“He could have groomed himself heaps more… and we are paying for it”

Scene – a discussion between a collection of asylum seeker haters. Mark starts off with the usual script cliches – illegal boats, failed border protection, Strayans in need blah blah blah zzzzz

Ubiquitous xenophobe Donna Jones then bravely attempts higher mathematics but runs out of steam somewhat, since she only has 20 digits .

Mark Aldridge boats

Enter Darlene Loller to raise the stakes to new heights. First of all she breathlessly informs her fellow bogots that asylum seekers have 3 to 6 wives. Wow!  And all the access as well…

Access to what? Must be great dating agencies on asylum seeker boats. And have they changed the Marriage Act this week to allow plural marriage?

Then comes the bogot favourite, the second or third-hand dodgy anecdote from some “friend” or “relative”. This one however is from TAFE and it sounds very much like the teacher was doing some piss-taking, faced as he was no doubt with a substitute class of Adelaide bogeens doing Cert I Text Messaging and who were horrified that they actually had a non-white relief teacher.

Dumb Darlene

We don’t know what the fellow looked like or where he was from but that doesn’t stop Darlene from getting so agitated at the thought of this uxorious and sartorially elegant foreign gentleman that she proposes the Government stimulate Ikea, presumably to cater for all those extranumerary wives – or maybe provide mattresses for the harem of bogeens he will no doubt ensnare in his clutches with liberal applications of Hugo Boss and Nivea for Men. Much more effective than the token squirt of Lynx on an unwashed body that no doubt passes for grooming amongst the bogeens’ everyday male suitors.

Moreover

“He could have groomed himself heaps more… and we are paying for it”

Ikea stimulated

Ikea rises to the occasion, throbbing with excitement

Someone needs to tell Wayne Swan…

Next Darls tries her hand at an analysis of the characteristics of tertiary education students and comes to the conclusion that Chinese students learn from “us” to  “perfect” the university ratings, whatever the hell that means.

At least Darls has a variation on Stop the Boats. Seems like students and Aussie cars are heading across the ocean in their thousands for the salubrious environs of Salisbury..
Dumb Darlene2

No doubt they have heard of Salisbury’s unrivalled cultural reputation, despite its residents having something called a “welfare basket”, presumably for the cheap and tasty goods they can get at the Indian market.

Dumb Darlene3

So chardy-sippers who think Adelaide stops at Rundle Mall – take note!

Oh dear…

I see dumb people

46 thoughts on ““He could have groomed himself heaps more… and we are paying for it”

  1. Actually, I’m not fluent enough in ‘stupid’ to understand everything Darlene is saying. Could we get Nick F in here to translate please?

    • I’m with you there, I’m not sure what on earth she’s babbling about, she seems to just insert words.. hello swordfish.. to make some point,, telephone.. but I’m not sure… stop schnitzel …what she’s getting at.

    • As far as I can see, and admittedly I finished my study of bogan quite early, it seems Darlene has hit upon a vast conspiracy, whereby the Government is allowing more asylum seekers in, to lower the cost of work, and to further stimulate the economy by providing work to social workers, and buying mattresses for the asylum seekers from Ikea.

      So essentially, it’s saying Swedes and Social Workers, and most especially Swedish Social workers rule the world.

      As a social worker (Though, regrettably, not a Swedish one), I can safely say…HOW DID SHE FIGURE IT OUT???!!!!! We were just about to start the last stage of our master plan of making our rule absolute. It went like this:

      1- Connect the disadvantaged and needy communities to services to assist them in empowering themselves.
      2- Have the country (Nay the WORLD!) addicted to flat packed furniture, provided at reasonable prices.
      3- Something something-probably to do with cake (A social workers secret weapon).
      4- The global autocratic caliphate of Swedish Social Workers is complete! All praise the might social worker-BORK BORK BORK!

      Well now you’ve just ruined it, Darlene. I hope you’re happy <:(.

    • Well, in comic books I know using periods as spaces is meant to signify pauses, where people have a gap to find the right word, either because they are breathless, or because of brain damage. There’s a really good series of doonesbury strips where a wounded veteran in Iraq slowly relearns to speak, shown by putting periods between all his sentences.

