Since way back in 2009, the bogots have had their panties in a twist over proposed changes to Australia Day. A chain email went around telling people that the Government was going to change the name of Australia Day to ‘Citizen’s Day’. Of course, the natural bogot reaction was to immediately believe a chain email and not to do a little bit of research to validate such an outrageous claim.
The closest we ever came to a change in anything Australia Day related was back in ’09 when Australian of the Year and Indigenous academic and activist Mick Dodson suggested that it seemed a little morbid that we celebrate a day of invasion and dispossession of the original inhabitants of the land, the Aboriginal people. Prime Minister at the time Kevin Rudd’s response? “…a simple, respectful, but straightforward no.”
The day when Australia came into existence as a country was January 1st, 1901. But we already have a public holiday on that day so why bother replacing it, right?
The power of the British Parliament to legislate for Australia was not legally removed until the adoption of the Australia Act in 1986. This Act came into force on 3rd March, but I think that’s a bit too obscure for most people to want to claim that as Australia Day.
On the 27th of May, 1967 a referendum was passed enabling Aboriginal people to be counted in the National census for the first time (ie. become recognised as actual humans and citizens of our country). But to pander to the Abos would be outrageous according to the bogots who rose up against people like Ron Barassi for lending support to the notion.
It seems that Australia Day has become little more than a public holiday where Aussies are encouraged to get as drunk as they can and fill themselves to breaking point full of BBQed meat. It’s a day where we see the Australian flag draped over sweaty bodies and dragged through the dirt, and then held in front of non-whites to kiss. And the slightest hint that we should be reflective of the contributions of all Australians regardless of their origin or religion is screamed down and laughed at by the small bogan population who long for the olden days where non-whites were refused entry because of imaginary perilous diseases and women were restricted to the kitchen and the bedroom.
Mitch Fing isn’t racist as he has Samoan and Tongan friends. But he thinks they should probably ‘get back on the boat’.
Ouch… Wouldn’t want to offend those guys.
Longing for the blokey back-slapping, circle-jerking, testosterone and alcohol fuelled day of rioting in ‘nulla…
Non-racist Mitch Fing agrees and offers to start some riots in Macquarie Fields!
And where else would you expect to find raving lunatics discussing so called changes to Australia Day? Stormfart of course! Note: 2010 origination of post:
More comments and groups made back in 2010 agonising over a proposed change that was never even proposed. Is it so hard for these melodramatic failfucks to do a bit of research?
Anyway, celebrate the day however you choose. And wave the damn flag as much as you please as long as you don’t act like a fuckwit and bring our country’s reputation into disrepute as you do it.
Some light reading to finish with:
Study shows racist views link to car flags
Professor Farida Fozdar
Monday, 23 January 2012
People who fly Australia Day flags on their cars tend to express more racist attitudes than others without flags, according to research findings at The University of Western Australia.
UWA sociologist and anthropologist Professor Farida Fozdar and a team of assistants surveyed 513 people at last year’s Australia Day fireworks on Perth’s Swan River foreshore.
One in five said they had attached flags to their cars to celebrate Australia Day.
Professor Fozdar said 43 per cent of those with car flags said they believed the now-abandoned White Australia Policy had saved Australia from many problems experienced by other countries, while only 25 per cent without flags agreed.
(Non-Europeans were barred from migrating to Australia until after World War II, when immigration restrictions began to ease.)
A total of 56 per cent of people with car flags feared their culture and its most important values were in danger, compared with 34 per cent of non-flaggers.
And 35 per cent of flaggers felt that people had to be born in Australia to be truly Australian, while 23 per cent believed that true Australians had to be Christian, compared with 22 per cent and 18 per cent respectively for non-flaggers.
Professor Fozdar said her research also revealed clear differences in how people with car flags felt towards minority groups.
Only 39 per cent of flaggers expressed a positive view towards Aboriginal Australians compared with 47 per cent of non-flaggers, 19 per cent of flaggers felt positive towards Muslim Australians compared with 26 per cent of non-flaggers; seven per cent of flaggers were positive towards asylum seekers compared with 24 per cent of non-flaggers, and 27 per cent with flags felt positive towards Asian Australians compared with 48 per cent of non-flaggers.
Three survey questions sought views on Australian cultural diversity: 64 per cent of people with car flags agreed that it was good for people from different ethnic, religious and racial groups to live in Australia, compared with 75 per cent of non-flaggers.
An overwhelming 91 per cent of people with car flags agreed that people who move to Australia should adopt Australian values, compared with 76 per cent of non-flaggers.
A total of 55 per cent of flaggers believed migrants should leave their old ways behind, compared with 30 per cent of non-flaggers.
However majorities of both groups – 60 per cent of flaggers and 73 per cent of non-flaggers – also felt that it was best to respect and learn from each other’s cultural differences.
Professor Fozdar said there was no clear link between education, gender, ethnicity, citizenship, voting pattern or income and flag flying, although her survey showed a slightly higher likelihood of younger rather than older people adopting the practice.
In terms of nationalism, 88 per cent of those with Australia Day car flags said they thought it showed they were proud to be Australian, while only 52 per cent of those without flags thought so.
Some thought the increased popularity of flying Australia Day car flags was due to increased patriotism while others said it was simply peer pressure to follow the trend or avoid seeming unpatriotic.
Many said it was due to marketing and the cheap availability of car flags, while some thought it was a response to loss of culture due to multiculturalism, immigration, invasion and terrorism.
“What I found interesting is that many people didn’t really have much to say about why they chose to fly car flags or not,” Professor Fozdar said.
“Many felt strongly patriotic about it – and for some, this was quite a racist or exclusionary type of patriotism – but it wasn’t a particularly conscious thing for many.
“Very clear statistical differences in attitudes to diversity between those who fly car flags and those who don’t, show that flag waving – while not inherently exclusionary – is linked in this instance to negative attitudes about those who do not fit the ‘mainstream’ stereotype’.”
Professor Fozdar said fewer people said they flew Australia Day car flags last year – one in five – compared with 2010 when it was one in four.
And Nine Network’s A Current Affair featured this coverage of Professor Fozdar’s research.
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“It’s on the cards according to 2GB”. Must be true then. BTW happy Boat People Day to all of the above.
Love it, “Happy Boat People Day” indeed! 2GB – totally credible, haha!
Happy Migrants Day!
Straya Day (Yeah Cunt!)’ – inspired by Trey Parker and Matt Stone’s masterpiece, ‘America (Fuck Yeah!)
I struggle with my feeling on Australia Day every year. I like the idea of having a day to celebrate the nation but the our official day is not on the most ideal date. So part of me wants to go to the Invasion/Survival/Sovereignty Day events and the other part wants to go outside and sing We Are Australian while wearing green and gold. Australia Day is like our version of US Columbus Day the difference being they have Independence Day too/instead.
I’m proud to be Australian. And my concept of being Australian does not involve being racist. It is moreso the encompassing of mutiple different cultures and the celebration of the beauty that we have around us. It’s paying respect and hommage to our indigenous populations, and those who have joined us along the journey. I don’t feel ashamed to be Australian, I’m glad to belong to a country that has so much beauty, history, and awesome people. I know there is a small undercurrent of racist idiots who have “proclaimed” the southern cross as their own, and who ‘twist’ our history to suit themselves – but I refuse to let them ruin my relationship with my country. They will not appropriate the things that make us who we are for their own racist ends. That would be giving them “victory”.
So, rather than lament all of the “bad” things in Aussie culture, I want to also play the devils advocate a bit and say that there are a lot of us – myself included – who are proud of who we are as a nation, but yet, are not racist or bogans. And personally, being overseas at the moment (and have been for the last 10 years), you start to really appreciate how lucky we are in Australia, how much we miss what we take for granted – when you’ve been away for a long time. Compared to some countries; Australia is so lucky. Even when it comes to racism and discrimination, (you should see what it’s like in Europe).
Nothing excuses racism, discrimination or anti-social behaviour. On the other hand, I wont let those who do that to appropriate our nation and ruin Australia Day for me. It will be a day of celebration, and hope – hope for a nation that will find its way; a way where everyone can get along, regardless of where you come from or the colour of your skin, or lifestyle choices…
Happy Australia Day!
I agree with the whole “not letting xenophobic douchebags ruin the celebrations” thing (I realise those were not exactly your words) and I have indeed gone out on Australia Day many years in a row and even dressed up for the day, but I still don’t think the date is ideal. You can make the day your own, and while some people may be yelling xenophobic bullshit on the day, we can celebrate Australia for the multicultural nation that it is but I still think no matter how much you define Australia Day for yourself it doesn’t change what happened on the 26th of January in 1788 and what that meant for the people who were already on this land and the things that followed for many generations after and it makes sense to me that so many Indigenous Aussies would consider it Invasion Day. So, yes I think we should have a day called “Australia Day” but if someone asked me to honestly tell them if I think the date should be changed the answer is absolutely yes.
I see what you mean totally, BiLinguo. If we’re just looking at a date – then you’re right, it was not the most ‘appropriate’ choice. However, honestly – it’s just a date; and it’s one that will be difficult to change in the mentality of most Australians – for that date has a different meaning for all of us… I’m of Aboriginal descent, and (just personally), I think the ‘date’ is not that important. I think we should ALL celebrate Australia Day today in a spirit of reconciliation, hope and forgiveness. A way of settling our differences and finding a common love: for our wide brown land and all it represents. As a wise man once said, “The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong”.
In my opinion, I don’t think that even changing the date would do anything to advance the issue of the treatment of indigenous Australians – as again, it’s just a date.
However, actual concrete policies that would ensure that indigenous rights are recognised and changing the way that we present “history” within our nation would be a lot more useful towards changing those xenophoblic attitudes that you mentioned. After all – we have almost no Aboriginal history in our schools (in fact, when I went to school – the first fleet was almost presented as the “European saviors”, coming over to “help out” the “natives” in our text books: Aboriginal history wasn’t even studied – as they say, “history is written by the vainqueurs”); and unlike NZ, we have no Aboriginal language classes included in the school curriculum, etc etc. Ignorance breeds, and we do nothing to stop it.
Instead of focusing on a ‘date’ – we should be focusing on how we can move forward, hand in hand and with common goals, as a nation – with everyone included. As mentalities change – the day will take on a new significance and that “date”, new meaning.
However, by attacking “head on” the bogans who have appropriated the day as their own, by suggesting to change the date, or by throwing things at the PM, etc – it doesn’t advance our chances for reconciliation at all. If we end up going down the road of “Invasion Day” vs “Australia Day” – I think that all we are doing when we do that is to draw battle lines.
“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.”
Well said! I can’t wait until Aussies like us (and there are many, many) get more airtime and publicity than the minority of people whom as you said, claim the Sothern Cros as their own with an “us and them” mentality.
Why does being proud of your country and nationality have to be tied to racism?
I have friend from plenty of different backgrounds who are proud to be Australian. Even my wife speaks fluent Greek and her parents emigrated from Greece, but hang the Autralian flag on Australia Day. It makes me laugh to read the comments here on “both side of the fence” Anyway, I’m glad to read your comments as you couldn’t have put it more simply or with more common sense.
Maybe if we ever become a republic we will change the national day to the day we become a republic…probably not though.
That sounds like a good solution, Brown&Aussie!
Although, I can already imagine the arguments that would rage over the flag… lol
Australia day is australia day. Dont change the name and dont change the date. If you dont like it then piss off.
Truly a deeply felt response :p
seriously agree with most people on this topic, it is OUR day it is for Australians there is no need to change the date or the name it has been this was for so long. It is so wrong to even think about changing it. Yea so what if we get a bit out there and wear our flags on us on January the 26th and kiss it as people walk by its not as though we are saying piss off you black piece of shit this is our day …. we are just showing how proud we are to be Australian if it is that much of a problem then fuck off you are a visitor here unless you have become a citizen and if you have done that then fucking grab OUR flag and fucking kiss it too!!
Grabbing elderly people off the street and trying to shove a flag down their throats as we have seen in news clips is typical of immature brainless hoon boganism.
No wonder so many everyday Aussies stay home on Australia Day rather than attending any so-called “celebrations”.
I think you can love Australia but being proud of being Australian is a bit odd if you were born here. You didn’t do anything to achieve that Australianness, you just happened to be pushed out of someone who was on Australian soil.
Try actually achieving something and being proud of it, and try celebrating something about the country that isn’t something directly related to the genocide of its existing inhabitants.
And Australian soldiers deployed overseas in defence of their nation Cara?
Did they just get pushed out of someone onto Australian soil or are they allowed to be proud to serve under the flag of their nation?
Also I can’t remember ever celebrating the genocide of Aboriginals. I do however remember being proud to be Australian as I watched and heard reports of men and women of this country succeed in many avenues of life in the past, present and no doubt will in the future.
Celebrating the highs and lows of all those that call this country home and celebrating the stories of the past is what the day is about. Not genocide.
German migrants that settled the Barossa Valley and made it what it is today, the ongoing and progressive reconciliation of the Aboriginal people, Darwin rebuilding on the backs of neighbours who had never met but came together to help, in 1895 South Australia being the first State to accord women the vote, Edith Cowan (read about her), all the wars and conflict that our troops have participated in, anti discrimination laws for gay men and women at the commonwealth level.
Whether you agree to the immigration, gay rights, racism, defence, political decisions and many other controversial and argument starting topics that we see and hear about on a daily basis they all hold uniquely AUSTRALIAN stories created and home grown here on our very shores.
Lets all relax, welcome those to our country that are willing to embrace what we have here (while maintaining their own identities) and let our political masters make the call on the issues unless your willing to go above and beyond social media in fighting your causes (facebook activists), then go right ahead and make a difference because that to is what we deem as Australian.
