Six Bogans Wear Burqas to, um… Prove A Point

Some pockets of bogot lowlife trash are celebrating tonight after firmly believing that their burqa stunt in Sydney has proved a point – that people just don’t know who is under a burqa.

Well no shit.

We’ve been through this burqa conversation a million times, but here goes again – this time we’ll keep it brief:

* If balaclavas have been banned in banks, how come bank robbers still choose to wear them while robbing banks?

* If burqas can hide bombs, how come there have been no burqa related suicide bomb attempts or successes in Australia, ever?

* If cargo pants can hide deadly weapons, how come these aren’t banned?

* If burqas oppress women, how does limiting their freedom to dress liberate them?

* If a woman is forced to wear a burqa by her oppressive husband, how is it liberating for them to ban burqas in public? Wouldn’t that then confine those women to stay inside their homes?

* If the statistical majority of sexual assaults are committed by those known to the victim, what’s the point of wearing a burqa to sexually assault someone?

* If the main factor in physical abuse and domestic violence is alcohol, how come we are blaming Muslims who don’t drink alcohol, and women who wear burqas, who generally don’t go into pubs or liquor stores?

* If wearing the burqa supposedly hides one away from society, how come they stand out in a crowd? Surely if a person wanted to blend into a crowd or secretly hide their identity they’d wear some dark glasses, a hat, and maybe some form of cosmetic hindrance.

* If terrorism is such a massive threat in our country that we need to be scared about women wearing burqas, how come we aren’t scared of dying of heart failure, drink driving, road accidents, lung cancer or any of the other major killers?

* If terrorism performed by women wearing burqas is such a threat, how come I have more chance of being killed by being struck by lightning (odds: 40,000 : 1)?

* If we are concerned about women wearing burqas hiding out in female changerooms, how come we never see them in female changerooms? Surely we’d notice them sitting there, doing nothing.

* If we are so concerned about women wearing burqas and watching women at the beach, how come we haven’t paid homage to the trillions of gigabytes worth of porn freely accessible on the Internet?

Anyways, back to the dropkicks that took the day off ‘work’ to wear burqas around the city of Sydney. Let’s see what else they proved today!

1. When walking through the city wearing clothes meant to conceal – partying and forming a conga line won’t convince many people to accept your claims that you could be hiding a nuclear weapon.

2. When you’re allowed to buy a drink at the pub, it’s not your attire that’s being judged, but your behaviour. By proving that service will still continue in a true blue Aussie pub, these burqa clad clowns proved that most Australians don’t really care about the burqa issue. What we didn’t see here was how pub staff would have reacted if the burqa wearers were intoxicated. They probably would have reacted in the same way as if any other member of the general public was intoxicated, and asked them to leave.

3. When six idiots ponce into a public bar wearing burqas asking for alcohol, it is proven that the person behind the bar safely assumes that it’s merely a dress-up piss-take camera-stunt, as devout Muslims don’t generally drink alcohol.

4. When you try to suppress a freedom in order to promote freedom, you prove yourself to be as impotent as the man who started a war against an ideology (War on Terror?). By wearing a mask while following regular laws, you’ve proven that your identity doesn’t matter until such time as you disobey the law.

5. When six dopes wander the streets in dress up with a cameraman right next to them the whole time, it is now proven that anyone who witnesses this spectacle will assume that it’s merely an offensive joke.

Enter burqa fuck-up no.1, Nicholas Folkes + offended Arabic men:

Nicholas Hunter Folkes is the son of a Russian refugee, and the brother of fellow minion Vera Kolesnikoff, and he is a racist. He represents a ‘political party’ that over 98% of Australians either haven’t heard of, or don’t like. He’s a racist, but he thinks his actions and words are an integral part of what will get this country out of ‘trouble’.

(Folkes discussing his love for the White Australia policy.)

(Folkes choking on his own shit.)

(Folkes being smirked and stared at by an audience of people with IQs higher than his miserable 20.)

Here’s Folkes at one of his previous miserable fail-rallies:

And here are some of the things he’s publicly said over the past few years:

Enter burqa-bozo no.2, Sergio Redegalli.

This is Sergio’s second appearance in the burqa. His first appearance was when he donned the burqa to enter a ladies toilet, once again trying to ‘prove a point’. Was he noticed? Probably. Did he get a look at women urinating? As much as he desperately wanted to, it’s pretty clear that unless he managed to burqa-stealth his way into an actual cubicle, all he saw were closed doors and ‘engaged’ signs.

Enter niqab-nobody no.3, ‘Betty’ – Diane Leigh Renard.

Just like her Facebook profiles, Betty chooses anonymity for this 7 News interview. Oh well, she’ll be dead soon anyway – she looks like she’s about 90. Here’s some of Betty’s wonderful design work:

And here’s her hideous face: (Note the wart next to the left eye)… One has to wonder – does she have a poison apple in her basket?

The other three failed to get any airtime, so have remained as completely irrelevant as they were when they first headed out the door this morning.

So there you have it. Three over-the-hill nobodies, completely phobic about the less than 0.2% of our population that actually cover their faces. Not one of them will come to our blog, so here are the questions none of them can answer, one last time:

* If balaclavas have been banned in banks, how come bank robbers still choose to wear them while robbing banks?

* If burqas can hide bombs, how come there have been no burqa related suicide bomb attempts or successes in Australia, ever?

* If cargo pants can hide deadly weapons, how come these aren’t banned?

* If burqas oppress women, how does limiting their freedom to dress liberate them?

* If a woman is forced to wear a burqa by her oppressive husband, how is it liberating for them to ban burqas in public? Wouldn’t that then confine those women to stay inside their homes?

* If the statistical majority of sexual assaults are committed by those known to the victim, what’s the point of wearing a burqa to sexually assault someone?

* If the main factor in physical abuse and domestic violence is alcohol, how come we are blaming Muslims who don’t drink alcohol, and women who wear burqas, who generally don’t go into pubs or liquor stores?

* If wearing the burqa supposedly hides one away from society, how come they stand out in a crowd? Surely if a person wanted to blend into a crowd or secretly hide their identity they’d wear some dark glasses, a hat, and maybe some form of cosmetic hindrance.

* If terrorism is such a massive threat in our country that we need to be scared about women wearing burqas, how come we aren’t scared of dying of heart failure, drink driving, road accidents, lung cancer or any of the other major killers?

* If terrorism performed by women wearing burqas is such a threat, how come I have more chance of being killed by being struck by lightning (odds: 40,000 : 1)?

* If we are concerned about women wearing burqas hiding out in female changerooms, how come we never see them in female changerooms? Surely we’d notice them sitting there, doing nothing.

* If we are so concerned about women wearing burqas and watching women at the beach, how come we haven’t paid homage to the trillions of gigabytes worth of porn freely accessible on the Internet?

460 thoughts on “Six Bogans Wear Burqas to, um… Prove A Point

  1. Idiots. The only point they’ve proven (again; I’ve forgotten how many times now) is that they have the mental capacity of a wet lettuce. Their ‘argument’ (even that’s giving them too much credit) is so flawed and full of holes it puts a block of Swiss cheese to shame.

  2. Here’s a good litmus test: does what other people wear affect you in any way? No? OK, then shut the fuck up you miserable cunts and live your own life, which I hope you very much enjoy.

  3. Why would you buy art from a Newtown based Glass Artist Sergio who admitted on radio, he worn a Burqa in a women toilet because he wants to prove a point that he is a racist idiot who loves to break the law?

    Which is why The Art Community is being told, of Serigo and his actions. You lose money so f**ken what, you started it Serigo.

    As for Marg or what ever name she can think (LOL) of, I guess her Federal Police son is keeping watch on herself, her fellow racists and their illegal activities?

  4. This… “Group”, and I use the term extremely loosely, is so far beyond ridiculous, that I can’t take it anymore. The simulated intelligence you ‘ejaculate’ deep into the inboxes of other plastic-intellectuals, belies your true understanding of all bigoted.
    Before I begin I must note as much as I would take the upmost joy in obliterating this article, piece-by-Marxist-piece, I unfortunately do not have the time as I have actually pulled my car over to the side of the road simply because I cannot, I will not sit quietly in the background of this worthless site and be silently privy to anymore of this nonsensical Socialist hypocrisy you spew from your site. 
    I originally joined this “Anti-Bogot” nonsense, against my clearly better judgement, simply out of curiosity, and out of the hope of having an open minded laugh. Which I have. Although the expense to which these laughs have been had, unfortunately fall on the shoulders of you, and your forums members. 
    The collective aptitudes of said members reeks of pseudo-genius. 

    Due to my current time limitation, I will simply touch on but a few of mindmadeup’s rebuttals. 

    Let’s begin with:
    * ‘If balaclavas have been banned in banks, how come bank robbers still choose to wear them while robbing banks?’
    Hmmm… Good question lad! How come bank robbers do still choose to wear them mid-felony? I believe the answer to that is, because they are committing a crime you imbecile! Haha because  they are using it to assist in evading identification, as anyone in a burqa or niqab do. 
    While I was not aware people who would need to query such an idiotic law existed, I respect your attempt to use it. So for the purpose of showing you how stupid your attempt at earning an ‘Oooh yeah! He’s right! What a smart person mindmadeup is!’, here’s my answer: A balaclava or helmet hide one’s face from view, thus hindering identification and escaping punishment for their crimes. A burqa or niqab ultimately achieve the same result. So why is that not a reasonable justification? Why do you feel the need to post such a ridiculous rhetoricalesque argument? My ex- fiancée, from an Islamic background herself, noted the other day:
     ‘originally, they were used for 2 reasons, one, to keep the harsh Middle Eastern heat off them, and two, to aid in the prevention of unwanted adulterous advances & sexual assaults by concealing ones age and appearance’
    Now, if the main point of design is to conceal both age, and appearance, is this not an unfair advantage in this post-9/11 security conscious world we now find ourselves in? I think so.

    * ‘If burqas can hide bombs, how come there have been no burqa related suicide bomb attempts or successes in Australia, ever?’
    Again, a simpletons dilemma if ever there was one. ‘If blowing up Prime Minster Dillard with a suicide bomb is illegal, why have there been no no Dillard related suicide bomb attempts or successes in Australia, ever?’ 
    Explains itself doofus.

    * ‘if terrorism performed by women wearing burqas is such a threat, how come I have more chance of being killed by being struck by lightning (odds: 40,000 : 1)?’
    My God… He’s a bright one isn’t he?? 
    You see, this right here is becoming the shit stain on the title “Leftist”. You were once a de rigueur. Any political or social collective has the prospective ability to achieve dictatorship, that is why a antithetical opposition is obligatory. But to my regret, I loathe the way it has evolved into a collective of holier than thou, self-hating, bleeding heart, argumentative extremists.

    Hypocrisy:
    the act or state of pretending to be better than one is…
    You all publicly and incessantly attack your fellow Australians on this site, simply because they wish to express their thoughts and opinions, and yes, single out and attack certain groups and individuals. Let me ask you… 
    Is that not what you are doing? 
    Aren’t the rights of the individual, the right to do, the right to speak, without oppression, the foundation on which you (allegedly) stand for? 
    Or does that only apply to non-whites & non-Australian’s? 
    ‘Feel free to say & do as you see fit without fear of reprisal (as long as you’re not Anglo-Saxon or Pro-assimilation)’
    You consider yourselves “better people”  for defending someone in some other country somewhere’s right to do something somehow in some way that will never impact on you whatsoever, gathering together online to ridicule and poke fun at a fellow Australian in the process, while hiding behind your bio-degradable-recycable-carbon-neutral computer before gathering in the quad to discuss the ‘positive outcomes of Globalisation through the protection of Australian native swamp moss via the sale of UN marketed carbon off-sets’, before retreating for a quick match of hacky sack before attending your final Social science tutorial for the day. I think I just coined a new phrase… Elitist losers
    You call me a Bogot… Well I call you faggot.

    Oh so sincerely,
    Matty G.
    pennanthillstattoo@gmail.com

    • *” ‘If balaclavas have been banned in banks, how come bank robbers still choose to wear them while robbing banks?’
      Hmmm… Good question lad! How come bank robbers do still choose to wear them mid-felony? I believe the answer to that is, because they are committing a crime you imbecile! Haha because they are using it to assist in evading identification, as anyone in a burqa or niqab do.

      Not too smart, Matty. A ban on burqas will not prevent people using them if they want to commit a crime. Agree? So,

      1. Why would you choose a burqa instead of a balaclava?
      2. How many robberies/felonies have been committed in Australia in the past 220 years by people wearing burqas? Answer – none (two burqa-RELATED)
      3. If a person wears a burqa, but does not commit a crime – why do they need to be identified?

      “Again, a simpletons dilemma if ever there was one. ‘If blowing up Prime Minster Dillard with a suicide bomb is illegal, why have there been no no Dillard related suicide bomb attempts or successes in Australia, ever?’
      Explains itself doofus.”

      Not too smart, Matty. Much of the concern about the burqa (well-documented at this website I might add) is that because it is such a loose fitting garment there is a possibility that Muslim women are hiding bombs underneath, whereas a woman wearing a bikini couldn’t.

      “* ‘if terrorism performed by women wearing burqas is such a threat, how come I have more chance of being killed by being struck by lightning (odds: 40,000 : 1)?’
      My God… He’s a bright one isn’t he??
      You see, this right here is becoming the shit stain on the title “Leftist”. You were once a de rigueur. Any political or social collective has the prospective ability to achieve dictatorship, that is why a antithetical opposition is obligatory. But to my regret, I loathe the way it has evolved into a collective of holier than thou, self-hating, bleeding heart, argumentative extremists.”

      You failed to answer the question. If being against terrorism is one of the main reasons behind wanting to ban the burqa, shouldn’t we at least have some sort of precedence of terrorist activity in this country? When the actual threat of being killed by an act of terrorism, specifically performed by a Muslim wearing a burqa is so incredibly low, zero, in fact, then why are we using such a reason to justify the banning of the garment?

      “the act or state of pretending to be better than one is…
      You all publicly and incessantly attack your fellow Australians on this site, simply because they wish to express their thoughts and opinions, and yes, single out and attack certain groups and individuals. Let me ask you…
      Is that not what you are doing?
      Aren’t the rights of the individual, the right to do, the right to speak, without oppression, the foundation on which you (allegedly) stand for? “

      Exactly! Thank you! Finally, a shining light somewhere within your lifeless head! It is our right to criticise people based on their discrimination. However, criticising a person based on their religion, race, gender, sexuality or disability is actually against Australian laws.

      The rest of your post was simply full of you crying about how you’re a poor uneducated sap and people who generally destroy you in the intellect stakes are (surprise, surprise) much smarter and more successful than you. Thanks for throwing a bit of homophobia into your rant – it proves just another one of our consistently made points.

      Now, get yourself back to drawing on people’s arse cheeks you piece of shit tattoo professional.

      • “Exactly! Thank you! Finally, a shining light somewhere within your lifeless head! It is our right to criticise people based on their discrimination. However, criticising a person based on their religion, race, gender, sexuality or disability is actually against Australian laws.”

        This isn’t exactly true. You tend to criticise and abuse anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Irrespective of whether they are being racist or sexist!

        “Fuck you GAMA you piece of lowlife shit.”

        “It’s a combination a foul mouth AND an ability to argue rationally. Apparently the two cant co-exist, but I’m proof mofo.”

        “Answer the question fuckkkkkkkhead.”

        “ Boo fucking hoo. Have a look at yourself you piece of shit. You’re the only one having a cry. Fuck right off.”

        https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2012/03/25/the-australian-defense-force-continues-to-produce-racist-scum-of-the-earth/
        Just to show a few incidences!

        • Listen here fuckhead, if you can find one instance of where you’ve been abused on the basis of religion, gender, race, sexuality or disability, then we’ll be at your mercy.

          You are criticised because of your constant bitching. This all started because you felt that you needed to support the ongoing objectification of grid girls. From that point on, you’ve gone through with a fine tooth comb every single post and come to conclusions that hardly any of our readership has agreed with.

          We will continue to criticise anyone who doesn’t agree with us as it is our blog. Don’t like it? You know where the door is.

        • You really don’t like anyone pointing out your flaws and contradictions, do you?

          “It is our right to criticize people based on their discrimination.”

          The truth is you are just an abusive little loud mouth that has never had cause to abuse me on my discrimination so you abuse me when I point out your obvious faults. It makes you look pretty damn stupid actually and it’s always guaranteed to get a juvenile response, just look at the above post. It’s fairly obvious that the reaction is from only one MMU because other non-verbally abusive posts have content and intelligence behind them. You on the other hand are a, know it all, tosser who thinks their shit don’t stink.
          The first time I actually disagreed with this site was in a post about the carbon tax, which the administrators didn’t have the courage to leave up. That was long before my comments about the Grid Girl so do your research there Sonny! In actual fact there are many posts when I actually have agreed with you, including this one but I don’t see the point in letting you just go like you are omnipotent!
          How can you expect everyone to just agree with everything you say and expect to achieve anything? Your presumption that you’re always right just shows how god damn narrowed minded you are. This is a democracy, people will have different views and that doesn’t give you the right to be a foul mouthed ass because they disagree with you. You also have no chance of actually changing anybody’s point of view with the way you carry on so what is it that you are actually trying to achieve?
          To use your words, “if you don’t want people to know what you think, don’t put them in the public arena.” You most likely will edit this post or not show it at all just to suit your arguement. Censorship, the tool of the dictator and you sure know how to use it!

        • “The truth is you are just an abusive little loud mouth that has never had cause to abuse me on my discrimination so you abuse me when I point out your obvious faults.”

          So you’re allowed to criticise but not expect it in return. Logic fail.

          “How can you expect everyone to just agree with everything you say and expect to achieve anything?”

          This site doesn’t claim to own the higher moral ground, nor does it aim to gather everyone into a circle to sing Kumbaya. It serves to be an illustrative journey into discrimination in Australia. The authors all have fairly similar beliefs and opinions, so any time someone gets all keyboard-happy and criticises something we say or post, then we all return the favour.

          “Your presumption that you’re always right just shows how god damn narrowed minded you are.”

          Don’t you have the exact same presumption? Fuck you’re thick. Just because you don’t swear doesn’t mean you’re automatically correct, nor does it mean that you’re not narrow-minded.

          “[blah blah blah]…doesn’t give you the right to be a foul mouthed ass because they disagree with you.”

          Fuck you. Owning this blog gives TAB authors the right to use swear words. As mentioned before – don’t like it? Fuck off.

          “You also have no chance of actually changing anybody’s point of view with the way you carry on so what is it that you are actually trying to achieve?”

          We have on many occasions stated that what we do won’t change the minds of those that discriminate. Read the ‘About Us’ part to find out what we’re trying to achieve, then think about whether we are achieving or not.

          “You most likely will edit this post or not show it at all just to suit your arguement.”

          It’s spelled ‘argument’. Later fuckhead.

        • Here you go, I was actually wrong! I thought you were actually trying to make Australia a better place by trying to show people that racism and discrimination are unacceptable. Nope it’s just a he said / she said little website that has no actual relevance.

          I will at least give aussie pride Nick something over you then, he goes on national TV and states what he’s about. You on the other hand go on and pretend you are trying to make a difference and are relevant.

          “This site doesn’t claim to own the higher moral ground”.

          You have certainly been trying to make everyone believe the exact opposite.

          “Logic fail”

        • “I thought you were actually trying to make Australia a better place by trying to show people that racism and discrimination are unacceptable.”

          By highlighting that discrimination is real, and significant with real life consequences for both perpetrators and victims, we are showing people that it is unacceptable.

          Disagree?

          “Nope it’s just a he said / she said little website that has no actual relevance.”

          You’re just pissed off that we bite back and argue with you when you drop your whingey two cents in.

          ““This site doesn’t claim to own the higher moral ground”.
          You have certainly been trying to make everyone believe the exact opposite.”

          We wouldn’t describe what we do at this website as something that is positive, or something that will turn racist fuckwits into decent human beings. Therefore we don’t prance around making a song and dance about ‘making a difference’. If you don’t know what this website is about by now, you’ll never understand. If you think we should write a song and buy an ad in the paper telling the world about how wonderful our website is, then you’re thicker than first imagined.

          Opposing discrimination is naturally the higher ground, morally – regardless of how many swear words are used, and regardless of how many discriminators we put shit on.

          Disagree?

        • Again, obviously a different MMU because your arguement is succinct.

          “By highlighting that discrimination is real, and significant with real life consequences for both perpetrators and victims, we are showing people that it is unacceptable.”

          Agreed. Some of you have a much better and meaningful way of doing it.

          “Opposing discrimination is naturally the higher ground, morally – regardless of how many swear words are used, and regardless of how many discriminators we put shit on.”

          Again agreed but I don’t understand why one of you would deny that.

          if you think i’m whinging you are seriously misjudging me, I am enjoying myself immensely!

        • Most whingers do enjoy themselves. If only closed minds came with closed mouths!

          Same admin here, same argument. You’re still the same annoying dope.

        • Most people who are complaining or whinging are generally not having a good time. I, on the other hand, find your self appreciating rambles hilarious!
          “Closed mind”! Now that’s fuckin’ funny!

        • GAMA, seriously man. I’ve gone in to bat for you on occasion but this continuous nit-picking is not getting anyone anywhere, it just leads to me getting an RSI in my scrolling finger.

          If you think that this type of blog can be done in a different and somehow improved way, go on and set one up. There are plenty of blog hosting sites and they’re all very easy to use.

          At this point you’re not really doing anything but bickering at every opportunity with just one person. If it means that much to you, be the change, and make your own blog. You can even have grid girls if it means that much to you.

        • I have to agree with Cara here.

          GAMA, you’re becoming the Scott Pengelly of the blog world. Getting irate and smashing the keyboard because TAB won’t change to fit your narrow ideal of what an anti-racism blog should be.

          Let go and embrace diversity before you become a dirty old Facebook stalker.

      • Hahaha revise your work mindmadeup, your responses unbelievably proved my point about this group. You’re as bad as the people you criticise. Your question ‘what would stop someone wearing a burqa or niqab when robbing a bank?’ the answer is, absolutely nothing. Although. If they were banned, then it would be a pretty clear sign that something illegal is going on. Pretty simple chump.

        And no you fucken dork, I do not complain or cry in the rare event there is somebody more knowledgable than I. Nor do I publicly humiliate the majority that aren’t. In fact, in the rare event I just mentioned, ‘fighting back the tears’, I listen and respect and hope to learn from their superior knowledge & intellect.
        As you should seriously do with me.

        Anonymity is a blessing for twits such as yourself. Using your little brothers dexamphetamine to stay up all night surfing Facebook for people born west of Balmain and Broadway to screenshot in the attempt of some sort of ridicule. What I find extremely amusing, is nobody on this site will dare comment on the Facebook posts you attack so wholeheartedly, No no no, that could chance upon your face being smashed in. Instead you take the cowardly approach of silently sniping a screenshot, re-post on your private blog, and then fire a barrage of derogatory comments at them. The fact that you actually responded to my comment without creating a fake profile to do it, or print screening it and re-posting elsewhere to be the “big tough computer commie” has actually sent a twinkle of hope down my spine! ‘Perhaps he’s not the self-loathing pussy “Australian” that I previously concluded?’ but then I read the final paragraphs (Tattooing people’s ass cheeks? More successful? I think not) and remembered that I actually am a real life big tough guy, who’s young, successful and with a list of chicks I’ve fucked as long as my suitably, similarly impressive cock. You no doubt wish you were just like me every minute of every day, and to try and best my iQ would force you no option but to gift yourself with a well deserved dirt nap.

        • Your question ‘what would stop someone wearing a burqa or niqab when robbing a bank?’ the answer is, absolutely nothing

          So should we ban hoodies, traditional nuns’ garments, welders’ facemasks, surgical masks? Why is the bogot outrage confined to the so-called “burqa”? Oh that’s right it’s about Islam innit?

          Using your little brothers dexamphetamine to stay up all night…

          Sorry I don’t have any brothers and I don’t stay up all night. Must be an admin I don’t know.

          …surfing Facebook for people born west of Balmain and Broadway

          Umm…you mean like your beloved Nicky of Rozelle?

          What I find extremely amusing, is nobody on this site will dare comment on the Facebook posts you attack so wholeheartedly,…

          Our people get banned by your lot. And there is no “debate”. Someone is either racist/bigoted or they are not.

          I actually am a real life big tough guy, who’s young, successful and with a list of chicks I’ve fucked as long as my suitably, similarly impressive cock

          So when the plumbing inevitably loses its mojo you will need to develop a personality.

        • “What I find extremely amusing, is nobody on this site will dare comment on the Facebook posts you attack so wholeheartedly, No no no, that could chance upon your face being smashed in. Instead you take the cowardly approach of silently sniping a screenshot, re-post on your private blog, and then fire a barrage of derogatory comments at them.”

          I post directly in response to these people on Facebook. They argue back for a while, then when they systematically have their ‘theories’ thoroughly rebuked by factual evidence, they first turn to attempts at instulting me with sexual degradation, and then if I laugh that off as the stupidity that it is, I get banned and all my posts disappear.

          A lot of people who read this page go into bat for their beliefs, but the bogot does not allow debate because it cannot win. Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

        • Matty thank you for proving you are complete idiot.

          People from here do comment on Facebook rants from racists who choose to use fake names in here and in Facebook as they are cowards as they know they WELL be charged with many crimes, this is not a private blog this blog is is the public arena so losers like you can lose with your shit based on emotion, Paranoid personality disorder and not FACTS.

          So why don’t you stick your head up your own arse and those of your fellow racists and cowards to see how full of shit you are.

        • “Your question ‘what would stop someone wearing a burqa or niqab when robbing a bank?’ the answer is, absolutely nothing. Although. If they were banned, then it would be a pretty clear sign that something illegal is going on. Pretty simple chump.”

          So at the moment, the ONLY people wearing the burqa are Muslim women, who currently do not have a set precedence of bank-robbing. Please acknowledge this vital point. Making it illegal for these women to wear the burqa not only suggests to society that Muslim women are criminals (as we have had to create a law preventing them from wearing the burqa to rob banks) but also that we are taking steps to prevent future bank robberies committed by ANYONE wearing a burqa – despite there not being any to date.

          Banning the burqa will not stop men from robbing banks. And if a person has the choice between wearing a balaclava and a burqa – what do you think he will choose?

          Fucking idiot.

          “I listen and respect and hope to learn from their superior knowledge & intellect.
          As you should seriously do with me.”