      Of course, how brain damaged victims of war, and people struggling for breath regularly relates to bogan conspiracy theorists-that I have no idea.

  2. I really wish people had to pass a literacy and comprehension test before being allowed to own and/or operate a computer.
    Imagine an internet free from bogot ramblings!

    *drifts off into blissful daydream*

  3. I can’t wait to use “The big question is the fact that -” in a conversation.

    These folks are beyond satire:

    “the governments love creating work, they can’t and won’t stop now”

    “no way are the Government going to stop simulating IKEA”

    “mine the ground of wealth…stop the students…stop Holdens”

    “why come here when we are so expensive to live?”

    According to Darlene, a Chinese student is pretty much the same thing as an industrial spy:

    “they come here and study how we do it … go and emulate … to our demise!!!”

    Nice.
    We shouldn’t ever let them go back. Whoever comes here, NEVER returns. Muahahahaha.

  4. There is a big difference between border security and illegal immigration matters, I have never been anti-immigration, but there many issues that need to be addressed, we simply can not afford open borders, so there fore debate is needed, we have a rather large intake in Australia, so who do we accept, is it the most in need, those with the experience to fill employment, or those who pay to jump the queue?

    There are health matters, crime issues, and humanitarian ideals to work through, I am some what humbled by my inclusion on your page, I assume I am now a bogan for looking for debate, and having been in the political arena for over a decade, it would be an out right failure if I did not try to grasp the position of the people I one day hope to represent, more so, to find a compassionate way forward.

    When it comes to people in need, I get out there and help, both here and over seas, my wife and I run a native sanctuary, we directly fund children and families in Asia, and help those in need here in Australia, including during natural disasters, so I suggest to the people here, rather than seek and have fun with the differences in our educations, help unite and bind us as sentient beings, help educate, find an answer that unites

    If you have all the answers, help me help others, open borders is not an option and never will be, so how do we police them, what should the rules be, and is the standard of living we offer others to be expected for current citizens as well?

    Equity and Compassion go hand in hand, or is that not on the anti bogan agenda?

    Mark.

    • “…who do we accept, is it the most in need, those with the experience to fill employment, or those who pay to jump the queue?”

      What queue? Please cite evidence verifying this ‘queue’.
      Do you have comment on the 80,000+ who overstay their Visas?

      “There are health matters, crime issues, and humanitarian ideals to work through, I am some what humbled by my inclusion on your page, I assume I am now a bogan for looking for debate, and having been in the political arena for over a decade, it would be an out right failure if I did not try to grasp the position of the people I one day hope to represent, more so, to find a compassionate way forward.”

      What health matters? These ones?

      https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/the-health-of-the-nation/

      Crime issues? Cite evidence to suggest that refugees are causing high levels of crime please.

      Humanitarian ideals? You just suggested that every asylum seeker comes here after ‘paying’ to ‘jump the queue’.

      Are you another dropkick hoping to start a political party with asylum seekers as your platform? Meh.

    • “we have a rather large intake in Austraila”
      WHAT ?
      Compared to where?
      I don’t know where to start with you.
      Oh, as for “having been in the political arena for over a decade”?
      I know you.
      Mate, making a fool of yourself in various Internet Forums over time doesn’t really count.
      You’re a liar and a fraud. It’s been proven time and again.
      Desist from attempting to disguise your bigotry as informed opinion.

  5. I picked up on that ‘rather large intake’ sentence (well, clause, because each paragraph is a run-on sentence that contains a jumble of clauses), too.
    Large compared to where, on a per-hectare OR per-capita basis?

    • Aldridge has represented One Nation and Family First. The guy is a cock up.

      He helps abandoned animals. That excuses him of anything he can ever say that dehumanises people from other countries.

  6. I am really not interested in answering all your questions, in particular if Liar and a fraud are being used as descriptions, let alone the word Anti in your site to label any who think differently, we are all different.

    Health issues related to the health of those seeking immigration, so they must receive health checks and support, we cant afford to dismiss boarder protection when it comes to disease for instance, as to the numbers, do we house people in tents or cardboard boxes, of course not, so we must ensure we can house and feed those whom we opt to help, how many is that?