Lets also keep the Australia Day tag but remember what that day is. It’s not Invasion Day, Get back on your boat day, Have an anti muslim / anti skippy / anti abo / anti whitey day. It’s a day that celebrates the indigenous that were here first, it celebrates the day that the English were silly enough to think they were punishing us but gave us paradise, it celebrates your mother or father or grandfather or grandmother arriving to a new country and carving out a piece for you to have your views, life and say without being chopped down (or shot!!) for your opinions.
Get a grip people and be an Australian. No worries.
Fakename-I was born in Australia, as have my ancestors since at least the 1850’s. I love Australia day-it’s a day for me and my friends get together, have a BBQ and listen to Triple J.
However, I wouldn’t mind if the flag changed to something more unique to Australia, rather than an odd copy of the British flag which is frequently mistaken for New Zealand, or Fiji. I also think the day chosen could be better if it was a day that Aborigines could join in the celebration for.
Why must I kiss the flag? I’d much rather kiss my wife!
No one wants the flag slobbered on by inbred yobbos. Leave it alone.
40,000 likes and some delightful comments…*facepalm
I am an Australian.
And I call a gook a gook and a dirty filthy muslim just that
This is who we are, dont like it then FUCK OFF, or say it to my face and see what happens.
I will no longer be dictated to.. I will now do the dictating.
Speak Australian or I will bash you or publically vilify you.
If you change the name of our proud Austrtalia day, watch out.. you cant handle the consequences of that action and you will NOT LIKE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. This is a threat, understand you are messing with our honor.
I am an Australian. And I will call a stupid, brain dead, inbred racist fuckwit a stupid, brain dead, inbred racist fuckwit.
Consider yourself labeled.
Couldn’t agree with you more mate!
Gerard, you’re an idiot. But feel free to panic about the naming of Australia day (Will never happened), and then go on threatening people about an imaginary threat. And demand people speak a language that doesn’t exist (We speak ENGLISH in Australia, not Australian, you idiot.
“And I call a gook a gook and a dirty filthy muslim just that”
And this is exactly why no one likes you, you will die alone, and you spend your time pretending to be a tough guy online.
Holy mother of retard.
Please, never have children.
I am an Australian.
Unfortunately
This is who we are
Speak for yourself moron
Speak Australian
We are all for the preservation of Indigenous languages
messing with our honor.
We spell it “honour” here you US-centric git
Now fuck off pineapple head.
bhahahaa – OWNED!
nice work, Mindmadeup.
seriously, what a mungbean this guy is.
Do you a call a spade a dirty spade, too?
Maybe if we threw out all the retarded haters like you that don’t embody what it is to be Australian. (23% of Australian’s were born outside of the country) We could increase legal migration for people that would contribute to welfare rather than suckle off of its tit.
I tell you what since your already spelling things the Americanised way why don’t we just send you to one of their Southern states I’m sure you will be welcomed with open arms.
Sounds like a Win Win to me.
You spelt Australia wrong……
Yeah, it’s so easy to make threats from the comfort of your own home. That comment made you sound like an uncultured 16 year old., you’re not of course, are you. You’ve met non-white Australians, and you’ve had no quarrel with them, right? They walk past you in the street, they mind their own business. They don’t run up to you in the supermarket and steal the last loaf of Tip Top straight from your hand, they dont push in at the bus or train station, they don’t knock on your door on Saturday mornings asking for handouts or for you to give up your Australian identity, they haven’t come in to your place of work and demanded your boss sack you only to hire them.
They apply for jobs like we do, they do their shopping like we do, their mind their own business like we do. They just want a quite, safe, and happy life like we do.
Tv shows like ACA and Today Tonight use fear tactics to create moral panics not so that we can be alert to a problem but so that they will have high numbers of viewers in order to ensure financial stimultaion via advertising. People go to those programs with one bad story of a non-white then the programs journalists stitch facts with fiction, they weave inaccurate information together to make it seem as though some great injustice is occurring to the whitr population of Australia. Those programs use particular wording, for example “invasion of illegal immigrants” sounds like an actual threat whereas terminology like “arrival of asylum seekers” is simply bland. It’s those things we need to watch for when viewing those programs, ‘invasion’ versus ‘arrival’, ‘illegals’ versus ‘refugees’ or ‘asylum seekers’. Even in their stories about white people on the dole exploiting the system, the wording is inflammatory, for example they will use words like, ‘dole bludger’, ‘conning the system’, ‘lazy’, rather than more accurate words like ‘unemployed’, ‘on welfare benefits’, ‘had a job which didn’t work out’.
Those programs also use images and footage that is very often not gathered for the particular story they are reporting. On a story abt the death of a young man holidaying in Bali the show used footage that was taken nowhere near where the young man had died, but the footage made the place look like an unpoliced, money-making, anything goes, death trap.
These shows don’t care about the truth, they care only about stable income.
One story on ACA was about an elderly woman, living alone in a cheap one room bedsit. They reported that her landlord had handcuffed her to a radiator in her bedsit, they showed footage of her actually handcuffed to the radiator. The truth was that the elderly woman said she felt trapped because her landlord was an arsehead. The journalist made a suggestion to her that the story would get more attention if they could physically show what her feelings are by enacting the handcuffing. ACA retracted the story and ultimately apologised for being misleading (not, however, for being dishonest, money hungry, pseudo-journalism).
When they do an inaccurate, inflammatory, story about some non-white person it’s it’s hard to expose the truth for a number of reasons, their might be a language barrier, the person whom the story is about might not even know the story has been made (this happens frequently), the person whom the story is about might be New to Australia and therefore has no one to help back-up the truth, or they might not have anyone who watches the program to alert them to what has happened. Often the journalist creating the story will approach as a friend to gain consent for the story and when the camera goes on the journalist bull-rushes them. The most frequent tactic used in their kind of journalism is misquoting (taking.comments out of context. In the actual interview the journalist might ask “do you *have* a job at the moment” the person replies “no, i dont”. In the editing room the questions are rearranged, “do you *want* a job” they then use the responses the person gave to the original question, “no, I don’t”.
If we get out news from *any* mainstream outlet we need to be aware of a few things:
Who or what is the story supposed to be about and is that actually what is being reported
Is the imagery or footage actually from this story
What are the accusations and, especially, who is making them
Are there two factual sides to the story, can those facts be checked (are they biased)
Who will benefit or what is the benefit of the story
Who is advertising immediately after the story can sometimes alert you to a beat-up
What is the terminology, could the journalist have used other, less inflammatory words to get their message across in a more constructive manner
What are the political aspirations or leanings of the person incharge of that news outlet, this is often a very big telltale sign of bias or misinformation.
Almost every journalist or commentator has a bias, or particular spin on a story, we just need to be aware of what it is so the we can be better informed. If we know what the truth is, we can spend our time on addressing issues that actually are issues rather than wasting our energy on particular journalists carter aspirations.
Please excuse the typos, I wrote that on my phone and between the spell checker, the small screen and the itty bitty keypad, it’s hard sometimes to be quite perfect.
The last line (especially) should read ‘…journalists career aspirations.’
I didn’t know “Australian” was a language haha.
I put tape over my mouth to stop myself sucking cock.
I’m a bit of a fuckwit. I apologise.
If you do some research yourself, you will find that Aboriginals have been citizens of Australia at least as far back as 1948, or 1949, depending on the source.
A quick quote from Wiki, (although there are plenty of other references if you wish to look):
“It is frequently stated that the 1967 referendum gave Aboriginal people Australian citizenship and that it gave them the right to vote in federal elections. Neither of these statements is correct. Aboriginal people became Australian citizens in 1949, when a separate Australian citizenship was created for the first time (before that time all Australians, including Aborigines, were “British subjects”). Aboriginal people from Queensland and Western Australia gained the vote in Commonwealth elections in 1962. However, the Commonwealth voting right of Aborigines from other states was confirmed by a Commonwealth Act in 1949 (the constitution already gave them that right but it was often interpreted differently prior to 1949). They got the vote in WA state elections in 1962 and Queensland state elections in 1965.”
My ex-wife, and therefore my kids, is and are part Aboriginal, so I of all people recognise that the late 1940’s was still far too late, and that Aboriginals have had a disgustingly raw deal, but if you are going to correct other people’s misconceptions, please don’t perpetuate your own.
A person is not a citizen in a democratic society until they are allowed to vote in a democratic election.
Thank you Phillip, and I am ashamed in myself for not checking the facts about this 1967 business but I should have known better because I do know that all our history being taught since the 70’s has been anti Australian propaganda. I have zero aboriginal blood in me but my great uncle married an aboriginal lady so I have many 2nd and 3rd cousins who have some aboriginal blood in them. I have never met any of them as my great-grandfather and his brother had a huge falling out, so much so that my father found out about it only 15 years ago which does show that attitudes were far different 80 years ago,
Once again, thanks for teaching me something.
Every single year this crap comes up & every single year I have myself a good old chuckle at the expense of the xenophobic fucktards who fall for it! BTW, they’re usually the same people who say “I don’t have a problem with gay people, as long as they keep that shit behind closed doors” then fap away to hours of girl on girl porn!
Agreed, being able to vote is the right of a citizen.
Likewise!
Are you serious, Gerard?
Well I do have a problem with gay people, slack people, religious zealots, feminists, pedophiles, criminals and many other misunderstood pansy who thinks that the world owes them a living.
If you don’t like Australia as it should be – a Christian based society that treats everyone who follows those ethic principals equally, then leave.
Australia has gone down the drain due to the sacrifices of many at the orders of few, which has left us depleted of what made this place great as it used to be. But lets all sit back and think we are the better people because we laugh at those who don’t want to have a day which has been celebrated as one of the more important in the history of this country changed for whatever reason.
It doesn’t matter who is responsible for how this country is, we all are. We sit back and do nothing as time and time again our nation is sold out from under us. We are little more than a banana republic prospering off the dirt beneath our feet. The more it erodes, the less we do as a nation to defend it.
Australians are who we are, we should make ourselves proud of that once again, yes we were lucky to be born here, let’s not destroy what we have any more.
Gay people and feminists aren’t entitled to a happy life?
Fuck you.
“Well I do have a problem with gay people, slack people, religious zealots, feminists, pedophiles, criminals and many other misunderstood pansy who thinks that the world owes them a living.”
Just to be clear, you object to women who want to be treated equally?
“If you don’t like Australia as it should be – a Christian based society that treats everyone who follows those ethic principals equally, then leave. ”
But you just said that you have a problem with homosexuals, and feminists. So you think that Australia should be a society where everyone is treated equally, except for women, gays, and presumably other people as well, right?
It took you TWO sentences to cotnradict yourself. TWO! that has to be some sort of record.
By the way, as a proud Christian, please tell me how the word of Jesus influences your life. In particular, let me know when you were last at Church. also, tell me how the line “You mustl ove one another as I have love you. So you must love one another” is important to you, in particulari n your treatment of women and homosexuals.
Also, didn’t Jesus tell you to give up all your posessions and give them to the poor to be a true disciple? Do you ignore that christian teaching too?
Seems like you don’t actually want Australia to be based on Christian values, but on the value of “I got mine Jack!”
“Australia has gone down the drain due to the sacrifices of many at the orders of few, which has left us depleted of what made this place great as it used to be. ”
Please tell me how you think Australia has gone doen the drain, and how directly it has effected you. In your answer, you can describe the lower rate of illetracy, the improved public health, lower murder rates and very strong economy as irrelevant to how you think Australia is going down the drain.
“But lets all sit back and think we are the better people because we laugh at those who don’t want to have a day which has been celebrated as one of the more important in the history of this country changed for whatever reason.”
No, we’re laughing because it has never happened, will never happen, so they’re gettign mad about an email received that was an entire lie.
I had a similar laugh when I saw a girl on a facebook page claim that gnomes were stealing her money, not her boyfriend with a crack addiction.
“let’s not destroy what we have any more.”
How exactly is Australia being “destroyed”? Is it those damn women and their access to birth control, and the right to vote?
Sorry Dan- Australia is not and has never been a Christian nation. Go and read s116 of the Australian constitution..
SECT 116
Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.
I know I’m late to the parade however there are a few issues here that deserve closer attention.
What makes you think “gay people, slack people, religious zealots, feminists, pedophiles, criminals and many other misunderstood pansys” think “that the world owes them a living”?
Where’s your evidence for this?
Bringing out the ‘I’m a Christian’ card doesn’t lend creedence to your statements, it makes decent ,moral, Christians look bad by association.
Australia would be “as it should be – a (not necessarily) Christian based society that treats everyone who follows those ethic principals equally”, if people like yourself espoused what you tell others to.
Being ethical (but I think you are actually referring to being moral, if we’re talking about social issues) entails treating others the way you would have them treat you; you wouldn’t verbally or physically attack someone because they bumped your arm in the supermarket, you’d just ignore it or gently let them know they’d overstepped your space.
One of the biggest reasons Australia is “going down the drain” is absolutely due to a sense of entitlement… so to speak.
Products are cheaper than ever and easier then ever before to obtain, so what are people focussing on? Material wealth and possessions. You might have noticed that back when the divide between the very rich and the rest of society was at its greatest, the very rich people were self-absorbed, self-obsessed, materially selfish, and ignorant to the needs of others; they had a sense of entitlement.
The very rich still exist, of course, and so does the divide between them and the rest of society, however, the rest of society can now afford to have, buy and do things that they never could have before. This means more self-absorption, less focus on the bigger issues, less focus on being a moral, just, and decent society. Basically a prevalence of “me, me, me” type people – we have to remember though that this doesn’t account for everyone.