          Fine. Tell me how many bank robberies have been committed in Australia by women. Then tell me how many bank robberies have been committed in Australia by Muslim women. Then tell me how many banks in Australia have been robbed by Muslim women wearing burqas.

          I’ll give you a headstart on the research: Zero, zero and zero.

          Now, tell me how many banks have been robbed by men wearing balaclavas, which are banned in banks. Has the ban prevented bank robberies, or stopped those men from wearing balaclavas into banks? No. A ban on burqas will NOT prevent bank robberies. End of fucking story. Tell me something to the contrary and then I’ll ‘learn from you’.

          “Anonymity is a blessing for twits such as yourself. Using your little brothers dexamphetamine to stay up all night surfing Facebook for people born west of Balmain and Broadway to screenshot in the attempt of some sort of ridicule. What I find extremely amusing, is nobody on this site will dare comment on the Facebook posts you attack so wholeheartedly, No no no, that could chance upon your face being smashed in. Instead you take the cowardly approach of silently sniping a screenshot, re-post on your private blog, and then fire a barrage of derogatory comments at them. The fact that you actually responded to my comment without creating a fake profile to do it, or print screening it and re-posting elsewhere to be the “big tough computer commie” has actually sent a twinkle of hope down my spine! ‘Perhaps he’s not the self-loathing pussy “Australian” that I previously concluded?’ but then I read the final paragraphs (Tattooing people’s ass cheeks? More successful? I think not) and remembered that I actually am a real life big tough guy, who’s young, successful and with a list of chicks I’ve fucked as long as my suitably, similarly impressive cock. You no doubt wish you were just like me every minute of every day, and to try and best my iQ would force you no option but to gift yourself with a well deserved dirt nap.”

          What’s the sound of one guy fapping?

          We remain anonymous because your ilk are the type of lowlife S-bend scum that offer violence as a means of debate. When you’re made to look like the fuckwits that you are, which is incredibly often, you’ve got nothing to offer in return other than threats. Sure, go ahead and make assumptions about who you’re talking to, who writes each post, who you’re talking to right now. Then do your thing – flex your muscles and beat someone’s face in, then head home, fuck Mrs Palmer and her five daughters and then hit up the Bundy and coke, satisfied that your knuckle-dragging neanderthalistic chest-beating has made this world a better place. You are shit. In fact, shit is better than you. There are so many people in this country laughing at people who are so intellectually stunted like yourself. You enter into a debate, trying to address serious questions that have been put to you and your simpleton mates – but you can’t get beyond the first hurdle.

          You lost the argument, and you don’t know if you’re even speaking to a male or a female and it drives you insane. Ring up the slapper from down the road, pump out a few more babies for her to raise on her own then get back to dragging your ink all over some flabby bikie’s back fat.

          Dopey motherfucker.

    • Lil Matty is so pressed for time he managed to make two identical posts from two different locations. We allowed him to keep one of them. Here we go…

      This… “Group”, and I use the term extremely loosely, is so far beyond ridiculous, that I can’t take it anymore.

      Good. There’s the door.

      I will not sit quietly in the background of this worthless site and be silently privy to anymore of this nonsensical Socialist hypocrisy you spew from your site.

      You haven’t exactly been “sitting quietly”.

      …they are using it to assist in evading identification, as anyone in a burqa or niqab do.

      Laughable bullshit.

      My ex- fiancée, from an Islamic background herself,

      Wise woman. Looks like by being your ex she has dodged a bullet.

      Now, if the main point of design is to conceal both age, and appearance, is this not an unfair advantage in this post-9/11 security conscious world we now find ourselves in? I think so.

      911 was 11 years ago. In the US. At the time US security at airports was patchy and poor because airports in the US are privately owned and controlled. Australia had good security in place at all its airports as a result of the 2000 Olympics. That is all we have ever needed.

      There have been no terrorist incidents on Australian soil since the Hilton bombing in 1978.

      You all publicly and incessantly attack your fellow Australians on this site

      Only if they are racists, bigots, homophobes or misogynists. Inadequate hate monkeys in other words.

      Aren’t the rights of the individual, the right to do, the right to speak, without oppression, the foundation on which you (allegedly) stand for? Or does that only apply to non-whites & non-Australian’s?

      Peddlers of hate speech have no rights, whether on this site or under Australian law.

      while hiding behind your bio-degradable-recycable-carbon-neutral computer

      Please tell us where we can get one of them 😀

      …before gathering in the quad to discuss the ‘positive outcomes of Globalisation through the protection of Australian native swamp moss via the sale of UN marketed carbon off-sets

      Strange how all the hate-filled information-poor xenophobes seem to think that TAB = uni students.
      But next time you visit your doctor, your dentist, are attended by a nurse, call the police, use the services of a lawyer or accountant, get your computer fixed, employ a master builder – they were or still are “uni students”. So you best avoid them.

      Maybe you’d like to set up your own alternative service provision model using the likes of Shamans Dazza or Nick? Or dress up in burqas and do a conga line to evoke some spirits?

      • U all make me laugh…apart from the all out war u declare on anyone that has a different point of view than urs…U r quite “bogan” urselves. To stand up for one particular group (that u happen to agree with) Yet beat the hell out of another group, is just plain hypocritical!.. The lengths some people go to just to run someone down, shows what sort of morons u lot really are.. Do u have REAL jobs?… I ask because ur web sites are so thorough & indepth that u must be at ur little computer 24/7. The dectective work finding every little piece of dirt u can find on people must be soo time consuming. I work & have a family & lead a pretty full life & I cant find 30 minutes to do online searches! U people r just amazing! But really.. when all hell breaks loose in this Once great country, U lot can feel really good that u “kicked in the guts” people who perhaps were only trying to save this country from the same bloody problems NOW being experienced in EVERY
        western nation with massive muslim immigration!!!! Now dont 4get to take the credit when the shit really hits the fan ok! …P.S n by the way I wont respond to the mountains of shit that u will of course be dribbling in response to my comments, I will let u have the final word…as u speak so well! …Bahahahaaaaaaaaa

        • u must be at ur little computer 24/7

          We have lots of contributors to this site, all of whom, regardless of whether they vote Labor, Coalition or Greens, have the same views on what the site stands for.

        • “Do u have REAL jobs?… I ask because ur web sites are so thorough & indepth that u must be at ur little computer 24/7. The dectective work finding every little piece of dirt u can find on people must be soo time consuming. I work & have a family & lead a pretty full life & I cant find 30 minutes to do online searches! U people r just amazing!”

          I’m pretty sure this blog has a number of admins PLUS accepts submissions from the public.

          Some people are also excellent multi-taskers. 😉

        • And we all can see someone is too busy to proof read their own rants to do spell and grammar checks and to understand this is a blog not a text to someone on their mobile hey ReligionCanGo2Hell?

          PS What Hell are you talking about?

          Hell where the devil is?

          Your Home?

          The towns called Hell?

        • Can you tell us what percentage of our Australian population is Muslim?
          Can you tell us what the dominant religions of our top 10 contributing migrant source countries are?
          Can you find evidence that the Muslim population is growing in our country at a faster rate than non-Muslims?
          Can you identify the country of origin of a person if I was to tell you that they were Muslim?

          Use your 30 mins allocated Internet research time wisely, oh important family man.

      • “There have been no terrorist incidents on Australian soil since the Hilton bombing in 1978”

        Committed by a person that was not a Muslin.

        But shhhh don’t tell the racists this, as they cannot believe in reality.

    • Much shit but not much time for common sense in your reBUTTal there Nickey?

      But if you know you lost the debate, name call?

      • I’m not a racist in the slightest. What I am is a realist. A realist in the sense that I am aware that we are losing our right to protect what is ours, and what we have every right to call our “identity”. Islamic, Buddhist, Protestant, Arabic, Asian, Anglo… It does not matter to me. If I feel what should most definitely be protected, our heritage, our culture, is being lost in the blur of the higher moral ground, for what is honestly nothing more than an attempt to dismantle our proud national identity for the purpose of Globalisation. Just like the United Kingdom, then I will say as I see fit. All I wish is for assimilation to occur, just as it does in 99% of the worlds other countries & cultures. Why does Australia have to be the country that becomes a Neapolitan blend of who-knows-who-they-are? Why can’t we have OUR culture? Banning the burqa may not be the most important, or the most sensical issue of the day, although it’s a small step in a big climb to protecting what National image we should have.

        • …our heritage, our culture, is being lost in the blur of the higher moral ground, for what is honestly nothing more than an attempt to dismantle our proud national identity for the purpose of Globalisation

          How about defining your version of “Australian culture”? Which we suspect does not look anything like ours.

          All I wish is for assimilation to occur, just as it does in 99% of the worlds other countries & cultures.

          They tried to force that on the people who had lived here for 40000 + years. Remember?

          What you are getting are mixed-race partnerships/marriages in ever-growing numbers. So what are your views on that?

        • “All I wish is for assimilation to occur, just as it does in 99% of the worlds other countries & cultures”

          99% based on complete BS or based on evidence?

        • “Why does Australia have to be the country that becomes a Neapolitan blend of who-knows-who-they-are? Why can’t we have OUR culture?”

          Currently, on a global scale, white people make up less than 10% of the population.

          White is not a race, it happens to be a skin colour that is the preference of those like yourself who feel some kind of irrational tribal defense disorder.

          White people are wonderful people, and deserve to be treated with respect, and have access to opportunity and rights.
          Same goes for non-white people though, and to suggest that in a world where over 90% are not-white there is a country where backwards fucks defend ‘white culture’ is laughable.

          Culture has little to do with skin colour. If you ask any true-blue Aussie with any skin colour, they’ll tell you that Aussie culture is beer, footy, BBQs, the beach, mateship and fairness. Having white skin wasn’t even mentioned and if you head down to Cronulla, Manly or Bondi any day of the week you’ll struggle to find any white skin – people are going out of their way to catch a bit of skin cancer so they can look a bit more like the native Aborigines they invaded. We’ve got the English flag taking up room on our flag, yet most Aussies you speak to can’t stand the Poms.

          You’re a lost soul Matty. And you’ve got no idea about what you’re talking about.

    • I was listening until you called me a ‘faggot’, as though I would be offended anyway.

      I was listening for too long.

    • It wouldn’t be difficult to pull this idiot tattooist to piece, bit by bit, but I don’t think it’s worth the time it would take. Stupidity is incurable, and his attempt at logic is just stupid.
      Have a dumb life, Matty!

    • I know Pennant Hills reasonably well and I can’t for the life of me think where the tattoo place is…

      The assumption that everyone here is a uni student always amuses me. Almost as much as when the bogots try to frame a university education as a bad thing. God forbid a bit o’learning to back up hands-on experience!!!

  5. Antibogans and the burqa share a major similarity. The burqa conceals the wearers identity and They hides behind a screen – coward.

    • Still waiting on an answer to these questions, Nicky.

      A) How exactly will the APP help the economy? Because all your policies, so far, seem to be “Shout at a brown person until the problem goes away”.

      B)-You have said publically that a large proportion of the show, particularly comments that were racist and anti-white Australia were cut. In particular you stated Sachin Joab was particularly racist in comments that did not make it to screen. Could you please elaborate on these comments, describing what you saw?

      C)-You describe a howard voter as a mad leftie. Who, in this world today, woudl you actually consider a conservative?

      D)-You say you’re fine with immigration if it involves assimilation. What exactly do you mean by that? How does a migrant, from Russia, China, the Middle East, or anywhere else assimilate tothe degree that satisfies you?

      E)-You also say you’re fine with immigration (Which, on it’s own is quite surprising ans you’ve previously said the country is full), if it’s from a compatible culture. Please tell me what makes a culture compatible with Australia, and what makes them incompatbile. Unless it’s just a matter of “White is compatible, all other colours aren’t”-in which case why don’t you ust be honest and say that on national TV?

    • Nick, I have to be honest that I am warming to your antics. You’re just so earnest, you try so hard, I actually think you could be an example of sorts to children all over Australia.

      Ignoring, for a moment, the fact that your beliefs are based on ignorance and bigotry, the manner with which you continue to bounce back in the face of failure after failure, public humiliation after public humiliation, is, in a strange way, endearing.

      Kudos to you, Nick.

    • And of course Nicky, it is ok for the racists to hide like cowards behind fake names especially on Facebook?

      For example Nick might not be your real name or Marg might be her/it real name?

      Now stick your head up your own arse and Matty or Marg arse to see how full of shit you all are?

    • Oh now Nicky… don’t tell lies. Plenty of times you’ve been fronted up to by those who oppose your fail party, and as soon as the police get tired of watching you strut around like oversized pigeons, you run away through the back streets. Who’s the coward? lol

    • Little Nicky.
      You block me every time I call you on your bullshit on facey and never reply to me here.
      Care to change that?
      Here you go.
      How about a debate?
      A public one.
      You choose the venue.
      I’ll turn up.
      Will you?

  6. Burqas are not in essence security risks in themselves as Brown shirts are not security risks. It is the foundation text against Other which they advertise which is the proven security risk.

    “You see a man park his motorcycle, start to shoot, enter the school grounds and chase children to catch one and shoot a bullet into her head,”

    “I was given a bucket of boiling water,” wrote Morris Fleischman, a Jewish survivor of that era, “and I was told to clean the steps. I lay down on my stomach and began to clean the pavement. It turned out that the bucket was half-full of acid and this burned my hands.”

    “Tragedy of the children killed just for being friends: Girl, 12, and boy, 15, murdered in horrific acid attack.”

    So as with foundation text or any text for that matter, the nature of clothing is not benign, the fact a woman wears a miniskirt is in fact as much a political statement as a fashion statement.

    What you ask yourself established the ethics against a determined Other which enabled the above?

    It is in fact in all cases an exact same Foundation textual construct of Other.

    The Burqa in this case is simple the branding of women to show ownership of an Ideology which dictates women are subject to Mans determination to “tilth where and when Man pleases”. Women are determined by God(Man) to have no choice in the matter= Institutionalized rape.

    Religion has to have a utilitarian value this is it Mans total control over women. If you are a Pathological Altruist Cultural Relativist this is perfectly OK otherwise it is obscene and should not be seen on a Countries streets which believes in maximizing the Independence of Other, to inform young citizens such an abhorrence is acceptable.

    You really think in turn as the above these same Foundation Texts will give the appropriate attainment of critical mass will not as it has consistently elsewhere determine you as Other and destined for ‘grievous harm’ or indeed the ‘severest penalty’ death. For Australia, if Statistics was a strong point given the evidence you may be able to predict when the critical mass was to be achieved for your time to face the bullet or the acid as many before you.

    But of course this is very racist – the evidence proves otherwise – you tell me. I am sure the Egyptian restaurant owners on Cairo’s streets agree with you. Even if Australia achieves the 10% in France it is only one school girl after all out of so many Others, it is only…, it is only…, it is only…

    It is as you say no a matter of clothing but it is a matter of text the clothing represents.

    NAZI BROWN SHIRTS & ISLAM BLACK SKIRTS – IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN FOUNDATION TEXT & TERROR OUTCOME FOR OTHER?
    http://citizensfirstasnau.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/brown-shirts-black-skirts-is-there.html

    • OK Mark you are doing better with the coherent narrative though there is room for improvement… keep working on the cohesive thingy.

      “Tragedy of the children killed just for being friends: Girl, 12, and boy, 15, murdered in horrific acid attack.”

      What is your point?

      …the fact a woman wears a miniskirt is in fact as much a political statement as a fashion statement.

      You obviously have little experience of women. Women wear mini skirts because fashion designers dictate them, Hollywood celebs and their own peer groups wear them – despite their being uncomfortable and liable to cause embarrassment if the wearer bends over.

      The Burqa in this case is simple the branding of women to show ownership of an Ideology which dictates women are subject to Mans determination to “tilth where and when Man pleases”. Women are determined by God(Man) to have no choice in the matter= Institutionalized rape.

      You can say the same thing about mini skirts, bikinis and other revealing clothing which Western men’s tastes impose on women for no advantage to the women. At least with the burqa/niqab/chador you could make the argument that it was a (futile) attempt to protect women from unwanted attention from ill-disciplined, immature and downright ill-mannered men’s gazes.

      it is obscene and should not be seen on a Countries streets which believes in maximizing the Independence of Other

      The West can start trumpeting a superior record on women’s rights when it actually has one to trumpet. As long as half-naked airbrushed women lounge on freeway billboards Sydney and Melbourne and on magazine covers across the country, as long as rape, intimidation and other violence towards women continues to happen, as long as women from the Prime Minister down are judged solely on their gender and appearance, you have no right to judge women from other cultures and what they choose to wear.

      And we note that Muslim countries like Bangladesh, Malaysia and Indonesia have a much better track record with electing women representatives to Parliament than does Australia.

      And I can assure you that Holocaust survivors do not equate black/brown shirts with observant Muslim women’s religious dress. They know that only one of those modes is worn by murderous Fascist thugs.

  7. And non-Muslim women are never abused, anywhere in the world? The Burqa is the only factor contibuting to marital abuse perpetrated by husbands?

    • That’s the problem with this whole thing. The cowards parade about as though they are standing up for the rights of someone else, but the reality they are hiding behind women, jews and others to bash muslims. If a woman was raped in the street by 9 anglo australians, they wouldn’t care. Hell… they would probably accuse the victim of being a ‘socialist’, and say that she deserved it.

      But if 9 men of ‘middle eastern appearence’ did it, they would be howling that this is why Islam is incompatible with Australia.

      Same with domestic violence. We know that domestic violence in Australia is just as complicated as everywhere else, yet the APP carry on as though it only happens in Muslim communities.

      Think I’m full of crap? Go and look up Nick and Darrin’s postings about Anders Breivik.

      • They can go on and on about Bilal Skaf, but ask them about the Anita Cobby case and the tumbleweeds start drifting by in the epic silence.

  8. “The West can start trumpeting a superior record on women’s rights when it actually has one to trumpet. As long as half-naked airbrushed women lounge on freeway billboards Sydney and Melbourne and on magazine covers across the country, as long as rape, intimidation and other violence towards women continues to happen, as long as women from the Prime Minister down are judged solely on their gender and appearance, you have no right to judge women from other cultures and what they choose to wear”

    1. Who sez gillard is being judged because she’s a women? She’s judged because she’s a liar & presides over the most incompetant gov. in living memory, put in place courteous of fuckers like you- who voted Aust farkin Greens. soon she will be annihilated.

    2. As for you equating the Wests treatment of women being equivalent to the cave dwelling Muslim fuckers that u like kissing the ass of- fuck you. see ABC last night? Forced marriages?

    At no stage do I accept this retarded cult & it’s Nazi ideology to be equivalent to ours. Fuck them & fuck their burqas.

    Unlike u ass holes Sergio got on national TV. Sucked in

    • in place courteous of fuckers like you- who voted Aust farkin Greens

      Excuse me? I have never voted Greens in my life. So much for your dumb stereotypes Grunty.

      Forced marriages?

      Found in a number of cultures – Hindu, African and some tribal groups for example. Shows that male supremacists have had sway for far too long.

      Unlike u ass holes Sergio got on national TV

      We have no desire to appear on national TV. We note that criminals and terrorists often appear on national TV.

    • “Who sez gillard is being judged because she’s a women? She’s judged because she’s a liar & presides over the most incompetant gov. in living memory, ”

      If Gillard is not being judged at least slightly because she is a woman, you’ll be able to provide hundreds and thousands of articles criticising the dress sense, body, hairstyle, and personal relationships of, and making sexual inneundo and allegations about Rudd, Howard, Keating, Hawke, Fraser, Whitlam, etc. Where’s the comment about Menzie’s fat arse, or rumour mongering about Holt having an affair with McMahon?

      “As for you equating the Wests treatment of women being equivalent to the cave dwelling Muslim fuckers that u like kissing the ass of”

      How exactly are women equal in the West? They get paid less, abused more, they are judged entirely on their looks, and if they do anything in anyway to insult an angry man get smeared with sexual slurs.
      And don’t even get me started on the sexual rights of women. For women in the west, they’re either called sluts or frigids. There is literally no middle ground where they can be comfortably enjoying a healthy sex life, and not be seen as, or scared of being seen as “easy” This is hardly a problem any men have to face, is it?

      “At no stage do I accept this retarded cult & it’s Nazi ideology to be equivalent to ours. Fuck them & fuck their burqas.”

      Quick question…have you met a Muslim? Like in real life, not just heard from on the news.

      “Unlike u ass holes Sergio got on national TV. Sucked in”

      Good on him. The guy who likes to hang around women’s toilets got famous. He’s up there with the incest couple on 60 minutes a few weeks back.

      However, so did Nick Folkes. He’s been on TV lot’s and lot’s of times. So has Pauline Hanson (She’s barely ever off!). And what have any of their tv appearances ever achieved?

      Nothing. Na-da. Not a jot. So unlike you, ass-hole, the people who oppose racism and discrimination seem to still have the support of the people.

    • Grant must have short memory,cannot think for himself and kiss Abbott feet, in claiming Gillard “judged because she’s a liar & presides over the most incompetant gov. in living memory” and not considering Abbott lies all the time.

      • GAMA sorry polls, stories or your own complete BS does not mean “the majority of Australians think that Gillard is a liar and self serving”.

        So why don’t you run away with your complete BS make sure the door don’t hit you on your sad and sorry arse and let the mature ones of us talk about the the subject issue.

        In other words fuck off.

        • Did you actually read any of the references before you flew off with your non-sensical verbal diarrhea?

        • Ah yes GAMA, do you actually believe in reality? Ah seeing you believe in polls and media stories.

          I guess not, oh well. zzzzzzzzzzzzz

        • In claiming my opinion is “non-sensical verbal diarrhea” I guess GAMA didn’t get a child to proof read his own comments, before shitting them onto here?

    • “She’s judged because she’s a liar & presides over the most incompetant gov. in living memory”

      I’d like to see you explain said incompetence. It’s all very well to say she’s done a bad job, but how? And if, for example, you blurt out ‘carbon tax’, explain why this is bad and how it will affect you.

      kthxbai

      • And I like to see GAMA explain why he believes based on polls and stories, that as “Abbott goes, even with his lowest approval rating on record he is still preffered Prime Minister over Gillard!” and he speaks for the majority?

        But I guess we never know, so it is back to these racist especially thanks to Channel 7?

        • Read the following from the financial review and the results of the Nielsen Poll. It’s not me saying it but a reputable Polling Company. I await your intellectual analysis with keen anticipation!

          Nielsen pollster John Stirton notes that the collapse in Labor’s vote has masked a decline in support for Mr Abbott, who now has 17 per cent more voters disapproving rather than approving his performance.

          This is the lowest approval rating for an opposition leader since Malcolm Turnbull’s in November 2009, Mr Stirton said.

          Mr Abbott’s net disapproval rating is higher than Mr Turnbull’s when he was replaced as leader.

          Mr Abbott is ahead of Ms Gillard as preferred prime minister on 48-45 per cent.

          http://www.afr.com/p/national/labor_support_slumps_to_the_pits_IxOrgECII3qphYdK4pv6SN

        • GAMA how can MMU throw yourself at yourself?

          By the way, the village rang they don’t want you back as they don’t want them being brought down to your level and you beating them with your experience.

          Have a nice day 🙂

        • I wasn’t talking to GAMA and I’m not participating in your argument with him, RH. Sometimes you come out with some really funny posts. I’d love to see you do more of those, and less of the schoolyard slanging matches…

      • Reneging on the “signed deal” that she made with Andrew Wilkie, to help her form government, proves that she’s a liar. It also shows how little her promises mean!

        • All politicians make policy changes, GAMA, and Labor had to accept some changes in able to maintain the leadership in government.

          In any case, there’s little point arguing about Gillard vs Abbott vs Brown vs whoever on here.

        • That’s understandable and not all stuff ups by progressive Labor governments can be laid at the feet of Gillard, however it is the perception in the electorate. As far as this blog goes though, the only party with a genuinely decent policy on refugees and asylum seekers are the Greens. Although, due to the failure of their Malaysia solution, it does seem that Labor is currently being forced into actually implementing more humane policies.

  9. Guys, seriously these comments are as ignorant as the views you shout down.

    Australians of all races and religions have a right to demand that people who come to this country respect our laws, culture and way of life.

    Tolerance is a great part of our culture, however too much and it becomes weakness. When that happens the very fabric of our culture, society and laws become compromised.

    Certain cultures have traits that are incompatible with modern liberal Western belief systems. Unless that is recognised, confronted and addressed, the problem will fester and bigger problems will arise in the future.

    I am not suggesting certain people must be prevented from coming here nor am I suggesting sending anyone home.

    Some will shout this down as racist, bigotry etc. Others will understand the sense.

    • Certain cultures have traits that are incompatible with modern liberal Western belief systems.

      Please outline the “modern liberal belief systems” you refer to and describe the “threats” you think they face.

      Please outline which groups whose practices you wish to marginalise or legislate against. We refer you to South Africa’s colour bar laws, similar statutes in the US and the Nuremberg Race Laws for previous efforts.

      Please compare and contrast the edicts of the military regime in NSW in 1788 setting out which religions could be practised in the colony and which could not.

      Thank you for your time.

    • Oh, absolutely Smiley. We all want all people to obey the law, no matter where they are. And yes, some people try to get away with breaking the law due to their culture-and are arrested.

      But which cultures have practices that are breaking the law, that aren’t being punished for it because we tolerate thier behaviour?

    • Poor old Grant got sucked to the racists BS and rants.

      And he must be a Abbott sucker and American as he didn’t mentioned Abbott lies and they call bottom, ass those American’s?

      And smiley if there are “Australians of all races and religions” living here then actually what is this country culture and way of life?

    • Define “Australian culture”. The best minds in the country have not been able to do so, but you act as if you have have some inside info.

      So please define “Australian culture”.

    • Smiley, well said.. The real fact is that most Australians say the very same thing. No matter what, Aussies of all nationalities want the “Aussie culture” to stay as it has always been. Some minorities who have fanatical & oppressive ideals will always try to undermine Our way of life, that is just a given. This rubbish “Define Aus culture” is so UnAustralian it’s shameful!!!. If one has to keep defending ones Own culture in ones Own country then something is seriously going Very wrong!. The real facts are – Yes, there are many who do want to change the way we live but it is these “shit stirrers” who claim to be “standing up for peoples rights” ( which “people” is beyond me) who are really undermining our values,traditions & culture. The very brave & self sacraficing Aussie Diggers who fought n died for this “Aussie Culture” would turn over in their graves to hear these comments come out of so called Australians mouths!! Its disgusting & so disrespectful. I would love a real national survey on this, cause I would be happy to put my money on the “Aussie Culture” being the most important to the majority of Australians! On ya Mate!