    So we do have limits, and they are based on ensuring humanitarian issues, we couldnt take in say 1 million people next week with out housing and support services, which leads to ensuring those same services are available to all that live in this fine country.

    Should a pensioner or person with a disability receive less than a new immigrant, of course not, so Equity is paramount.

    Dont condemn me for looking for an answer, and do not call me a liar and a cheat, as I am not, I fight for those in need and will always, and that is a fact, if you think I am a bogan for all I do, and what I would like to achieve in my life, then I will wear that as a badge of honour.

    Some people Do, others do not, some stand up, others try and knock them down, find your place in life, I have chosen mine, to remain open minded to new ideas, and do the best I can to help people…..Cheers

    • “I am really not interested in answering all your questions…”

      No, your type generally isn’t.

      “Health issues related to the health of those seeking immigration, so they must receive health checks and support, we cant afford to dismiss boarder protection when it comes to disease…”

      Yes, I know what you’re on about. Did you click this link at all?

      https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/the-health-of-the-nation/

      “So we do have limits, and they are based on ensuring humanitarian issues, we couldnt take in say 1 million people next week with out housing and support services, which leads to ensuring those same services are available to all that live in this fine country.”

      Where’d you pull 1 million from?

      “Should a pensioner or person with a disability receive less than a new immigrant, of course not, so Equity is paramount.”

      A new immigrant doesn’t receive more money than a pensioner or a person with a disability. In fact, new migrants don’t always need handouts as they are generally looking to get into the workforce. Not sure why you’d say that.

      Do you think it’s fair if a new migrant is given less assistance than a pensioner or a person with a disability then?

      “I have chosen mine, to remain open minded…”

      Cite evidence?

    • “we couldnt take in say 1 million people next week with out housing and support services, which leads to ensuring those same services are available to all that live in this fine country.”

      Mark, if you want to have a serious discussion about this, why are you pulling figures out of the air? No, we couldn’t take in one million people next week, but no one is suggesting that we should. Your suggestion, however, that 16,000 is somehow too many, is entirely false.

      You’re speaking in a lot of ifs, buts and maybes, but your comments suggest that you know very little about the subject and yet would seem to think you’re fit to make comments on it as a politician.

      “Should a pensioner or person with a disability receive less than a new immigrant, of course not, so Equity is paramount.”

      That doesn’t happen either, and if you have not taken note of the government specifically making public statements to that effect, it doesn’t give you credibility. I do think you mean equality as well, not equity.

      “find your place in life, I have chosen mine, to remain open minded to new ideas, and do the best I can to help people…..”

      I don’t see how you can propose to be a genuine help when you seem to be ignorant of so much, and apparently basing your opinions on the likes of (false and previously debunked) chain emails. Nor do you help anyone by spreading the idea that people are ‘queue jumping’ an imaginary queue and taking things off Australians. That’s inciteful, Mark. You don’t help people by keeping them ignorant and stupid, and you don’t help the community, city, state or country by doing so.

      I think you need to go and actually bother to learn about things before you attempt to speak about them in the public arena, particularly if you have political aspirations.

  7. I have never represented Family first and One nation was a mistake for the right reason many years ago, I spend every spare moment and every spare cent on others, easy to prove, I have saved many lifes in Asia and fund street children through school, also easy to find, and I go by my real name, real phone numbers and real address, dont see much of that here.

    Mark Aldridge…lot 105 Taylor rd Penfield Gardens 82847482 / 0403379500 come for a drink and have a chat

    • 1. Going by your real name doesn’t grant you higher moral status.
      2. The fact that you spend money on aid doesn’t separate you from those of us who also do.

      So now that we’re on the same playing field, let’s stick to the issues. You brought up the asylum seeker debate, you want to represent the people one day – so discuss.

  8. @Mark. Do you think that the people that we do allow into the country should be processed within the community or in detention centres? Also, what is a fair and humane time frame to conduct health and security checks?