Kids, now, (especially middle and lower class white kids) are growing up in homes (and schools) where a lot of things are just given to them, no questions asked. This is where the sense of entitlement really comes into play; you grow up with a silver spoon in your mouth, you take that spoon and the whole cutlery set for granted, ‘it’s a given, it’s mine, it was always there, since birth’. Now try taking that silver spoon away, or even the cutlery set, what happens? Immorality, selfishness, and ignorance of anything above and beyond their own ‘needs’ and wants.
This isn’t about ” gay people, slack people, religious zealots, feminists, pedophiles, criminals”, it’s about everyone, society as a whole. If we don’t look after our society, if we don’t look out for the best interests of people, it can be easily forgotten that there is a society, a community of people who all need to work together.
Things get done best not when two sides are opposed but when two sides work together, that how we become aware of problems and thats how we work them out, by working together, not against.
That said, no matter what a person has done, who they are or how they live, are they not entitled to the same benefits as a rich white man? If not why not?
Sure, people *have* to work for what they want, no one should just expect a handout without giving something in return. “Gay people, slack people, religious zealots, feminists, pedophiles, criminals” all have something to offer, we can’t just paint everyone of a particular set, with the same brush:
James Dean and Rock Hudson were gay, not to mention countless others
Mark Zuckberg (founder of Facebook) was a slacker
L. Ron. Hubbard was a religious zealot (ignore the scientology stuff, his contribution to science fiction paved the way for a lot of the current sci-fi stuff we see now, including actual inventions)
Martin Luther (*not M. Luther King*) was also a religious zealot and he contributed to morality immensely, as did Benjamin Franklin (Franklin wasn’t so much a zealot though he was quite religious)
Religious zealotry also paved the way for charitable organisations, temperance (which helped pave the way for our current laws and policy on alcohol distribution, sale and consumption), and a basic social moral code
The suffragettes gave women the vote and modern feminists have brought about a huge awareness of domestic violence. When a husband beats or rapes (and I mean actual, real rape) his wife it’s not legally considered a given of the relationship anymore. Once this was legally considered to be a husbands right.
Also, women are no longer considered a possession of their husband or of their husband’s parents. In some cultures this is still so, but that’s not our business unless they ask us to make it our business and, regardless, it doesn’t affect you or me on a daily basis, so we have no right to hate them for it (I do greatly care about this injustice though).
Oscar Wilde was arrested for both paedophilia and homosexuality but he contributed so much to society. Most paedophiles are just normal people, it’s their sex life and the object of their desires that is reprehensible. They can be constructive members of society in other ways, though. Sadly, I believe paedophilia is absolutely incurable and that the only way to help a paedophile is to remove them from mainstream society. They are just too damaging. They can still be productive, however.
There are criminals aplenty that have contributed to society if I need to list them then you must be living under a rock.
My point is that while we can easily point out the flaws in others it is often far more beneficial to look at where people have been constructive.
There will always be awful people, people who absolutely should be behind bars but while we sit in judgement of them, we do them nor ourselves any good.
We need to bring out the best in ourselves and others, we do that by looking at the good and making the good eradicate the negative.
If we only focus on the negative we end up with a self-obsessed, segregated society of hateful people.
I’m sure you’ve had enough of that world, I certainly have. But the only way to fix it is by being constructive and productive, rather than armchair commentators. I know I do my bit, I contribute quite a lot. As a kid I saw the world as you currently see it, so I went to uni, I’m now a psychologist. The best thing anyone can do is *help* society rather than tear shreds off of it.
and for good reason, being religious means you have a belief in fiction, at no point during any religious text does the author indicate to the reader that what has been written is meant to taken metaphorically
I want this blog on mitch taken down now. Not doing so will result in the onset of legal action
Ha ha ha! Oh dear. You have a lot to learn about the law.
Bit late aren’t you? This post is almost a year old.
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Hi Mitch.
What’s the problem? Do you stand by and continue to support the above comments (Such as using demeaning names for Asians, telling people to get back on the boats, and calling for a riot)?
If you do, then what’s the problem with another website allowing more people to know about your beliefs? More people = larger audience (And you’ll need a few more people for that riot you were planning).
If you’re ashamed of the comments, and wish they never happened, then really it’s nto this site who you have a problem with, it’s yourself. Learn to think before you speak (or type), and this can bew avoided in the future.
Next time you decide to threaten legal action, just repeat this mantra:
“Talk I make in public isn’t private just because I want it to be”
This isn’t “anti-bogan” this is anti-patriotism.
When you move to a country, and become a citizen, you are agreeing to accept our culture, our rights, our laws.
The fact that you are defending a minority of people being offended by people celebrating the day that our country is founded is wrong to me, they became citizens here, it was THEIR CHOICE.
Whether it’s considered racist or whatever, I don’t really care but it’s simple, AUSTRALIA DAY is called so because this country is called AUSTRALIA and we are celebrating the day it was stamped on the map so to speak, and so, we are called AUSTRALIANS, when you become a citizen you become AUSTRALIAN.
If you can’t deal with that you probably shouldn’t have become a citizen.
Simple old sayings probably from around the same time as “the olden days where non-whites were refused entry because of imaginary perilous diseases and women were constricted to the kitchen and the bedroom.”
“Can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen”
there is nothing racist about saying that, why should we deny our own culture for the sake of anothers?
Concerning Mitch Fing’s words, you made the assumption that just because his friends are ethnic, that they wouldn’t agree with him saying “get back on your boat” that assumption almost seems racist in itself.
You have no idea what their stance would be on the whole situation so how can you even make a call like that?
Eerie, you didn’t read the article did you? You just commented, read the headline and commented. Didn’t even bother to read the article in between-did you?
Do you ever read articles, or see things the whole way through, or are titles enough? Do you treat movies the same way? “I didn’t see the life of Pi-hate films about Maths”
“The fact that you are defending a minority of people being offended by people celebrating the day that our country is founded is wrong to me, they became citizens here, it was THEIR CHOICE.”
Hopefully you will read the article one day-but here’s the problem:
No one. No one in the whole world is trying to turn Australia Day into Citizen’s Day. No one is trying to end Australia day. Some people, some only, would like to change the date, but neither political party is in favour of this, so it will not happen in the near future
You are fighting a war against an enemy that doesn’t exist. If you are going to do this, a more entertaining idea is to fight dragons
“AUSTRALIA DAY is called so because this country is called AUSTRALIA and we are celebrating the day it was stamped on the map so to speak, and so, we are called AUSTRALIANS, when you become a citizen you become AUSTRALIAN.”
No, you’re celebrating the day that the first colony of convicts landed in what become the colony of New South Wales. Australia didn’t become a country until 1901-when Federation was achieved. That’s why I think it’s a much better date to celebrate (Like how Canada only celebrates becoming Canada, rather than when the first of many colonies was set up)-but unfortunately it happened to land on the wrong day (January 1st) to have a holiday.
“Concerning Mitch Fing’s words, you made the assumption that just because his friends are ethnic, that they wouldn’t agree with him saying “get back on your boat” that assumption almost seems racist in itself.”
Wait, so you read one comment in the article, but managed to miss the ENTIRE POINT of the article? Are you blind? Are you stupid? Can you only read words when they come from pictures?
By the way, you think Mitch’s non-white friends would be happy at his calls for a race based riot (ie gangs attacking anyone who isn’t white?)? Is that right?
I bet you have a lot of gay friends who love gay bashing too, right?!
Or was him comment about the race riot one of the many things you did not read in this blog? What a surprise!
Our country was founded in 1901 on January 1st. Lord Houpton read out the proclamation affirming the Commonwealth of Australia. “Australia Day” or as I like to call it, ‘Unauthorised Boat Arrivals Day’ is the day New South Wales was proclaimed, not Australia.
australia day has been for a long time and will be for a long time to come, i am a proud 6th geniration australian and love my country, you may say that all educated people take your view of changing the name of australia day is just a change of name but it means more than that, australia is not just a country its a lifestyle/ way of life we all take for granted, the layed back aussie people are now i belive becoming frustraited with people such as yourself and the rhetoric you banter
Again, another person who didn’t read the article. And probably haven’t read any articles in a very very long time.
Australia Day is not changing its name. Its a hoax. It has not happened, and will not happen, and guess what? Fighting a fictional battle against a fictional enemy with fictional motives doesn’t justify racism. Hell fighting a real battle against a a real enemy with real motives doesn’t justify racism.
You are being Don Quixote, fighting windmills, but without the romanticism. You are being a DnD player, planning your Dungeon Quest to fight dragons and trolls, but without realising you’re all playing someone else’s game.
So before you go off and state your determination to fight against those Anti-Australia Day gangs (Don’t exist) who wish to change the name of Australia Day (Will never happen)-just realise the only difference between your quest and that of a crazy person, is that the crazy person is encouraged to seek help.
And as a gold rush descendant (1850’s mofo!) I think you should read the entire article before you comment on it, instead of just reading the title and then basing your comment on that.
Corkhat wearing, fosters drinking, footy watching, beer drinking, vegemite loving, word shortening, problem gambling, kangaroo riding, mullet busting Aussie slags, why dont you all fuck off back to the countries you were convicted in and leave the beauty of this island to us rich educated expats who now see the mistake we made sending you here in the first place. We have enough roads built so now kindly clear and take your shit tv with you so we can enjoy ourselves and build a culture. Jog on cobbers!
This is something I knocked up for my FB page after seeing a cousin get bent out of shape over the Citizen’s Day thing.
I am Australian.
In fact, my mother once remarked I was possibly the most Australian Australian she’d ever met. Not bad for a first generation Australian I thought at the time.
She was more specifically speaking of my dedication to Australians competing on the sporting landscape and my penchant for wearing the green and gold when doing so.
She then added: I could never imagine you living anywhere else.
As I’ve gotten older, wiser and had more life experience I’ve concluded I could live elsewhere, but that this is a pretty damn good place to be.
As I mentioned, my parents were both migrants to this country.
One from the UK and one from mainland Europe.
I would consider them to now to be Australian, despite their places of birth.
That’s because, being Australian is, and always has been, an evolution.
Many of the characteristics which identified you as Australian 50 years ago are no longer relevant, while some of them are still very important.
Australians are, in general, considered to be hard-working.
This is a trait which has remained a constant throughout our history, not least due to the climate and landscape on which many people tried to make a new start.
If you didn’t work hard, you wouldn’t survive.
Simple.
But, for the most part, it’s still a part of our make up. It’s just who we are at our core.
But with each generation of immigrants who set foot on Australian soil, the parameters for what constitutes being Australian subtly changes.
As Australians we are quite rightly proud of our wine industry, an industry which makes some of the best wines in the world.
My home state of South Australia is a prime example.
We visibly puff up with pride when we talk about the Barossa Valley wine industry and some of the world-leading techniques they use to create world-beating wines.
It has become, in part, a little bit of who we are.
Travel abroad and mention you’re from Australia and you could find yourself in quite a discussion about how amazing our wines really are. Seriously.
Yet, this little slice of Australian pride wouldn’t exist without the European migrants who came to this country to start afresh.
If they’d listened to the naysayers and those spruiking that we didn’t do that kind of thing in Australia, we’d be culturally all the poorer for it.
Devon – or Fritz where I’m from – and tomato sauce sandwiches.
Australian as when I was growing up.
I’d not eat one now, but it really is almost the perfect example of mixed cultures coming together to create an Australian classic.
Australia is an amazing place, filled with amazing people.
We are often at the forefront of technological and medical innovation, social justice and good governance.
Why?
Because Australians are open to change, they’re prepared to evolve.
For me, that’s what being Australian is all about.
Who is or are the spastic lefty commie retards who think normal average Aussies are Bogans and racist scum ?, For a start claims of genocide in Australia are complete lies. These lefty traitors want us to be ashamed, well not gonna work, people should read history before sprouting silly opinions about a history which they only have fairytale versions of. This falacy of a British invasion of Australia is so overexaggerated in the extreme these idiots compare it to the Norman invasion of 1066 or to the Spanish extermination of native south americans, its simple nonsense, I urge any intelligent moral person to understand that there is a evil Left wing agenda here, already our kids are being taught wrong history by totally left wing interests, if the leftys take over, there will be no freedom, of speech or any kind. Gillard loves Stalin and Mao those teddy bear like mass murderers, beware Australia.
You are in the ADL. This immediately makes your comment laughable. Apart from its sheer stupidity.
So, to be clear, by your name, you want to deport anyone who disagrees with you, but Gillard is the one who opposes free speech?
And just so we’re clear, what did happen to the Aboriginal population following white settlement? Because we know their numbers decline. You’re saying this wasn’t done by white people-so where did they go? Did they all go on holiday?
What I am seeing here is even more polarisation, the gap between the normal majority of Aussie and the insane Left is ever widening and terms like “Genocide” and comments like this from a traitor above who wrote this garbage .>>> ““Australia Day” or as I like to call it, ‘Unauthorised Boat Arrivals Day’ “” ,<<<<< are only gonna end up with blood on the streets, the disgusting balck arm band vilifiers of Australia are now so hated by the rest of us that I truly fear for the future, we are slowly but surely heading for a future civil war. As for me, I am not your average Aussie beer swiller puttin on BBQ's as I do neither, so harly a bogan but I am very well read and KNOW that this is the worlds best country now. But if anyone comes up to me and calls my ancestors evil or genocidal fruitcakes I will certainly break a nose or even worse, seriously, if you do, then you have only yourself to blame. The problem is sites like this which are full of imbeciles who wanna destroy the one place everyone can live side by side.