      • No matter what, Aussies of all nationalities want the “Aussie culture” to stay as it has always been

        Ah now let me see…domestic violence, rape culture, oppression of women and girls and male supremacy, marginalisation and racism towards Indigenous people, White Australia Policy, discrimination against Catholics and Jews, widespread poverty and privation during the Great Depression, wowserism, one of the worst censorship regimes in the Anglosphere…

        And stop invoking “the diggers”. They were a diverse group of men with the only thing in common being they went to war. Don’t assume they all held the same set of “values” and that any of their “values” were the same as yours.

      • “ReligionCanGo2Hell” – I love the irony of that name.

        Having said this, you’re an idiot. Everything you have said spits in the face of Aussie values and culture. If you need to ask me what I mean by this you are unAustralian – you should know what it mean to be an Aussie.

        Oh, and the diggers called. They want you to stop using their names to prop up your shitful, moronic ramblings.

  10. There are many Muslims who were born here, believe it or not, so are actually classified as Australians..

    I know a Muslim woman who chose to wear the niqab (Born here too) and follows the law. Why punish her by banning the burqa? What’s the point?

    How about you people actually find the time to talk to a woman wearing the burqa-without making derogatory remarks towards them and have an honest conversation. Maybe your views will change, maybe not.

  11. Reality hurts, if you don’t know what it means to be Australian nor understand the Australian way of life and/or culture then honestly no offence, but there is no point explaining to you.

    Mindmadeup- I am not suggesting marginalising anyone. If you can only make comparisons with Apartheid and Nazism, then it would be impossible to reason.

    Having grown up in the middle east, I can assure you there are many traits from certain cultures that are incompatible with Western liberal societies.

    Gender Equality and the rule of the law are two that spring to mind. The rule of law is interesting as it shapes a society and has a different meaning with different cultures. It is the very fabric which a culture is based on.

    A society that teaches its men that a womans only place is at home, or that gays are an abomination is very different from ours.

    Like I said I dont wish to marginalise anyone. But avoiding the truth wont address the issues.

    Understanding and education will.

    • “, if you don’t know what it means to be Australian nor understand the Australian way of life and/or culture then honestly no offence, but there is no point explaining to you.”

      So let me get this straight, you know what Australia culture is, but you won’t tell us? Really? That’s what you’re going for?
      I don’t think you actually know the answer, but you’re going to say “I know, but I won’t tell you” to hide that. Prove me wrong. As an earlier poster said, the greatest minds have tried and failed to define it, let’s see you have a go. And you must-for to say what a culture is not (As you are doing), you must also be able to say what a culture is, correct?

      “Gender Equality and the rule of the law are two that spring to mind.”

      So, if a muslim obeys the law, we have no problem with them, correct?

      “A society that teaches its men that a womans only place is at home, or that gays are an abomination is very different from ours.”

      A view of gender equality and homosexuality, while unacceptable to myself, true, is hardly unique to Muslims or atypical to Australians. What about Australian born residents, muslim and non-muslim, who believe a woman’s place is in the home? Are we saying that any Australian citizen who doesn’t accept homosexuality is no longer an Australian-or are we only saying Muslims, or new immigrants will be judged this way? If so, our free speech laws will become, quite firghteningly “You’re allowed to have backward beliefs on women, but only if you’re born here!”-I don’t think I want to live in such a two-class society.

      Islam, like all belief systems, has beliefs I do not agree with. However, they have a right to these views, just as I have a right to voice my objection to them. As long as they still respect the law, I do not think they should be classed as non-Australians for the beliefs which are out of date and irrelevant, anymore than I think anyone else should be classed as non-Australian for any of their beliefs.

      Also, I repeat:
      Which cultures have practices that are breaking the law, that aren’t being punished for it because we tolerate thier behaviour? IF the answer is none, then we are not at risk, as you have been suggesting, of tolerating too much, correct?

    • Smiley, smiley,smiley honestly no offence but unlike you I know with people from different backgrounds including The Middle East, Australian has different way of life and/or culture.

      So I guess there is no point explaining reality to you.

      PS Did you know there was a movie called “Smiley”?

    • “Having grown up in the middle east, I can assure you there are many traits from certain cultures that are incompatible with Western liberal societies” .

      How long do we have to wait for Smiley to give us answers for the above or never?

    • This website is a total farce. Smiley is making a clear and important argument, one that gets twisted and misconstrued to both the left and the polar right.
      Why is his post such offensive that it needs to be tainted and marked as inconsistent and no doubt racist?
      It’s not! It’s a fair comment made in a fair and suitably impartial way!
      WHY CAN’T WE, AS AUSTRALIAN’S, DEFEND OUR AUSTRALIAN CULTURE?
      What’s so bad about having an identity, just like every other nation on this planet?
      Why do we have to be the melting pot for all?
      I have asked these same questions an infinite amount of times, in an infinite amount of ways, and still can’t get a straight up answer. Please, if you can give me a decent response without the personal attack, I will respectfully do the same, I just want to know why we can’t have, what (almost) every other nation gets to have.
      And to be called “racist” for asking these questions is insulting to say the least.

      • Why is his post such (sic) offensive that it needs to be tainted and marked as inconsistent and no doubt racist?

        Nothing of the sort as yet. If we uncover a racist motivation we will call someone on it.

        WHY CAN’T WE, AS AUSTRALIAN’S, DEFEND OUR AUSTRALIAN CULTURE?

        How about defining it first? I have a very strong suspicion that “your” version and “ours” would not resemble each others in the slightest, except that we currently dwell on the same land mass and (presumably) speak English.

        • Define it? In that case, if you’re alleging that these retarded third world cultures are equal to ours why do u live in Australia?. No, no Aussies are lining up to leave OZ, but lots of foreigners choose to come here.

          So they can FIFO.

        • Grant-you were asked to define Australian culture. You’ve chosen to bark angrily like a dog with rabies.

          Shall we go again, or do you need to be taken to the vet.

          Define Australian culture. After all, you can’t say what won’t fit into Australia if you can’t define what does, and you can’t state what Australian culture isn’t if you can’t define what it is?

      • Being a melting pot is intrinsic to our identity. 44% of Australians are either migrants or first generation Australians. It is part of who we are, I don’t see any sense in denying it for some odd, rose-tinted, 1950s-esque (but without the wife-beating or women in the kitchen vibe, presumably… although with many bogots I’m not sure this is clear cut) version of Australia that is largely made up of what is projected onto us by Crocodile Dundee and Steve Irwin.

        Some Australians may live in an ocker reality but a sizeable number of us do not, and never have. And I’ve lived in plenty of blue collar areas and also well out in the country. And when I lived in those areas, back before all this ‘Fuck Off We’re Full’ nonsense started, there wasn’t a need for people to emblazon their cars/utes/trucks with nationalist Strayan white pride crap, coz even the people who were the stereotypical Aussie who lives on the land, says ‘fair dinkum’ a lot, calls everyone ‘mate’, drinks at a half-empty pub with 70s decor, drives a ute, has a dog called Bluey, etc, etc… they were busy just being themselves and getting on with their lives.

        If it’s your culture, then live it… but your *own* “way of life” is not necessarily mine. I don’t see why we need to impose this stereotypical notion on immigrants when many of us don’t live it ourselves.

      • Matty if you get your head out of Smiley arse.

        You would see the light, we don’t see any straight answer from you or Smiley of what you both considered to be Australia culture.

        • I’ll have a crack at defining Australian culture and try to use as much slang as possible.
          – Everyone deserves a fair go.
          – You should look after ya mates.
          – Help out ya fellow Aussies who need it, actually help out any bugger who needs it.
          – Barrack for any sports team, car company, politician or god that you want.
          – Eat lots of good tucker, even that delicious foreign grub.
          – Drink whatever piss you like. Beer, wine, spirits, mineral water, again even the foreign stuff because it’s great.
          – Look after ya kids because they’re the future and one day you might need the cheeky little shits to look after you.

          Have I missed anything?

    • Do you actually know what it means to be Australian, or what the Australian way of life is?

      Cliche crap… This is just a way of saying ‘fit in to how I think it should be, or fuck off’.

      • “Way of life” is just a cop-out euphemism. Even outside of the muslim community, Australia is to diverse to dictate a particular “way of life”

        Cut the crap. Just learn to get along with others instead of expecting them to all play by your rules. It’s not f*cking hard.

    • Question for Smiley:

      If it’s possible for thousands of Arabic men in our country to respect Australian law, treat women well, raise their children in a fair and just way and be non-abrasive to the community in which they live, isn’t your whole argument void?

      Sure – some Arabic men are fuckwit criminal lowlifes. But that also goes for men from all backgrounds.

  12. You know, as misguided, ignorant and starved of reality as these “antibogans” are, they at least used to stay relevant and occasionally managed to present reasonably well put together arguments. Not any more. They have become a total joke. Not a single point put over by the admin/s of this rose colored glasses site in the above thread holds water at all. But of course we all know it’s impossible to debate these cretins. They are so easily owned it’s hardly worth the effort. But whenever they are owned, which is many, many times per day they simply don’t allow the post or publish a totally false, fraudulent post including the original posters name. And yes, as pointed out above, at least Nick has the balls to go on TV and stand by his views. Not a single admin at this pathetic blog can say the same. And never, ever will. Anonymity, the last and only refuge of the coward.

  13. Barbara Ausburn, Marg Lennon or Diane Leigh Renard and your new toyboy Serigo wearing sunglasses and using The Flag as a hat to hide is ok?

  14. Channel 7 News and Today Tonight, the soapbox made of BS for racists especially for Marg and her Toyboy Serigo.

    I am wondering if Serigo do her in glass?

  15. LOL MMU has been totally owned again. This site used to at least manage to put a reasonable argument forward, as naive and idealistic as that argument may be. But not any more. Having run fresh out of valid arguments, this is now a site full of fraudulent posts, and as Gama rightly points out, when the admin/s of this site fail, which these days is regularly, she (in most cases it’s she) resorts to abuse, editing comments, not publishing most comments that disagree with their idealistic views, and in some cases posting totally fraudulent comments and falsley representing them as being made by those who take the opposing views. This site is living breathing proof of leftists utilizing fraud and censorship to give their invalid views some measure of impetus. Pretty easy to win a debate when you resort to cheating. And of course when you’re the referee in your own debate. Antibogan, you were once a respectable opponent, but not anymore. You lose antibogan. All can see the truth of my comment, which is why it will likely never be published. This entire post is yet another massive fail.

  16. This is wonderful. The bogots send in their brains-trust, and the best they can do is this? lol
    They should try a ‘human-brain-centipede’ and see if that raises the IQ enough to actually understand sociological and social constructs to be able to argue effectively.
    Matty, Smiley and the other idiots: try to open your mind. It’s a big world out there, and you’re missing out on so much of it.:D

    • Matty is just trying to protect his core clientele. If people stop getting Southern Cross tattoos, his business will surely suffer.

  17. LOl- just as I expected. Ignorant, bigoted responses. Whats that old saying- you cant talk sense to those who have none.

    Australian culture- If you dont understand your own culture or what it means to be Australian, honestly…do you really expect me to give you the time of day to explain it?

    Is this forum representative of the best the Left has to offer?

    It is little wonder mainstream Australia and the Western world is fast beoming intolerent to Multiculturism.

    If there is anyone on this site or spectrum who has the intelligence to engage in intelligent debate, I’d be happy to discuss further

    • Smiley there are those who has the intelligence to engage in intelligent debate including asking you and some others what is Australian Culture.

      But you chose to ignore these people as they have proven you don’t like being asked simple questions, because you have proven you don’t have a fucken clue.

    • Ok Smiley if you want to have a intelligent debate.

      Then you can answer the following without abuse, lies and BS, if you don’t answer, then people can clearly see what you lack.

      With many people from different backgrounds living in Australia including from The Middle East, then please tell us what is Australian culture?

      • He can’t tell you what ‘Aussie culture’ is, because he doesn’t know. He just doesn’t like people that don’t look, sound, cook and mostly get drunk like he does.

        I.e. people who want more out of life than playing Playstation, dreaming about a V8 commodore and where their next bag of grass is coming from.

    • Hey Smiley,

      In regards to your comment about ‘Australian culture’:
      I’m pretty sure we all know what Australian culture is. We also know that ”Australian culture” can be interpreted differently. What I assume people want to know here is what your interpretation of “Australian culture”, as stated earlier, rather than assume we all believe it is the same thing. I think it should be clear by the replies made to your comments that it is simply your opinion that is desired. There’s no need to feel superior or assume we’re silly people who don’t understand our own culture. 🙂

    • Australian culture is totally subjective. our ‘Way of life’ is, as I said, simply a manipulative word. Smiley, You know less than you think you know. Open your eyes… You’re defending a mound of bullshit.

    • Give me a question. Or more. Give them numbers, and watch me address them.

      This is something that you and your ilk have as such failed to do.

      I await your next comment.

  18. No Smiley theyre all clones here – its all about cultural marxism and can l have another dose of the group think, it really sates my thirst. Cultures are great – as long as theyre not White or European – or both, they are marked for extinction.

      • Whites will soon be a minority group in Australia. The current demographic trajectory points to minority status for Whites in about 25 years. Forty years ago Australia was 98% White.

        UPDATE: I am actually pleased about this.

        • “Whites will soon be a minority group in Australia” based on too much watching Today Tonight and not enough visit to The Psychiatrist to deal with flom Paranoid personality disorder problems, not accepting reality that claims like % in here is not proof and not accepting of Australia been invaded by whites and The Indigenous Australians being destroyed and thinking European Western culture is of much superior.

        • Leoaica: So, who does represent you? No, you only got rid of Hilaly because the bad publicity gave you too much heat. & if he’s a psycho, what does that say about your Koran?

          1. Does sharia call for the killing of apostates? If so do you agree with that?
          2.a).Does the sharia call for punishment for those that: mock the prophet.

          b) Mock the koran?
          c) Mock the sharia?
          d) What is the stance of sharia on adulterers?
          e) What is the stance of the sharia on practising homosexuals?

          So keep singing kumbaya with your Newtown buddies. LOL

        • “No, you only got rid of Hilaly because the bad publicity gave you too much heat. & if he’s a psycho, what does that say about your Koran?”

          He retired, shithead. And the bad publicity he received came from the Muslim community as well as the mainstream media.

          “1. Does sharia call for the killing of apostates? If so do you agree with that?”

          I’d say that any Muslims who DON’T and NEVER WILL kill apostates don’t agree with that. Why is this so very very hard for you to comprehend?

          “2.a).Does the sharia call for punishment for those that: mock the prophet.

          b) Mock the koran?
          c) Mock the sharia?”

          Take a look at all the people who’ve openly criticised Islam in general, Niqi. Hanson, Bolt, Redegalli, Hodges etc etc and the list of fuckwits goes longer than you can stay awake for. How many of those people have been killed? Hmm? Hanson been killed? Nope. Bolt? Nope. Redegalli? Nope and his address is common knowledge because he puts a giant ‘I’m an anti-Muslim’ picture on his front wall. None of these people have even been harmed. Criticised, yes. Harmed? No. Killed? No. And it’s not like Muslims haven’t had a chance – they’ve had many. These are PUBLIC personalities, and I use the word ‘personality’ very sparingly.
          And what about the less well-known fuckwits who speak out about their hatred of Islam? Any of those fuckers (ie. YOU) been killed or harmed?

          Open your eyes shithead.

          “d) What is the stance of sharia on adulterers?
          e) What is the stance of the sharia on practising homosexuals?”

          Well those Muslims in Australia that are openly gay are still alive and enjoying life to this very day.

          Soooo ummmm…

    • Do you even know what ‘Cultural Marxism’ is Flom?

      And Flom, do you really think that Non white or european cultures are being threatened here in Australia? I mean… seriously. Do you think that these cultures are subjected to the same large scale victimisation as you cowards inflict on minority groups?

      Get a grip on reality.

    • I love it when they try to sound like they know what they’re talking about and throw around terms like “cultural Marxism”.

      That and assuming that everyone here is either a socialist, marxist or uni student. Safe bet that they’ve never been inside a university and don’t actually know what Marxism or socialism actually are.

      • There are a few of the regular idiots who always call me a socialist on FB. Every time I ask them what socialism is they either tell me to fuck off, change the subject, or disappear from the thread. It’s gone on for months now. Still not one response.

  19. GAMA is a true LIbEralS especially Howard and Abbott arse licker, not saying anything about Abbott and Howard lying, making false promises like Iraq War based on lies, never ever GST, Wheat Board Scam, Carbon Tax that Abbott suggested and accepted etc etc etc etc.

    Also if GAMA actually understand reality that is the election, beside The Liberal Wilkie, there was other Members that helped Gillard form Government.

    • But of course GAMA I must be stupid, knowing you based your comments that you didn’t you get proof read by a child on complete BS especially polls and stories?

      hahahaha! 🙂

      Now can you do something that would be of great benefit to us both?

      See that door?

      Open it making sure it doesn’t hit you on your sad and sorry arse.

      Now go and get fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Yes GAMA I read the references if you mean The Polls, but unlike you I am not stupid in believing in complete BS.

  20. Now if flom actually read the racist comments and watch actions not only in here but many other places, the racists are clones of each other.

    Coming up with the same BS and actions.

  21. Guys, please, there is no need to personally attack people simply because they have a different view. That just shows ignorance and intolerance.

    At any rate, there is a problem and a bigger one looking if it remains unaddressed.

    Certain cultures are incompatible with ours

    We need to accept that people from some countries come from societies that have nothing or very little in the way of human rights, no equal rights, system of govt and or law.

    Very different from our own

    Rather than driving people to the political fringes, perhaps just addressing the issue with some honesty and truth would be the way forward

    Personally, to me its not ok to ban mini skirts because men find it too tempting, as what has just occurred in Indonesia. Its not ok that homosexuality is illegal. Women cant show skin and must cover they’re faces so they cant be seen by other men- not ok.

    Are these not traits those on the left despise. Yet you defend it?

    • Certain cultures are incompatible with ours

      Yes, racism and bigotry are totally incompatible with modern society. Hence this blog.

      We need to accept that people from some countries come from societies that have nothing or very little in the way of human rights, no equal rights, system of govt and or law.

      We need to accept that people from the far right identity politics you obviously espouse come from enclaves that would have nothing or very little in the way of human rights, no equal rights, system of govt and or law.

      Women cant show skin and must cover they’re faces so they cant be seen by other men- not ok.

      If women choose not to be ogled by a bunch of testosterone-overloaded fail frat boys that is their right.

      • ‘If women choose not to be ogled by a bunch of testosterone-overloaded fail frat boys that is their right.’
        I have no objection to your site but that is a pretty simplistic view of the intense patriarchal muslim decree in female subservience.

        • Patriarchal turds hiding their inadequacies by bullying women are not confined to Islam. Every single culture has them and they are all equally nasty.

        • Thanks Gus Sanity is a rare commodity on this site.

          A site which encourages bigotry, racism and misogyny to boot whilst deleting anything which jars their vision of their inherent goodness. Alas Humanity continues to suffer from the evil of self-deceiving do gooders.

          Choice not to be ogled is a choice not to have equal status to men.

          What is Choice?

          At what point of dress will a woman let alone man have to wear to achieve the perfect state of not being subject to ogling? It is an absurdity. Why? Because as you pointed out such a simplistic view negates the existence of the terrible chains women have to bare due to this ‘choice’.

          We accept the negation of Others ‘Freedom’ at our own peril. Call it choice if you want but it ignores the fact freedom of choice simply does not exist – if you can prove it does – more than a Noble peace prize awaits.

          The fact Freedom of Choice does not exist means what? Rather than promoting the subjugation and obliteration of Other maybe this site can do something more useful for Humanity.

    • We need to accept that people from some countries come from societies that have nothing or very little in the way of human rights, no equal rights, system of govt and or law.

      Smiley, people do not choose their places of birth.

      It is only by the sheerest accident that you and I happened to be born and brought up in Australia, and not, say, Kiribati. People do not get to choose where they come from.

      Looking down upon them for being from a culture with very little in the way of social justice is just plain wrong. Is it their fault that they were born in such a culture? Does the fact that they were born there mean they will never be able to adjust to a much freer, much more just culture?

      Just like native born Australians, immigrants are individuals too, with widely differing beliefs and ideological convictions. Just because a person grew up in a particular society does not mean they espouse every stereotypical value of that society.
      Just as we all define our own sense of being Australians differently, so does everyone else define their sense of identity in their own way.

      Culture is decided largely by economic, historical and political realities. It has very little to do with people themselves. Moreover, culture is very subjective – everyone sees it differently. There is NO SUCH THING as an unambiguously defined, universally accepted national culture.

      One of the biggest issues I have with the Right is their tendency to list out things they find desirable and try to pass it off as out national culture. The same logic tends to be applied to other countries too.
      You do not see the people behind the groups, do not recognize that humans do not have a hive mind. You see Arabs, and Indonesians and Somalians, but do not see WHO those people really are.

      Our laws protect women and homosexuals from discrimination. But if your logic is that homophobic and misogynistic people cannot be allowed to be Australians, then we must also snatch Australian citizenship from all those native born Australians on the pages of this blog who have expressed homophobic and misogynistic views. Immigrants most certainly do not have a monopoly over those.

      We are free to criticize peoples’ beliefs (in a non-threatening manner), and we are free to hold individual opinions on what our culture is and isn’t, but we cannot claim that to be true for everyone in the country,

    • “Certain cultures are incompatible with ours[.]”

      At what point are you going to acknowledge the hundreds of thousands of people from non-Anglo backgrounds that live peacefully in our country? They pay taxes, raise their children well, value education, refuse to drink alcohol, have friends from different backgrounds, treat women well, sing our national anthem, work hard etc etc.

      If you’re going to say that ‘certain’ cultures are incompatible with ours, perhaps you should also elude to which cultures you’re referring to.

      Just because a person has origins that can be traced back to another country doesn’t mean they do not have the physical and mental capacity to adhere to a new country’s laws and customs. If you’re going to make implications like this, you had better have some kind of research models to support your shit.

      “Rather than driving people to the political fringes, perhaps just addressing the issue with some honesty and truth would be the way forward[.]”

      What the fuck does this even mean? Driving people to political fringes? If it wasn’t for numbnuts like you who bang on about ‘incompatible cultures’, we wouldn’t have any support for fuckwit ‘parties’ like Australia First, Australian Protectionist Party, One Nation etc etc. What ‘honesty and truth’ are you hinting at here, Smiley? Perhaps the honesty and truth that people from all cultures and backgrounds have for centuries been able to live here in Australia without causing ANY single disruption to our way of life, and without ever threatening the fabric of this country, which include what we refer to as our culture, and all of our laws and statutes.

      “Personally, to me its not ok to ban mini skirts because men find it too tempting, as what has just occurred in Indonesia. Its not ok that homosexuality is illegal. Women cant show skin and must cover they’re faces so they cant be seen by other men- not ok.

      Are these not traits those on the left despise. Yet you defend it?”

      Huh?

      Banning things is draconian and ANYTHING but what a democratic society should be engaging in. ‘Banning’ people from exceeding the speed limit in their cars is justified, because there is a precedence of cars having killed people while speeding. ‘Banning’ intoxicated people from being served more alcohol is justified, because there is a precedence of abuse, rape, assault and anti-social behaviour associated with drinking in excess. ‘Banning’ adults from having sex with people under 16 is justified, as there is heavy research associated with child psychology and development that suggests that people cannot generally make rational decisions about their sexual activity until they’ve reached a particular stage of development that on average occurs after a person has been in puberty for several years.

      Banning mini skirts is absolute bullshit and we’ve never said that we would support such a ridiculous move. Homosexuality a punishable crime? What a laugh. Assaulting women because of their choice in too much or too little clothing? Inhumanity.

      It is completely obvious that you have little grasp on reality.

    • Plugging in the bogot translator, and:

      “Guys, please, there is no need to personally attack people simply because they have a different view.” – Stop picking on me.
      “That just shows ignorance and intolerance.” – I know two words starting with ’i’.
      “At any rate, there is a problem and a bigger one looking if it remains unaddressed.” – I imagine things, and the more I imagine them the bigger they get.
      “Certain cultures are incompatible with ours” – I’m incompatible with brown people.
      “We need to accept that people from some countries come from societies that have nothing or very little in the way of human rights, no equal rights, system of govt and or law.” – Some foreigners are subhuman
      “Rather than driving people to the political fringes, perhaps just addressing the issue with some honesty and truth would be the way forward” – Pander to my prejudices. Tell me I’m special. Tell me it’s okay for me to feel more worthy than brown people.
      “Personally, to me its not ok to ban mini skirts because men find it too tempting, as what has just occurred in Indonesia.” – Muslims are evil.
      “Its not ok that homosexuality is illegal.” – Muslims are evil.
      “Women cant show skin and must cover they’re faces so they cant be seen by other men- not ok.” – Muslims are evil.
      “Are these not traits those on the left despise. Yet you defend it?” – I really have no idea.

  22. i would stake my life their intention was not to be disrespectful towards Muslims but to get their point across but they may have caused more anger than raise awareness (Muslims do not deserve to be disrespected plain and simple) but people like “folkes” need to now step away from this because he is an embarrassment to all Australians and multiculturalism. But the NEWS is the worst of all portraying a 1-sided story of these people as all being 100% racists & every other bad word you can think of. I do NOT condone any of their abusive languages or remarks towards Muslims but believe they tried to raise a valid issue and all they were met with was UNACCEPTABLE PHYSICAL ABUSIVE AND AGGRESSIVE behavior from a Muslim man in Sydney but apparently that sort of behavior is ok. I see no mention of the Muslim man’s actions in public today which were completely UNACCEPTABLE no matter the circumstances.

    • How do you know that man was Muslim, ‘Regular Australian’?

      What the fuck is a ‘regular’ Australian?

      Did you witness the lead-up to what sparked the to and fro between the burqa-bogots and the ‘Muslim’ men?

      “…completely UNACCEPTABLE no matter the circumstances.” – Sorry what? Again, did you see the lead-up to that confrontation? How do you know Folkes and co. didn’t call them Muslim filth? How do you know that Folkes and co. didn’t insult their mothers? How can you sit here and argue that we didn’t get the full story but draw such fucking ridiculous conclusions from 8 seconds of video?