  9. we have a country that gives more rights to boat people and leaves our unemployed and homeless people out in the cold , its a fuking disgrace . Even the original people of this country are treated worse than these illeagle imigrants and the corupt government of this country alow it . A security gaurd at a detention camp was given no first aid to a burn caused by one of these boat people after a riot becauce the medics were only there to treat these scumbag boat people as in their job description . Any one that defends these scumbags is un Australian and should be charged with treason along with most of the government .

  10. Before any person enters, we need to know who and why, simple, health checks are a safety precaution, I like to help others, but like this country I am restricted by finances, why not all the antibogans, offer up a spare room, I have, help others, sell what you own for others, spend every spare minute for others, its very easy and very rewarding, try it 🙂

    I am involved in many issues every day, family court, immigration, family support, financial help, education funding, seriously great stuff, try selling the spare car and giving it away to those in need, I do, and I am a proud bogan so it seems 🙂

    • The other things you do for society are wonderful. They are not in question.

      Your knowledge and public scrutiny towards asylum seekers is in question.

      Perhaps you feel that because you act in a noble manner in regards to other avenues of your life, you’re allowed to be ignorant in this field.

    • Are you Aboriginal, Fraud?
      If not, shut up about “allowing” people in.
      And start answering the questions put to you.

  11. Mark said, “my wife and I run a native sanctuary”. Can someone please explain (oops, shades of Pauline Hanson there, I must be easily influenced tonight).. Can someone please explain what a native sanctuary is?

    Natives like Aboriginal people perhaps? Is it like Sanctuary Cove? Some of my friends may be interested in going there – or then again, some of my friend may be interested in avoiding it. Sounds a little too much like a mission to me, but then I’m guessing Mark is a Christian, so perhaps that’s what it is after all.

    • Oh my, a Buddhist who cannot see that a person seeking asylum legally by coming to Australia by boat, in line with the refugee convention, is not actually a queue jumper.

      The convention we signed states there will be no penalties imposed on refugees for illegal entry if they come directly from a territory where their life or freedom is under threat. That is precisely what asylum seekers who are subsequently accepted as refugees are doing. 85 – 90% of asylum seekers arriving by boat are subsequently found to be genuine refugees. They have come from their countries of origin through various countries that are not signatories to the refugee convention and they are not protected by law in those countries. They are open to being sent back to their deaths if they stay there. They are open to corruption of officials, imprisonment and further traumatisation from assaults, rapes and starvation. Most of them are people who were initially traumatised by wars that we are involved in and we are creating part of their risk.

      So. Why are you calling them queue jumpers? Cant you see that they are not queue jumpers, but are in fact incredibly vulnerable people, desperately in need of our support?

      Not very Buddhist of you to be so closed minded?

      • The asylum shoppers came through up to five different countries; which extinguishes the garbage you are quoting and australias commitment to the protocols re refugee/asylum shoppers. There is not a single boat coming from afghaninsane (not 1). They fly to malaysia pay for boat, dump their passports and try to register in Indonesia with unhcr. Every country north of darwin does not accept refugees, asylum shoppers as citizens. They are right to blame australia for their countries becoming transit points. Now the indonesians place the asylum shoppers in Bali, Lombok, West Timor guess its the closest to our maritime border. They do not want them even though they are muslim, due to the medievil interpretations they have of islam. As for War most of them deserted from the afghan national army (ANA), Police and Taliban. The genuine ones in the UNHCR camps in Pakinsane should be priority not someone who has paid 15 grand to come here. A clear understanding of the subject would enable you and some of the leftards here to comprehend the realities.

        • “The asylum shoppers came through up to five different countries; ”

          In all of those countries, not a single one has signed the refugee convention. Which means any asylum seeker could be deported without warning to their home country, and have no work rights. How exactly are you meant to live if you could be deported at any moment, and have no work rights?

          “As for War most of them deserted from the afghan national army (ANA), Police and Taliban. ”

          Source for this. Source for any of this.

          “The genuine ones in the UNHCR camps in Pakinsane should be priority not someone who has paid 15 grand to come here.”