Lastly every group thats ever come here has lived peacefully together %99.9999999 of them but there is one group that must be stopped from now on, the muslims, it is not racist as Islam is not a race, its a religion, a fascist far Right ideology incompatible with any other group on earth, they have a history of mass murder for 13 centuries. I want them to stay in their own countries and to stop any further islamization becuse if we don't we will be slaves one day and we may as well commit mass suicide. The thought of my little niece forced to wear a burkha makes my blood boil and the thought of genital mutilation which they seem to love well that gets me even more angry than the burkha, its so goddamn sexist and evil but of course the lefties will excuse that. Why are there idiots who think that the world was a garden of Eden in days gone by I'll never know, primitive cultures truly suck. Give me our time and place over any other.
Cool story bro.
Oh by the way, genital mutilation is practised by a few freaks from Christianity, Islam and animist religions. It is neither widespread nor mainstream.
Yes, we do have imbeciles here – the people who are featured on the blog.
“.>>> ““Australia Day” or as I like to call it, ‘Unauthorised Boat Arrivals Day’ “” ,<<<<< are only gonna end up with blood on the streets, "
Wait….so you think a person pointing out that we celebrate the unauthorised arrival of the first fleet while demonising the unauthorised arrival of refugees is going to result in people fighting? How many people do you know that would actually give a crap about that?
" the disgusting balck arm band vilifiers of Australia are now so hated by the rest of us "
No…they're hated by you. Source that "The rest of us" mean anything like the majority of Australians, instead of, as I believe, you and a couple of your friends.
"we are slowly but surely heading for a future civil war. "
No we're not. Here's a promise. You will shit yourself in public multiple times before we ever have a civil war.
"But if anyone comes up to me and calls my ancestors evil or genocidal fruitcakes I will certainly break a nose or even worse, seriously, if you do, then you have only yourself to blame. "
IF YOU TELL ME ABOUT UNSAVORY PARTS OF MY COUNTRY'S HISTORY I WILL HIT YOU!
Seriously-so you want a dictatorship? Believe what you believe, or get beaten up? Is that right?
Incidentally-are you going to start beating up all Aboriginal historians now?
"The problem is sites like this which are full of imbeciles who wanna destroy the one place everyone can live side by side."
So….reprimanding and criticising people who abuse others based on their skin colour, religion, culture, sexuality or gender, is trying to destroy the fact that Australia is a diverse culture?
Aren't the people who are abusing those who are different the ones triyng to destroy the place where everyone can live side by side?
"but there is one group that must be stopped from now on, the muslims,"
So….you like how Australia is a great country where everyone can live side by side….but don't want Muslims? Do you see the contradiction there?
"a fascist far Right ideology incompatible with any other group on earth, "
Wait, you have a problem with fascism now? But you've just said that you want to punch anyone who believes something you don't, and want to deport people who don't believe what you believe.
That's fascism!
" they have a history of mass murder for 13 centuries. "
If you look at any culture for 13 centuries, you're going to find some mass murder. The Brits and the Welsh. The French Catholics and the Protestants. Every European culture and every indigenous culture.
Islam also brought us centuries of medical and scientific advancement without which our world as well as our language would be unrecognisable. But y'know, they had some bad points in history, so therefore must all be banned.
"becuse if we don't we will be slaves one day and we may as well commit mass suicide. "
Where are you getting this from? Is it a barking dog that speaks a languagbe only you can hear? Seriously-your prediction of "Islam is going to enslave us" needs to explain how they're going to go from a tiny tiny percentage of the population, and considering that most of our migrants are coming from New Zealand, England and China (None of whom are particularly strong Islamic countries), explain how their numbers will grow.
"The thought of my little niece forced to wear a burkha "
Has anyone ever asked for your niece to wear a burqa? Hell, quick question-have you ever seen a burqa in real life? I never have, despite working with many Muslims and having many Muslim friends.
And while we're on that topic-have you ever met a Muslim in real life? I mean, you have such a detailed prediction of what they will do I want to make sure you're basing your beliefs on actual first hand experience, rather than just stuff you read on the internet (Because seriously-there's websites that say that reptile people rule the world).
"Why are there idiots who think that the world was a garden of Eden in days gone by I'll never know, primitive cultures truly suck. "
Wait-not just Muslims believe in the Garden of Eden. Christians and Jews also believe it. So…..you want all Christians and Jews out too?
So, the poster who wants to fight fascism, and save free speech, eh will need to get rid of all Muslims, Christians, Jews, and personally fight anyone who dares to point out that the Indigenous population did not go on holiday to magical cloud and rainbow land, after colonisation took place, as well as anyone who he believes is left wing.
So….who would be left? Like a couple of hundred people, maybe? Good luck running the country with that.
And questions you ignored:
1-So, to be clear, by your name, you want to deport anyone who disagrees with you, but Gillard is the one who opposes free speech?
2-And just so we’re clear, what did happen to the Aboriginal population following white settlement? Because we know their numbers decline. You’re saying this wasn’t done by white people-so where did they go? Did they all go on holiday?
I’m already married with two kids but I would have your kid. You are my new hero. Love the article :)))
Thanks for the compliment. I’m unfortunately similarly off the market, but always happy for a positive comment.
No its not do what I say, it’s about insulting my ancestors here without you knowing a single one of their names or a single thing about them. In the Australia I know you simply don’t go up and abuse a stranger and expect that stranger to take insults simply because he appears to be a normal Australian.
From what I have read of your reply just confirms to me that you are a lefty black armband type who is happy to quote any history without even checking facts. I can see the history you have read is most probably revisionist lefty propaganda. You and I are never gonna see eye to eye on anything except maybe the arts. Lastly, just because someone isn’t left leaning like you does not mean they are a bogan, are you saying all non-lefties are simply stupid ? you obviously can’t handle any view that isn’t yours. I do acknowledge that bad things happened in the old days. For instance, I have seen studies that showed that some aborigines were murdered by whites, mostly by escaped convicts that went bushranging ( so they weren’t very gentle people ) and many whites were speared by aborigines and the number is in the hundreds.
Where did they go you say ?, well obviously our diseases were the biggest killer of natives, Tasmania was devastated by diseases brought by multi national whalers BEFORE the settlement of Van Diemans land, secondly whotes and blacks mixing their genes in the bedroom, that should be self-explanatory. Do you read world history or only Australian ?. if you have read a lot of world history you should realise that everywhere CIVILIZATION ( are whites the only people to have invented civilization ? no of course not, ) you should know that civilization has wiped out nearly all traces of the tribal peoples, in fact there was at least a 5000 year history of continuous war between nomads and the civilized. How many tribes, nations have been forgotten without trace since the first Sumerian cities appeared ? Countless.
“No its not do what I say, it’s about insulting my ancestors here without you knowing a single one of their names or a single thing about them. ”
But I’m not. I’m saying that Australia does have a dark past-just like every country does. You seem to think that even suggesting that Australia’s history wasn’t 100% sunshine lollypops and rainbows is somehow personally digging up each of your rleatives and punching them.
“In the Australia I know you simply don’t go up and abuse a stranger and expect that stranger to take insults simply because he appears to be a normal Australian.”
So…no one is allowed to point out any dark times in any country’s history unless every member of that country agrees the speaker is a “Normal” member of the country?
Congratulations-you’ve just said that we’re not allowed to talk about the Holocaust, unless you’re German, and all of Germany agrees that you’re German. After all, to mention the Holocaust would be insulting every German’s ancestors without knowing a single one of them or a single thing about them.
“I can see the history you have read is most probably revisionist lefty propaganda. ”
Yes, those evil lefties you want to force out of the ocuntry while still supporting free speech-how does that work again?
So…what are your historical sources? If evil leftie history is evil-what’s your gold standard source of history?
“Lastly, just because someone isn’t left leaning like you does not mean they are a bogan, are you saying all non-lefties are simply stupid ?”
Gotta love someone who puts “Lastly” in the middle of a comment, the first of many comments made one after another.
Left-wing, right-wing does not matter. Many of my family is right wing-particularly when it comes to taxes and finances-and sure I disagree with them, but I love them. The people who are featured on this site are not, for instance, encouraging a flat tax, lower company tax, stricter welfare reform, reduced public sector spending, or a laissez faire government response to the markets.
People are feautred here because they are publically hating and seeking to attack people based on their religion, gender, sexuality, race, etc. And then someone likes you realises that, as you can’t really go into a conversation saying “I should be allowed to hate anyone I want publically, and no one should ever talk back!”, you have to pretend that this is just attacking right wing people indiscriminately.
Please, prove me wrong. Please show me right wing people being attacked who have not abused or insulted someone based on their gender, religion, race or sexuality. Please show me of all these terrible pages showing conservatives being criticised for anything other than displaying hate for another group of people.
“I do acknowledge that bad things happened in the old days. ”
Except you just said anyone who tries to point out these things will be punched by you. So…you acknowledge these things, but only you are allowed to acknowledge them?
Or in other words: “You’re allowed to acknowledge atrocities, as long as you don’t think they mattered”
“For instance, I have seen studies that showed that some aborigines were murdered by whites, mostly by escaped convicts that went bushranging ( so they weren’t very gentle people ) and many whites were speared by aborigines and the number is in the hundreds.”
Source please?
And funny thing-despite spearings, plenty of white people around. Not exactly a lot of Aborigines.
Could this have something to do with it?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians
Shall we go through them:
1816 – Governer MacQuarie sends his troops to force Aboriginal women and children off cliffs to their death, for the crime of encroaching on white settler farms.
1828 – 4 Shepherds ambushed and murdered 30 Aborigines.
1830- In Fremantle, Captain Irwin shoots an Aboriginal chief for showing defiant gestures and not showing respect. Following this other Aboriginals were killed to show the superiority of the white man (Irwin’s words, not mine).
1833-`1834 – A dispute over holding a beach in Victoria leads to whalers killing up to 200 Aborigines, with onl two of the clan being expected to survive.
Do you want me to go on, or will you read the article? Let me know if you find any that are just a case of really not nice bushrangers, and other such terrible people, as most I see are performed by representatives of Her Majesty’s Government.
Here’s another one for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_frontier_wars
“Tasmania was devastated by diseases brought by multi national whalers BEFORE the settlement of Van Diemans ”
So that makes it better? “We didn’t kill them off-they just happened to die right after we arrived. Not us-honest!”
“secondly whotes and blacks mixing their genes in the bedroom, that should be self-explanatory. ”
Which was always consensual, lead to a happy marriage of mother and father and a loving family that lasted a life time, not unconsensual, never registered, and quickly denied by one party.
Except this explanation does not make sense, unless you are trying to tell me that this happened:
After a child was born from an Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal union, the child was considered white by all governments, and the family, and did not count as Aboriginal for any census. Also-y’know the white australia policy-that mindset that Australia was best as a white only country-totally did not apply to these children. They were white, even if the race judgemental times of the 19th and early twentieth centuries.
I really have to hear your source on where all the Aboriginals ended up. It’s soundin more and more like a Disney film.
“Do you read world history or only Australian ?”
Yes. Do you?
During the time period that you’re suggesting that any child born of an Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal union would be brought up as white, in America there was a law amongst southern states that one drop of blood from a non-white person whould count a person as a Coloured person, no matter how far back, banned from any relationship with white people, as well as many jobs and rights in that period. As late as the 1920, Aborigines were seen as lower in development and capacity than an ape (Sanger, 1920).
That’s the world that oyu are suggesting a child of an Aboriginal and non-Aboriginla union would be raised as a white child and dney all non-white ancestry. So…according to you, Australia was a pinnacle of tolerance and acceptance of diversity, yet somehow came up iwth the white Australia policy a few decades later?
” you should know that civilization has wiped out nearly all traces of the tribal peoples,”
Absolutely. Australia is not alone. But this doesn’t justify it. Australia is a country that has made great steps forward into terms of gender rights, sexuality rights, race rights….but that doesn’t mean we should ignore what happened before.
To go back to the Germany example-Germany is a great country now. Anti semitism is strongly prosecuted, it is very peaceful, and economically strong. But the success that Modern Germany is does not mean we should ignore the shame the country went through. To do that is denialism.
No doubt I will go through all the stuff you ingored in a later response to your comments.
No defending ones honour is NOT fascism you idiot, you really do need to actually look up the definitions of words. Come back to me when you have the correct definition of fascism. Mao killed millions, KILLED not punched them in the nose simply for diagreeing with him now is he a fascist AND a communist at the same time, do you see your problem yet ? are you a fanatic ?
“No defending ones honour is NOT fascism you idiot”
Your name is “BootOutTheLefties”-please tell me how you would like to deport people who disagree with you politically in a way that still allows free speech?
Because if we don’t have free speech, and only have “Everyone listen and follow me” we have fascism.
“Mao killed millions, KILLED not punched them in the nose simply for diagreeing with him now is he a fascist AND a communist at the same time, do you see your”
So is that my only choice? I either get executed by Mao or punched in the nose and deported by you?
Can’t I justh ave the right to speak my mind without either getting executed, or being beaten and deported? Or do only people who think like you have that right?
Please tell me how you can have free speech yet physically punish and deport people whose opinion you disagree with.
“is he a fascist AND a communist at the same time, do you see your problem yet ?”
Yes. He’s a dictator. So’s pretty much all rulers of North Korea, and Cuba, as well as Lenin and Stalin. Just because a country says it’s Communist doesn’t mean all its leaders are Communists. And most countries who state they are Communist, even if they don’t have dictators for life like Mao or Stalin, is still not Communist (Example would include Vietnam)
Incidentally-I’m not a Communist. Left of centre, definately, but not a Communist.
