? How exactly can free speech exist if all views that oppose yours shoulsd be shut down?

        • And most of all, how can you be for free speech when you want new organisations that disagree with you to be shut down as “leftie propoganda”, and support a party whose senior members support the murder of children who oppose them? How can free speech be free, if differing views are banned or punishable by death?

  3. Tony Libtard wants to strip away the rights of millions of people not to be racially harrassed or vilified so his mate Bolt has carte blanche to continue sinking the boot into Aborigines. He’d retract the apology to the Stolen Generations if he could.

    So will voters wake up and realise what a chump he is? Probably not. I suspect they’re too entrenched in their blinkered views to change now.

    • i believe Bolts comments centred around the fact that there are ‘aboriginals’ with really really white skin, with thin anglo noses & red hair, pretending to be aboriginal. Ha ha, thats vilification is it? No, I’d say it’s just calling a spade a spade. & more than likely putting their hands out for aboriginal handouts.

      • So, the fact that Bolt’s articles was filled was mistakes, did not contain any additional reseach outside of a Google search-that’s okay with you/

        And just to be clear-ALL the people in the article had Aboriginal ancestry….but to you, and Mr Bolt, they’re not Aboriginal. So what percentage does an Aboriginal need to have of ancestry in order for you to call them Aboriginals?

        • That would be 50% or more, my friend. Less than 50% = more other race than aboriginal & is therefore not aboriginal.

          nothing more than freeloaders that u fully approve of, bludging off the taxpayer.

        • So let me get this straight, if you have one grandparent with the ancestry-that’s the only grandparent you have, that’s the oen who raised you, who taught you about life-you’re meant to deny that entire culture because Grant said so?

          To put in another way, my wife is Vietnamese. When we have children, they’re allowed to be both Australian and Vietnamese (Thoguh as an APP member you’d disagree and say that they should all be deported, no doubt)-but if our children have child with a vientamese person, that child needs to deny my entire half of the family, that culture, that history, and never acknowledge them again? Likewise if that child should coem from a union with an Australian person, the vietnamese backgroudn should be denied forever, and my wife never allowed to speak or talk abotu her background with her grandchild ever again?

          Would you be accepting that with your children? Like, if they marry a Swede and move to Sweden, are you happy for the child of that union, to denty your existence, and never acknowledge your culture? Let me know, I’m eager to find out.

          And what you ignored:
          “So, the fact that Bolt’s articles was filled was mistakes, did not contain any additional reseach outside of a Google search-that’s okay with you?”

      • You still haven’t addressed two essential points Grant. First up, when did you last go to church? Do you go at all? Second, do you use Medicare? If so, then why don’t you care to do the ideologically right (pardon the pun) thing and pay for all your healthcare out of your own pocket? Oh, I forget, you’re a member of the master race, and therefore not prone to illness or injury…

        • Use medicare? Free education? How is that relevant.? Do I pay taxes? Or are you suggesting I cop free healthcare? In addition to that, I have private health cover. So what?

          And I might add, that close to 30% of my tax dollars support Australia’s vast welfare handouts.- many; the ‘protected’ victim groups of the left- including the vast aboriginal welfare rorts.

          In terms of ‘christian values’ , better that, than that of cultural marxists . You would be aware of course of the copious No. of Christian welfare agencies. Needless to say, the gov. ( who you believe holds the answers to all on mankind’s problems) would be in meltdown without them.

        • Ah here we go, the dirge-like whine of the white and privileged. I pay more taxes over a long working life than you ever have and I don’t begrudge a cent given to the underprivileged and poor.

          As for you – go find a sugar daddy 🙂

        • Grant, you are the king of ignoring everything except the question you want to answer.

          As WarriorTom asked, Medicare and public schooling, or public subsidised schooling are all Socialist. If you object to Socialism, do you also object to all of these opportunities you will have been using at some point? Would you call for the end of Medicare as a member of the APP, like you’ve called for an end of all schooling you disagree with?

          “You would be aware of course of the copious No. of Christian welfare agencies. ”

          Well, that totally was not the question ANYONE was asking. Guess what-no one here is going against Christianity or discounting their welfare contribution. Whati s being asked here are about your so-called Christian values.

          You’re not being consistent at all, Grant. You say you hate Socialism, more than you hate child murderers, hacking into dead girl’s phone, paedophilia, terrorism, etc…but at the same time you cheer on Christianity for using its wealth, gained from its parishioners and donations from the public, to assist those who are less fortunate-how is that not Socialist?
          Similarly, you hate Socialism, anyone who is socialist could literally save your family from a serial killer, and you’d be still better friends with the serial killer-but are happy to use Medicare and contribute to it, and don’t see the issue with that?

          You know what, Grant, I think, and this is a trait you share with MANY members of the APP, that “Socialism” isn’t a word you actually understand. You think it means “Not hating brown people”-but it actually involves a range of policies and beliefs, that you actually apparently like, while hating what they’re called.
          I’m guessing you heard the word in passing, and it’s easier for you to say “I hate Socialists” rather than “I hate anyone who disagrees with me, and non-white people, and people who don’t have my religion, and who don’t not share my religion, etc”-without bothering to check what the word coming out of your mouth actually meant. Am I wrong?