      ‘Dumb-arse Australian’ more like it.

      • God, you must be on drugs.

        Folkes had no need to call them anything. 1400 years of inbreeding leads to hair trigger tempers- as in the middle east, where weddings are celebrated with gun fire.

        Apart from this, do you think he’d say anything like this with channel 9 & 7 in tow? Fuck off.

        The Muslims were driving past, numb nuts.

        A regular Australian is one who doesn’t believe in sharia law.

        By the way this has now gone global unlike the anti bogan.

        • Hi Grant,

          Good to see you here again. Care to answer any of the questions that have been posted here?

          * If balaclavas have been banned in banks, how come bank robbers still choose to wear them while robbing banks?
          * If burqas can hide bombs, how come there have been no burqa related suicide bomb attempts or successes in Australia, ever?
          * If cargo pants can hide deadly weapons, how come these aren’t banned?
          * If burqas oppress women, how does limiting their freedom to dress liberate them?
          * If a woman is forced to wear a burqa by her oppressive husband, how is it liberating for them to ban burqas in public? Wouldn’t that then confine those women to stay inside their homes?
          * If the statistical majority of sexual assaults are committed by those known to the victim, what’s the point of wearing a burqa to sexually assault someone?
          * If the main factor in physical abuse and domestic violence is alcohol, how come we are blaming Muslims who don’t drink alcohol, and women who wear burqas, who generally don’t go into pubs or liquor stores?
          * If wearing the burqa supposedly hides one away from society, how come they stand out in a crowd? Surely if a person wanted to blend into a crowd or secretly hide their identity they’d wear some dark glasses, a hat, and maybe some form of cosmetic hindrance.
          * If terrorism is such a massive threat in our country that we need to be scared about women wearing burqas, how come we aren’t scared of dying of heart failure, drink driving, road accidents, lung cancer or any of the other major killers?
          * If terrorism performed by women wearing burqas is such a threat, how come I have more chance of being killed by being struck by lightning (odds: 40,000 : 1)?
          * If we are concerned about women wearing burqas hiding out in female changerooms, how come we never see them in female changerooms? Surely we’d notice them sitting there, doing nothing.
          * If we are so concerned about women wearing burqas and watching women at the beach, how come we haven’t paid homage to the trillions of gigabytes worth of porn freely accessible on the Internet?

          Kthanxbai

        • 1400 years of inbreeding leads to hair trigger tempers

          NOW you get it. That goes a long way to explaining your lot now doesn’t it

    • Tell you what if any of us had seen them they would have been roundly abused for the snivelling cowards and bigots they are.

      How would you feel if you or your wife took your kid into a women’s toilet and saw the likes of Folkes and Redegalli standing there leering?

      Do you really want these crims walking into our state parliament and our law courts dressed in a way which insults our Muslim citizens?

      • “* If balaclavas have been banned in banks, how come bank robbers still choose to wear them while robbing banks?”

        Thats right, your solution is to throw you’re arms up & do nothing.

        “* If burqas can hide bombs, how come there have been no burqa related suicide bomb attempts or successes in Australia, ever?
        * If cargo pants can hide deadly weapons, how come these aren’t banned?”

        Who said anything about bombs, needless to say though, there was a big article in The Australian recently about 21 convictions for attempted terrorist attacks. ‘Homegrown terrorism’ Oh, & they weren’t Baptists or Presbyterians. LOL.

        • So just to be clear then, 21 convictions-succesful convictions, and 0 attacks. Sounds like our security department is doing a pretty good job, doesn’t it?

          So why would we need to restrict the liberties of Australians to protect against terrorism, when the security forces are already doing enough to curtail it?

          Just tell me one thing, Grant, what would a burqa ban actually achieve? What good would it do? Because I don’t like the burqa either, be glad to see it gone-but banning it will do nothing but punish women for being Muslim.

          And I think I speak for all Australians when I say punishing women for their religion is Un-Australian, and un-manly.

    • ” need to now step away from this because he is an embarrassment to all Australians and multiculturalism”

      Yes, Folkes is an embarrassment to multiculturalism. well said, the fuckers behind enshrining this abomination are an embarrassment.

      Yes Folkes has highlighted what a crock of shit multiculturalism is. And fuckers here don’t like it.

      • Oh-so you want to get rid of multiculturalism now, do you? So what are we going to do with the large Greek, large Italian, large Vietnamese, Chinese and Aboriginal population in Australia?

        I await to hear your answer. Should be entertaining?

        BTW the majority of Australians (About 70+% of the population according to The Australian) support multicutluralism. So, shouldn’t it be people like me, who support multiculturalism, who are telling you to “fit in or fuck off”? Majority rules, right-that’s democracy? Or are you against that too?

        Not that I would of course, I love diversity!

        • Why should he? You lot never supply an evidence base.

          Your lot’s posts are either defamatory, abusive, incoherent, prejudiced or veritable Wailing Walls of whinges centred around yourselves and what you think you are missing out on.

        • Oh i do, i’d have every single government dept thats been built around this steaming pile of shit, shut down, & the useless fuckers that ‘work’ there can go out & find real jobs.

          Fuckers that can’t speak english can farkin live under a farkin bridge- no more interpreting services.

        • The majority support multiculturalism do they?

          Well, I’m learning news things everyday.

          I doubt you even know what the word means based on your comments above.

        • “Define multiculturalism”

          So, let me get this straight. You want to get rid of multiculturalism, I ask you to confirm it, then you tell me I have to define the comment you’ve made. why aren’t you able to understand your own words?

          “i’d have every single government dept thats been built around this steaming pile of shit, shut down, & the useless fuckers that ‘work’ there can go out & find real jobs.”

          So, is that every government department, or only those that work with migrants? Department of Immigration-gone-let chaos rule our borders. Yep makes a lot of sense. Wait-I thought you were against immigration, not in favour of open borders?

          By the way, where are these actual jobs going to come from? Have you got a brilliant idea that will create thousands of new jobs? Or are you going to retrain all the workers in the government departments you hate? Where’s that money meant to coem from?

          I know, things are so much simpler when you shout them at random people you met on the internet. Damn thinking-it ruins everything, doesn’t it?

          “Fuckers that can’t speak english can farkin live under a farkin bridge- no more interpreting services.”

          Where, presumably, they’ll be meeting with the interpreters who no longer have work thanks to your ideas. Congratulations-you’ve just recorded a record level of unemployment in Australia-you’re the worst hypothetical Prime Minister in History!

          And before you say, “I don’t care about unemployment”-what do you think people who, as you have said, have to live under a bridge, will do? Will they happily starve to death on the streets? Or will they become desperate, willing to do anything to survive?
          So we’ll have a lower standard of living, a lower life expectancy, and a higher crime rate, alongside our record unemployment rate? Wow-for a guy who states he loves Australia, he seems determined to destroy it.

          “The majority support multiculturalism do they?
          Well, I’m learning news things everyday.”

          Yep, they do, as state the following studies:
          http://www.sbs.com.au/aboutus/corporate/view/id/107/h/Living-Diversity From 2002
          http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/parlsec/media/media-releases/2009/lf09044.htm From 2009

          Also, isn’t it funny that any anti-multiculturalism party, when running on a national level has gotten, at absolute best, 9% of the vote-leaving over 90% of Australians who aren’t stridently anti-multiculturalism?

          Do you have any evidence that suggest the majority of Australians object to multiculturalism? I mean, apart from you, and your two mates state (Three people is not representative). Let me guess, you’re not here to provide evidence to support your beliefs, you’re here to yell and shout and beat your chest.

          Anyway, as I asked previously shouldn’t it be people like me, who support multiculturalism, who are telling you to “fit in or fuck off”? Majority rules, right-that’s democracy? Or are you against that too?

          Not that I would of course, I love diversity

  23. I couldn’t give a flying fuck if Muslims are offended.

    I’d say you’re dirty at the media attention this has gained. And the lack of attention you’ve managed to garner.

    Folkes & Redegali have proven a point, that these garments are a security issue. They entered banks without being asked to remove their burkas, whereas this is req. for people wearing helmets. There should be no special exceptions, for Muslim non- integratables

    • They proved a point did they?

      Did they commit any crimes while they were in there?

      Why do you want to wear your motorcycle helmet into a bank Grant? Most blokes I know who ride can’t wait to take the fucker off.

    • Yes Grant “Folkes,Redegali and other losers like yourself have proven a point, the point they have proven they have not provided evidence that Burqa are a security issue.

      All they have provided is evidence is they are a bunch of idiots and Low Life’s who has what is known as Paranoid personality disorder and are too gutless to accept others asking them for evidence.

      Now fuck off, you fellow sandpit idiots are waiting.

    • Grant would you give a flying fuck and be offended if a perv like Serigo walk into women toilet dress in a Burqa with your girlfriend, wife, sister, daughter, mother etc etc inside?

    • So Grant are you saying you wouldn’t be offended, if Serigo the prev walked into a women toilet with your wife, girlfriend, sister etc etc inside?

        • And Grant , the perv actually admitted in public on Sydney Radio that he went in a women toilet.

          So are you saying you with the perv?

          Also you say “Fuckers that can’t speak english can farkin live under a farkin bridge” so why don’t you read your own pile of shit that proves you cannot write English and proves you and Serigo need to fuck off under a bridge.

    • “I’d say you’re dirty at the media attention this has gained. And the lack of attention you’ve managed to garner.”

      And I’d say your dirty that despite being on national TV many times, including Today tonight, the APP, the party which supports these campaigns, fails to ever get anywhere near elected to anything. Council-loses. State-loses. Federal-oh so loses. Worst still, they’re always outnumbered in votes by the far left socialist alliance party (Which is hardly popular!).

      So….Australia doesn’t like your views. It doesn’t like your beliefs. So who are you to tell anyone “Fit into our culture or fuck off”-when it’s your values and beliefs that are not representative of the majority?

      “Folkes & Redegali have proven a point, that these garments are a security issue. They entered banks without being asked to remove their burkas, ”

      So, when did wearing a motorcycle helmet become part of a person’s religion? And when have burqas ever presented a security risk in Australia (An actual risk, not jsut “A possible risk at some point in the future-as all things could have a “possible risk in the future)

      And most of all….what positive effect will come from banning the burqa? what will actuallty be made better? Or are you just in the mood for punishing women who are Muslim, because they’re easier to target than the men? Really macho guy you are. Sound like the sort of guy who’d go around punching muslim women if he thought he could get away with it.

  24. No need to commit crimes, the Muslims have got that one covered.

    “Why do you want to wear your motorcycle helmet into a bank Grant?”

    Why indeed?. & why wear a burka? One law for all. no exceptions,.

    • Why do people in wheelchairs get to ride into the pub but I can’t ride my bicycle in then?

      Please cite evidence regarding the number of crimes committed by Muslim women wearing burqas in Australia.

      Kthanxbai

    • I reckon there’s a bit of a difference between a motorcycle helmet and a burqa in that you wear a helmet for riding and a burqa is more of a wear all the time kind of thing. Burqa seems to have a religious/cultural significance too whereas I don’t know of any religion/culture that values wearing a helmet all the time and having to take it off might be a drama.

      Having said that I don’t know a whole lot about burqas or even helmets so I’ll leave that one open to comment I suppose.

      The other thing as seems to have been pointed out (and fair enough seems to me) is there’s not a whole epidemic or anything of people robbing banks wearing burqas so I guess that might be why banks don’t stress too much about it. Maybe if it was happening all the time it might be different.

      My other comment would be four golden words SPELL CHECK PROOF READ. C’mon guys, just about every browser has spell check built right in and proof reading just seems like common sense.

      Oh just one more on ‘Aussie culture’… pretty hard to define and all but I reckon TOLERANCE would have to be in there somewhere. Marginalising people just for wearing a burqa seems pretty pathetic to me. Kind of like people who get raging mad when people speak a language they don’t understand in public ‘cos we should all speak English. That’s just a shit attitude I reckon.

      If it makes you feel dumb ‘cos you don’t understand and you have to get angry then GO LEARN A SECOND FUCKING LANGUAGE. Bet if you were overseas and with a group of Aussies you’d be pretty happy and proud to talk in your native tongue.

      Happy, proud, tolerant. I’d hope that would be considered part of Aussie culture.

    • It’s actually pretty funny to see you go on and on pretending this has anything to do with banks or their security arrangements.

      The amount of intellectual dishonesty you guys demonstrate on a daily basis is truly breathtaking.

      LIARS.

    • Grant must be another one of Marg (Faker in many ways) Toyboy, as not once did he complain about her using a fake name especially on Facebook or wearing a flag and sunglasses to hide.

    • No need to worry about Non-Islam Groups committing crime like ETA, IRA, Japanese Red Army etc etc

      As Grant doesn’t give a fuck.

      • The IRA are in Australia? Fuck me, I never knew that.

        Another attempt to create an argument, but don’t worry, we haven’t got enough criminals of our own, so we’ll just keep importing more Muslims.

        • So just to be clear, Grant thinks we should penalise all Muslims, and ban all Muslim immigration because the action of terrorists overseas.

          Why stop there? Surely we should ban all white men in Australia because of the actions of Ivan Milat, Martin Bryant, etc as well?

          No-sorry, that’s racist to Grant, isn’t it? Prejudicial to judge a person on their skin colour when it’s white. when it’s not white, Grant thinks you shoudl feel free to judge away!

  25. “Anonymity, the last and only refuge of the coward” like those racists hiding behind many fake names especially on Facebook?

    As all we know Nick or Grant might not be their real name.

    • And you post under you’re real name do you?

      Folkes & Redegalli have both been upfront with their stance unlike you bitches.

      Lets have a sing a long shall we: Sing to the tune of Kumbaya:

      Lets kiss Muslim ass kumbaya
      Lets kiss foreign ass kumbaya
      Lets tlak shit all day kumbaya
      Oh Lord Kumbaya

      • We love it when the haters like you get angry.

        Why don’t you keep photos of your two idols on an iconostasis so you can kiss their arses each day?

        Poor impulse control + paranoia – looks great on a public forum and says everything about your “movement”.

        😀

      • Grant, just to be clear, who would you allow in Australia? You seem to have a problem with all foreigners, so who would be allowed to remain? Aborigines only-or do you have a special definition of Australian that allows you to no longer count them in Australia?

        • Come on, Grant, answer the question. Prove to me your a man and not just a rabid dog who needs to be taken to the vet:

          Grant, just to be clear, who would you allow in Australia? You seem to have a problem with all foreigners, so who would be allowed to remain? Aborigines only-or do you have a special definition of Australian that allows you to no longer count them in Australia?

        • Others like kissing foreign a hoof like animal?

          Kinky Grant, get out much on Friday?

          I think you meant arse Grant and yes your own comments proves you kiss a lot of arses.

          How is Marg (Faker)?

        • Asked again, for the third time:
          Grant, just to be clear, who would you allow in Australia? You seem to have a problem with all foreigners, so who would be allowed to remain? Aborigines only-or do you have a special definition of Australian that allows you to no longer count them in Australia?

        • His lot don’t even like Aborigines. After all, people with attitudes like Niqi’s Grant’s were responsible for wiping out almost all Tasmanian Aboriginal people and a large number of Indigenous people on the mainland and in the islands.

    • Are you suggesting, because you have mentioned it a couple of times, that Nick Folkes and Sergio Redegalli are not their real names?

      Grant may not be his real name agreed, but implying that about Sergio and Nick seems a bit daft!

        • The idea that Nick and Sergio are using an alias is daft but nowhere near as daft as your ideas on multiculturalism!

        • Absolutely, half my family is Italian. I’m sure not going to ask them to leave. There is plenty of room for all types of people here.
          Are you trying to prove I’m racist by catching me out with some kind of quote? You’ll be waiting for a while!

    • “Google “Melbourne Celtic Club”

      And while you’re at it check out the activities of the Chetniks and the Ustasha in Australia.”

      Bugger me, you’re fount of knowlegde aren’t you.

      & how many arrests of the aforementioned groups have occurred?

      Celtics? fuck me, now i’m farkin scared.

  26. In reading his comments, I guess GAMA is for the racists mentioned above and many more?

    Oh well you cannot help stupidity?

    • Hey, RH, can we lay off GAMA? I know you don’t like him because he’s conservative. But while I don’t agree with everything he says, and am certainly going to vote differently from him in the next election, he’s not a supporter of the racists who spew hatred here.

      We gotta be careful not to become that which we despise. One thing I always found hilarious about racist political parties is that one of the reasons why they never succeed is that they hate each other far more than they hate anyone else, even if they agree on 99.99999% of issues. Let’s not go the same way as them and hate an anti-racist because he’s not from the same political wing as us.

    • No, I do not support racism in anyway, shape or form. I find it disgusting. Considering I come from a migrant family, i have dual citizenship and that about 90% of my customers are foreigners, I’d have to be a complete Ass Hat to be racist! Most of you probably think I’m that anyway but as Yosemite Sam says, “I y’am what I y’am!”. You might be surprised about who I vote for JM my vote will depend on one very selfish issue, which party will provide the best ongoing therapeutic, educational and financial support for children with Autism and their parents. I don’t care if that’s Labor, Liberal or Green. What I want to see from any government is for them to stop wasting billions of our tax dollars on detaining refugees, bungled schemes or mismanagement. If they can do that and direct that money to all the people in Australia who really need help then they will get my vote.

      • And community processing of refugees and asylum seekers would save millions, perhaps billions, which could then be used for children with autism and other worthy causes.

        • Absolutely MMU. It amazes me that all these people who whinge that the government doesn’t help pensioners and “Aussies” who need it, are happy to see our tax dollars flushed down the toilet locking up people who have done nothing wrong and have broken no laws!

        • Question is which town or suburb would be the best place for community processing, maybe country towns who are calling for more residents?

      • If there were no boats there would be no detainees.

        & no bills to pay.

        This will no doubt add to the size of the coming slaughter at the Federal polls.

        • So what would you do to prevent boats coming to Australia, Grant? Shoot at them, killing unarmed women and children? Is that your plan?

      • Apologies, GAMA. I made an incorrect assumption on your voting preference. Sometimes we get so caught up in the false dichotomy of left wing/right wing, we can forget that people might care for particular issues of importance rather that cheering for their “team”

        • Also I would not say sorry to someone who is doing the very same thing they claim I am doing for example abuse and name calling, even those they claim they are not doing it, but their own rants proves otherwise.

          So from this I am not wasting my time and effort replying to someone like GAMA.

        • RH-you don’t need to be best friends or anything, but let’s all of us save the name calling and vitriol for the total racist bogan knuckle draggers around here.

          At the very least, if you use up all your anger on someone who supports multiculturalism, supports fairer processing of asylum seekers, you won’t have any energy left when the likes of Scott, Nick, or currently, Grant pop up and say “Hello”, of more likely knowing them “Farrrrrrrrk, farrkity faarrrrk farrrk Muslim faaaarrrrk slightly homoerotic insult farrrrrrk”

  27. As for APP doing poorly at elections, look at what just happened in Queensland, with the far left ( that would be you fucker) getting zero seats, in fact the Green filth went backwards. The lesser of the left filth ( the ALP) was obliterated.

    On the other hand Katters party got three seats.

    Soon the red bitch will be gone, & will be missed by no one except the Newtown mob.

    • So, just to be clear, the Labour party having a poor showing in one election, after being in power for 20 out of 22 years, demonstrates a poorer showing than APP having a poor result in every single election they have ever run, ever, and never being elected to anything? Is that right?
      Are you honestly telling us that the APP is doing better in elections than either the Greens or Labor? Is that what you really believe?

      Electoral cycles are cycles for a reason. One party goes up, the other falls. This has always been the way for Labour, and has always been the way for the Liberals too. They have their successes, and their failures.

      The APP, on the other hand, is just fail-fail-fail-fail, and fail again.

      • At least the Qld Labor Party had achievements to be judged and for the majority of their tenure in office the people of Queensland approved. What has the APP achieved apart from a bit of pathetic, cross-dressing, tv publicity? How can you even consider yourselves a political party when the majority of Australians have never heard of you?

    • So Niqi since Serigo lives in Newtown are you saying he votes for Gillard and NSW Labor?

      This is good the truth comes out finally!!!!!

      • He votes labor?

        Surely you jest.

        I’m not in the business of putting words in peoples mouths heaven forbid, but I believe he regards Fatty O’Barrel as a soft ****

        I’d personallyregard O Farrel as a Muslim arse kisser.

        • This is what I love about the crazy APP. They think they’re the voice of the majority but think all major parties, Labor and Libs, are against everything they believe in! And the best thing, for we anti-racists, is that no matter who wins the election-the APP loses!

          So please, Grant, tell us why you think the majority of Australians are against Muslims, immigration, multiculturalism, etc, considering whenever a party goes forward on an anti-immigration platform they have, at best, receives less than 10% of the vote (Leaving 90+% of people who are against an anti-immigration party)?

  28. JM permalink

    April 5, 2012 1:32 pm

    Come on, Grant, answer the question. Prove to me your a man and not just a rabid dog who needs to be taken to the vet:

    Grant, just to be clear, who would you allow in Australia?”

    I’d vouch for a policy as that of Geert Wilders, verbatim.

  29. “are happy to see our tax dollars flushed down the toilet locking up people who have done nothing wrong and have broken no laws!”

    No just them straight in & let them fill up the jails instead.

    There was a policy that prevented all this, & that was the pacific solution, because the fuckers knew they’d be stuck on Nauru for years & years, no centrelink etc, surprise surprise three boats a year instead of 3 per week, that we have now, thanks to the red bitch & the Ruddster & green scum. $1 billion a year. naturally you’d be pleased with yourselves over this debacle.

      • $1 bn? Really? Stats? A genuine refugee? Really?, after they had destroyed their papers, and the boards who assess their claims are handpicked lefty do gooders, ‘human’ rights fuckers & other bleeding heart a holes.

        & in the case of the Rudd regime sock puppets of the Ruddster.

        • Nick, as I’ve asked you and several other APP members:

          If an asylum seeker can be let through without any security checks, any verification of their details, any examination of their testimony, with everything accepted at face value…when then do some asylum seekers get rejected? The way you’ve written it it would be an open and shut case for everyone?

          By the way, when your family was fleeing Russia-were the people who accepted them “leftie do-gooders”? Or are only white people allowed to flee from persecution?

    • “There was a policy that prevented all this, & that was the pacific solution, because the fuckers knew they’d be stuck on Nauru for years & years, no centrelink etc, surprise surprise three boats a year instead of 3 per week, that we have now, thanks to the red bitch & the Ruddster & green scum. $1 billion a year. naturally you’d be pleased with yourselves over this debacle.”

      Ah, Grant, you’ve really drunk all the APP Kool-aid, haven’t you?

      Let me tell you what happened to the Pacific solution. Firstly, it was overpriced-we all know this. Or are you actually telling me it’s cheaper for Australia to pay for asylum seekers to go to another country, where we pay for all the buildings, import all the food and water, and give a hefty bribe to the government to accept processing, and then when they’re found to be refugees (And over 90% were), they’re allowed into the country anyway-you’re telling me that is cheaper than processing in Australia?

      Secondly, it prevented any long term settlement. Detention in general damages people. And Patrick McGorry said, detention centres are a breeding ground of mental illness. Even when people have their protection visas, the mental illness stays, preventing the new residents from working, or settling in the community.

      So, you’re in favour of a system that costs a lot more, damages people who want to intergrate, and results in the asylum seekers who have been damaged still being accepte into Australia in the long run…because you think it lowers total number? Even though the number lowered across the world around the same time?

  30. Grant is very hard to understand at the best of times but with the following is he ranting again or asking a question, even those his kind feel they don’t have to answer other people questions, like “What is Australian Culture?”

    Well when you have a mouth full of shit.

    “Define multiculturalism”

  31. GOING BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THIS BLOG 😀 :people have a right to their own opinion, thats fine. But the men in this video made a mockery of muslim women who wear a burqa. Full stop. They believe in this “freedom” yet they criticise what some muslims wear. What about the women who CHOOSE to put on the burqa? I think the “message” these men portrayed would be shit to those women.

    By the bye, did someone mention the White Australia Policy? seriously, get over it.

    • The men made a mockery of muslim women?

      What are you saying, that they are above being ridiculed?

      Oh dear, those poor widdle darwings. Their feelings may have been hurt. Sniff sniff, oh my, where’s my tissue. in plenty of Muslim countries they have to wear the niqab or even a burqa for their own safety.

      In Iran the religious police inforce wearing of the hijab. Agree, or disagree?

      As such , we’ll maintain our right to campaign to have niqabs & burkas banned.

      Muslims do not come to Australia to integrate they come here for the economic advantages that Australia offers.

      Immigrants integrate, or return to a Muslim country where sharia is already in place.

      • Wait, Nick, we have to answer your questions now? But you still haven’t answered a single one of mine. So let’s go again:

        A) how exactly will the APP help the economy? Because all your policies, so far, seem to be “Shout at a brown person until the problem goes away”.

        B)-You have said publically that a large proportion of Insight, particularly comments that were racist and anti-white Australia were cut. In particular you stated Sachin Joab was particularly racist in comments that did not make it to screen. Could you please elaborate on these comments, describing what you saw?

        C)-You describe a howard voter as a mad leftie. Who, in this world today, woudl you actually consider a conservative?

        D)-You say you’re fine with immigration if it involves assimilation. What exactly do you mean by that? How does a migrant, from Russia, China, the Middle East, or anywhere else assimilate tothe degree that satisfies you?

        E)-You also say you’re fine with immigration (Which, on it’s own is quite surprising ans you’ve previously said the country is full), if it’s from a compatible culture. Please tell me what makes a culture compatible with Australia, and what makes them incompatbile. Unless it’s just a matter of “White is compatible, all other colours aren’t”-in which case why don’t you just be honest and say that on national TV?

        And here’s a new one: What will banning the niqab or the burqa achieve, apart from punishing women? Unless that’s what you want to do-punsih women because the’yre an easier target for a brave man like yourself to go after?

        • A) Exactly how will the far left assist Australia? Just import hostile minority groups until the cultural majority goes away?

          B) I said nothing of the sort address that to Folkes.

          C) The woman in question endorses what I already said that the liberal party is full of small ‘L ‘ liberals.

          D) I back the full dismantling of multicultural doctrine as is currently enshrined in gov. policy. The rest will follow. Immigrants can ‘celebrate’ their cultures all they like, but not on my time or on my tax dollars, or Harmony day bullshit, free interpreters, multilingual signs, & kissing the arses of immigrants, that are only here to take advantage of that; which others set up. etc.

