Andrew Ingsy Ings versus “slap head (sic) mine workers”

In the wake of attempts by mining companies to fill vacancies in the resources sector by employing overseas workers, Andrew “Ingsy” Ings is rather peeved that the mining companies might prefer to employ someone with skills and at least the rudimentary English knowledge he does not appear to have. So off he goes in a rant against “slap head (sic) mine workers”

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A couple of Andrew’s more sensible and thoughtful mates point out that some mine workers are “muppets and bludgers” and have fewer brain cells than the average amoeba but that doesn’t stop our Andrew. Obviously he’d feel quite at home with them.

And somehow it appears to be the Prime Minister’s fault despite the fact that the Government does not employ one single mine worker. And that 1 in 3 Australian workers do NOT want to work in the mines – that is actually the whole problem.

And what on earth are “gay generics”?

Ah well.

7 thoughts on “Andrew Ingsy Ings versus “slap head (sic) mine workers”

  1. Your right the gov doesn’t employ any mine workers But it was Gallard who signed off on allowing OS workers at Roy hill. Mines have problems filling jobs with Australians because they only want skilled workers and are not prepared to invest in training much rather leave that to the government to do. or they rather import cheap labor than pay full entitlements to an Australian worker. A bit more research needs to be done on your part.

    • Actually “Mine Worker” – YOU need to do more research. I work with the OECD, and for years now we have been studying this phenomenon and economic challenge in Australia; and we have been warning Australia now for years that if they DONT employ foreign workers to handle the mining boom, then Australia is going to miss out on “reaping the benefits” of their own resources. And we base our information on actual facts – and not just the media hype/bullsh*t you read in the Herald Sun.

      The fact of the matter is, due to the boom in mining, there are not enough skilled workers to fill these positions, you’re right (at least on that point). However, why should we (or the government) have to invest millions of dollars to train people (from public money)? The deal that has been signed with the mining conglomerates will see a trade off, with training for Australian workers; ie – for each immigrant that is able to work, the mining companies will invest money so that Australians are offered the chance to be trained in the field. However, without this deal – the mines are unable to operate effectively; and no one is willing to put the money in for the training. You cannot expect our government to “hold peoples hands” all the time, paying for them to be trained out of public money; which can be put towards much better purposes. This is all part of the “I expect a handout” ideal all too common in Australia; it’s unfair as those who are not working in the field of mining who are also forced to pay through taxes to have underqualified workers trained. With the new deal, the mining companies have agreed to put their hands in their pockets, take from their millions of dollars of profits and to actually PAY for this training themselves.

      Also, another key part of the deal is that the workers must be paid exactly the same entitlements and benefits as an Aussie worker – so again, you are wrong on the “cheap labour” part.

      Instead of always expecting the government to hold your hand and pay for everything; how can you possibly criticise a deal that will lead to more training for Australians, which will help fill the lack in skilled workers necessary to the mining sector to continue with projects. As a mining worker – I find your comments surprising. Without this deal, there is an almost certain chance that you will find yourself without a job in the very near future.

      Skills Australia recognises that prolonged shortfalls in skills capacity (in particularly with regards to Engineering) could hold back investment and productivity growth in Australia – which would have disasterous consequences. While these issues would be most apparent in the resources sector, they could also impact upon the effectiveness of other sectors such as road, rail, manufacturing, construction and infrastructure development.

      Have a read of this report – for example, which might help to explain the reasons why the importation of skilled workers is VITAL to the Aussie economy : http://www.skillsaustralia.gov.au/publications/documents/Senate-Submission-Engineers-9-March-2012.pdf

      • Referencing Engineers Australian lecture of first year engineering, for every engineer that graduates from an Australian university, including foreign students, large portions of which stay in Australia because there is so much demand, one overseas engineer is brought in and two jobs go empty.

        There are several reasons for this. Firstly, if you are smart enough to do engineering, you are smart enough to the math/economics that will allow you to get a job in the banking industry earning millions of dollars. So, this cuts out the people looking for money. Now for the the social image of engineer/science. It is not looked at as being cool, not looked at as being fun. While yes, engineering is respected, it is not glamorised like so many other carers. So this leaves just those that are not looking to make the huge bucks, and are not concerned with the glamour of a different job.

    • Exactly.

      And as for “refusing to invest” – That’s just the point – as part of this deal; they HAVE agreed to invest in training.

      Which is why I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about – if we want the mining companies to invest; then we have to enable them to operate… and as we can’t provide the skills, then we should at least allow them to source them overseas – which will then enable them to invest into Australian infrastructure, training, resources and everything else.

      I wish people would read more about it… it’s so frustrating, comment like “Mine Workers” – who mostly bases his information on the media hype generated by Murdoch’s right wing clowns. There are so many studies out there that have unequivically shown that without this investment Australia is going to suffer economically in the future. All anyone has to do is go online and research a bit – all of the documents are publically available.

      • To be fair the Government investing in training is more of a leftist move, if anything your opinion is more to the right side of the spectrum.

        I don’t necessarily disagree with your opinion but at the same time I still think training locals should take priority over what is essentially a short term fix to a shortage of labour.

        • Shmevro – I think you have misunderstood my comments in fact; perhaps go over them one more time…. What I was saying is that most people get their information from right wing leaning sources (such as the Herald Scum); who go to great lengths to highlight how we are “bringing in overseas workers” – but at the same time, conveniently forget to mention that they will also be generating a source of training and skills market for local Aussies, as the deal stipulates that mining companies must provide a “quid pro quo” in training for each foreign worker that is allowed into the sector.

          And it’s not a “short term fix” – its an urgent one. Without it, the mining sector will not be able to operate effectively, new projects will not see the light of day – and as “Studying Engineering” said just above, until engineering is valued more highly in post-secondary education in Australia, the gap between demand/supply is only getting worse. This is not something that will be fixed overnight.

          If you want locals to be trained – then the project by the current government is a sound one; as it does mean that Aussies will be given the training in appropriate skills for the sector. The money for this training isn’t going to appear out of “thin air” – there has to be some incentive for the mining industry. I really recommend you read the document/link I attached earlier; it may help you to understand.

          And no – my comments are neither right or left of the political spectrum; I only base on facts; I’m a
          statistician. 😉

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