          Warrior Tom asked: “when did you last go to church? Do you go at all? ”
          I asked: “And how right wing are churches today? In your answer, please explain about how your view of all churches as right wing is not cotnradicted by the majority of Christian religions supportign welfare for the poor, and refugees. “

  4. as i gaze back upon my life and some of the stuff I have done, I think that I would prefer to spend more time with Mr.Sampsy

  5. The white & privileged?

    Try getting a job & working is how you end up ‘privileged’.

    i’ve found the harder I work the luckier I get.

    funny that.

    • Grant, do you honestly believe that everyone has an equal opportunity in Australia? Do you honestly believe that a child born to millionaire parents have the same risks and opportunities, to a child born to parents who don’t work?

      Your denial of privelege is silly and short sighted. If your parents are rich, you are born rich. That’s privelege. If you’re born in a good area, you get a better access to health, education andf work opportunities. That’s privelege.

      Apparently the solution to long term unemployment, according to you Grant, is tlel people to “Go out and get a job” and then immediatly they iwll have the same opportunities as James Murdoch. Is that right?

      How exactly does a child born into poverty get a good job, Grant? As you’ve said, you don’t think public schools are doing anything, so how do they become millionaires?

  6. JM: Churches are socialist? No mate, you can be charitable without being a socialist. In fact most church goers are right leaning and also lean towards absolutism. i’ve got plenty of relatives that are, or were clergymen, that are right wing thinkers.

    Churches are left or right? In Australia we have a thing known as separation of church & state.

    Totally irrelevant.

    Warrior Tom asked this & Warrior tom asked that…… LOL. I don’t take orders from you.

    do I go to church? None of your business. Do you go to church? None of my business.

    “You’re not being consistent at all, Grant. You say you hate Socialism, more than you hate child murderers, hacking into dead girl’s phone, paedophilia, terrorism, etc…”

    Where did I say i hate anything? Hacking a dead girl’s phone??? WT ^&%$%#$???

    If ur on drugs pal & if this is the best this bullshit blog can muster up I feel sorry for you.

    “Would you call for the end of Medicare as a member of the APP, like you’ve called for an end of all schooling you disagree with? ”

    I’d call for medicare to be means tested.

    i’d put a broom thru leftist doctrination in gov. schools ah la Campbell Newman. Couldn’t happen soon enough.

    • For as long as the right claims “christian values”, the question of whether you go to church is most relevant. I hazard that you don’t. Hypocrite.

      • You can extol ‘Christian values” without going to church.

        why do you think Anglican & Catholic private schools are so popular ( and those that can afford it are fleeing the public system?) Are you saying that all those parents are churchgoers? Bullshit. ( and according to your cooked up logic, also hypocrites.)

        Maybe they are sick to death of leftist public schools. The parents have voted with their feet. I bet you’re unhappy about this eh? LOL. You disagree with people voting with their feet pal? well suck it up, because this is a clearcut rejection of your leftism.

        “How? How can you share the wealth from the more priveliged to give to the less privelged, without being Socialist? Is’nt that just more dirty hand outs that you hate so much?”

        “Privileged” or ‘white & privileged’, is a construct of your leftist mindset, if christians chose to do charity it is because of their christian faith; not socialism. The issue here is this: they choose to give; unlike being forced to fund left wing ABC and handouts to your selected victim groups. Most people that have money ( & I re-iterate, have it because they are smart, work hard; or both.) I detest having my tax dollars wasted on lazy turds who won’t get of bed & get a job. I detest having it wasted on propaganda outfits like the ABC. I detest it being used on leftist outfits such as race Commissioners, HREOC multicultural bureacracies & the like.

        • Being a Christian and being of the left are not mutually exclusive. Not all private schools espouse far right nonsense.

          You can of course set up your own far right school. It would probably look something like the Afrikaaner schools of the 60s – little intellectual activity but a lot of bullying and racism tinged with religiosity.

        • Sorry Grant-I’m trying to get a mind around your beliefs.

          The government uses your tax dollars for anything-it’s socialist (Unless it’s the hospitals you use, or the schools you approve of).

          The Church use your donations for whatever they want-it’s not socialist (Even if they use it for the unemployed, migrants, or other people you have stated are bludgers demanding a hand out)?

          Is that right? Because by that reckoning I must be non-Socialist as I am a Christian and regular church goer. And everything I agree in also must be non-Socialist.

        • “You can extol ‘Christian values” without going to church. ”

          Hey Grant, tell us about all your great Christian values you have developed with out ever going to Church. Please, I want to hear how the word of our Lord Jesus Christ has influenced your beliefs, ideals, and thoughts.

          I mean, in particular, tell me how you practise “Love one another as I have loved you”
          Also, tell me what the line “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than a rich man to enter heaven” means to you?