          Absolutely-we shouldn’t be punsihing those in the refugee camps. Which is why I believe the Australian government should de-link the asylum seeker and refugee intake numbers. We are, after all, the only country that does it, despite having one of the lowest number of asylum seekers arrive on our shores.
          Surely you’d agree with me to delink the numbers-so that each asylum seeker arriving doesn’t mean one less refugee? That is, after all, if you actually care about refugees, and not just about hating Muslims.

    • Mark you failed to answer a couple of questions that will help all us get a better understanding of where you really stand on asylum seekers, so I will put them to you again.

      1. Do you support mandatory detention for Asylum seekers or would you prefer to see their claims processed while giving them a chance to live within the community?

      2. What is a reasonable and humane time frame to conduct security and health checks? 1 month, 2 months, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years?

      I will cut you off at the pass and suggest that there will be a very small minority that it may be difficult to ascertain their security risk but I am talking about the vast majority where that is not the case.

    • Um, “Buddhist by nature”… Really? You do realise that the Dalai Lama is a refugee living in exile? You do also realise that the Dalai Lama is at the forefront of refugee advocacy?

      But of course, that’s the Dalai Lama not some ‘illegal boat person’ right?

      Fail whale!

  12. Never once have I said or inferred that those seeking asylum are not welcome, never once, I question the system as it stands to be a failure, then open debate to what may be the best way forward, yet no answers here either, just attacks on my question, closed mind I do not have or I would not ask the questions in the first place.

    If you had travelled extensivly to help those in need, you would realise most can not even save a sick child as they have no money, queue jumpers as you call them are desperate people, some have nothing, some are wealthy, the genuinely desperate people have no money, so cant jump ahead, they are the people I support, the others deserve scrutiny,

    So many desperate people, and so few avenues of support, so I question and ask for debate to ascertain an educated way forward, yet you condemn the question, with out putting forward an answer, sad

  13. Not me calling people queue jumpers, you are the one that did that. Why would I not react in defence of people when you are only seeing them as queue jumpers? Having money or not does not change the risk people are at in their countries of origin. All it does is to give them an opportunity to save their lives. Anyone would do it. I know I would if it were my family at risk.

    Why are we not working with the countries the poor people are stuck in to expedite their processes? Why are we not simply taking people short-term to process them and then sending them world-wide for resettlement, if we can’t afford to take them all in right now?

    You are worried about 16000 people and that is a very small drop in a very large ocean. I agree that the Gillard government policies have failed refugees, but that is not due to poor border protection, it is due to inadequate resources to process their claims in a reasonalbe time period. It is due to not processing them in the community after their initial health and security checks are carried out. That is the way it works in all of the UK, Europe and Canada. At least Labor are not openly practising refoulement at sea, as Tony Abbott has promised his government will do. Mind you, Labor is practicing refoulement with Afghan refugees. What we are doing is shameful on the world stage. We are breaching our international responsibilities and the world is aware of it and is judging us harshly – and rightly so.

    Your argument appears to be that we are taking too many “queue jumpers” at the expense of “Aussie citizens are also at need”. You are failing to recognise that we can raise our intake of refugees much higher than the current rate, and also raise funding for battler Aussies. They are not mutually exclusive.

    Perhaps we could save some money by not going to fight in foreign wars that don’t concern us?

  14. ‘stop the Holdens and we are in a bad way’ dam right those bigger sedans can be hard to push if the engine fails!!

    my old man’s Chrysler was the worst though… made out of metal, not plastic and I can tell you this one time it conked out on O’Halloran hill I was out of options big time!

    like my grandpah used to say ‘things are crook in talleyrook’! miss yer grandpah 🙂

  15. My original pose that started this debate, was a cut and paste from a Liberal party statement, then my input was the question, how many and who, which was not my position, but a question to the community, I do not know the answers, so seek enlightenment.

    We must maintain security, once a criteria is met, then community access is important, to the process, as to how many, whom and when, that I do not know, I do however demand fair and timely processing, and adequate housing and access to social services, and those expectations flow on to all who reside in this country.

    From what I do know, detention goes on longer than it should, hampered by the fact many AS, are not honest about their country of origin and their details, and dishonesty scares me, when we as a compassionate society are well aware of how many good people are in need in this world.