          E) Is Islam compatible with Australia? Is sharia law compatible? Forced marriages,? Honour killings? Ethnic crime? FGM?Putting curtains up at public swimming pools for Muslim women? Separate WCs for Muslim supremicists at universities? Special prayer rooms at universities for Muslims? Saudi funding of Islamic places of worship? Animal cruelty via halal slaughter? Special demands made by Islamic bodies ( Ikbat Patel) for accomodation of sharia law.

          F) Yawn. Banning the niqab sends out a message that symbols of non integration will not be tolerated. Muslim chauvinists that force women to wear niqabs etc will be dealt with under new legislation. It is not about punishing Muslim women. It’s a Muslim problem, it is an Islamic problem & as you know, I don’t give a fuck about a group of religious freaks that the likes of you are responsible for importing.

        • A) The far left doesn’t import hostile minority groups. The far left defends minority groups from being labelled as hostile. A community of people that is denigrated and constantly referred to as hostile will more likely become hostile at a result of said denigration.

          Despite the zillions of opportunities to carry out terrorist activity in Australia over the past 220 years, there have been none. Far wing nutjob party offices would probably be the first target if there was any such attack.

          B) You talking to Folkes? LOL

          C) Was Howard a mad lefty? Immigration was very high while he was in power.

          D) Monocultural immigration policy was already dismantled, do you remember?

          E) You are so so scared. None of this ever happens in Australia, and never will. And in regards to prayer rooms and Winter swimming lessons for women only – how do these directly affect ANYONE?

          F) Muslim chauvinists who force women to do anything are already dealt with under Australian law. As our non-Muslim chauvinists.

        • Stop reading so much Andrew Bolt. Just beacause someone has a differing opinion doesn’t make them “the far left” or “mad lefties” as Money Shot Folkes would put it.

          Simpletons.

          Did you know that, in your “Aussie culture”, men can expose their chests in public but women cannot. I believe we must fight this oppression of women by banning bras.

          Makes sense when you put it that way, doesn’t it.

      • Buddy im not talking about the muslims who immigrate to z, im talking about muslims who are actually BORN in Australia. It’s their country too and shouldnt be treated as if this is not their home. Dont be a moron.

  32. Serigo and his Burqa wearing mates should do research on NSW Laws especially to see wearing an Burqa into an women toilet is against The Law.

    SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT 1988 – SECT 4

    Offensive conduct
    4 Offensive conduct

    (1) A person must not conduct himself or herself in an offensive manner in or near, or within view or hearing from, a public place or a school.
    Maximum penalty: 6 penalty units or imprisonment for 3 months.
    (2) A person does not conduct himself or herself in an offensive manner as referred to in subsection (1) merely by using offensive language.
    (3) It is a sufficient defence to a prosecution for an offence under this section if the defendant satisfies the court that the defendant had a reasonable excuse for conducting himself or herself in the manner alleged in the information for the offence.

      • The 1988 Act is still in force. Of course living in the past as you are you probably think RH was referring to the notorious Askin version.

        The Act was amended in 1988 by the Greiner Government.

      • Now as I got the information from a current site Niqi faker.

        But if you got your head from your arse and done any research you would have known this.

  33. Some claim women are forced to wear The Burqa without evidence.

    But hold on by pushing for women not to be allowed to wear The Burqa, aren’t you forcing women yourself not to wear The Burqa?

  34. And if Serigo had any common sense, he would have know what he was doing was also morally wrong.

    Because how would he like it, if someone else done the same thing, if his female family members was in the toilet, would he be offended?

  35. A) The far left doesn’t import hostile minority groups? Both major parties do. You’re in denial. You ignore their source texts & their doctrine of the ‘other’. .

    B) Yawn.

    C) Howard, on the multiculturalism issue did little of any use, but was still better than the leftists.

    D) I wasn’t talking about immigration policy. I was talking about multiculturalism, two different things.

    E) None of this stuff happens in Australia? . Again, you’re in full denial. Four corners just devoted a whole program on forced marriages- in Australia. Even the mad leftists at the ABC are onto it.

    F) As for chauvinists. specific legislation needs to be put in place ,as we have seen on issues such as in item ‘E ‘.

    • So I asked 6 questions. You have failed to answer any of them. Let’s go through this again.

      A) I asked what the APP is going to do to assist in the Australian economy. You asked what the far left is going to do. Answering a question with a question is not an answer. Try again

      B) I have tried and will try to ask Folkes in the future, but he. like you, has an aversion to answering questions. Why do you think that is?

      C) I asked who exactly you consider right wing or conservative in the world today. You said “The liberal party are all lefties”-that is also not an answer, try again.

      D) I ask how exactly you would have migrants assimilate. You say “Immigrants can ‘celebrate’ their cultures all they like, but not on my time or on my tax dollars,”
      What on earth does that mean? People are allowed to have a Greek or Vietnamese culture, but not when they’re at work? Grigor Papadoupolous has to become Greg Smith from 9-5?
      And please tell me what you plan to do with all the unemployed interpreters that your plans would put out of work.

      E) I asked what exaclty makes a culture compatible or incompatible with Australian culture. You go on about how much you hate Islam. That is not an answer. Again, what specific things make a culture incompatible or compatible with Australian culture?

      F) “Banning the niqab sends out a message that symbols of non integration will not be tolerated.”

      Great, and who will be directly effected by this banning? The men, or the women who wear these clothes? Any woman who feels uncomfortable walking outside without a niqab0will she suddenly be liberated by being forced to remove it-or feel persecuted?

      “Muslim chauvinists that force women to wear niqabs etc will be dealt with under new legislation.”

      How exactly will that legislation work? How do you prove that someone has been forced to wear something?
      How do you investigate it? Do police burst into every Muslim’s house to quickly check their wardrobe?
      If it’s banned and people aren’t leaving their homes because they’re not wearing a niqab, how do you prove that someone is being forced to stay in doors?

      “It is not about punishing Muslim women. ”

      Except the only people harmed by it wil be Muslim women. And that’s because their eaier, more identifiable targets.
      Please tell me specifically how banning the niqab will in any way punish muslim men.

  36. “Despite the zillions of opportunities to carry out terrorist activity in Australia over the past 220 years, there have been none.”

    Incorrect:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

    The Battle of Broken Hill otherwise known as the Broken Hill Massacre, was a fatal incident which took place near Broken Hill, New South Wales, Australia on 1 January 1915. Two Muslim men shot dead four people and wounded seven more, before being killed by police and military officers. While the attack was politically and religiously inspired, as declared by the perpetrators in notes, the men were not members of any sanctioned armed force. The two men were later identified as being Muslims from the British colony of India, modern day Pakistan.[1][2]

    Plus one attempt after the other in recent years. Costing squillons $ in police time, court time, & jail time.

    • Ohhhh you’re too funny!

      Terrorist activity is when two MUSLIM men use a gun. But when the people using guns are NOT-MUSLIM it’s just regular homicide.

      Correct?

      Okay, you’ve explained the terrorist cell that is two dudes from Broken Hill. Ready to explain why the other 299,998 Muslims haven’t yet committed terrorism?

      Nick Folkes

    • So Grant, who has killed more people in Australia in the last century-the entire Muslim population of Australia, or Martin Bryant?

    • By all accounts, it appears that the motivations for the massacre were political and personal. ‘Islamic ideology’ was certainly not the primary motivation – they did not kill these people because they had violated Islamic principles.

      From the article:

      Mullah Abdullah said in his last letter that he was dying for his faith and in obedience to the order of the Sultan, “but owing to my grudge against Chief Sanitary Inspector Brosnan it was my intention to kill him first.”

      and

      They also fashioned a home-made Ottoman flag which they flew

      The “faith” was really just a part of the Ottoman ethos. This is not uncommon in history, considering that religion was one of the earliest forms of a rallying cry, and was in fact one of the main foundations of the Ottoman empire itself – their whole structure mirrored the Byzantine Empire of the Middle Ages.

      It was only in the twentieth century that political ideology began overtaking religion as a cornerstone of militaristic expansionism.

      Interestingly, public ire in the aftermath of the incident was directed against ‘enemy aliens’ – Austrians, Germans and Turks – and not the Muslim community.

      So I call bullshit on your claim.

  37. The Muslim population.

    The issue is not who killed more, this is about Islamic ideology.

    “Good to know that not a single Muslim has murdered a white person in this country for 97 years.” More denial.

    There has been plenty of killings & plenty of rapes.

    • You saying “plenty of” does not constitute factual evidence.

      Until you provide irrefutable factual evidence from respectable sources (cut-and-paste from “Robert Spencer”, Werner Reimann or other haters does not qualify), until you provide irrefutable factual evidence relevant to Australia and not something from failed states or countries riven by civil war then your utterances are the dribble of shit from your sewer of hate.

      And we continue to regard you as someone who is only allowed to post here so our contributors can tear you to pieces. We have no respect for your political position and nothing but contempt for your obvious hatred of minorities.

      Don’t like it, don’t come here.

    • “There has been plenty of killings & plenty of rapes.”

      So why didn’t you use these as examples of Muslim terrorism. It seems all a Muslim needs to do is double park to be classed as a terrorist in your books.

      You’re clutching at straws here Grant, getting desperate and making yourself look like a bit of a dumbarse.

    • You IDIOT.

      Muslims who read the Quran don’t all rape and kill.
      Catholics who read the Bible don’t all restrain from raping and killing.

      Can we REALLY say that a holy book accurately and without fail dictates how a person will end up behaving?

    • “The Muslim population.”

      Prove it. Martin Bryant killed 35 people in a single day. You’ve so far shown Muslim people killing 4 people almost 100 years ago.

      I think you know you’re wrong here though, which is why your next comment states:

      “The issue is not who killed more, this is about Islamic ideology.”

      But it is about who killed more! If a group has killed more people, surely they are a bigger threat. So far it seems that the entire Muslim population of Australia has thus far been dangerous that one caucasian Australian-so why are you worried?

      And asking you again, have you ever actually met and talked with a Muslim in real life?

      Other question you’ve ignored:
      A) So please, Grant, tell us why you think the majority of Australians are against Muslims, immigration, multiculturalism, etc, considering whenever a party goes forward on an anti-immigration platform they have, at best, receives less than 10% of the vote (Leaving 90+% of people who are against an anti-immigration party)?

      B) So what would you do to prevent boats coming to Australia, Grant? Shoot at them, killing unarmed women and children? Is that your plan?

      C) Define Australian culture. After all, you can’t say what won’t fit into Australia if you can’t define what does, and you can’t state what Australian culture isn’t if you can’t define what it is?

      D) Grant, what would a burqa ban actually achieve? What good would it do? Because I don’t like the burqa either, be glad to see it gone-but banning it will do nothing but punish women for being Muslim.

      E) why would we need to restrict the liberties of Australians to protect against terrorism, when the security forces are already doing enough to curtail it?

      F) you want to get rid of multiculturalism now, do you? So what are we going to do with the large Greek, large Italian, large Vietnamese, Chinese and Aboriginal population in Australia?

      G) Grant, just to be clear, who would you allow in Australia? You seem to have a problem with all foreigners, so who would be allowed to remain?

      • A) Such parties will always exist & be in place when things deteriorate as they have, in places such as the Netherlands where Geert Wilders now hold the balance of power.

        B) Well, fuck knuckle, address that to your pin up girl Gillard who dismantled a policy that stopped the boats.

        C). Why don’t you define it smart arse. And one more time for the dummies I stated Islamic ideology is incompatible with Australian values.

        D)That is your opinion not mine.

        E) No practising muslim is an Australian

        F) As usual u clueless git, multiculturalism is not synonymous with racial diversity.

        G) I have already stated my policy is that of Geert Wilders,. Where immigration of Muslims is terminated.

        “Until you provide irrefutable factual evidence from respectable sources (cut-and-paste from “Robert Spencer”, Werner Reimann or other haters does not qualify),”

        Oh goody, I’ll just grab my copy of the Green Left weekly- or should I log onto the Socialist Alliance website? & just like your mate Bob Brown, anyone that disagrees with you is a hater. LOL Get out of your groupthink mindset and your lefty self admiration club & get a life.

        “And we continue to regard you as someone who is only allowed to post here so our contributors can tear you to pieces. We have no respect for your political position and nothing but contempt for your obvious hatred of minorities.

        Don’t like it, don’t come here.”

        Tear me to pieces? Frankly, you’re so fucking clueless the only tearing is in your own deluded mind. No respect for me? Fuck me dead, now I’m hurt.

        Oh, by the way Sergio called me & he was expecting a ‘big’ protest from you commie fuckers today.

        Looks like another epic fail. from the Socialist Alliance or who ever the fuck you are.

        • a) The APP holding the balance of power? Ha! Folkes can’t even get 10% of what the Socialist Alliance picked up, and Hodges has been discarded due to his diagnosed body odour problem, his mustard shirt and one tie combinations, his history as a sex shop worker and his immensely low popularity based on unpopular and irrational policy declarations.

          b) Avoiding the question… Should we expect any better from you, Niqi?

          c) Avoiding the question… Should we expect any better from you, Niqi?

          d) Avoiding the question… Should we expect any better from you, Niqi?

          e) I thought it wasn’t racist to abuse a Muslim, now you’re suggesting that Muslims only hail from foreign countries? Or are you only saying that because you can’t define Australian culture beyond saying ‘not Muslim’? Failfest galore here, Niqi.

          f) Without being able to define ‘Australian culture’, you are in no position to describe ‘multiculturalism’. Because Australia has been described by many sources as being a multicultural nation due to the high percentage of citizens who were either born overseas or have relatives who were born overseas (see racial diversity).

          g) Firstly, have you looked at the top contributing countries in regards to Australia’s migrant intake? Please tell me which of the top 14 countries are dominantly Muslim countries. Secondly, how are you going to prevent Muslims from coming in? They have to DECLARE that they’re Muslim to be told not to come in. If they know that Muslims aren’t allowed to migrate here, what’s stopping them from pretending to be of another faith?

          “Get out of your groupthink mindset and your lefty self admiration club & get a life.”

          LOL get a life? Groupthink mindset? Your basing your entire life’s work on an irrational fear. It’s irrational because there is no precedence of Islamic take-over or destruction or eroding of ‘way of life’ (that you cannot describe) despite Muslims being welcome here for over 200 years.
          Are you scared of drop-bears? We scare tourists for a laugh quite often with stories of bears that drop from trees – and how many of them give that concerned, holy-shit-it-could-happen face? Yet, how many drop bears have actually fallen from trees onto unsuspecting campers?

          Your entire irrational fear, unsubstantiated.

          “Tear me to pieces? Frankly, you’re so fucking clueless the only tearing is in your own deluded mind. No respect for me? Fuck me dead, now I’m hurt.”

          What points have you managed to prove so far fuckhead? That we MIGHT be invaded? That we MIGHT be bombed? That terrorists MIGHT attack us somehow? That our laws MIGHT be changed and that Muslims MIGHT take over? Is that it? Every time you fucking post here you tear yourself to pieces with your own blind stupidity!

          “Oh, by the way Sergio called me & he was expecting a ‘big’ protest from you commie fuckers today.”

          Sergio didn’t call you, you were with him on the roof! LOL! And who’s laughing? The three bored police officers? Nope. The Channel 7 news crew? Nope. Your collective fuckwit brigade that wasted a lovely Sydney day camping out on the roof of Sergio’s love shack with your JVCs? Nope. ROFLMFAO at you all!

        • Oh, by the way Sergio called his ‘friend’ Grant & he was expecting another small protest from you racists losers.

          LOL

        • I ask the question, you answer something else that’s not actually an answer. I’ll go again:

          A) So please, Grant, tell us why you think the majority of Australians are against Muslims, immigration, multiculturalism, etc, considering whenever a party goes forward on an anti-immigration platform they have, at best, receives less than 10% of the vote (Leaving 90+% of people who are against an anti-immigration party)? I was asking for proof that the majority of Australians side with your view.
          You instead talking about a psrty in the Netherlands. I’m sorry, did Australia suddenly become part of the Netherlands?

          b) I asked what you would do to stop the boats. You instead talked about Julia Gillard.
          II’m sorry, are you Julia Gillard? Because I’m pretty sure I asked YOU what YOU would do, not what Julia Gillard has done!

          C) “And one more time for the dummies I stated Islamic ideology is incompatible with Australian values.”

          Cool give examples of what Australian values are, why Islamic values are incompatible with them.

          D) I asked what a burqa ban would achieve, pointing out I couldn’t see a single positive feature of such a ban. You said “That’s your opinion”-yet are unable to say what a positive effect was of such a ban.

          E) I ask why we should restrict the liberties of Australians in order to effect a terrorist threat that is already more than taken care of by the security forces.
          You say no Muslim is Australian. Cool-so you have a different definition of Australian compared to the country-so let us know, what to you is an Australian. Give us a definition that keeps out Waleed Aly, but keeps in Ivan Milat, go ahead.

          F) I ask what do you intend to do if you get rid of multiculturalism with the large Greek, Italian, Vietnamese etc communities. You say you’re not against multi-racialism.

          But you know what, Grant, guess what Greeks and Italians, and Vietnamese, etc, have as well as their own race. They have their own culture! And so I repeat-what would happen to them under your idea of getting rid of multiculturalism.

          G) I ask about what your opinion on immigration would be. You said “No Muslims”-so that’s it? Everyone else is allowed in? But what about your criticism in foreigners in general-you’re not being consistent.

          I asked six questions, you at best answered none of them! That’s an achievement. How do you even fill out forms, as it seems you don’t answer questions, you just answer what you wish the question was? Even if someone asks your name you’d probably come up with the answer “I hate Muslims”.

          And all that, you had time to ignore some questions too!

          H) So far it seems that the entire Muslim population of Australia has thus far been dangerous that one caucasian Australian-so why are you worried?

          I) And asking you again, have you ever actually met and talked with a Muslim in real life?

  38. Yep, another epic fail from the Socialist Alliance, completely fucked, a no show. LOL. This’d be one of your worst yet.

    • Actually, if you rooftop morons had done your research, you’d have found that the event had been cancelled several days prior.

      But why not get together and have a circle-fap together, showing each other your tatts and such. Who cares if some inbred brought along his 12 year old daughter for show and tell?

      Next time, know your shit. I know that having your head in the game isn’t that important to you, but seeing as though the event was cancelled several days before you decided to award yourselves a victory for wasting police and media time, you’ve actually managed to make yourselves look even more stupid, despite nobody thinking that was at all possible.

    • Yep another epic fail from a complete idiot, loser etc etc who has no fucken clue and no fucken evidence to his claims and much BS.

      How he should stick up his head up his arse to see how full of shit he is.

    • Sorry, this is relevant to what?

      As a side note – no behaviour within this story and report are condoned but isn’t it interesting to see that the initial high school brawl was started here:

      A 14-year-old student said that she was “jumped” on Wednesday afternoon by “10 Australian girls” who punched, kicked, scratched and spat at her.

      “They were saying, ‘f … Arabs’, ‘you bitch’, ‘you slut’ – everything. They said all Muslim mums with scarves can hang themselves with it,” the student said.

      Keep trying fuck knuckle.

      Got any stats on Muslim terrorism/legislation changes/Parliamentary overthrows/forced changes to Australian ‘way of life’ as such?

      • Plato said some time ago humans should stop skating over the surface and start looking a bit deeper.

        I think you had better come down from the clouds.

        This Chicken and the egg argument is starting to annoy me.

        This is about ethics and how they impact on others.

        Fact is our action for and against Other are constructed as bias both good and bad from our respective foundation text(content and method- method being formed by the nature of the text) and it is only by circumstance we end up believing what is ‘truth’ and as time goes by, despite how wise humans believe themselves to be, despite the evidence right in front of us we refuse to change those beliefs unless something psychologically cathartic happens in terms or interventions(removing us from reinforcement) or relatively long term, dependent on the subject being in a supportive(underline supportive) environment which allows questioning and reflection on foundation ethics.

        Not every human foundation text is non-venomous in total or part be it religious or secular –we know this to be true but you appear to lack this core understanding.

        The burqa for instance is not a non-political statement as in the same way if you realise it or not is a miniskirt.

        Despite the complete subjugation of women the burqa represents and its utilisation to reinforce that subjugation to Man – to tilth when and where Man determines – you think it is a good idea? And anyone else who does not is racist?

        More importantly you clearly do not understand how dangerous Pathological Altruist Cultural Relativism (PARC) or even what it means do you? You think Norway was simply a Nazi inspired terrorist act unconnected in any way to the notion of PACR; you think the growing so called right wing organisations simply cannot stand having another Religion of Certainty in the same space and are just bigots.

        Where secular foundation text construct of Other = Religious construct of Other the Outcome will be the same.

        Fact is the Islamic text constructs Other for elimination in exactly the same way as the Nazi text. It constructs the very nature of the response against Other and why and that Other will object – and why not – is there no reason – this is a political document – as any secular – are you regarded as racists or bigots if socialist doctrine is disparaged, ignorant maybe. Are you killed in a back room for doing so?

        What political framework particularly against women has and is this Islamic foundation text informing has informed – was not Other elsewhere promised and even being promised now they will be protected – what has happened?

        Amazing is it not subjugation arising from secular Nazi text is condemned outright whilst Religious Islamic subjugation is regarded as Freedom of choice – it has not escaped the attention of history their existed the same apologists for the Nazi who rather regretted it once it was affecting them directly or about to.

        No reason to be concerned even horrified at the prospect?

        Islamic terror comes first then the counter-terror. In that order Mohammed was and still is the template if you care to check.

        Change the Islamic Foundation text against Other and women or the Terror simply continues as does the worsening circumstance for women.

        To say this is Freedom of choice – if you look below the surface – there is no such thing as Freedom even for you.

        [bullshit spam deleted by mindmadeup]

        • You know I really hate when Muslim-haters get on here and spout whole masses of $2 words to excuse their hatred with no historical knowledge, foundation or context whatsoever.

          I see no difference between what you are saying and what foul-mouthed Niqi/Grant is spewing. You simply have better manners.

        • “Despite the complete subjugation of women the burqa represents and its utilisation to reinforce that subjugation to Man – to tilth when and where Man determines – you think it is a good idea? And anyone else who does not is racist?”

          Not one person so far has so said that they like the idea of a burqa. We are merely against banning it as thought that’s somehow going to bring about liberation for women, a greater relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims and greater security.

          “More importantly you clearly do not understand how dangerous Pathological Altruist Cultural Relativism (PARC) or even what it means do you? You think Norway was simply a Nazi inspired terrorist act unconnected in any way to the notion of PACR; you think the growing so called right wing organisations simply cannot stand having another Religion of Certainty in the same space and are just bigots.”

          Derp. Is this your little podium Markjuliansmith? If PACR (not PARC) is something to be taken seriously, how do you believe Muslims in Australia will ‘accept’ legislation that erases their rights and freedoms? One of your fellow posters suggests ‘deprogramming’ of Muslims, while another suggests ‘deporting and halting Muslims migration’. Many people featured at this site believe that it should be legal to kill Muslims. So, while you sit there in your computer chair, stupidly assuming that millions of Muslims worldwide who have read the Quran and have decided that they don’t want to kill non-Muslims actually DO want to kill non-Muslims, and that any acts of terror against said Muslims are justified because people are pathologically inclined to ‘snap’ and kill people who they PERCEIVE to be a threat to them – how do you believe Muslims will behave once they have ‘accepted’ that it’s okay for society to discriminate against them? Is this not one reason why fundamentalism and radicalism happens? Are we going to be sitting here having this same conversation in twenty years time when a Muslim FINALLY commits an act of terror on Australian soil – quite possibly because an Australian government created laws that prevented Muslims from praying, attending their own churches, wearing their cultural garments and that excused people who had discriminated against or assaulted them?

          “Where secular foundation text construct of Other = Religious construct of Other the Outcome will be the same.”

          In a secular society there is no other. Religion is not prioritised, nor is it legislated against. Those that see non-believers or faith-variants as insignificant, threatening and inferior are creating the concept of ‘other’ and are then responsible for the tensions that result. I personally do not judge a person based on what religion they belong to, despite my personal belief that ALL religion is a crock of shit. YOU are taking it one step further and stating that despite 200 years of multi-faith and multi-culture, we can now justify attacks on those who don’t subscribe to the same ideologies because their foundation texts have inconsistencies with modern society.

          “What political framework particularly against women has and is this Islamic foundation text informing has informed – was not Other elsewhere promised and even being promised now they will be protected – what has happened?”

          If you’re going to demand answers to questions – please speak some fucking English.

          “Islamic terror comes first then the counter-terror. In that order Mohammed was and still is the template if you care to check.”

          So what are you implying? Why sit back and wait for Muslims to make their move in our country? We should just get ’em all now? Can anyone else hear banjos playing when you type?

          “Change the Islamic Foundation text against Other and women or the Terror simply continues as does the worsening circumstance for women.”

          Who’s going to change the Quran, Mark? Perhaps, and it’s just a perhaps – you should open your eyes and take note of the literally millions of Muslims worldwide who are FLAT-OUT IGNORING out-of-date passages from the Quran, such as:

          Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

          Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

          …and choosing to abide by more acceptable passages from the Quran, such as:

          Quran (8:61) – “But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).”

          Quran (60:8) – “God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.”

          Quran (15:2-3) – “Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed to God’s will in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy the good things of this life and to please themselves: let hope amuse them: soon they will have knowledge that will undeceive them.”

      • So surrounding a police station with 80 to 100 rabid Muslims is ok with you is it?

        This is while they number less than 2%.

        Your’e OK with this are you?

        School yard brawls have been going on since time began, & surrounding a police station is acceptable?, you son of a bitch.

        IGNORING out-of-date passages from the Quran, such as: Really? they are out of date are they? You clueless fuck. The Koran is immutable, Muslims are in a minority here that is why they are currently restrained from living out their supremicist Koranic BS,

        Who gained most of the votes in the Egyptian elections? They have since stated they want Egypt with sharia law. & no doubt is was gullible fuckers like you that cheered this shit on from the sidelines.

        “Who’s going to change the Quran, Mark? Perhaps, and it’s just a perhaps – you should open your eyes and take note of the literally millions of Muslims worldwide who are FLAT-OUT IGNORING out-of-date passages from the Quran, such as:”

        Garden variety Muslims are like Germans in the 30’s who turned a blind eye to the rise of Hitler. & who also voted Hitler into power. & who is going to change the Koran, well i’m glad you brought that one up!