“are you a fanatic ?”
No. Are you? You’ve got the rewriting history downpat (You pretty much denied every Aboriginal massacre there was), punsihing people who challenge that view of history (Like Stalin, I’m usre you’ll be erasing people out of photographs next).
YOU SAID this not me >>>>””” IF YOU TELL ME ABOUT UNSAVORY PARTS OF MY COUNTRY’S HISTORY I WILL HIT YOU! “””””” <<<<<<<<<<< Oh really, so you are changing my sentence to suit yourself you fool, SEE this is the left in action, twist and bend the facts to suit your own evil political agenda.
It’s called rephrasing to show the absurdity of the comment. What you actually said was:
“But if anyone comes up to me and calls my ancestors evil or genocidal fruitcakes I will certainly break a nose or even worse, seriously, if you do, then you have only yourself to blame. ”
Please tell me where I’ve misstepped in my paraphrasing.
Unless you’re actually telling us you don’t worry about dark periods of Australia’s history-you’re just annoyed when a person does a deep research into your own family history, then reports every scandal directly to you, when they’ve ignored all the good points of your family history.
Yep-fair enough. Those people sound terrible. You should avoid them. Do you find a lot of people undertaken unwanted family history on your behalf?
YOU SAID this too >>>>>>>> “”””So….you like how Australia is a great country where everyone can live side by side….but don’t want Muslims? Do you see the contradiction there? “””””<<<<<<<<< Of course, thats because no one can live beside them, sure there are some good among them but they cannot or will not oppose the attempts at bringing in shariah law ( do you want that ? ) into my country, that is not allowable because nearly every law in shariah is AGAINST Australian law. In England there have been many cases of female genital mutilation and I ask again, DO YOU WANT THAT ?. Despite the two of us not agreeing on anything I truly hope you are not a supporter of shariah law because if you do I don't wanna know or talk to you
Again rephrasing to show the contradiction in the comment. What you actually said was this:
“The problem is sites like this which are full of imbeciles who wanna destroy the one place everyone can live side by side.”
Followed by:
“but there is one group that must be stopped from now on, the muslims,”
Tell me where my rephrasing failed to demonstrate your argument. You like how Australia is a country where everyone can live side by side, in respect and harmony….except Muslism, right?
“Of course, thats because no one can live beside them, ”
Whoops, I must be doing it wrong-I’ve managed to do it for 6 years. Working with Muslims for 3 years too-as colleagues no less. No one’s tried to force me to convert either.
“sure there are some good among them but they cannot or will not oppose the attempts at bringing in shariah law”
Who’s trying to bring in sharia law? Is there anyone in Australia trying to make you practise sharia law? The only time I’ve heard shaira law being mentioned is for social matters-just as Jewish law is used for Jewish social matters, and Catholic law for Catholic social matters. And incidentally, in all cases, none of these laws can or are superseded by the law of Australia. In other words, if you went to a sharia court to deal with a divorce, but didn’t like the result, you can just ignore it and go to the Family Court.
So…how exactly is sharia law effecting you? Please, be specific. Tell me of all the Muslims who want to bring ing Sharia law for all people-with sources. I’d love to find out how the majority of Muslims want to bring in Sharia law in Australia for all people.
Incidentally, just so we’re clear, if something bad was being done in the name of Islam, it’s the whole of Islam, a religion of over a billion people, who is responsible, is that right? Do you have the same rule for other groups?
I mean, is all of Catholicism responsible for the priest child abuse? Is all of the ADL responsible when one of their members goes to prison? Just want to check-after all if all billion plus Muslims are responsible for the actions of one, then surely all coupla hundred ADL members are responsible of the actions of their criminal members, right?
” into my country, that is not allowable because nearly every law in shariah is AGAINST Australian law.”
Again, the only place sharia law is mentioned is in social (ie family matters), and even then it is superceded by Australian law in every case. So, please, tell me how sharia law, and not just sharia law but the sharia law that you know and have evidence of Muslims in Australia trying to enforce on non-Muslims, being in contradiction to Australia law.
Now, I know that was complicated, but let’s break this down. So you’ve said that
a) Muslims are trying to enforce sharia law on non-Muslims
b) the sharia laws being introduced are against every Australian law
c) You have evidence showing this.
Can you support any of the above three statements?
“In England there have been many cases of female genital mutilation and I ask again, DO YOU WANT THAT ?.”
No, I don’t. But here’s the thing-female genital mutilation is forced upon young Muslim (And non-Muslim-it’s not so much a religiou thing, which is why you can’t find any sharia law about it) girls as part of a tradition. Put simply, female genital mutilation in the world is abhorrent, wrong and needs to be eliminated, but it is not being forced on people outside of a tradition of FGM.
So your niece is not going to experience FGM. Virtually no Australians will. And while I’m sure you’re searching hard I’m also sure you won’t find any case of FGM being forced on someone from outside a culture where FGM is prevalent-it’s not going to effect you at all.
As I said, it’s wrong, and evil, but let me ask you this-how does banning all Muslims from coming to Australia going to in any way stop FGM? I mean, no one in either of our families will experience, but they were never going to experience it anyway. The only people at risk here are the girls who grow up in that tradition.
And where are these girls more likely to experience FGM? In a country like Australia where the practise is condemned legally, soically and morally, and no person can perform this operation without risking being jailed? Or in a country where if there is a law against FGM, the government is too weak to actually enforce it, especially when there is a strong tradition encouraging it? Which do you think would put these particular girls at the most risk?
In other words, you’re pretty much stating that you want the women most at risk of FGM to be prevented from arriving in a country where there are laws to protect them from this act, and instead stay in a country where the act can be completed without any punishment.
Or, in other words, you want to protect Australia from having to worry about any female genital mutilation, by ensuing the women at risk of this are in another country where you don’t have to care. Good for you!
” Despite the two of us not agreeing on anything I truly hope you are not a supporter of shariah law because if you do I don’t wanna know or talk to you”
Well, this is actually the best argument in favour of sharia law I’ve seen. Previously for disagreeing with you I’ve been told I should be deported and punched (Neither things I particularly like). Now I’ve told if I support sharia law you will never know or talk to me (Which I can live with).
It’s tempting. It’s very tempting. But…sorry. Anglican through and through. C of E all the way.
From YOU again JM >>>>>>>>>>> “””””” Why are there idiots who think that the world was a garden of Eden in days gone by I’ll never know, primitive cultures truly suck. ”
Wait-not just Muslims believe in the Garden of Eden. Christians and Jews also believe it. So…..you want all Christians and Jews out too?
So, the poster who wants to fight fascism, and save free speech, eh will need to get rid of all Muslims, Christians, Jews, and personally fight anyone who dares to point out that the Indigenous population did not go on holiday to magical cloud and rainbow land, after colonisation took place, as well as anyone who he believes is left wing. “””””””””” <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<> “Back to the land of California, to my sweet home Chicago”, <<< a lyric that confused me for years)
Point I was trying to get across was that the original way of life was incredibly tough and dangerous and brutish and short, especially here, Australia in its undeveloped state could only support a tiny population,
Do not know what happened to the top half of my post above, I will have to try and rewrite that bit.
What I was trying to say there was that I did not ever try to mean the religious Garden of Eden,I said that sort of metaphorically so I change EDEN to the word Paradise (I think a Persian word) or maybe the word California (not the state, it means , “Land of milk and honey””)… I then went on to the Robert Johnson tune, his music was awesome and was he white ? nope, but he is a hero of mine, well ALL the bluesmen are. I do not hate aboriginals at all, I hope I do not have to say that again.
Also in answer to one question, YES I have met a real muslim, worked with them and played a lot of snooker with them, none of those half a dozen guys were hardliners from what I could gather. This was at Punchbowl and Hornsby, in Punchbowl there are however quite a lot of hardliners around and they advertise it, and no, of course I will not want to get close enough to “meet” one of them, I do value my life and limb. I reserve the right to choose my freinds, or is that also “politically incorrect”. As for being politically correct I refuse to acknowledge the concept as its anti freedom of speech.
“Point I was trying to get across was that the original way of life was incredibly tough and dangerous and brutish and short, especially here, Australia in its undeveloped state could only support a tiny population,”
So just to be clear, it’s okay that the operatives of the colonial governments went out and killed many Aborigines-because Australia could not support that many people, so it was better the white person than the Aboriginal? Is that right?
“I do not hate aboriginals at all, ”
Nope, you just want to deny that anything bad happened to them ever. Which is totally fine-but ask your Aboriginal friends if they agree with you.
“YES I have met a real muslim, worked with them and played a lot of snooker with them,”
And naturally you’ve told them they are failing to crack down on hardliners, and therefore no one who shares their belief should be allowed in the country?
Nope, you didn’t? Why is that?
” none of those half a dozen guys were hardliners from what I could gather. ”
So, Islam is an evil religion which is entirley evil and will only destroy Australia if introduced-but everyone you’ve met from that religion is actually pretty nice, and good to hang out with?
Do you see the contradiction here? Guess what-those nice Muslim people who are the only types you meet-they’re the norm. Sure, there are some Muslim jerks-just as there are non-Muslim jerks as well. But by and large Muslims are just trying to do what you and I are trying to do-get on with our lives, try and make a nice future for our children, and be comfortable in our lives.
If you go aroun thinking “Hey everyone I’ve met from Group X is nice, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of Group X isn’t bad” – then guess what-you’ve just pretty much ruled out having positive relations with every group in the world. You could say: “Just because I’ve met 1000 really nice Catholics doesn’t mean the next 1000 won’t be evil” and it’s just as true as saying “Every Muslim I’ve met is nice, but that doesn’t mean the majority is not bad”
You have concerns about Islam-I can see that. How about you talk to some of these work colleagues and snooker players about them? I mean, if you want to know about someone’s belief, you should ask them directly, rather than read someone who may have a different interpretation of the same belief? I know that when my friends have come from religions that were odd or new to me, I found out the most by talking to them about it.
So why aren’t you learning directly from them, rather than basing your belief on their entire religion, of which the nice people whose company you enjoyed are a part of, on, presumably, third hand stories, biased reporting and crazy fanatics in other countries? I don’t base my view on Catholics on George Pell or the Pope, I base it on my step grandmother and cousins. Similarly I don’t base my view on Islam on any Sheik or terrorist or Fanatic-I base it on all the Muslims I know.
” This was at Punchbowl and Hornsby, in Punchbowl there are however quite a lot of hardliners around and they advertise it,”
How do they advertise it? Billboard? Placard? Forced conversation by sword point on a daily basis? Please tell me how a “hardliner” is any different from “Strict religious person going about their business”-the same category you’d put an Orthodox Jew or a Monk in?
“and no, of course I will not want to get close enough to “meet” one of them, I do value my life and limb”
What reason do you think your life will be threatened? As you’ve said previously, every social encounter with a Muslim has been a positive experience. But because someone believes their belief a bit stronger, they’re suddenly scary to you? Do you get similarly scared by seeing Priests walk the street (There’s a lot of dodgy stuff in the Bible, you know-lot’s and lot’s!)
“I reserve the right to choose my freinds, or is that also “politically incorrect”. ”
I don’t care about political correctness. But I do care about willfull ignorance. The case of:
“I don’t want to meet any Muslims, because if I met Muslims I might find out they’re nice and I don’t want to find out they’re nice buecause I don’t want to meet them!”
This has also been called the “I don’t like peas” argument. It’s circular, prevents any contradictory information from getting in, and by seeing only evidence that supports the belief, no matter how unimportant, sees the belief and continuously reinforced.
Look at what you just wrote. You have said to me that every Muslim you have had a social connection with was nice, and you don’t have a problem with them being in Australia. All the Muslims you haven’t had a social connection with, though, you’re sure they’re going to kill you. Every experience has been positive, but still you’re going to convince yourself that the next one is going to threaten your life so you ensure that your belief that “All Muslims are evil” will not ever be challenged.
To give another example, when I was in primary school, a friend of mine told me he supported Pauline Hanson, because he didn’t want any more immigrants.
I pointed out he was an immigrant from New Zealand-he said he didn’t count.
I pointed out one of our nice teachers was a migrant from Japan-he said she didn’t count.
I pointed out some of our students were from Vietnam-he said they didn’t count either.
Every migrant he knew was someone he liked and wanted to keep in Australia. Yet he still had a problem with the mythical “other” migrant who was damaging Australia, whom he had never met or had any contact with whatsoever.
The only difference between this person and you, is that this was a boy around 10 years old. You are older, wiser, yet using the same argument style.
“As for being politically correct I refuse to acknowledge the concept as its anti freedom of speech.”
Good to hear. Not totally relevant, but I’m glad you support free speech.
Except you still haven’t answered this:
How can you support free speech yet also want to deport anyone who disagrees with you politically and physically assault anyone who mentions any dark period of Australia’s history? Is it a case of you supporting free speech up to and including the limit of “I can say whatever I want”, but not to its actual conclusion of “Anyone can say whatever they want, even if I disagree with it”?
In that case-you don’t support free speech. Free speech isn’t free speech until it applies to everyone. Not just you.
And while we’re on the topic of ignored questions:
1. Wait….so you think a person pointing out that we celebrate the unauthorised arrival of the first fleet while demonising the unauthorised arrival of refugees is going to result in people fighting? How many people do you know that would actually give a crap about that?
2. ” the disgusting balck arm band vilifiers of Australia are now so hated by the rest of us ”
No…they’re hated by you. Source that “The rest of us” mean anything like the majority of Australians, instead of, as I believe, you and a couple of your friends.