    Most of the problems arise from lack of support in their own countries with foreign aid some what becoming taking donated money from the poor of rich countries and giving it to the rich of poor countries, I have witnessed with my own eyes aid ending up in the wrong pockets.

    While trekking to poor villages with donations, and trying to set up an orphanage, I am expected to line the pockets of officials, so I believe foreign aid needs an overhaul, just as I believe most of the issues in this world are caused by intervention by morons like those who run the US, boats are not even a scratch in the ocean when we consider the issue as a whole.

    I post questions to help me paint a picture of where people are coming from, so I can counter that with ideals for the way forward, yet still have no idea,

    In our own country I see people in need, victims of abuse, veterans suffering, pensioners who do it hard, yet while taking items and food to the poorest places on earth, I meet happy people, I have met asylum seekers who settle here well and are so happy, and others who want more that they may deserve, there is no simple answers, and education on this matter is flawed by false and misleading information.

    Racism is fed by bullshit and misinformation, so before I write any article I try and find a level head, hence my occasional posts on the topic, which it appears you believe concretes my position, and it does not

    • Mark, you need to be very aware of what you say. Once your words are out there in the public domain, you can’t take them back. The above post is a good example of that. As a public figure, you need to be very aware of your words being used against you. If you are actually as well-meaning as you say you are, you are being naive.

      If you don’t get this stuff right, people will crucify you because politics is dog-eat-dog. That’s purely an observation on my part.

    • Oh for fucks sake, do you actually read your own shit? You keep maintaining this elevated position for yourself then peppering your posts with made up shit as a basis for your concern.
      I call bullshit on your claim of compassion.

  16. LOL, I am an every day Aussie who cares about the people and the planet, and really do not care if you do not like me or my ideals, I do what I do because it is important to me, I stand up and fight for what I believe, I work 7 days and most nights, to ensure I can help others, with every thing I am, we will never all agree, as we are at different stages in our education.

    I risked every think I own to fight a dodgy election, I run and fund a sanctuary, I want for us as a nation to share our good fortune, and along the way I help any I can, even anti bogans, it appears the fact I tried to start some debate on one topic, that you have all drawn conclusions as to where I stand, and you are wrong, if you all get of on attacking those who hold a different stance, you offer nothing to initiating change.

    This week, I helped save 2 animals, helped a young mother in the family court, exposed a corrupt solicitor who will now be prosecuted, and met with people to help them find funding for disabled education programs, as well as working 10 hour days to pay for it all.

    On Monday I went into bat for an asylum seeker who is to be sent back to a dangerous situation, and I am working with her to ensure she is kept safe, all based on over zealous government paper work, and you people attack who I am, I like what I do and who I am becoming, and every mistake I make is one to learn from.

    Spend your days searching for people to belittle, I will spend my days looking for people to help and to increase me educations, last post from me, what every you do, do not vote for me when next I run as a candidate to strengthen my voice, stick to party politics, is suits the agenda here.

    Love and best wishes

    Markj

    • Here we go again up on your pedestal, proclaiming your moral right to make comments like,

      “we simply can not afford open borders, so there fore debate is needed, we have a rather large intake in Australia, so who do we accept, is it the most in need, those with the experience to fill employment, or those who pay to jump the queue?”

      We don’t have open borders, we don’t have a large intake of migrants or asylum seekers (compared to most countries) and there is no “queue”
      You make up bull shit then call for a debate aka also known as being full of shit.

      And on and on you go making up shit about health concerns with asylum seekers, pensioners going without because of asylum seekers, plans to bring in millions of asylum seekers.

      If you would like to really inform yourself try reading this
      http://www.ombudsman.gov.au/files/April_2011_A_fair_deal_for_asylum-seekers.pdf
      Thats from the Commonwealth ombudsman, not the party political crap you seem to draw your ‘facts’ from.
      You might not agree with everything the Ombudsman has to say, but at least you would expose yourself to a few facts.

      Finally all the wonderful heart warming actions you undertook this week (and who knows you might even be telling the truth) do not excuse you singling out vunerable groups and subjecting them to lie filled bullshit.

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