        Where are the moderate muslims that you & other do gooders BS on about? Has Sheik Hilaly been sacked? Has he been removed from the Lakemba mosque? A girl gets raped by Muslim savages but that’s OK because they weren’t wrapped up according to Hilaly’s standards? Has he been sacked? have any of you brave commie fuckers done a demo at the lakemba mosque? No, because gutless Newtown bitches you don’t have the fucken balls.

        • “So surrounding a police station with 80 to 100 rabid Muslims is ok with you is it?

          This is while they number less than 2%.

          Your’e OK with this are you?”

          No. Never said that.

          Surrounding a suburb with 6000 rabid white Anglo Australians is ok with you is it? You’re okay with this are you?

          http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/mob-violence-envelops-cronulla/2005/12/11/1134235936223.html

          “School yard brawls have been going on since time began, & surrounding a police station is acceptable?, you son of a bitch.”

          Fuck you. I didn’t ever say it was okay. Dumb fuck.

          “IGNORING out-of-date passages from the Quran, such as: Really? they are out of date are they? You clueless fuck. The Koran is immutable, Muslims are in a minority here that is why they are currently restrained from living out their supremicist Koranic BS,”

          You keep telling us how relevant violent passages in the Quran are, yet you continue to IGNORE the MILLIONS of Muslims who DON’T follow them! The Muslims are the majority (70%+) in Kazakhstan but do you see them all killing non-Muslims there? Where is it written in the Quran that killing non-Muslims can only take place once they reach more than 50% of the population???

          “Who gained most of the votes in the Egyptian elections? They have since stated they want Egypt with sharia law. & no doubt is was gullible fuckers like you that cheered this shit on from the sidelines.

          Unsubstantiated assumptions. Jeez you’re a clever one. We’re talking about Australia anyway.

          “Garden variety Muslims are like Germans in the 30′s who turned a blind eye to the rise of Hitler. & who also voted Hitler into power. & who is going to change the Koran, well i’m glad you brought that one up!”

          Garden variety Muslims? LOL! Garden variety Muslims are Muslims who oppose killing? They number in the millions mate! Not much of a ‘garden variety’.

          “Where are the moderate muslims that you & other do gooders BS on about?”

          Excuse me? Find evidence that Australia’s leading Muslim commentators, movements, groups, institutions SUPPORT Hilali…

          “Muslim community leaders were yesterday outraged and offended by Sheik Hilali’s remarks, insisting the cleric was no longer worthy of his title as Australia’s mufti.”

          “Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali – who does not wear a hijab – said the Islamic headdress was not a “tool” worn to prevent rape and sexual harassment. “It’s a symbol that readily identifies you as being Muslim, but just because you don’t wear the headscarf doesn’t mean that you’re considered fresh meat for sale,” the former member of John Howard’s Muslim advisory board told The Australian. “The onus should not be on the female to not attract attention, it should be on males to learn how to control themselves.””

          “Australia’s most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, said the hijab did not “detract or add to a person’s moral standards”, while Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Waleed Ali said it was “ignorant and naive” for anyone to believe that a hijab could stop sexual assault.”

          “Ms Hage-Ali said she was “disgusted and offended” by Shiek Hilali’s comments. “I find it very offensive that a man who considers himself as a mufti, a leader of Australia’s Muslims, can give comment that lacks intelligence and common sense.””

          “Waleed Ali said Sheik Hilali was “normalising immoral sexual behaviour” by comparing women to meat and men to animals and entirely blaming women for being victims.”

          “Aziza Abdel-Halim said Sheik Hilali’s remarks during Ramadan were inaccurate and upsetting to the Muslim community. “They are below and beyond any comment (and) do not deserve any consideration.””

          “”Hilaly has again been a divisive figure in the community causing tensions between Muslim and non-Muslim Australians,” Darulfatwa said. “Hilaly is not a revered figure nor is he an Islamic representative to Australia’s Muslims.”

          “The Australian Federation of Islamic Council’s legal adviser Haset Sali labelled the sheik’s recent diatribe as insane and said the comments had horrified the vast majority of Australian Muslims. “He has been about as helpful to Islam in Australia as Adolf Hitler was to Christianity during the Second World War,” Mr Sali said. “Hilaly increasingly chooses to rewrite what he thinks should be in the Holy Koran and his sick and vile comments in his recent interviews are not only un-Islamic but also inhumane and highly disgraceful.””

          “have any of you brave commie fuckers done a demo at the lakemba mosque? No, because gutless Newtown bitches you don’t have the fucken balls.”

          http://www.getup.org.au/

          There’s 600,000 Australians who have the balls to turn up to demos you STUPID FUCK. I am proudly one of those Australians.

    • 600,000 have the balls to click on a get-up icon. LOL.

      So when will Get Up do something about Sheik ‘catmeat’ Hilaly?

      Just as i thought,

      Because Catmeat is part of a lefty protected species- even though he incites racially based rape. You support rapes & those that incite them.

      ” Excuse me? Find evidence that Australia’s leading Muslim commentators, movements, groups, institutions SUPPORT Hilali…”

      Like you, they’ve clearly done sweet FA because he hasn’t been sacked. and he hasn’t been sacked because what he preaches is consistent with Koranic teaching.

      No, you’re prime concern is facilitating sackings elsewhere right? So, you’re either scared of the Muslims or you agree with Muslim rapes. So which is it?

  39. You big brave commie fuckers, think it’s ok to deface private property, & totally legal free speech so fuck you ,you fucker.

    You couldn’t get the numbers LOL. Another epic fail

  40. And Nicky is not only choking on his own shit, but about to cry SOB SOB.

    Maybe he can find comfort in the ex-glass artist Serigo, Marg and Grant?

  41. Grant stop embarrassing yourself. All your doing is analysing every little thing, every single muslim does and criticise them. Its got nothing to do with Hilaly being a muslim, he’s just a psycho who doesn’t speak for us muslims.Stop searching for negative things a muslim might do and stop ignoring the fact that most muslims in Oz are trying to live their own life without having to listen to your discriminating bullshit.
    You don’t hear people commenting on what people from other religions do, do you?
    You know why? It’s because they’re not racist pigs who judge a person by his religion. Get over it.

  42. And why the silent treatment from the racists against The Burqa like Grant and Serigo, on Australia Most Wanted being captured while wearing a hoddie?

  43. “And why the silent treatment from the racists against The Burqa like Grant and Serigo, on Australia Most Wanted being captured while wearing a hoddie?”

    What has a hoodie got to do with racism? What race is a hoodie? What race is Islam? Your next brain’ll be your first one.

    Your silence on Hilaly, while you rationalise that he ‘ doesn’t’ have the influence that he once did. You hypocrites. Imagine if george Pell said the same thing. You dogs.

    You are the real racists.

    & contrary to what you say, the federal election is looming, & yes you’re stuffed. LOL.

    You are to be smashed & we’ll dance on your graves LOL.

    • Grant you are complete coward and dickhead ducking and weaving from the reality, in that you don’t care crimes are committed by people wearing hoodies. And reading your comments you are stuffed by your own bullshit.

      So dig your own hole deeper and deeper, as I want to see you suffer. LOL LOL LOL

    • “What has a hoodie got to do with racism? What race is a hoodie? What race is Islam? Your next brain’ll be your first one.”

      Nothing you idiot – and that’s the point. We can ban hoodies, but those who want to conceal themselves to commit crime will still wear them. We can ban burqas, but those who want to conceal themselves will still cover their faces AND, as has been the NORM for decades – people will still CHOOSE balaclavas and hoodies. You probably worship Ned Kelly – half of you idiots do. He wore a balaclava NOT a burqa/niqab. The difference? The balaclava covers the face only, while the burqa is a full-body dress.

      “Your silence on Hilaly, while you rationalise that he ‘ doesn’t’ have the influence that he once did. You hypocrites. Imagine if george Pell said the same thing. You dogs.”

      Pell is the Archbishop of Sydney you stupid FUCK. He has a shitload more influence than Hilaly who has retired and been criticised from all sides. Hilaly will still have his supporters of course, and if Hilaly died, the people who think like him will survive him. If you watched Pell fumble around with incoherent contradictions on QandA last night, you would have still noticed the eery mass clapfests that accompanied the most blurry ramblings.

      “You are the real racists.”

      Show us where we’ve made sweeping generalisations about any one race. Arse-clown.

      “& contrary to what you say, the federal election is looming, & yes you’re stuffed. LOL.
      You are to be smashed & we’ll dance on your graves LOL.”

      If you knew anything about politics you would realise that the Government and the opposition are very closely aligned with several policies. In case you hadn’t noticed, leaderships change. Labor will be back in power in several years, followed by the Coalition, followed by Labor, followed by the Coalition.

      And you will be getting smashed and dancing and all that shit but you’ll still be an insignificant, lowlife loser.

      • Where have you made sweeping generalisations?

        What is the name of this blog fucker? Bogans? ( as you define them) are whites.

        So, you are an anti white racist, like 95% of the fuckers that post here.

        In addition to that, your response to anti white racism in the media is non-existent

        Even Fred Nile in the NSW house has more seats than the Socialist Alliance lowlife fucks that frequent this blog.

        • No such thing as an “anti-white racist” unless you are a Scumfront white supremacist.

          So are you a Scumfront white supremacist Niqi/Grant?

          Darrin Hodges will not be pleased. He has strenuously pretended for years that he does not wish to be associated with Scumfront white supremacists.

          So are you a Scumfront white supremacist Niqi/Grant?

        • “Bogans? ( as you define them) are whites.”

          No, not at all. In fact, you’re stating here that all bogans are white-doesn’t that make you racist?
          Bogans are uneducated, ill-mannered, rude and non-cultured. They can be any race, religion, or even gender. This is an Australian site, and Australia in majority is white, so this why bogan is most linked to white people, but it is not an exclusive term.

          which is also why this site also occasionally complains about non-white bogans as well. But you guys never seem to worry about it.

          And how exactly is anyone here an anti-white racist? Please explain it, as a large proportion of us are white.

          “In addition to that, your response to anti white racism in the media is non-existent”

          What anti-white racism in the media? Please give specific examples?

          “Even Fred Nile in the NSW house has more seats than the Socialist Alliance lowlife fucks that frequent this blog.”

          Yet who has a larger proportion of the vote. Lefties like the socialist alliance, the Greens and the Labor party, or the APP? How many votes did the APP get in every election they’ve ever run in compared to the Greens, Socialist Alliance and ALP?

          And I repeat Grant, on what basis do you believe the majority of Australians support the APP and oppose multicutluralism, considering no one votes for the APP, and survey after survey finds a majority support for multiculturalism?

        • Bogans aren’t necessarily white. Have you read our disclaimer? YOU are a bogan, because you’re:

          a) racist;
          b) a bigot;
          c) sexist;
          d) a homophobe;
          e) a trash-talking fuckbag who gets his jollies from sculling Bundy and then shooting wildlife.

          Okay, so the last one was an assumption.

          But we don’t hate you because you’re white – hell, the majority of the TAB admin are white.

          Now last question: what race is ‘white’? There is no such thing as the white race.

    • Grant silence on those committing crimes while wearing hoodlies, means he is one of those committing crime wearing a hoodie?

    • The photo where it shows the racists idiots including Grant/Niqi/What name he can come with getting themselves pissed again. Does not look like a pub, it looks a couple of chairs and tables in Serigo ex-galley, as no pub would have idiots like them.

    • And why the silent treatment from the racists against The Burqa like Grant and Serigo, on Australia Most Wanted being captured while wearing a hoddie, because they think someone committing crimes wearing hoddies, sunglasses and caps is ok?

    • Labor is highly likely to lose the next election, but they’ll be back, both federally and at a state level. In Victoria it’s highly likely we’ll have a Labor Government again after the next election (Or failing that, the election following that).

      But one thing’s for certain, the APP will never be at any level of power. And despite me repeatedly asking both yourself and other APP supporters, not a single member has been able to give any indication of why they believe either the APP will have any position of power in the future, or why they believe the majorit of Australians support their views (considering repeated polls show support for multiculturalism among the majority of Aussies).

      Or, to put it plainly Niqi, no matter how bad the Greens and Labor go at the next Federal election, they will do better than the APP, the AFP and whichever other Neo-Nazi party decides to run…combined. And the sad thing is, you know that’s true as well, but keep on trying to delude yourself about it.

      • Any party even The Sex Party or even an Independent WELL do better The APP and Grant/Niqi should accept this reality, but choose not to.

        Oh well!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • I’ve decided I’m going to apply for ‘Straaaayyyaan citizenship, just so I can vote in the federal elections and do my bit to ensure the ‘Liberals’ don’t get into power.
      Just to piss you off even more Grant, I’m going to keep my irish passport, claim everything I can from medicare & centrelink and celebrate every Irish festival and custom I can think of and a few more that I’ll invent to annoy the bigots.
      On top of that, I’m going to teach my children the irish language so we can talk about the knuckle draggers like you when we’re out in public. Fun times ahead.

      Now I just need to decide, when I’m a dinkie di, true blue Straaaayyyaan, whether I’ll go Greens, Independant or Sex Party? The greens are looking good because I know bigots, racists and homophobes hate them.

  44. I hate to ask Grant where I said “while you rationalise that he ‘ doesn’t’ have the influence that he once did” as she/he/it has proven they haven’t got the guts to answer questions based on reality and would be pissing himself, if we meet up.

    • Fuck I’m scared.

      If we meet up?

      How your Muslims buddies doing now fucker? Three black Muslims have been arrested & charged after defacing the anti burqa mural. LOL. Inbreds just like you.

      • How’s the APP going, Grant? With some members running into women’s toilets, no support in the public sphere, what possible hope of a future does the party have?

        • It looks as though you’ve abandoned all of our previous discussions and are choosing to focus on the Socialist Alliance, who still poll 10 times better than the APP.

          Lazy Niqi.

        • Couldn’t give a toss I vote Labor.

          SA are Trotskyists.

          However they are a thousand percent more electable than the APP and all the other pathetic “identity” parties for the intellectually impaired.

        • Not much hope, Grant, but as has been pointed out, the most far left political party in Australia will still get 10 times the vote of the APP and AFP.

          So I repeat: With some members running into women’s toilets, no support in the public sphere, what possible hope of a future does the party have?

      • They defaced Sergio’s mural did they? Does that equate to terrorism?

        I suppose you’re madly trying to find somewhere in the Quran where it says that Muslims must deface Sergio’s shitty mural.

        How about all of these non-Muslims, Grant? http://whitewatch.info/ Do you endorse what’s going on here? It’s an interesting read, that’s for sure, but we know that not all whites are like the people who feature here, which suggests that people from ALL backgrounds are capable of doing stupid things.

        I guess this is far too difficult for a braindead chunder puddle like you to understand.

      • Hey Grant/what ever name you can come up with.

        Unlike you Grant I have buddies, the only buddy you have is your Doctor helping with your Paranoid personality disorder.

        And stop reading the media for your information, as it is doing you damage.

  45. Grant/Fuckwit The Abbott arse licker that he is in coming up with “the federal election is looming” would the person that say something is just around the corner well be hours later.

    • Jm: i’ve met plenty. ( muslims). How many coptic Christians have you met? How has sharia affected me? There are Muslim apostates in Australia who cannot return to their homelands because of sharia – yes that has affected me- in what way, is none of you’re business.

      So let me ask you again, how many Coptic Christians have you met? How many Muslim apostates have you met?

      • Finally, he answers. But why so tardy, Grant? I’ve asked so many times “Have you ever met a Muslim” and “How has sharia effected you” and it’s taken you literally weeks to answer-why so slow? Were you unable to answer-or just had to quickly come up with an answer (Oh, actually let’s be honest here, including the sharia one it’s maybe half an answer)?

        Great-and how were the Muslims you met? Were the yfreidnly, or frothing at the mouth and trying to kill you as soon as they met you?

        I’ve met plenty of Coptics-I work with asylum seekers and we’ve been seeing a few of them. Also went to school with a few coptic christians. I wouldn’t say I’ve met hundreds, but the ones I’ve met have been a mixed bag-just like all people are.

        So, just to be clear, sharia has affected you in a way that you can’t tell anyone, but definately does exist?

        Why the privacy? You’re confidential, I don’t know who you are and am yunlikely to ever meet you, so why cant’ you say? After all, it is my business as you’re saying about how shatria is a threat to Australia. I have never ever ever been threatened by Sharia despite working with, living with, and befriending Muslims. Please tell me how your situation is different.

        And what you failed to answer:
        Hey Grant, how do you know which verses in the Quran have been abrogated? What source do you get that from?”

        And
        “With some members running into women’s toilets, no support in the public sphere, what possible hope of a future does the APPhave?

        • Just like the socialist Alliance, no support in the public sphere. lets see, no luck in the latest Queensland elections. Your Green filth actually went backwards. Fred Nile has two seats in NSW, Socialist Alliance ……..none.

          You are a communist going no where.
          You side with an ideology that has been responsible for up to 100million deaths. LOL.

          How does it feel now that that idiot Bob Brown has gone? now the party is in control of Milne ( but for how long) – with two sniping communist bitches at her heels- Rhiannon and that twerp Sarah Hanson Young. Then there’s the other communist idiot Bandt, LOL.

          Oh yeah Josh, ” how many Nazi’s have you met & how has this affected you?” HAHAHAHA. Zero credibility for 20 something year old Newtown inner city fuckwits .on an infantile racist leftwing hate blog.

          You’ve never been affected by sharia josh? really? Thats why the Coptics are here in Australia you leftist goose. Do you eat meat? chicken? any type of food? Because a lot of it is now Halal certified & you’re paying for the
          ‘privelege’ LOL. That halal certification makes it ‘ sharia ‘; compliant.

        • Bob Brown has jumped ship while the party is on the edge of a precipice, ah la the Democrats. The Aust greens will go the way of the Democrats.

          How does that feel? . LOL.

          They will see now a decline now the the average voter has seen the folly of their left wing extremism.

          I think I might throw a barbie.

        • no luck in the latest Queensland elections. Your Green filth actually went backwards. Fred Nile has two seats in NSW, Socialist Alliance ……..none. ”

          How many votes did the APP get in the last federal election compared to Greens, Socialists, everybody? What about just in the last NSW election-how did they do?

          Let’s get this staright, the Greens leader resigning while his party holds the balance of power means they’re a failure, but the APP which is yet to gain any where near a significant proportion of the vote anywhere is a runaway success?

          “Then there’s the other communist idiot Bandt, LOL.”

          He’s actually my local member. And he comes with a great pedigree, having spent years in legal service fighting sex trafficking. And as a politician he’s even been better. You know, I had a problem recently, a system of discrimination which punished my partner because she was not born inthis country. I sent letters asking for support to a whole range of politicians, and only the Greens offered help.

          So Adam Bandt is a politician who responds to his constituents, and has actually spent a lot of his life trying to help the most repressed and hurt members of our society. You call him an idiot. What is it agaqin that yo’ve done, that is so good, that you get to call people who are helping people idiots?

          Oh right, you support a guy who runs into women’s toilets. Yep, that’s so much more better than supporting your constituents, or helping people escape from sex slavery. Just for the record, Grant, you think loitering in a toilet like a pervert makes you a hero, and freeing people from sex slavery makes you an idiot, correct?

          (By the way, Bandt represents Melbourne. If he loses an election, and it’s a big IF, it will be to a leftie Labour party member. The APP will win the seat of Melbourne pretty much after pigs gain the ability to fly).

          “You’ve never been affected by sharia josh? really? Thats why the Coptics are here in Australia you leftist goose. Do you eat meat? chicken? any type of food? Because a lot of it is now Halal certified & you’re paying for the
          ‘privelege’ LOL”

          Yeah, but none of us give a rat’s arse if it’s hallal or not. For an effect to occur, it actually has to, y’know, effect somebody.

          And naturally you’ll be equally complaining about the kosher symbol on many food as well-every time you buy that food, some money has to go to a rabbi. Or is it a case that you don’t mind food killed in a particular way, as long as it is not a Muslim way (Even if the differences between Kosher and Hallal are so slight that Msulims are allowed to eat Kosher meat)

          You’ve totally ignored everything anyone said to you (Surprise surprise!), so let’s go again:
          “Finally, he answers. But why so tardy, Grant? I’ve asked so many times “Have you ever met a Muslim” and “How has sharia effected you” and it’s taken you literally weeks to answer-why so slow? Were you unable to answer-or just had to quickly come up with an answer (Oh, actually let’s be honest here, including the sharia one it’s maybe half an answer)?

          Great-and how were the Muslims you met? Were the yfreidnly, or frothing at the mouth and trying to kill you as soon as they met you?

          So, just to be clear, sharia has affected you in a way that you can’t tell anyone, but definately does exist?

          I have never ever ever been threatened by Sharia despite working with, living with, and befriending Muslims. Please tell me how your situation is different.

          Hey Grant, how do you know which verses in the Quran have been abrogated? What source do you get that from?”

          On what basis do you say the majority of Australia agrees with you, considering the majority of Australians in numerous studeis, which I have shown you, support multiculturalism, and any anti-immigration party has never gotten more than 9% of the national vote?

          And
          “With some members running into women’s toilets, no support in the public sphere, what possible hope of a future does the APPhave?

    • We’ve had an insurgency bunch of angry bitter bogot trolls demanding their “freedom of speech” as usual, who are always guaranteed to lower the quality of anything.

      We can never guarantee high quality debate when they are around.

      • That has become painfully obvious unfortunately! It’s hard to work out which one is going off in each post!
        Dave Hunt who’s not Dave Hunt? Nick or Niqi? Your Nemesis (he sounds really scary!)? Open minded Grant? or my favourite markjuliansmith who seems to have a fixation for copy and pasting!

        I think that’s why they think there are so many people who agree with them, they count all of their alter egos!

        • Absolutely, GAMA. If only the Australian electoral Council allowed sock-puppet account registrations, then APP would be a strong political force.

          They’d still probably lose though, but in this scenario to either Chuck Norris or keyboard Cat.

        • ” JI think that’s why they think there are so many people who agree with them, they count all of their alter egos!”

          Just like your claim to 600,000 ‘ members’ of Get-Up.

          A vivid imagination.

        • And how many people have been turning up to APP rallies, Grant? More or less than you’ll get in your average football team?

        • I guess you don’t appreciate my sense of humour! understandable as it’s your way or the highway!
          I’ll put it into words you can understand then, there are some really fucked up posts in this thread! Do racists actually believe the shit they spew?

        • I don’t attack the integrity or motives of this blog as I do believe you are doing a good thing. What I will do sometimes is question your method or a particular post and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. Even people who have the same ideals can think that there are different ways to achieve the best results. As you say to those that you feature, “If you don’t want comment on things you have written in a public forum, don’t put them there for everyone to see”.

  46. Kuwait mulls death penalty for insulting God, Prophet
    “Kuwaiti lawmakers voted on Thursday in favour of a legal amendment that would make insulting God and the Prophet Mohammed punishable by death, following a furore over a Shiite man who allegedly posted defamatory material on Twitter”

    Clearly this site underlines the fact History is written so fools can ignore it.

    If a dogma (foundation text) informs consistently a form of behavior in one or more spaces over time how is it some humans believe they will be allowed to escape the affects of the same in another- be it either a secular or religious based political document?

    Also the originators and supporters of this site would be advised to take a university course in women studies which would underline a ‘truth’ body image matters a great deal in representing states of relative independence a woman is experiencing internal and external.

    I am sure there were some slaves born to such circumstance which defined it as the ‘norm’ who sincerely believed they were on a good wicket despite the chains, as did Pavlov’s dogs as they ran to check for food under Nazi Panzer Tanks, they were assured to find given their education – shame about the explosives strapped to their backs.

    In other words Burqa=”punishable by death” for doing what, for being what?

    In other words Brownshirts=”punishable by death” for being, what, for doing what?

    Now what makes you think one is ‘good’ and the other is ‘evil’?.

    The Burqa is a political advocacy of what? Maximum independence of Humanity, particularly woman?

    I you really believe this to be true – then you believe what to be ‘good’ – “punishable by death” for being, what, for doing what?

    Why shouldn’t an astute observer of life be appalled, even outraged by the existence on their streets of such a political statement, of not only subservience to Mans determination, for God could care less, but the horrific implication for Other we have evidence of since the seventh century to this very hour?

    Cannot happen here in Australia – History tells quite a different story as represented in the actions of the Kuwaiti lawmakers – You really think the nature of your circumstance is secure because the notions of ‘good’ you support will take precedence because they do now and they are indeed self-evident? Self-evident to Kuwaiti lawmakers – they are not aware of the importance of independent thought?

    I am not asking you to change your mind just to consider if you can.

    • Grant-let’s be clear about this-you can interrogate whomever you want, demand that they say whether or not they’re a Muslim, and if so whether they follow sharia law, but if we ask you questions, you ignore them?

      Let me ask you this-what does it matter if a poster here is a Muslim? Why does that matter so much to you that you have to know if a complete stranger who posted here is a Muslim or not? Are you so paranoid that you’re constantly shifting your eyes aroudn to check you’re not being followed by a Muslim?

      Leoica made some good points, asked you some serious questions. If you really want people to answer your questions, how about you answer soem of them? Or are you like all of the right wingers-able to accuse, able to interrogate, but unable to answer questions?

      • Well Jm I’m still waiting 4 u to tell me have u met any Nazi’s & how has National Sociaism affected you. & do u approve of known communists in Australia being involved in federal politics.

        How do u justify your membership of a communist political party?

        Or that u make excuses for sharia.

        • So, let’s get this straight, Grant, you didn’t answer any questions, because I didn’t answer the questions you didn’t even ask me?

          Well, I’ll play fair. But be warned, after answering these questions, if you fail to answer any of mine, you will be dubbed a hypocritical wanker for the rest of eternity. So let’s go:

          “Well Jm I’m still waiting 4 u to tell me have u met any Nazi’s”

          Not in person, only online. But that’s comforting. I knwo they are nothing and will aspire to nothing, because their beliefs are something that they’re ashamed of, and have to hide.
          I have no doubt if they didn’t try to indulge this hatred they’d be charming people and good workers.

          ” & how has National Sociaism affected you.”

          Well, there was WWII-lost a bit of my family there. Then there have been the death threats, dickheads like Chris Merrett saying they’re going to come to my house and rough me up.
          Then there’s the non direct stuff, the stuff where my fiancee has had abuse screamed at her, and stuff thrown at her because she’s not white. Cause, I don’t know the guys responsible are nazis, but they are racists.