3. Incidentally-are you going to start beating up all Aboriginal historians now?
4. So….reprimanding and criticising people who abuse others based on their skin colour, religion, culture, sexuality or gender, is trying to destroy the fact that Australia is a diverse culture?
Aren’t the people who are abusing those who are different the ones triyng to destroy the place where everyone can live side by side?
5. Where are you getting this from? Is it a barking dog that speaks a languagbe only you can hear? Seriously-your prediction of “Islam is going to enslave us” needs to explain how they’re going to go from a tiny tiny percentage of the population, and considering that most of our migrants are coming from New Zealand, England and China (None of whom are particularly strong Islamic countries), explain how their numbers will grow.
6. Has anyone ever asked for your niece to wear a burqa? Hell, quick question-have you ever seen a burqa in real life? I never have, despite working with many Muslims and having many Muslim friends (Have seen the niqab very occasionally, but the number of Muslim women I know who wear the niqab is great eclipsed by the number of Muslims women I know who wear the hijab or no head covering).
A nice little baiting operation and no bites whatsoever….
My point is and remains that there are better days to have our national day. There are many hundreds of better days that can unite the Australian community than the day the first boats landed. My personal favourite is January 1 when the Australian colonies got together and formed the Commonwealth of Australia. Others include ANZAC day and Kokoda day – 21 July. The idea that indigenous Australians can ever fully accept it as a national day is just a bizarre suggestion.
As for a couple of specific claims, I do not think a genocide occurred in Australia against the Aboriginal people. There was dispossession, assimilation, forced conversions to Christianity and crimes against the aboriginal community such as the stolen generation. However to call it a genocide is incorrect, if it were to be called a genocide you would need a new word for what happened to the Jews and Armenians.
As for Islam the idea that 3% of the population will suddenly take over and do things to your niece is a paranoid fantasy. It is also based on the same assumption that Islam is monolithic and its followers a hive of angry bees- it is not. I don’t like the idea of any religion controlling government policy – that’s why I defend s116 and our secular tradition to stave off religious interference in our public life. I don’t like the burka either- but we have to create an atmosphere where women feel completely free to make their own choices – not subject to abuse because they will or won’t wear it. There are serious threats to our secular society – those threats comes from radical Christians like Tony Abbott, Hillsong and the Australian Christian Lobby.
The only people trying to start a civil war are paranoid bogans such as yourself.
Who know who is the real far right problem, moon Hitler. Dam space Nazi’s, infiltrating our society with their moon racism. Brother, we need to unite and fight the true enemy.
No matter were you go, you will find people of utter stupidity that lack any sense of morals, if anything many other countries are much worse than us…I’ve been spat on in Italy, by a 14 year old no less. Regardless you can’t place this reckless and racial behavior on the majority population, which happens frequently, as these ‘bogans’ are in fact the minority of our country. They seem like the majority only because they stand out. In all honesty I see nothing wrong with getting drunk or having a good ol
Barbie with some lamb chops on Australia Day, but their behavior is unacceptably.
The only reason they are lashing out, is out of fear. A natural animal Instinct. They may deny it, or even think it impossible, it may not even cross their mind. But the truth is they fear that an increase in population of those they believe to be different scares them. Its an instinct to fear something you believe to be a threat.
Through some studies, and assessing a few people, most people who display these attributes fear in some way that their normal lifestyle in Australia may change, and in some retrospect they have some right. Some schools have banned the national anthem, a good friend of mine was beaten up by a Somalian gang, yes they are here. I know people who have lost their jobs due to immigrants, which is fine because they work very hard to obtain a position in a foreign country. I credit all those who come over seas to start a new life here, its not easy, and it’s an excellent place to do so. Not only that but riots have occurred overseas, the American propaganda hasn’t helped in our opinion of other cultures either.
There are three main issue here; first is our natural instincts taking over our motor functions and we act irrationally, because we are following our instincts they believe to be in the right, which is true in any situation.
Second is the lack of information have on other cultures, races and religions. This goes for everyone, not just ‘bogans’.
The last is the inability for humanity to understand each other. As long as we are incapable of understanding the thoughts and feelings of someone else, we will never be able to unify as a species, and it will come a time were as a whole humanity may even be considered a race of its own.
However I see the only time this will happen is by some chance an alien race stumbles upon us and treats us all as one entity rather than separate races. Perhaps they’ll enslave all of us and after hundreds of years we’ll get some rights. Then we’ll be racially abused to being humans, rather than Caucasian, Blacks, Oriental, Native American or Aboriginal.
I truly believe whether you’re black, white, oriental, fish, orangutan, gorilla, robot or synthetic. It’s how you act and your morals and values which makes you human. Not our religion, culture and race.
On that note I do believe if you live here, don’t go changing our culture. I personally wont go changing others cultures. You’re lucky to be somewhere that accepts people to carry out their religious or cultural believes/activities (as long as that doesn’t involve living sacrifices). So don’t ridicule ours, if something about our country offends you, then unfortunately you’ll have to live with it. Like I do with blokes wearing skin tight jeans, girls with their shorts up their anus and blokes revealing their anus due to their pants hanging at the knees.
Now for a prayer of my people – ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD
Nice sentiments, but you are spreading a few myths.
“Some schools have banned the national anthem,”
What schools?
“I know people who have lost their jobs due to immigrants, ”
What jobs? Because quite frankly, when I’ve been working with migrants eager to work in Australia, they have barriers of:
-Not knowing how to apply for jobs
-Not knowing how to find jobs
-Visa issues
-Language difficulties
-Any issues the employer has with people who don’t look like them.
I know people who have degrees in australia or recognised in Australia who have been trying to find work in needed industires (Nursing, medicine, and social work) for 6+ months with no luck, so if you know migrants who managed to take actual jobs away from Australians- please give me more details because I’ve got some friends who are doing it tough.
“On that note I do believe if you live here, don’t go changing our culture. ”
Who’s trying to change your culture?
http://muslimvillage.com/forums/topic/47872-teacher-sacked-for-wanting-advance-australia-fair-at-school/
JM, please have a read through there. Muslim village is an Islamic forum, as such it is safe to assume that most members are of the Islamic faith. As you can see there, most posters (of Islamic faith) are against a ‘ban’ (whether real or theoretical) of the national anthem, although there is still a decently sized minority who are expressing views that it is against their religion to sing the anthem, etc.
Whilst the ‘threat’ (I wouldn’t call it a threat, but for argument’s sake I’ll call it that) isn’t as big as xenophobes and bogans make out, it is also equally myopic to suggest that it doesn’t completely exist. I despise racist bogans, just as I despise gangs of specific ethnicities (which are a reality where I live), but I would honestly like to see an equal mention of racist bogans and said gangs – both are un-Australian in my view.
I tend to side with Anonymouse in the sense that these ‘bogots’ as you call them feel as if their culture is threatened. Yes, it’s mountain out of molehill stuff, but please don’t dismiss this ‘threat’ as completely non-existent – it is just as much of an exaggeration as those who think it is ever present.
Instead of hurling abuse at these people, why not try and decipher why they think in that manner? As Anonymouse said, it’s because they perceive a threat. Why are they perceiving non-white immigration as a threat? I think Australians of all ethnicities are rather detached from the government’s immigration program – they feel disconnected. What happens when you’re disconnected? You feel powerless, and when you feel powerless, fear arises. I know people who have been bashed specifically for being overtly ‘white’ or being an “Aussie dog”, just as I know people who have been bashed for being overtly non-white. However, we need to stop hiding behind merely labelling the predominantly uneducated who don’t know how to express this ‘fear’ as racist bogans, and look at preventing, or easing this fear in the first place. Obviously you can’t please everybody and there will always be xenophobes, but going too far in de-legitimising their concerns is only going to make them feel more threatened. Cultural erosion is a real concept, blown out of proportion yes, but real nonetheless. We should be pooling our brainpower to fix the situation rather than adding fuel to the fire (as you can see, your comments have been taken as offensive by those you would label ‘bogots’). I’m sure Aboriginals expressed this same fear in the face of a much realer threat, but the fear was/is a natural reaction regardless.
“Instead of hurling abuse at these people, why not try and decipher why they think in that manner? ”
Okay, but let’s start with a reality check. What I was asking for was examples of schools that have banned the National Anthem-already that threat has been downplayed from definately happening at some schools to “Some Muslims don’t want to sing the anthem”-which is interesting but not at all threatening to the same degree as the first comment.
Similarly if someone says that a migrant is trying to change the culture, is it abuse to ask “How are they trying to change your culture?”-we need to decipher how much of the perceived threat is real and how much is make believe.
“However, we need to stop hiding behind merely labelling the predominantly uneducated who don’t know how to express this ‘fear’ as racist bogans, and look at preventing, or easing this fear in the first place. ”
True, but this is also true-this site can’t do it. It can, however, tell people that some or most of their fears are not real, not based on truth, and never going to happen. As I’ve told people who complain about my tone before (And really-I question people’s beliefs-I do not abuse unless a person is being abusive, I just question)-this is not the best way to change a person’s view, but it’s the bet way we have of informing people that negative behaviour is not tolerated in society. And until I’ve heard of a better way, here we shall remain.
“but going too far in de-legitimising their concerns is only going to make them feel more threatened. ”
But then what is acceptable? If telling people “I have never heard a case of what you are scared of occurring in Australia-please tell me of any case as I may be wrong” is too far-what’s acceptable? Shall we accept a person telling us dragon’s are invading, because telling them that dragons don’t exist would go too far in de-legitimising their concerns?
Also, just to be clear-when people are complaining about “The National Anthem is being banned”-they’re not complaining about bannings in one Islamic school in Queensland. This isn’t going to effect them in the slightest. They’re complaining about their kids being prevented from singing the national anthem-and I’ve yet to find such a school in Australia.
Well I agree and disagree with that, some I agree with, some that I don’t
You have been spat on in Italy? Would you kindly elaborate on the circumstances. As
This site is the biggest load of shit i have ever seen. You people will single handedly be the downfall of white Australia. Thanks guys it’s only our home.
*Yawn* Another boring white supremacist. You all look the same.
“””””””””””””” Lenno 6 January 24, 2013 at 10:47 pm Reply
This site is the biggest load of shit i have ever seen. You people will single handedly be the downfall of white Australia. Thanks guys it’s only our home.”””””””””‘
“”””””””” mindmadeup January 24, 2013 at 11:09 pm Reply
*Yawn* Another boring white supremacist. You all look the same.””””””””
Huh ?, how do you get that conclusion from the little tiny few sentences from Lenno 6 ???, a white supremacist you say ?, how did you conclude that Einstein ?
“You people will single handedly be the downfall of white Australia”
We can but hope.
Aha !!!!!, condemned by your own racism, good on you, fool.
Of course your “racist” accusation is only valid if James R is not a white Australian.
Think about it!
Today we study these lefty’s, Look how they lash out in the defence of diveristy. See how they use such words as bigot, racist and *unintelligent* this is a sudden defence mechanism these people do when they can’t argue a point.
You are starting to bore us. We don’t bother arguing recycled muck from Fascists and bigots.
You dont even know the definition of those words do you, You leftys are imbeciles
Today we study the racist. Look how when being called a racist, sexist, homphobic bigot who is stupid, he only challenges the unintelligent point, rather than trying to defend his racist, sexist and homophobic beliefs.
I am willing to bet money that your IQ is well below that of Lenno 5
Are you sure you want to make that bet? Then let’s put Lenno’s IQ down and I will compare with mine.
Incidentally, are you willing to take my bet that you will shit your pants in public before there is a civil war in Australia. Because I did offer.
How much money?
Yes Lenno, they are masters of distortion, They will twist and misuse words like racism or racist so much they lose their meaning, to me a racist was the type who wore hoods and hung poor african-americans in places like Mississippi, nowadays they use the word racist to mean “we hate you conservative types”. They also invented a word that is meaningless in the extreme, :Islamophobia they cry, that word is just pathetic, I call it Islamorealism.
“to me a racist was the type who wore hoods and hung poor african-americans in places like Mississippi, ”
So, to be clear, to be a racist, you need to wear a costume and kill people in America. To judge a person based on their skin colour in any other country, or while not wearing a costume, or not involving murder- that’s not racist? Is that right? So a person refused work because of his or her skin colour-not racist, a person whose reporting of a crime is ignored because of his skin colour-not racist, a comment stating that all people of a particular skin colour are evil and should die-not racist. Is that right?
“nowadays they use the word racist to mean “we hate you conservative types”.”
Please, show me anyone on here who has, in your belief, been displayed not because they experessed any racist, sexist, or otherwise bigoted beliefs, but because they are conservative. Please give me examples. Otherwise, you are just trying to tell us that being racist is part of being conservative-which is not fair to conservatives at all!
“They also invented a word that is meaningless in the extreme, :Islamophobia they cry, that word is just pathetic, I call it Islamorealism.”
Realism? You are really going to tell me your view on Islam, which is not based on any Muslim you have had contact with but indeed explicitly rules them out-is based on reality?
Tell us-what is your view on Islam based on. We know it’s not based on any interaction you’ve had with any Muslim-you said as much-so what is it based on that makes your belief realistic, even though it ignores Muslims who don’t fit your negative view.
My point exactly ^
I’m proud to be Australian. So is my wife’s family. Her parents came from Greece in the 60s. I think that as with all different groups, whether its the Muslims, the Aboriginals, the Vietnamese in the 90s or the Anglo Australians who use Australia Day as a platform for racism etc, its always the minority within any group that get the most attention and seem to make the most noise. Instead of voicing their disgust at the racist flag draped bogans, why don’t these people posting comments let us know what they are doing on Australia Day
Bingo.