          I mean, my Christian values mean I try and treat everyone equally, try and treat people how I too would like to be treated, and try and use my money and time assisting those less fortunate, not complain about my money used to give to the poor.

          “why do you think Anglican & Catholic private schools are so popular ( and those that can afford it are fleeing the public system?) ”

          Except, aren’t all private schools growing? I mean, my school Kardinia International College, was and I think still is the fastest growing school in Australia, and it definately wasn’t religious.

          And as it was a strongly multicultural school-apparently that means it is a Leftie bull shit spewing school as well according to you!

          “You disagree with people voting with their feet pal?”

          No. Do you? You seem to have a problem accepting many thinks supported by the majority of Australians (Gay marriage, free speech, the last election, multiculturalism, etc).

          “( & I re-iterate, have it because they are smart, work hard; or both.) ”

          Except many people have money not because they work hard, but because of how they were born. If oyu have rich parents, you are born rich. You don’t need to work hard to stay rich, or to survive, you have it easy to start off with.

          Compared to someone whose parents never worked-now no matter what you think of about the parents, do you think the child should be condemned to a life of poverty? Do you honestly think that a child born in poverty, whose parents have no history of working have the exact some opportunity as one of Murdoch’s children?

          Because, combining your other beliefs, you also think this child, who through no fault of its own has been born poor with parents with no experience of work, will have no access to schools (As you want public education to have no finances attributed to it-which means they will shut down), which means no more connection to work (Try findind a job when you can’t read or write, why don’t you?), and will lead to their children not having any chance either.

          I don’t think you’ve thought this through, have you?

    • Grant, if you and your fellow racist plebs had any guts you’d take the path that many Northern European right-wing extremists have taken, which is to reject Christianity altogether and turn to the Norse and Germanic gods. This is based on that Christianity is a Middle-Eastern import and a (Gasp!) Judaic construct, not to mention that Christianity is related to Islam. So, if really you’re the proud Aryan uebermensch you fancy yourself to be, then you would do all you could to reject Christianity, as it really is not part of your cultural heritage. And heck, I’d hate to but anything agree with that one as Christianity no doubt spawned in a part of the world that is not Europe and in turn superseded beliefs in Europe that could have been genuinely categorised as “European”. To cut a long story short, the first Christians were brown in colour…

    • “JM: Churches are socialist? No mate, you can be charitable without being a socialist”

      How? How can you share the wealth from the more priveliged to give to the less privelged, without being Socialist? Is’nt that just more dirty hand outs that you hate so much?

      And I repeat-please explain how Christians are right wing, in doing so, talking about how this is the case despite the majority of churches supporting asylum seeker rights.

      “Warrior Tom asked this & Warrior tom asked that…… LOL. I don’t take orders from you.”

      Not orders-just asking you about your beliefs. You seem to have a problem answering questions.

      “do I go to church? None of your business. Do you go to church? None of my business.”

      Except it is. You always talk about Christian values as something that’s important to you, I think it’s fair to see if you are a hypocrite.

      “Where did I say i hate anything? Hacking a dead girl’s phone??? WT ^&%$%#$???”

      You often state you hate socialism, you insult anyone who is any way socialist, and you support a party which I have repeatedly told you includes open and proud supporters of child murderers.
      You say that you support Murdoch more than Fairfax, despite Murdoch’s papers hacking dead girls’ phones. I offered you repeated opportunities to ask if that was okay to you-you refused to do this. SO I presumed, as all your previous comments have stated, that you do not actually have any values apart from “Lefties are bad, right wing people, even right wing paedophiles and murderers, are good!”

      “I’d call for medicare to be means tested.”

      Great-so we’d be more like America. What a great health system that is!
      And wouldn’t that be continuing the dirty dirty socialism? After all, if you oppose socialism so much, you would not want any health care that people don’t work to pay for.
      And I repeat-do you use Medicare? If you do-then you’re a hypocrite, hating Socialism except when it does good stuff for you. If you don’t, then why haven’t you answered this question despite being asked repeatedly.

      “i’d put a broom thru leftist doctrination in gov. schools ah la Campbell Newman. Couldn’t happen soon enough.”

      Except you’ve ignored a whole bunch of questions about schooling. You said you want all schools to be run not by knowledge but by the parents-everythign that is taught to be agreed upon by them.

    • BTW-Campbell Newman is’nt going in to fundamentally change the public schools in Queensland, which is what you are slightly suggestign you think should happen, to rid the schools of “leftie propoganda and indoctrination”-he’s just cutting funding in favour of Catholic and private schools.

      So….it’s not the left wing indoctrination you have a problem with, it’s poor kids getting education? You’re supporting children going to schools that can’t afford enough teachers, buildings, or textbooks to properly educate the children?

      I know you hate socialism, but I would think you didn’t want a second class scoiety-where those who can afford education can have whatever they want, but those who do not can expect a life of no-experience required jobs.

      Is the APP going to officially state their plan to cut funding to public schools, and making the poor children suffer as a result?

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