          ” & do u approve of known communists in Australia being involved in federal politics.”

          Of course I do. I approve of anyone being involved in parliament-all views. It’s called democracy. You put out your views, people judge them, and the popular vote determines which votes lead the country. I don’t think any particular party should be banned because fo their views-not even the APP. I think the electorate should judge which views are acceptable, and which, like both the Socialist Alliance and the APP (But more so for the APP) will be rejected.
          Are you telling me, Grant, that you think that certain political parties should be banned? How does free speech and demopcracy even work if parties you don’t like get banned?

          “How do u justify your membership of a communist political party?”

          Oh very easily. In that I’m not a member of any communist patrty. Or any non-communist patrty, or any party at all, in fact. I’ve voted Green, sure, andf will do so again, but I am not and I doubt I’ll ever be a member of any political party.

          “Or that u make excuses for sharia.”
          Where exactly have I made excuses for sharia? Please tell me exactly where I’ve said it. I personally think sharia law should oeprate like any other religious law, to be considered, but never superceded by the law of the nation of Australia. Have you found me something more cotroversial than that, or are you just making stuff up?

          Okay, so I answered all of yours, shall you answer any of mine, or will you from now on be referred to as wanker.

          Here we go:
          “How many votes did the APP get in the last federal election compared to Greens, Socialists, everybody? What about just in the last NSW election-how did they do?

          “So Adam Bandt is a politician who responds to his constituents, and has actually spent a lot of his life trying to help the most repressed and hurt members of our society. You call him an idiot. What is it agaqin that yo’ve done, that is so good, that you get to call people who are helping people idiots? ”

          “Oh right, you support a guy who runs into women’s toilets. Yep, that’s so much more better than supporting your constituents, or helping people escape from sex slavery. Just for the record, Grant, you think loitering in a toilet like a pervert makes you a hero, and freeing people from sex slavery makes you an idiot, correct?”

          :And naturally you’ll be equally complaining about the kosher symbol on many food as well-every time you buy that food, some money has to go to a rabbi. Or is it a case that you don’t mind food killed in a particular way, as long as it is not a Muslim way (Even if the differences between Kosher and Hallal are so slight that Msulims are allowed to eat Kosher meat)”

          “Finally, he answers. But why so tardy, Grant? I’ve asked so many times “Have you ever met a Muslim” and “How has sharia effected you” and it’s taken you literally weeks to answer-why so slow? Were you unable to answer-or just had to quickly come up with an answer (Oh, actually let’s be honest here, including the sharia one it’s maybe half an answer)?

          Great-and how were the Muslims you met? Were the yfreidnly, or frothing at the mouth and trying to kill you as soon as they met you?

          So, just to be clear, sharia has affected you in a way that you can’t tell anyone, but definately does exist?

          I have never ever ever been threatened by Sharia despite working with, living with, and befriending Muslims. Please tell me how your situation is different.

          Hey Grant, how do you know which verses in the Quran have been abrogated? What source do you get that from?”

          On what basis do you say the majority of Australia agrees with you, considering the majority of Australians in numerous studeis, which I have shown you, support multiculturalism, and any anti-immigration party has never gotten more than 9% of the national vote?

          And
          “With some members running into women’s toilets, no support in the public sphere, what possible hope of a future does the APPhave?

        • Awesome reply, JM, love your work.
          @Grant- what’s your definition of communism? Or socialism? Hell, tell us what you understand of democracy.

  47. Well heytazz why don’t you visit wikipaedia & do some research.

    “considering the majority of Australians in numerous studeis, which I have shown you, support multiculturalism, ”

    Studies done by university leftists? Done by the government? Or was it Get Up?The majority of Australians could not even define multiculturalism.

    Q: “Hey Grant, how do you know which verses in the Quran have been abrogated? What source do you get that from?”

    A: 18,000 terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11 pretty much sums it up for me. The peaceful verses you quote are those that have been abrogated by less tolerant ones. Muslims play nice guy when low in number & power as per the example of the prophet. When they gain more power they become less tolerant- the true Islam.

    Q” I have never ever ever been threatened by Sharia despite working with, living with, and befriending Muslims. Please tell me how your situation is different.

    A” Fine then you would have fitted in perfectly in the 1920’s in Germany then, because i’m sure there were plenty of germans who thought Hitler wasn’t a threat. Your claim there is an equivalence between halal & kosher foods is also spurious. Jews collect money from kosher do they? i object to any money I pay going to Jewish organisations for kosher or halal for that matter. You of course have no problems with the additional issue of animal cruelty that is involved.

    Please also state, as i asked before, why Coptic Christians have felt the need to flee egypt.

    ” But why so tardy, Grant? I’ve asked so many times “Have you ever met a Muslim” and “How has sharia effected you” and it’s taken you literally weeks to answer-why so slow? Were you unable to answer-or just had to quickly come up with an answer (Oh, actually let’s be honest here, including the sharia one it’s maybe half an answer)?”

    Wow, didn’t know there was a stop watch going.

    “Oh very easily. In that I’m not a member of any communist patrty. Or any non-communist patrty, or any party at all, in fact. I’ve voted Green, sure, andf will do so again, but I am not and I doubt I’ll ever be a member of any political party.’

    So you vote for a party with communists in it then. Thankyou for coming.

    How are you better than people who supported Hitler then? Because on that logic a Neo Nazi party would be eh ok with you.

    ” & do u approve of known communists in Australia being involved in federal politics.”

    Of course I do. I approve of anyone being involved in parliament-all views. It’s called democracy.

    So that’s why you bitch 24/7 about the APP & other right wing groups that don’t cut it with you?

    ” Leoica made some good points, asked you some serious questions. If you really want people to answer your questions, how about you answer soem of them? Or are you like all of the right wingers-able to accuse, able to interrogate, but unable to answer questions?”

    Where? Like stating that Muslim women were above being ridiculed?

    Can she speak for herself or do you have to hold her hand 24/7. Does she repudiate sharia law?

    • “Studies done by university leftists? Done by the government? Or was it Get Up?The majority of Australians could not even define multiculturalism.”

      Okay, cool, you question the validity of the studies. Fair enough, it’s your right.
      But naturally you’ll have evidence that the majority of Australians oppose multiculturalism, right? Because if you don’t, the studies I show, plus election results for anti-immigration parties, are kinda more convincing than “No evidence at all”-don’t you think?

      “The peaceful verses you quote are those that have been abrogated by less tolerant ones.”

      So….no source then. You’re own judgement. No evidence of a major islamic source saying “These verses, are out, these are in”-just your own interpretation of the Quran.
      Have you actually read all the Quran, or do you just hear it third hand?

      “Muslims play nice guy when low in number & power as per the example of the prophet. When they gain more power they become less tolerant- the true Islam.”

      Which is the exact thing the far right have said about the Jews, Asians, Italians, pretty much everyone. But no, you must be right this time, right?
      Just for the record, can Muslims do anything to convince you they’re not going to commit crimes? Anything at all? Or will they always be guilty, no matter what they do in their life? Are you saying you will never judge a person based on their deeds, just on their beliefs?

      Well, Otto said the same thing, so I’ll direct the same question to him that I asked you:

      You are convinced that all Muslims will eventually be terrorists, no matter what they do, or who they are. You think they can be judged because of this.
      I think you’re a crazy person who will commit a mass murder of children at some point in the future because your views are similar to Breivik (Esepcially the crazy stuff about Marxists-almost word for word). Prove to me that you will never be such a threat, otherwise you should be punished for this association.

      Or to put it simply….if you think Muslims should be deemed guilty of a crime they haven’t committed, why shouldn’t crazy nationalists like yourself be guilty for a crime they haven’t committed?

      “A” Fine then you would have fitted in perfectly in the 1920′s in Germany then, because i’m sure there were plenty of germans who thought Hitler wasn’t a threat. ”

      Wait, you’re saying the entire Muslim population is Hitler? Let me tell you something about generalisations, Grant….you can judge one person based on their beliefs-it’s fine. You can understand one person very well. But judging over a billion people without knowing them isn’t fair, as you can’t know a billion people well.

      Or to put it simply for you….are you telling me one person and one billion people are the same thing?

      Incidentally, if you hate Nazis so much, why do you support the APP, a party run but hitler lover Darrin Hodges?

      And despite two attempts so far, you have still failed to answer this question-how has sharia law directly effected you?

      “Your claim there is an equivalence between halal & kosher foods is also spurious. Jews collect money from kosher do they?”

      Yes, they do! Rabbis are paid to bless the meat. Rabbis don’t work for free you know.

      ” i object to any money I pay going to Jewish organisations for kosher or halal for that matter. You of course have no problems with the additional issue of animal cruelty that is involved.”

      Cool, so why don’t I see you complaining about Kosher food? There’s plenty of it. So go ahead-start a campaign about Kosher food. Why haven’t you done so already?

      Incidentally, I don’t mind abotu animal cruelty. Are you a vegetarian, Grant? Or are you, like me, a person who enjoys food that involves the slaughter of animals? Are you one of those silyl people who likes to think that cows get a nice massage, and kiss, and a back rub, and have such a nice life that they tell everyone “Oh, you’re so nice, you can kill me and eat my flesh now”. Do you even eat free range eggs? Or is animal cruelty okay, when it’s not done for Muslims?

      Also-a source you won’t read, showing that the stressfulness of hallal slaughter may be less than non-hallal:
      http://www.asidcom.org/Report-the-welfare-of-animals-is.html

      “Please also state, as i asked before, why Coptic Christians have felt the need to flee egypt.”

      Oh, because extremist Muslims are exerting pressure on the Christian population. When did you ask this (I thought you just asked if I had met Coptics, which I have). So are we judging all Muslims on the acts of extremists in Egypt now, are we?

      Great-well naturally we’ll be judging all French people based on the actions of the Germans in WWII? Or do we only get to judge 1 billion people when they have brown skin?

      “Wow, didn’t know there was a stop watch going.”

      I asked a question repeatedly. You did not answer it at all for a long time, despite replying to it.

      And you still haven’t answered it. Tell me-how was it when oyu met a real life Muslim? Did that gnash their teeth at you, bear their jaws, threaten your children? Or were they just normal people, going about their lives?

      “So you vote for a party with communists in it then. Thankyou for coming.”

      You support the APP. A party that has senior members supporting the murder of children. How does that stand with you?

      “How are you better than people who supported Hitler then? Because on that logic a Neo Nazi party would be eh ok with you.”

      Absolutely, a Neo Nazi party would be fine to exist. It would be judged, as all parties are judged, by their performance at elections (Kinda like how the APP have always bombed out). As long as they obey the law, I would have absolutely no problem with them existing.

      I am not trying to be better than any person-is that what you are trying to be, Grant? Do you feel that you’re lacking, and feel the need that you need to be better than someone? I’m just happy being me.

      Is there are problem with your life, Grant, that you feel the need to try and prove to yourself that you’re better than someone in order to be happy? Dangerous pathway, Grant-because there’s aleays going to be someone richer, mroe handsome, smarter than you. Always.
      Well, in your case there’ll be a lot more, but even if yuo weren’t who you were, there will always someone who you’ll have to compete against-you’ll never get any rest.

      ”So that’s why you bitch 24/7 about the APP & other right wing groups that don’t cut it with you?”

      And where have I said the party should be banned? I don’t like the party, and I often find it has members who don’t know what they’re getting into. But they absolutely have a right to exist, as long as they obey the law.

      Are you honestly telling me that you think parties shouldn’t exist if they don’t agree with your views?

      And incidentally, I love that the APP exists. It means that I’m happy at every election, as I’m reminded how much it and it’s followers are pathetic and out of touch.

      “Where? Like stating that Muslim women were above being ridiculed?

      Can she speak for herself or do you have to hold her hand 24/7. Does she repudiate sharia law?”

      Why the interrogation? Why do you not respond to her comments, but just demand she reveal stuff about herself?

    • The fact that you suggest Wikipedia for fact-finding is further proof that you’re a fucking idiot, Grant. The fun fact is, many of the members here are clearly educated at a Tertiary level, and often in the social sciences. So, you see, while you try to back up your ‘facts’ with wikipedia and youtube nonsense, the rest of us can source reputable academic sources.

      So, in conclusion… are you aware that we’re all laughing at you?

    • “Studies done by university leftists? Done by the government? Or was it Get Up?”

      So you want to judge and challenge the studies presented? Go ahead, it’s your right to do so. But you better have some beter evidence, because no matter how unreliable a survey is, it’s more reliable than “My gut feeling”.
      So do you have any evidence that the majority of Australians oppose mulitculturalism? Yes or no?

      “The majority of Australians could not even define multiculturalism.”

      Okay-you define it then. What does it mean? I’ve defined it a few times for you, let’s hear your definition.

      “A: 18,000 terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11 pretty much sums it up for me. The peaceful verses you quote are those that have been abrogated by less tolerant ones.”

      So, no source then on which verses have been abrogated? None at all?

      ” Muslims play nice guy when low in number & power as per the example of the prophet. When they gain more power they become less tolerant- the true Islam.”

      Ah, so Muslims are all evil, or evil in hiding. So can any Muslim ever prove themselves innocent, or is your theory unable to be ever challenged? I mean, no matter what a Muslim ever does in their life, will you still consider them evil forever?

      Do you not see the problem with that? Let me put it the same way I put it to Otto: I think you’re a guy who’s going to go mad a kill a bunch of kids in the same of fighting Islam and Marxism, like Ander Behring Breivik. I think any denial of this, and any action that seems to be contrary to the action of an evil killer is just you waiting for a good moment to strike.

      Prove my theory wrong. If you can’t, you’re obviously a child murderer in wait, right?

      Now, have you understood why we have “innocent until proven guilty”? If you don’t get this now, best you go to the police station right now, and demand they arrest you, because they can’t be sure you won’t kill some kids in the future.

      “A” Fine then you would have fitted in perfectly in the 1920′s in Germany then, because i’m sure there were plenty of germans who thought Hitler wasn’t a threat.”

      So let’s be clear: Muslims, a religion of over 1 billion people, with a huge variety of religious and cultural beliefs, are exactly the same as Hitler, one man who generally has a limited set of beliefs (ie his own)?
      Or are you saying because it’s okay to judge one terrible man, it’s okay to judge 1 bn people? Don’t you see what’s wrong with that?

      Also, despite a third try, you still haven’t been able to answer:
      How has sharia law effected you directly?

      ” Your claim there is an equivalence between halal & kosher foods is also spurious. Jews collect money from kosher do they?”

      For meat to be kosher it needs to be blessed by a rabbi, right? These rabbis don’t work for free, you know.

      ” i object to any money I pay going to Jewish organisations for kosher or halal for that matter.”

      Cool-so why aren’t you starting facebook groups calling for the end of kosher food, banning kosher food, or calling kosher food cruel? Why does hallal only get that special attention?

      “You of course have no problems with the additional issue of animal cruelty that is involved.”

      Absolutely not. Just because I’m left wing doesn’t mean I believe in animal rights. I’m a carnivore-love eating meat. I respect vegetarians and all, but could never be one. And as I eat meat, I understand that for me to do it, an animal must die.

      Now, I’m sure, Grant, you like to tell yourself that before a cow does, it’s given a backrup, a full oil massage, a good wash and rub down, a kiss and a cuddle, and totally pampered until it says “Oh, thank you so much, I’m totally in favour of you killing me and eating my flesh”-but hate to tell you, that’s not the case!

      Killing animals for food is cruelty. You can either, like me, accept the cruelty as a necessary evil in order to eat delicious meat, or become a vegetarian, and not deal with it at all. Your belief of “Killing animals for meat is cruel when you do it, but not when I do it”-it’s simply idiotic. And before you go “Oh, but it’s humane when I do it”-ask yourself this: if a mate said “Hey Grant, do you mind if a stun you, and then slit your throat?”-would you say yes, or still think it’s wrong?

      Incidentally, before you say how “Hallal is super cruel to animals, and I hate it so much” while no doubt eating a steak and frying up some caged eggs, here’s a report from France suggesting that religious killing of animals, including hallal and sharia slaughter, is actually more humane than non-hallal methods. I look forward to you ignoring it because it doesn’t meet your worldview:
      http://www.asidcom.org/Report-the-welfare-of-animals-is.html

      “Please also state, as i asked before, why Coptic Christians have felt the need to flee egypt.”

      Oh, when did you ask this? You asked if I had met Coptic Christians, and I said happily that they had. You see, I can only answer the questions you ask me, not A) The Questions you ask someone else, or B) the questions you wished you asked but didn’t.

      Anyway, coptic christians are escaping Egypt because Muslim extremists, seeing a power vacuum, are flexing their muscles and forcing out those who might challenge their power. Obviously.

      Now, are you saying that we should judge all Muslims based on the work of extremists Muslims in Egypt? If so, does that extend to say, judging the French on the actions of the Germans in WWII? Because tha’ts about as much sense as your idea is.

      “Wow, didn’t know there was a stop watch going.”

      I asked a question repeatedly. You responded to parts of the question, yet never answered it. So why ignore it? Why keep avoiding the question?

      Kinda like what you’ve done again. I repeat-what happened when you met a real life Muslim? Did they gnash their teeth, bark hatred at you, and eat your baby? Or did they just go along with their life, and generally do nothing to cause fault?

      “So you vote for a party with communists in it then. Thankyou for coming.”

      You support a party with A) Holocaust Deniars, B) Nazi supporters, and C) Supporters of Ander Behring Breivik in it. Do you support all those views too? Looks more and more likely that you’re a child murderer now, doesn’t it?

      “How are you better than people who supported Hitler then? Because on that logic a Neo Nazi party would be eh ok with you.”

      I’m better than those who supported Hitler because I don’t support any party that wants to exterminate and murder entire groups of people that disagree with them. Nor do I support any party which wishes to outlaw another political party. Can you say the same?
      Let me know if you find a Greens policy calling for an entire group’s extermination, or banning of any political party that disagrees with them, okay? I’d love to read them!

      Incidentally, absolutely I’d allow a Neo-Nazi party to exist, as long as they obey the law. You gotta realise, Grant, I love democracy. I love, most of all, that it shows which values and beliefs are welcome in Australia, and which are unwelcome. So let the Neo-Nazi parties run, and when they bomb out in every election, much as the APP and AFP are doing, let the whole country acknowledge that their views are unwelcome and evil.

      “So that’s why you bitch 24/7 about the APP & other right wing groups that don’t cut it with you?”

      Oh, I don’t like the values of the APP and other right wing groups. Of course I don’t. And I don’t like how they lure people into their party by pretending to be open, then kick them out if they disagree in the slightest way. The APP has a lot of idiots, but also some people who wnat to help others, and see this as the way to do it. Don’t you think that if they care about the homeless, their lives would be better spent actually helping the homeless, rather than hating a particular group in society, and joining a political party that is nothing, has come from nothing and will go to nothing? That’s why I “Bitch” as you put it about the APP-so people will not be lured into their spin, and realise that the party is a piece of junk before they ever sign up.

      It also guarantees the party will NEVER EVER be elected (Grant, if you can find an Australian political party that has won a single seat, while stating it’s okay to kill Australian children, you let me know okay?), which brings me joy. After all, at every election no matter whether Labor or Liberals win, I’m still going to be happy at seeing the APP lose.

      “Where? Like stating that Muslim women were above being ridiculed?

      Can she speak for herself or do you have to hold her hand 24/7. Does she repudiate sharia law?”

      I’m not holding her hand. I’m just pointing out you never responded to what she actually said. Just went after her because she’s a Muslim and a woman. Tough guy you!

    • “Studies done by university leftists? Done by the government? Or was it Get Up?”

      So you want to judge and challenge the studies presented? Go ahead, it’s your right to do so. But you better have some beter evidence, because no matter how unreliable a survey is, it’s more reliable than “My gut feeling”.
      So do you have any evidence that the majority of Australians oppose mulitculturalism? Yes or no?

      “The majority of Australians could not even define multiculturalism.”

      Okay-you define it then. What does it mean? I’ve defined it a few times for you, let’s hear your definition.

      “A: 18,000 terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11 pretty much sums it up for me. The peaceful verses you quote are those that have been abrogated by less tolerant ones.”

      So, no source then on which verses have been abrogated? None at all?

      ” Muslims play nice guy when low in number & power as per the example of the prophet. When they gain more power they become less tolerant- the true Islam.”

      Ah, so Muslims are all evil, or evil in hiding. So can any Muslim ever prove themselves innocent, or is your theory unable to be ever challenged? I mean, no matter what a Muslim ever does in their life, will you still consider them evil forever?

      Do you not see the problem with that? Let me put it the same way I put it to Otto: I think you’re a guy who’s going to go mad a kill a bunch of kids in the same of fighting Islam and Marxism, like Ander Behring Breivik. I think any denial of this, and any action that seems to be contrary to the action of an evil killer is just you waiting for a good moment to strike.

      Prove my theory wrong. If you can’t, you’re obviously a child murderer in wait, right?

      Now, have you understood why we have “innocent until proven guilty”? If you don’t get this now, best you go to the police station right now, and demand they arrest you, because they can’t be sure you won’t kill some kids in the future.

      “A” Fine then you would have fitted in perfectly in the 1920′s in Germany then, because i’m sure there were plenty of germans who thought Hitler wasn’t a threat.”

      So let’s be clear: Muslims, a religion of over 1 billion people, with a huge variety of religious and cultural beliefs, are exactly the same as Hitler, one man who generally has a limited set of beliefs (ie his own)?
      Or are you saying because it’s okay to judge one terrible man, it’s okay to judge 1 bn people? Don’t you see what’s wrong with that?

      Also, despite a third try, you still haven’t been able to answer:
      How has sharia law effected you directly?

      ” Your claim there is an equivalence between halal & kosher foods is also spurious. Jews collect money from kosher do they?”

      For meat to be kosher it needs to be blessed by a rabbi, right? These rabbis don’t work for free, you know.

      ” i object to any money I pay going to Jewish organisations for kosher or halal for that matter.”

      Cool-so why aren’t you starting facebook groups calling for the end of kosher food, banning kosher food, or calling kosher food cruel? Why does hallal only get that special attention?

      “You of course have no problems with the additional issue of animal cruelty that is involved.”

      Absolutely not. Just because I’m left wing doesn’t mean I believe in animal rights. I’m a carnivore-love eating meat. I respect vegetarians and all, but could never be one. And as I eat meat, I understand that for me to do it, an animal must die.

      Now, I’m sure, Grant, you like to tell yourself that before a cow does, it’s given a backrup, a full oil massage, a good wash and rub down, a kiss and a cuddle, and totally pampered until it says “Oh, thank you so much, I’m totally in favour of you killing me and eating my flesh”-but hate to tell you, that’s not the case!

      Killing animals for food is cruelty. You can either, like me, accept the cruelty as a necessary evil in order to eat delicious meat, or become a vegetarian, and not deal with it at all. Your belief of “Killing animals for meat is cruel when you do it, but not when I do it”-it’s simply idiotic. And before you go “Oh, but it’s humane when I do it”-ask yourself this: if a mate said “Hey Grant, do you mind if a stun you, and then slit your throat?”-would you say yes, or still think it’s wrong?

      Incidentally, before you say how “Hallal is super cruel to animals, and I hate it so much” while no doubt eating a steak and frying up some caged eggs, here’s a report from France suggesting that religious killing of animals, including hallal and sharia slaughter, is actually more humane than non-hallal methods. I look forward to you ignoring it because it doesn’t meet your worldview:
      http://www.asidcom.org/Report-the-welfare-of-animals-is.html

    • So you had a couple of hours to answer questions while demanding people

      answered questions you never asked them, or be called a wanker. Let’s

      see how you went, shall we?

      1-Are you telling me, Grant, that you think that certain political parties should be banned? How does free speech and demopcracy even work if parties you don’t like get banned?

      NOT ANSWERED

      2- Where exactly have I made excuses for sharia? Please tell me exactly where I’ve said it. I personally think sharia law should oeprate like any other religious law, to be considered, but never superceded by the law of the nation of Australia. Have you found me something more cotroversial than that, or are you just making stuff up?

      NOT ANSWERED

      3- How many votes did the APP get in the last federal election compared to Greens, Socialists, everybody? What about just in the last NSW election-how did they do?

      NOT ANSWERED

      4- “So Adam Bandt is a politician who responds to his constituents, and has actually spent a lot of his life trying to help the most repressed and hurt members of our society. You call him an idiot. What is it agaqin that yo’ve done, that is so good, that you get to call people who are helping people idiots? ”

      NOT ANSWERED

      5- “Oh right, you support a guy who runs into women’s toilets. Yep, that’s so much more better than supporting your constituents, or helping people escape from sex slavery. Just for the record, Grant, you think loitering in a toilet like a pervert makes you a hero, and freeing people from sex slavery makes you an idiot, correct?”

      NOT ANSWERED

      6- :And naturally you’ll be equally complaining about the kosher symbol on many food as well-every time you buy that food, some money has to go to a rabbi.
      KINDA ANSWERED

      7- “Finally, he answers. But why so tardy, Grant? I’ve asked so many times “Have you ever met a Muslim” and “How has sharia effected you” and it’s taken you literally weeks to answer-why so slow? Were you unable to answer-or just had to quickly come up with an answer (Oh, actually let’s be honest here, including the sharia one it’s maybe half an answer)?

      NOT ANSWERED

      8- Great-and how were the Muslims you met? Were the yfreidnly, or frothing at the mouth and trying to kill you as soon as they met you?

      NOW ANSWERED

      9- So, just to be clear, sharia has affected you in a way that you can’t tell anyone, but definately does exist?
      I have never ever ever been threatened by Sharia despite working with, living with, and befriending Muslims. Please tell me how your situation is different.

      NOT ANSWERED

      10- Hey Grant, how do you know which verses in the Quran have been abrogated? What source do you get that from?”

      MAYBE ALMOST ANSWERED (No source mentioned)

      11- On what basis do you say the majority of Australia agrees with you, considering the majority of Australians in numerous studeis, which I have shown you, support multiculturalism, and any anti-immigration party has never gotten more than 9% of the national vote?

      NOT ANSWERED (Said you don’t believe in the study, but never presented alternative data)

      12-With some members running into women’s toilets, no support in the public sphere, what possible hope of a future does the APPhave?

      NOT ANSWERED

      So 12 questions asked, and at best you answered 2 of them (And that’s stretching the definition of answer).
      As I answered every single one of your questions, Grant, and you failed to answer all but at best two of mine, and as I said previously that if you failed to answer them you would be called a wanker for all eternity….what do you think should happen next?