I think on the 26th I may have a beer for the first time in 12 months. I celebrate the good things that Australia has done, and I do understand that many bad things happened here, Ben Hall Gang was a negative for instance, There were people here in the 19th century who did hate aborigines and Chinese I do understand that, but please lets make sure which is fact and which isnt, from what I see as the standard view here, none of you lefties want to seek out these facts because all that matters is your socialist agenda, and that is to literally change the very fabric of Australia, all you want to do is tear the entire thing down. None of you are proud of all the magnificent achievements of this country, You are ostriches with your heads in the sand.
“but please lets make sure which is fact and which isnt,”
I’ve presented you some facts. You have presented none, and instead presented a view of history with mixed race relations in the 18th and 19th centuries resulted in children being raised as white, which would be a miracle.
If you have sources, I would like to see them.
“none of you lefties want to seek out these facts because all that matters is your socialist agenda, and that is to literally change the very fabric of Australia”
How is anyone here “changing the fabric” of Australia? How is the “fabric” of Australia anymore at risk than it has ever been before?
“all you want to do is tear the entire thing down. ”
So, le’ts get this clear. Australia started out as a diverse place, and has become more diverse since. New groups come in, and despite some problems at the start find thier way in Australia and make something of themselves. And Australia has continued and grown stronger as a result…..
Except for Muslims. Australia is, according to you, going to be ruined because of our tiny population of Msulims, which will remain a tiny population.
“None of you are proud of all the magnificent achievements of this country, ”
No, absolutely not. I am proud of Australia. We made the most liveable country, the most diverse country, and the most freedom loving country in the world, and not only did we do it, we did it by starting as a penal colony! We gave women the vote, declared our nationhood with a vote, with no blood spilled-and yes I am proud of it!
But being proud of our successes does not mean we ignore our failures. You shouldn’t do that in your day to day life, so you definately shouldn’t do it when thinking about your country.
“You are ostriches with your heads in the sand.”
Says the guy literally denying every Aboriginal massacre organised by officials from the colony.
I was called a racist on a facbook wall the other day when I mentioned I came from Sylvania in the Sutherland Shire….the accuser is a leftie, I too am a very staunch leftie and I am disappointed that perhaps most lefties think this way….that you must be a racist because you lived or live in the Shire….I would be interested in what your thoughts are on this.
Of course you’re a racist because you live in the shire that contains the suburb which in 2005 a demonstration took place which involved ( and not the demonstration as a whole) some very ugly incidents. Many of which were carried out by people coming into the area from other suburbs. So it is just logic that if you are from the shire you must be a racist. People who make such assumptions or statements are just as narrow minded as the racists that they despise
LOL, I find that their assumption of you is retarded and funny, and it just adds weight to my arguments, thank you
Yeah, that person was just as ignorant as the people featured here. I don’t think anyone will be defending their actions here.
I remember occasionalyl someone will have a go at a particular suburb here-but it’s not on, and normally the criticism from all posters knocks that stuff down.
We just need to remember, it doesn’t matter if you’re a leftie or a rihtie, a Muslim or a Non-Muslim, or anything else-you can still be a jerk, but you don’t have to be a jerk.
The main thing the article highlights, is the common problem where minority groups are given more air time, in comparison with the majority.
The article shows that around 2% (my guess at the percentage of aboriginal people in Australia’s total population), may have an issue with the date of the public holiday, and even flags a day where that small percentage were given the vote, as a potential replacement.
So… let’s take a day that makes sense to 70% of the pop, and change it to suit 2% of the pop. Madness!!
There are a lot of white Aussies who do not like the idea of a day when the Indigenous people were dispossessed of their land being celebrated with bogot raucous triumphalism. That includes us and our readers.
I do not know of any Australians who celebrate Australia day as a “triumph” over the aborigines, We celebrate the good, the achievements, the left cannot ever speak for the majority, you are the minority, yet you get the MAJORITY of the power in the country, why is that ?,
“We celebrate the good, the achievements,”
Yes, but it’s a celebration many Aborigines cannot enjoy, because it comes with hurt and a reminder of the hardship they experienced. If you celebrate on the same day a friend is mourning the anniversary of the death of their child-your friend is not going to be able to celebrate with you, no matter how good and pure your intentions are. Even more so if the thing you are celebrating in some way contributed to the death of the child.
I celebrate Australia Day just as you do, but I do believe it’s on a date that the whole country will not be able to enjoy. And that’s where I think the problem lies.
But that is just my own opinion. No reason to punch me in the nose or anything.
“the left cannot ever speak for the majority, ”
No one is saying we can. You did at one point say you did speak for the majority of Australians. Still waiting for you to back that up.
“you are the minority, yet you get the MAJORITY of the power in the country, why is that ?,”
What? Have you been drinking? Where are you getting this information that Lefties have the majority of the power in Australia? Last time I checked, we have these wonderful things called elections-and we all get to vote-that decides who runs Australia. Definately not a secret cabal of Communists/lizard people-I promise you that.
Well said.
%2 must be those with ONLY aboriginal blood in them, there are millions of living Australians who have some aboriginal blood in there somewhere.
But as to the point of your post I wholeheartedly agree with you, nice to hear a voice of reason somewhere here.
I have a question to those here, Are non leftists welcome here or do you guys wanna ban us from speaking ?
“I have a question to those here, Are non leftists welcome here or do you guys wanna ban us from speaking ?”
Well, it depends on how you define conservative. If you mean someone who prefers conservative style government, not progressive changes-then that’s fine. There’s plenty of posters here who are right of centre, but tend to think that racism is wrong-and they are welcome.
But if we go to your magical definition where conservative means: “I”m allowed to be racist, sexist, and all sorts of bigoted, and if you tell me I’m wrong then you’re violating my political rights” – then…well you’re still fine to be here, but don’t expect people to accept your views without question (Especially your “I base my view of Muslims on everything except actual first hand experience with Muslims”).
Why do you ask? Are youhoping you’ll get banned soon, so you can go back to the ADL and say “Hey they hate free speech, so they banned me-three cheers for me?” rather than “Hey-they let me talk, but then challenged my argument, and I couldn’t really defend myself, so came crawling back here”
It just looks a bit desperate to be honest.
Another person not reading the article:
“The article shows that around 2% (my guess at the percentage of aboriginal people in Australia’s total population), may have an issue with the date of the public holiday, and even flags a day where that small percentage were given the vote, as a potential replacement.”
Yes, that’s the real centre piece of the article. Not that many people started racist tirades at the thought of Australia Day changing its name, which has never happened and will never happen.
“the common problem where minority groups are given more air time, in comparison with the majority.”
How is this a common problem? Tell me all these tv shows and newspapers that give more space to minorities than they do Anglo-saxons? Last time I checked the world of the non-Caucasian opinion writer was a very small one indeed.
And this highlights the common problem for people to see themselves as being repressed when one non-white person turns up on a new report before every white person in the country has a chance to.
Do you lefties think the word fascist means “people we don’t like” ?, it seems that way to me.
No. I think fascist means not allowing any laternative points of view-essentially having one belief, your own, and making that the standard for an entire nation.
Do you think “Freedom of speech” means “Freedom to say anything I want, and nothing I don’t want to hear”? It seems that way to me.
I have never tried to stop you saying what you want and you actually have a right to offend me if I want. All I have done here is expressed my view, I have no real problem with you, but I have the right to say what I want too, and just like you I also deserve to have an anonymous name like BootOutTheLefties but that right has been denied me on here and that is disgraceful and anti-freedom. I do not advocate that anyone has the right to break the law though and that seems to be what has happened here to me and to all those not connected with the left wing. I see many real names on here, but only those who disagree with the mainly left wing population here.
We publish names of hostiles. We have that right. And we know vastly more about the law than you do.
I suggest you people watch some of the videos Mr Pat Condell made on Youtube, would be interested to hear all the cries and handwringing that his words will cause among you. Pat Condell speaks nothing but the cold hard truth, Deal with it.
Stick to playing snooker. You might be good at that.
Like so many from the right Condell fell under the Islamophobe bus and has not picked himself up. A marginal figure at best (unless of course you live in the far right alternative universe rather than the real world).
Sick to your cue and shiny coloured balls. Cue you may have, clue you do not.
Hmmm Condell is not of the right wing at all, he just tells the truth
You lie down with Fascist dogs you get Fascist fleas – that’s what happened to Condell. He could have been an effective voice, now he is a joke.
So you based your entire view on Islam, not on the Muslims you have met and enjoyed contact with, but the videos of a crazy guy on youtube?
To think, one missed click and you woul have ended up basing your world view on keyboard cat.
But seriously, let’s say I wanted to get to know you better, get to know your beliefs and mindset in a better way. Should I speak to you about this (My routine), or should I steadfastly refuse to talk to you to get to know you better, and instead listen to a comedian I’ve never met on youtbue, who is posting videos about you, although he hasn’t met you either (Your routine)? Which would end up with the best source of information about you?
“Pat Condell speaks nothing but the cold hard truth, Deal with it.”
Pat Condell is a comedian. Repeating something he heard from someone else.
You know what’s real? Those Muslims you actually had a nice time with-those whose company you enoyed. But why are you basing your view of Muslims not on the positive experiences you’ve had with actual real Muslims, but the view of a comedian in another country who you’ve never met, and whose own experience is no more detailed than your own.
Seriously, the Islamaphobic network is just a circle jerk, isn’t it? Going round and round and round-the same information reinforcing the same information.
“So you based your entire view on Islam, not on the Muslims you have met and enjoyed contact with, but the videos of a crazy guy on youtube?”
No, I learned the truth about Islam from reading every history text I could ever get my hands on, I have known for decades about the utterly evil practices and conquests of both Islam AND the christian church. I know what kind of liar and monster Mohammad the Prophet was, and I also learned that NOT ONE century ever went by without pogroms and attempts at the genocide of the Jews from BOTH Islam and Christianity. Christians have mostly become civilized over the last couple of centuries and only a lunatic fringe of christians preach horrible ideas. BUT Islam is still stuck in the 10th century because too many of them take every word of the koran literally, it preaches intolerance and tell it’s followers to exterminate all infidels (all of us on here, leftie and non leftie) from the earth as a sacred duty If you haven’t learned that from history then you are utterly stupid.
“No, I learned the truth about Islam from reading every history text I could ever get my hands on, ”
Really, including the golden period of Islam, when Islam was a pinnacle of scientific, cultural and artistic achievement, around the same time that the West was living in the dark ages? Did you read that too?
And please, tell me which historical texts you read.
” Christians have mostly become civilized over the last couple of centuries and only a lunatic fringe of christians preach horrible ideas. ”
So….Christianity and Islam are both evil religions with evil practices, evil history, and evil practitioners…..but Christianity got better so it’s okay….while Islam will always be evil and will never change? Is that what your study of history told you?
“it preaches intolerance and tell it’s followers to exterminate all infidels (all of us on here, leftie and non leftie) from the earth as a sacred duty If you haven’t learned that from history then you are utterly stupid.”
If this is truly what Islam stands for (Exterminating all non Muslims from the face of the earth), then why haven’t they? Come on Greg, think about the huge length of time that Islamic nations were unified while Christanity was spread out, that Islamic countries were making scientific advances while non-Islamic countries were rejecting science, think about all the non-Muslims who lived in Muslim countries during that time…why did no mass extermination of all non-Muslims occur in the Islamic empire? Why are there still non-Muslims in countries that have always been Muslim?
Hell, why is there not now riots in Melbourne, in Shepparton with our large Muslim population putting everyone to the sword?
I believe I asked you this earlier, but what would it take for you to go: “I’m sorry, I misjudged the entire religion”
Because you’re expecting a civil war, that will never happen. You’re seeing all Muslims as a threat even though you’ve said everyone you met was a nice person. So, what would it take for you to admit your theory is wrong. Currently it looks like you’ve got a locked in mindset that refuses to allow in any new information that may challenge that mindset, which means, your theory can never be proven wrong. And that means you can and will spend your whole life worrying about the imagined Muslim invasion, and never have a happy life.
As for those I met and liked I recognise them as very MILD Muslims who haven’t had their world view distorted by one of the many mad mullahs out there, private thoughts of theirs I cannot speak of, I do hope they are capable of healthy skepticism. Lets get one thing clear, there are good and bad everywhere in all creeds, only a fool would deny that. What I am telling you is, that terrorists are real, they are out there, everywhere, that’s why I hope there are enough fair minded muslims out there with that aforesaid skepticism. I will say also that some things you say I do agree with but I do disagree with at least % 75 with what I have read from you. Yes I don’t know you, and I really do hope that you ain’t a hard line Stalinist but I am not sure, and Stalin still scares the shit out of me, to me he may well be the most evil man of the last 2 centuries but then again there is Mao. Hitler I hate with a passion also, in fact I hate anyone opposed to true democracy.
And in this post, we learn that Muslims are like chilli.
“I recognise them as very MILD Muslims who haven’t had their world view distorted by one of the many mad mullahs out there,”
So fine people who have their own religion, which you believe is evil and entirely evil. This is still contradictory.
” private thoughts of theirs I cannot speak of, I do hope they are capable of healthy skepticism. ”
So now, you’ve met some nice people, you’ve said their nice, but when pointed out that you’ve also said their religion and anyone who follows it is evil, you’re saying: “I hope they’re really a nice person, and not just secretly evil”
Come on, Greg. You could think that about anyone. Maybe everyone in the world, including family, is only pretending to be nice, and are really evil. You can’t tell, after all.