      Are you now to be called a wanker Grant? Was that why you werre unable to answer the questions, because you knew that being a wanker is a title most appropriate to you?

      • ” Muslims play nice guy when low in number & power as per the example

        of the prophet. When they gain more power they become less tolerant-

        the true Islam.”

        Ah, so Muslims are all evil, or evil in hiding. So can any Muslim ever

        prove themselves innocent, or is your theory unable to be ever

        challenged? I mean, no matter what a Muslim ever does in their life,

        will you still consider them evil forever?

        Do you not see the problem with that? Let me put it the same way I put

        it to Otto: I think you’re a guy who’s going to go mad a kill a bunch

        of kids in the same of fighting Islam and Marxism, like Ander Behring

        Breivik. I think any denial of this, and any action that seems to be

        contrary to the action of an evil killer is just you waiting for a good

        moment to strike.

        Prove my theory wrong. If you can’t, you’re obviously a child murderer

        in wait, right?

        Now, have you understood why we have “innocent until proven guilty”?

        If you don’t get this now, best you go to the police station right now,

        and demand they arrest you, because they can’t be sure you won’t kill

        some kids in the future.

        “A” Fine then you would have fitted in perfectly in the 1920′s in

        Germany then, because i’m sure there were plenty of germans who thought

        Hitler wasn’t a threat.”

        So let’s be clear: Muslims, a religion of over 1 billion people, with

        a huge variety of religious and cultural beliefs, are exactly the same

        as Hitler, one man who generally has a limited set of beliefs (ie his

        own)?
        Or are you saying because it’s okay to judge one terrible man, it’s

        okay to judge 1 bn people? Don’t you see what’s wrong with that?

        Also, despite a third try, you still haven’t been able to answer:
        How has sharia law effected you directly?

        ” Your claim there is an equivalence between halal & kosher foods is

        also spurious. Jews collect money from kosher do they?”

        For meat to be kosher it needs to be blessed by a rabbi, right? These

        rabbis don’t work for free, you know.

        ” i object to any money I pay going to Jewish organisations for kosher

        or halal for that matter.”

        Cool-so why aren’t you starting facebook groups calling for the end of

        kosher food, banning kosher food, or calling kosher food cruel? Why

        does hallal only get that special attention?

        “You of course have no problems with the additional issue of animal

        cruelty that is involved.”

        Absolutely not. Just because I’m left wing doesn’t mean I believe in

        animal rights. I’m a carnivore-love eating meat. I respect

        vegetarians and all, but could never be one. And as I eat meat, I

        understand that for me to do it, an animal must die.

        Now, I’m sure, Grant, you like to tell yourself that before a cow does,

        it’s given a backrup, a full oil massage, a good wash and rub down, a

        kiss and a cuddle, and totally pampered until it says “Oh, thank you so

        much, I’m totally in favour of you killing me and eating my flesh”-but

        hate to tell you, that’s not the case!

        Killing animals for food is cruelty. You can either, like me, accept

        the cruelty as a necessary evil in order to eat delicious meat, or

        become a vegetarian, and not deal with it at all. Your belief of

        “Killing animals for meat is cruel when you do it, but not when I do

        it”-it’s simply idiotic. And before you go “Oh, but it’s humane when I

        do it”-ask yourself this: if a mate said “Hey Grant, do you mind if a

        stun you, and then slit your throat?”-would you say yes, or still think

        it’s wrong?

        Incidentally, before you say how “Hallal is super cruel to animals, and

        I hate it so much” while no doubt eating a steak and frying up some

        caged eggs, here’s a report from France suggesting that religious

        killing of animals, including hallal and sharia slaughter, is actually

        more humane than non-hallal methods. I look forward to you ignoring it

        because it doesn’t meet your worldview:
        http://www.asidcom.org/Report-the-welfare-of-animals-is.html

      • “So you vote for a party with communists in it then. Thankyou for

        coming.”

        You support a party with A) Holocaust Deniars, B) Nazi supporters, and

        C) Supporters of Ander Behring Breivik in it. Do you support all those

        views too? Looks more and more likely that you’re a child murderer

        now, doesn’t it?

        “How are you better than people who supported Hitler then? Because on

        that logic a Neo Nazi party would be eh ok with you.”

        I’m better than those who supported Hitler because I don’t support any

        party that wants to exterminate and murder entire groups of people that

        disagree with them. Nor do I support any party which wishes to outlaw

        another political party. Can you say the same?
        Let me know if you find a Greens policy calling for an entire group’s

        extermination, or banning of any political party that disagrees with

        them, okay? I’d love to read them!

        Incidentally, absolutely I’d allow a Neo-Nazi party to exist, as long

        as they obey the law. You gotta realise, Grant, I love democracy. I

        love, most of all, that it shows which values and beliefs are welcome

        in Australia, and which are unwelcome. So let the Neo-Nazi parties

        run, and when they bomb out in every election, much as the APP and AFP

        are doing, let the whole country acknowledge that their views are

        unwelcome and evil.

        “So that’s why you bitch 24/7 about the APP & other right wing groups

        that don’t cut it with you?”

        Oh, I don’t like the values of the APP and other right wing groups. Of

        course I don’t. And I don’t like how they lure people into their party

        by pretending to be open, then kick them out if they disagree in the

        slightest way. The APP has a lot of idiots, but also some people who

        wnat to help others, and see this as the way to do it. Don’t you think

        that if they care about the homeless, their lives would be better

        spent actually helping the homeless, rather than hating a particular

        group in society, and joining a political party that is nothing, has

        come from nothing and will go to nothing? That’s why I “Bitch” as you

        put it about the APP-so people will not be lured into their spin, and

        realise that the party is a piece of junk before they ever sign up.

        It also guarantees the party will NEVER EVER be elected (Grant, if you

        can find an Australian political party that has won a single seat,

        while stating it’s okay to kill Australian children, you let me know

        okay?), which brings me joy. After all, at every election no matter

        whether Labor or Liberals win, I’m still going to be happy at seeing

        the APP lose.

  48. “Studies done by university leftists? Done by the government? Or was it

    Get Up?”

    So you want to judge and challenge the studies presented? Go ahead,

    it’s your right to do so. But you better have some beter evidence,

    because no matter how unreliable a survey is, it’s more reliable than

    “My gut feeling”.
    So do you have any evidence that the majority of Australians oppose

    mulitculturalism? Yes or no?

    “The majority of Australians could not even define multiculturalism.”

    Okay-you define it then. What does it mean? I’ve defined it a few

    times for you, let’s hear your definition.

    “A: 18,000 terrorist attacks by muslims since 9/11 pretty much sums it

    up for me. The peaceful verses you quote are those that have been

    abrogated by less tolerant ones.”

    So, no source then on which verses have been abrogated? None at all?

    ” Muslims play nice guy when low in number & power as per the example

    of the prophet. When they gain more power they become less tolerant-

    the true Islam.”

    Ah, so Muslims are all evil, or evil in hiding. So can any Muslim ever

    prove themselves innocent, or is your theory unable to be ever

    challenged? I mean, no matter what a Muslim ever does in their life,

    will you still consider them evil forever?

    Do you not see the problem with that? Let me put it the same way I put

    it to Otto: I think you’re a guy who’s going to go mad a kill a bunch

    of kids in the same of fighting Islam and Marxism, like Ander Behring

    Breivik. I think any denial of this, and any action that seems to be

    contrary to the action of an evil killer is just you waiting for a good

    moment to strike.

    Prove my theory wrong. If you can’t, you’re obviously a child murderer

    in wait, right?

    Now, have you understood why we have “innocent until proven guilty”?

    If you don’t get this now, best you go to the police station right now,

    and demand they arrest you, because they can’t be sure you won’t kill

    some kids in the future.

    “A” Fine then you would have fitted in perfectly in the 1920′s in

    Germany then, because i’m sure there were plenty of germans who thought

    Hitler wasn’t a threat.”

    So let’s be clear: Muslims, a religion of over 1 billion people, with

    a huge variety of religious and cultural beliefs, are exactly the same

    as Hitler, one man who generally has a limited set of beliefs (ie his

    own)?
    Or are you saying because it’s okay to judge one terrible man, it’s

    okay to judge 1 bn people? Don’t you see what’s wrong with that?

    Also, despite a third try, you still haven’t been able to answer:
    How has sharia law effected you directly?

    ” Your claim there is an equivalence between halal & kosher foods is

    also spurious. Jews collect money from kosher do they?”

    For meat to be kosher it needs to be blessed by a rabbi, right? These

    rabbis don’t work for free, you know.

    ” i object to any money I pay going to Jewish organisations for kosher

    or halal for that matter.”

    Cool-so why aren’t you starting facebook groups calling for the end of

    kosher food, banning kosher food, or calling kosher food cruel? Why

    does hallal only get that special attention?

    “You of course have no problems with the additional issue of animal

    cruelty that is involved.”

    Absolutely not. Just because I’m left wing doesn’t mean I believe in

    animal rights. I’m a carnivore-love eating meat. I respect

    vegetarians and all, but could never be one. And as I eat meat, I

    understand that for me to do it, an animal must die.

    Now, I’m sure, Grant, you like to tell yourself that before a cow does,

    it’s given a backrup, a full oil massage, a good wash and rub down, a

    kiss and a cuddle, and totally pampered until it says “Oh, thank you so

    much, I’m totally in favour of you killing me and eating my flesh”-but

    hate to tell you, that’s not the case!

    Killing animals for food is cruelty. You can either, like me, accept

    the cruelty as a necessary evil in order to eat delicious meat, or

    become a vegetarian, and not deal with it at all. Your belief of

    “Killing animals for meat is cruel when you do it, but not when I do

    it”-it’s simply idiotic. And before you go “Oh, but it’s humane when I

    do it”-ask yourself this: if a mate said “Hey Grant, do you mind if a

    stun you, and then slit your throat?”-would you say yes, or still think

    it’s wrong?

    Incidentally, before you say how “Hallal is super cruel to animals, and

    I hate it so much” while no doubt eating a steak and frying up some

    caged eggs, here’s a report from France suggesting that religious

    killing of animals, including hallal and sharia slaughter, is actually

    more humane than non-hallal methods. I look forward to you ignoring it

    because it doesn’t meet your worldview:
    http://www.asidcom.org/Report-the-welfare-of-animals-is.html

    “Please also state, as i asked before, why Coptic Christians have felt

    the need to flee egypt.”

    Oh, when did you ask this? You asked if I had met Coptic Christians,

    and I said happily that they had. You see, I can only answer the

    questions you ask me, not A) The Questions you ask someone else, or B)

    the questions you wished you asked but didn’t.

    Anyway, coptic christians are escaping Egypt because Muslim extremists,

    seeing a power vacuum, are flexing their muscles and forcing out those

    who might challenge their power. Obviously.

    Now, are you saying that we should judge all Muslims based on the work

    of extremists Muslims in Egypt? If so, does that extend to say,

    judging the French on the actions of the Germans in WWII? Because

    tha’ts about as much sense as your idea is.

    “Wow, didn’t know there was a stop watch going.”

    I asked a question repeatedly. You responded to parts of the question,

    yet never answered it. So why ignore it? Why keep avoiding the

    question?

    Kinda like what you’ve done again. I repeat-what happened when you met

    a real life Muslim? Did they gnash their teeth, bark hatred at you,

    and eat your baby? Or did they just go along with their life, and

    generally do nothing to cause fault?

    “So you vote for a party with communists in it then. Thankyou for

    coming.”

    You support a party with A) Holocaust Deniars, B) Nazi supporters, and

    C) Supporters of Ander Behring Breivik in it. Do you support all those

    views too? Looks more and more likely that you’re a child murderer

    now, doesn’t it?

    “How are you better than people who supported Hitler then? Because on

    that logic a Neo Nazi party would be eh ok with you.”

    I’m better than those who supported Hitler because I don’t support any

    party that wants to exterminate and murder entire groups of people that

    disagree with them. Nor do I support any party which wishes to outlaw

    another political party. Can you say the same?
    Let me know if you find a Greens policy calling for an entire group’s

    extermination, or banning of any political party that disagrees with

    them, okay? I’d love to read them!

    Incidentally, absolutely I’d allow a Neo-Nazi party to exist, as long

    as they obey the law. You gotta realise, Grant, I love democracy. I

    love, most of all, that it shows which values and beliefs are welcome

    in Australia, and which are unwelcome. So let the Neo-Nazi parties

    run, and when they bomb out in every election, much as the APP and AFP

    are doing, let the whole country acknowledge that their views are

    unwelcome and evil.

    “So that’s why you bitch 24/7 about the APP & other right wing groups

    that don’t cut it with you?”

    Oh, I don’t like the values of the APP and other right wing groups. Of

    course I don’t. And I don’t like how they lure people into their party

    by pretending to be open, then kick them out if they disagree in the

    slightest way. The APP has a lot of idiots, but also some people who

    wnat to help others, and see this as the way to do it. Don’t you think

    that if they care about the homeless, their lives would be better

    spent actually helping the homeless, rather than hating a particular

    group in society, and joining a political party that is nothing, has

    come from nothing and will go to nothing? That’s why I “Bitch” as you

    put it about the APP-so people will not be lured into their spin, and

    realise that the party is a piece of junk before they ever sign up.

    It also guarantees the party will NEVER EVER be elected (Grant, if you

    can find an Australian political party that has won a single seat,

    while stating it’s okay to kill Australian children, you let me know

    okay?), which brings me joy. After all, at every election no matter

    whether Labor or Liberals win, I’m still going to be happy at seeing

    the APP lose.

    “Where? Like stating that Muslim women were above being ridiculed?

    Can she speak for herself or do you have to hold her hand 24/7. Does

    she repudiate sharia law?”

    I’m not holding her hand. I’m just pointing out you never responded to

    what she actually said. Just went after her because she’s a Muslim and

    a woman. Tough guy you!

  49. Apologies if I’m spamming, TAB. I just don’t want Grant to think I’ve been unable to answer his questions like he’s been unable to answer mine.

    • JM – I for one appreciate how you took the time to serve the Eternal Mastubator with a full course (including dessert) of ‘fuck off you tool’ with a side of ‘take your head out of your arse’.

      I hope the Perpetual Monkey-Spanker gets the message that ‘feelings’ don’t quite equate to ‘hard facts’ or ‘raw data’…

      Grantstebator – ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS ALREADY!

      • ahhhhh so the people who really count have to conform to your view, and here I was thinking you lot believed everyone was equal and who’s opinion regardless of whether or not you liked it, was valid and allowed to be made in public…how wrong was I D’OH

        • Racism, bigotry ,hate speech and pseudo-political hate sites are not acceptable and will be treated with the contempt they deserve.

          Trolls also are unacceptable and will be engineered or deleted, so take note. You are a troll.

        • “Reacharound” (And by the way, what is it with you guys and sexual names? Is that your kink?)-how exactly can a site be a troll?

        • 1. Where did I say i wanted people killed? Fuck off retard.
          You however support the Australian Greens that have communists. Please explain?

          2. Multiculturalism is a doctrine you fuckwit, but that fact seems to have escaped a Green voting kumbaya fuckwit. Fuck off.

          3.How has global warming affected you so far, dunce? You vote for the Aust. Greens. Fuck off.

          4. I’ll be as slow as I like fucker, what, you think I kiss your stupid Green voting arse? Fuck off. Federally the Greens are fucked, having Bob Brown dictate to Gillard is perfect, the electorate has woken up to the extremism that you promote. You’ve done our work for us. LOL

          5. You don’t have a be an extreme leftist inner city fucker like Bandt to help disadvantaged.
          So fucking what? Fuck off.

          6. How many seats did the Greens get recently in QLD? Answer: Fucking none. Bob Katter got more than you. Fuck off. Gillard is fucked, as is her alliance with Bob Brown your days federally are numbered, with a reduced vote. LOL.

          7.Where did I say this, dunce? You and your fellow travellers here, have amply demonstrated that free speech is the preserve of the far left only. The usual feigned indignation.

          8. You have aided & abetted Muslim immigration, sat back & sung kumbaya while this cult spreads, with its mosques, schools, the honour killings, the forced marriages, the FGM, Muslim/middle eastern crime, associated ass kissing, excuse making, attacks on Hindu temples and Christian churches. Then told the Australian people it’s their job to solve the problems this medieval cult has created.

          An expansion of Islam dunce is an expansion of sharia. There is separation of religion & state and sharia in Islam.
          .

        • “His audience consists of the paranoid elderly, the fearful, the lonely and the shut-ins.

          The people who really count listen to other radio stations.”

          “ahhhhh so the people who really count have to conform to your view, and here I was thinking you lot believed everyone was equal and who’s opinion regardless of whether or not you liked it, was valid and allowed to be made in public…how wrong was I D’OH”

          LOL, yeah because they listen to Alan Jones he attempts to smear & marginalise them. Yep, we’re all equal except people that disagree with him Ha ha ha. Communist.

          Yep, it’s hard to cope with the fact that Jones consistantly tops Sydney drive time, year after year after year. while leftist stations ( including ABC) consistantly are near the bottom. Mike Carlton was so bad he was demoted with a pay cut. LOL.

        • WRONG.

          702 consistently out-performs Jones. Jones has a very limited audience from one demographic.

          Carlton didn’t “take a pay cut”. He also works for Fairfax as a columnist and wanted time with his young family.

        • “1. Where did I say i wanted people killed? Fuck off retard.”

          You support the APP, right? The APP has as tis core membership people who support, actively and tacitly, and even call for the murder of children who disagree with them. Please find me a Green’s politician doing the same and I’ll have to justify my support of the Green party.

          ” You however support the Australian Greens that have communists. Please explain?”

          You support a party that has people supporting the murder of children in it. You explain!
          Or is it a case taht communism is an evil, but murderign children, that’s jsut a harmless bit of fun?

          And good work on ignoring the question, which once again was:
          I don’t support any party that wants to exterminate and murder entire groups of people that disagree with them. Nor do I support any party which wishes to outlaw another political party. Can you say the same?

          “2. Multiculturalism is a doctrine you fuckwit, but that fact seems to have escaped a Green voting kumbaya fuckwit. Fuck off.”

          Completely ignored the question yet again, which was:
          On what basis do you say the majority of Australia agrees with you

          “3.How has global warming affected you so far, dunce? You vote for the Aust. Greens. Fuck off.”

          Polite as ever. I can’t believe with such a PR spokesperson like yourself, I simply can’t believe the APP has failed to ever have a succesful rally or an election campaign.

          So is your argument that if my belief in global warming, which is by no means a core belief of mine, though it is backed up by scientists around the world, hasn’t effected me directly yet, therefore your absolutely core belief that Msulims are all going to turn around and kill you, which is backed up by some guys you met on the internet, is absolutely valid? is that it?

          And completely ignored the question yet again, which was:
          I have never ever ever been threatened by Sharia despite working with, living with, and befriending Muslims. Please tell me how your situation is different.

          “4. I’ll be as slow as I like fucker, what, you think I kiss your stupid Green voting arse? Fuck off. ”

          Is that the APP election campaign slogan now: “Agree with us, or fuck off”? Wow-really selling your party well, aren’t you?

          And completely ignored the question yet again, which was:
          I’ve asked so many times “Have you ever met a Muslim” and “How has sharia effected you” and it’s taken you literally weeks to answer-why so slow? Were you unable to answer-or just had to quickly come up with an answer

          “5. You don’t have a be an extreme leftist inner city fucker like Bandt to help disadvantaged.
          So fucking what? Fuck off.”

          So…how exactly have you, Grant, helped the disadvantaged? That was what the question was. You are able to read, aren’t you?

          “6. How many seats did the Greens get recently in QLD? Answer: Fucking none. Bob Katter got more than you. Fuck off. Gillard is fucked, as is her alliance with Bob Brown your days federally are numbered, with a reduced vote. LOL.”

          Sure, Labour’s heading for a fall. But the APP can’t fall, because it’s never risen. It’s hard to crash and burn when you’re still stuck on the tarmac.
          And I’m still waiting on hearing how Katter’s party doing well is the same thing as the APP doign well. Is Katter a supporter of the APP? Is Katter’s party calling for the end of all non-white immigration, and for all non-white residents to be financially encouraged to return home?
          And ignored the question yet again:
          How many votes did the APP get in the last federal election compared to Greens, Socialists, everybody? What about just in the last NSW election-how did they do?

          “7.Where did I say this, dunce? You and your fellow travellers here, have amply demonstrated that free speech is the preserve of the far left only”

          Grant, you have a huge problem with a party having communists in it. Are they allowed to exist in your view, or should that political belief be banned?
          And far beyond me calling for the end of free speech-on this very page you will see my stating I support the right of the APP and even a Nazi party to exist, as long as they obey the law.

          “8. You have aided & abetted Muslim immigration, sat back & sung kumbaya while this cult spreads, with its mosques, schools, the honour killings, the forced marriages, the FGM, Muslim/middle eastern crime, associated ass kissing, excuse making, attacks on Hindu temples and Christian churches. ”

          So I tacitly supporting sharia law by not telling Muslims I hate them? Just as you tacitly support child murder by not criticising APP members who call for the murder of children, right? That’s fair, right?

          Hell, I actually think you’re supporting sharia more and more, albeit indirectly. Look at it this way. They are fundmanetalists, traditionalists in Islam, just as there are in every religion, Grant. Those people say “Those who do not follow our belief in the exact way we say are not like us, and will not ever be happy with us”-and then, normally, get ignored by the majority of the followers of their religion, as soon as they find people who don’t follow that belief who are actually pretty nice people.

          You might recognise the exact same process in fundamentalist christian or Catholic groups. Hell, you’ll find the same process in the APP!

          But here’s how you damage that process, and lend more weight to the fundamentalists. You go out saying “Every single Muslim, from old men down to babies, nay down to foetuses, can never be a part of Australia. Hell, even a Muslim foetus is a terrorist!” and “Even if they’re nice to me, and save my life, they can never fit in”-and oyu know what, those crazy fundamentalists point to you, and tell all the other followers, who were ignoring him, “Look-I’m right. This guy hates us for no reason, no matter what we do. So don’t trust your country, don’t trust anyone who doesn’t follow our belief-trust our traditions. In fact, better keep some of our dodgy ones out just in case-because that’s all we got!” So the followers of those religions cling to their tiniest aspect of their religion because they think they have nothing else to support them-and they think that because you’re there telling them they have nothing else to support them.

          You just reinforce each other. You’re two sides of a crazy coin, reinforcing each other’s belief in the threat of your opposite. You’re your own worst enemy. You know that right?

          By the way, you have a lot of evidence of honour killings in Australia, right? It’s not just another thing you saw online, and decided to state was a threat to Australia without any evdience? Because you’ve done that a lot, you know.

    • “Alan Jones is N0 1 in Sydney drivetime. LOL”

      Great-he’s a hit in one state, in one time slot, in one form of outdated media, rapidly being replaced by mp3 players.
      Next you’ll be telling us the APP is a hit with Fax machines! Whatever it takes to tell yourself that despite poor showing in every single election, despite consistent reports showing a majority of Australians support multiculturalism, and despite your inability to find any reports showing anything that challenges the above statements….your party still has a chancei n hell in being succesful at anything.

      And, for tradition’s sake, here’s the questions Grant can’t answer:
      1- “I don’t support any party that wants to exterminate and murder entire groups of people that disagree with them. Nor do I support any party which wishes to outlaw another political party. Can you say the same?

      2- On what basis do you say the majority of Australia agrees with you, considering the majority of Australians in numerous studeis, which I have shown you, support multiculturalism, and any anti-immigration party has never gotten more than 9% of the national vote?

      3- So, just to be clear, sharia has affected you in a way that you can’t tell anyone, but definately does exist?
      I have never ever ever been threatened by Sharia despite working with, living with, and befriending Muslims. Please tell me how your situation is different.

      4- “Finally, he answers. But why so tardy, Grant? I’ve asked so many times “Have you ever met a Muslim” and “How has sharia effected you” and it’s taken you literally weeks to answer-why so slow? Were you unable to answer-or just had to quickly come up with an answer (Oh, actually let’s be honest here, including the sharia one it’s maybe half an answer)?

      5- So Adam Bandt is a politician who responds to his constituents, and has actually spent a lot of his life trying to help the most repressed and hurt members of our society. You call him an idiot. What is it agaqin that yo’ve done, that is so good, that you get to call people who are helping people idiots? ”

      6- How many votes did the APP get in the last federal election compared to Greens, Socialists, everybody? What about just in the last NSW election-how did they do?

      7- Are you telling me, Grant, that you think that certain political parties should be banned? How does free speech and demopcracy even work if parties you don’t like get banned?

      8- Where exactly have I made excuses for sharia? Please tell me exactly where I’ve said it. I personally think sharia law should oeprate like any other religious law, to be considered, but never superceded by the law of the nation of Australia. Have you found me something more cotroversial than that, or are you just making stuff up?

  50. Whoever wrote this article is a fuckwit. Your questions pose no relevance to the topic.
    Rapes in burkas etc blah blah blah.
    National security will always be more important that whinging muslims feelings. If you think you could identify a person in a line up or by CCTV that committed an offence in a burka then you must have x-ray fucking vision. I doubt that you could even determine whether it was a man or a woman. A valid issue that was exposed by these protesters.
    The basic line that is being taken by regular Australians is that the burka is intimidating, it is unfortunately attached to a culture that has a history of terrorism whether they like it or not, and most importantly, we want it banned as a proactive step towards terrorism. Your first question should not be “If balaclavas have been banned in banks, how come bank robbers still choose to wear them while robbing banks?” It should be if balaclavas are banned in banks then why arnt burkas?
    As if a terrorist and a bank robber have the same motives.
    [CENSORED FOR INSULTING THE MODS]

    • The blog was posted on the 2nd April 2012

      MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO!!

      We knew the junkariat were slow but that is ridiculous.

      1. The basic line that is being taken by regular Australians

      You mean the whining bigots like you who somehow managed to avoid the psych ward?

      2. the burka is intimidating

      No it’s not. Probably because it stops yobbos like you from perving. And it is very very rare. Also what you think is a burka is actually a chador. Also very rare.

      And try telling any woman in Australia what she should wear and you will end up with a well-deserved thick ear.

      troy
      troytroytroy2006@yahoo.com
      182.239.170.57

      IP Address: 182.239.170.57
      ISP: Adam Internet Pty Ltd
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      Don’t bother coming back.

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