“Lets get one thing clear, there are good and bad everywhere in all creeds, only a fool would deny that. ”
Good, this we agree on. However, you think we should judge the entirety of a religion of 1 billion people on their bad elements, while you will not judge any other religion or group on its bad elements, only its good. Why is that?
“What I am telling you is, that terrorists are real, they are out there, everywhere,”
True, but guess what, there are extremists in every sort of religion or belief system. Why only Muslims getting targetted? The far left and far right have both produced terrorists-should we be calling for anyone left or right wing to be prevented from coming to Australia. Irish terrorists were the big fear factor a few decades ago-are they also to be banned?
Hell, let’s go further. Considering that Islamic terrorists in Australia have killed far less people than, say, angry white male loner serial killers, why aren’t we judging angry male loners like you’re judging Muslims, and deporting them?
We already have security checks and police checks and all sorts of checks in place for people who migrate to this country. People are being checked out, for links to terrorist groups and such. And guess what, it’s working. IT’s part of the reason that in the very rare case that someone is even thinking about having a terrorist act in Australia, we catch them long before anyone gets hurt.
Now, I’m sure you’re thinking: “Well, we’d be safer still if all Muslims were gone”, but firstly that’s wrong (The most devastating terrorist act, September 11, was caused by foreign nationals arriving on a plane-not local residents of the country), and secondly, you could say we’d be safer if all suspect groups were got rid of. After all, you don’t know, to 100% certainty, that your next door neighbour is not a murderer/rapist/paedophile, but you trust that he probably isn’t, and that if he is he’d be cuaght long before he hurts someone.
So you have a trust for most of the world, that they are not going to hurt you, and if they do that they will be caught and punished. But for Muslim people, despite you saying that those whom you hvae met have been nice people, you think we should all judge them harshly. Why is that?
“Yes I don’t know you, and I really do hope that you ain’t a hard line Stalinist but I am not sure, and Stalin still scares the shit out of me, to me he may well be the most evil man of the last 2 centuries but then again there is Mao.”
How am I a Stalinist, you silly person? Is saying “I don’t hate any particular group and want them all to be welcome” something Stalin said?
“in fact I hate anyone opposed to true democracy.”
Define true democracy. And again, if in your answer you could say how you support it, even while stating that you like to joke about deporting people you disagree with, and beating up people who say something you disagree with.
Believing in democracy and free speech Greg, means beliving in it, even when people say something you disagree with. You’re allowed to argue with them, challenge them, but you’re not allowed to beat them up or not count their view. I think you need to learn that if you truly want to believe in democracy and free speech, instead of: “Everyone who agrees with me gets to vote, and everyone who agrees with me gets to speak”-which is what it sounds like you do believe in.
I just saw this genius cartoon from over 50 years ago and is a lesson to you all, watch it and learn something,
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Wait you believe in the NWO now?
Ooooh, goodie. I love a conspiracy theory!
Please tell me who are the secret villians at the head of the NWO. Is it the Jews? The communists? The Masonic lodges? The UN? The Devil? Shape changing lizard people? And any source of evidence backing up your belief?
In regards to the chain email about ‘Citizens Day’ mentioned at the beginning of this article.
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/gillard-citizens-day-hoax.shtml
This article and discussion started off so well. I’ve been stunned at the people I know, touting anti- citizen day and other racist propaganda on Facebook- some of them were no surprise, and some I thought to be intelligent people.
Australia is a big old melting pot. I grew up with many different nationalities- and my WW2 serving Pommy father and my mother taught me to judge people on a person by person basis.
My point being that this much older generation seemed to be more tolerant than people of a similar socioeconomic level now. My family was working class, and many of my family are quite bogan.. And many of them have beleived this hoax.
Why so divisive, Australia? When did it become an offense against white Aussies to have your own culture? I was brought up in a British household. We didn’t eat Vegemite. Dad called potato chips ‘crisps’. You get the idea.
No,it’s not as different as what other cultures have- but everything that comes in simply adds to the richness that is Aussie culture.
We’re all immigrants- except the aboriginals. None of us really belong. We have all come and made a home here, so why can’t this new wave of immigrants?
Oh- and to be old white Australian simply means you have a criminal past in your family.
What has happened to us as a nation?
Also- I have found some of the rantings of so called ‘educated’ non bogans here hilarious. Please keep writing, it’s rather entertaining.
I have never thought of Australia Day of a day of “kicking out the Aborigines” or “genocide” or anything… I don’t remember learning anything about genocide – I just remember the “whites” thinking that they would be helping the Aborigines by civilising them… Language barriers obviously made it difficult for the Aborigines to communicate that they didn’t need the help = big sad. Well that’s what I got out of it at school.
I don’t really see the point in trying to make up for or change the past… Nothing can be changed now so why not just enjoy it for what it is – a celebration of Australia and her beautiful landscapes and the privilege of being Australian. To be completely honest I do feel threatened by other cultures sometimes but what will happen will happen and as long as people vote with their feet I think the culture we know and love (and obviously other countries have a reason for coming here! I just don’t understand why they go trying to change stuff…beggars can’t be choosers and all that…) will stay strong.
” Language barriers obviously made it difficult for the Aborigines to communicate that they didn’t need the help = big sad. Well that’s what I got out of it at school.”
Yeah, my schooling was restricted like that too. And it’s a shame. Because I do think in Australia our history classes in both primary and secondary school do get us to be all high and mighty and look down our noses at America (Shame on you-not allowed black people to sit wherever they want on the bus, or go into the same restaurants), or Germany (Shame on you-killing people because they’re different), to the point that we ignore that very similar atrocities occured in Australia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Ride_%28Australia%29
And I do believe this has resulted in a change in the result. Germany has lived in shame of the Holocaust, and the Jewish population of Germany, the returned population at least, is doing well for themselves. America has acknowledged their violation of civil rights, and while people are not truly equal, they now have now come to the point that they will elect a Black man president twice.
Whereas the Aboriginal community is still hurting. And they have been hurting for a long time.
“I don’t really see the point in trying to make up for or change the past… Nothing can be changed now so why not just enjoy it for what it is – a celebration of Australia and her beautiful landscapes and the privilege of being Australian. ”
With all due respect-that’s easy for you to say when you’re not the one being hurt.
Suppose a momentous occasion occurs for me-birth of my first child for example. As a result of my celebration, I somehow burn down your house.
Now, one year on from that, when I have occasionally denied having anything to do with your house burning down, and definately not tried enough ways to help you find yourself a new home, would you be happy with me inviting you to a new party, for my child’s first birthday, which of course falls on the day I burnt down your house? Would you think to yourself “I don’t really see the point in trying to make up for or change the past” when it’s your past which has been hurt and is still hurting you?
“To be completely honest I do feel threatened by other cultures sometimes ”
Why? What about them threatens you? IS it just difference, because everyone is different, and different doesn’t stay scary once you get to recognise it as normal.
“I just don’t understand why they go trying to change stuff”
What other cultures have been changing stuff of yours?
my god. What a load of crap I have read in this blog. And you call yourselves Australian.
I was born in this country to parents who were also born in this country. The way I see it, that makes me Australian. Not less an Australian to my native brothers of this great land but an equal Australian. No one can tell me to go home because I am home. Rather than fight over the date or meaning of Australia day, lets just celebrate the fact that we are all Australian and blessed to live together in this beautiful country.
I don’t believe I need to say sorry, nor do I believe I have to make exception to other religions in my country. This is my Australia and I will die defending it. I make no apology to celebrating Christmas or Easter and nor should our children in our schools. I welcome any one who wishes to live in my country as long as they are prepared to adopt our heritage. If not then don’t live here. To have this belief is not racist, just Australian.
Australia day to me is all about celebrating the best country in the world. Forget the politics and just rejoice together.
If we have to dwell on the past then let me say this. I am not proud of the fact that I may be descendant of British or European descent. Lets face it, they don’t have a good track record of being the most friendly race in the world. Look what they did to the North American Indian way before they decided to rape and murder the caretakers of this great land.
At the end of the day I see it like this. I have been as far north as the Cape York Peninsular, West to Exmouth, south to Albany and all up and down the east coast. I have travelled across the Nullarbor and through the desert from Mt Isa to Alice Springs. Out there away from the cities is where you will find Australia. That is the country I love and the people who live in it. That’s what I celebrate on Australia Day.
“Rather than fight over the date or meaning of Australia day, lets just celebrate the fact that we are all Australian and blessed to live together in this beautiful country.”
Yeah, I’d like that too, but unfortunately it is very easy to say “Get over the hardship” when it’s someone else who’s been hurt.
“I don’t believe I need to say sorry,”
Why not? Saying sorry doesn’t mean “I accept full blame and will provide financial repayments” you know. Sorry can just mean “I acknowledge something terrible happened, and I wished it never had, and if I could I would have stopped it”
For instance, when I found out my dog died, my flat mate at the tieme told me “I’m sorry”. Now, I’m pretty sure she hadn’t killed my dog. I think what was happening was she was acknowledging that my dog dying was sad, and it was something she wished didn’t have to happen.
” nor do I believe I have to make exception to other religions in my country”
Is anyone asking you to make exceptions for other religions?
” I make no apology to celebrating Christmas or Easter and nor should our children in our schools. ”
Is anyone asking you to apologise for celebrating Christmas or Easter?
” I welcome any one who wishes to live in my country as long as they are prepared to adopt our heritage. If not then don’t live here.”
What does that mean? What does a person need to do to “Adopt our Australian heritage”?
” I am not proud of the fact that I may be descendant of British or European descent. Lets face it, they don’t have a good track record of being the most friendly race in the world. ”
But here’s where I disagree with you. I am proud of what my forefathers did. They helped build the world. The Golden Age of the British Empire lead to huge improvements in art, literature, science, technology and transport-the world today.
I hate this false dichotomy of: “You either love a group, or you feel shame”-you don’t have to choose. You can love your origins, but feel ashamed of particular episodes. I love my country, but I am also aware that our history does have episodes of great shame, some of which are still hurting our population to this day.
And this is why I do support the change of date for Australia Day. Because it should be Australia Day-not just “Some segments of Australia” – Day. It should celebrate what we are, where we have came from, and our long history, long before the First Fleet Arrived.
And it’s hard to do that when it’s occurring on a date which is painful for our first inhabitants. Now choosing a better date-that’s a bit harder, and I admit I’m happy to stick with January 26 until a better date comes along, but that doesn’t make my belief that the date should eventually change any less strong.
Murray, I assume that like me you didn’t come on here with your real sounding name and just like all the lefties here had an anonymus name, yet without our permission they have put the name Murray Biddle which as far as I know is a criminal act and obviously points to these people having a very nasty agenda and it’s obvious they are just USING the silly Islamists for that agenda. Any human with a brain can see they want to use them to annihilate us, not realizing that to the Islamists the lefties are even more unpalatable to them. I am from the mostly silent majority who values democracy and freedom from censorship, if we die out the world will too as these two totalitarian extremes (communism and Islamo-Fascism (Islam is very very fascist).
As your rights were violated Murray you have a right to legal action against the people running this site as far as I can see, but I admit I am no lawyer but surely they can’t do such an abominable act, I will get advice from an expert to see if the law recognizes it too. Watch This Space ………………………………………………………..
Depends on whether we let you post again or not. You are spamming at the moment. Spammers go to the spam bin.
We have no problems publishing the names of hostiles.
Wow, a lawyer as well as a diplomat-go you! Please, tell us what law is broken by repeating a quote that has already been made publically, and publicising that person’s name against that public comment. Please, let me, no, let the world know., I’m sure everyone who has ever been quoted in any newspaper or television show when they stated somrhing stupid would like to sue the pants off everyone for not quoting them first.
“these people having a very nasty agenda and it’s obvious they are just USING the silly Islamists for that agenda. ”
We have a secret plan? Oooh, please tell me more.
“I am from the mostly silent majority who values democracy and freedom from censorship, ”
Hypocrisy, thy name is…whatever your real name is. You are from the silent majority (No evidence that anyone agrees with you) who values democracy and freedom from censorship (Have previously stated he will fight anyone who says something he doesn’t like).
How can you be against censorship, yet also want to punch someone who says a view of history you oppose?
“if we die out the world will too”
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Apparently, whatever his name is is really Captain Planet!
The world’s going to be fine. So don’t worry, you don’t have to be immortal.
“I will get advice from an expert to see if the law recognizes it too.”
Please, record the conversation then post the transcript here. I think it would go a little like this:
“So….a guy I don’t know online said something stupid, he said it publically and he said it to a lot of people. And he said this stupid thing on a website-and he’s okay with this. But…but, someone put this comment on another web page….so how much can we sue them for?”
Lawyer: “Hmmmm, I think I’ll need my payment up front”
Lot’s of people like you come and go. They all apparently have lawyers at hand, hell some have a class action suit. Yet here this site still is. No change, no subpoenas. Nothing. What do you think that tells you, fake name?
Hey, maybe all other lawyers don’t know what they’re talking about, and you, and you alone will be lucky. Good luck with that!
Fuck being Australian. I handed back that useless passport and returned to the Promise Land, Korea. With my Aussie Pension and Compo Checks haha FUCKING LOSERS HAHAHAHA
Thanks for joining us, and all the best for your trip. Please give our regards to Psy.
Cool, fair enough. So as a joke you decided to imply that you wanted everyone who you disagreed with to be deported from Australia? You sound like a really funny guy!
Just to be clear, were you also having a little joke when you said that if someone told you something that you didn’t want t ohear then you would punch them and it would be their own fault? It’s kinda hard to have free speech if it comes in the form of: “Say whatever you want, but unless I agree with it, I will hit you until you stop saying it”
The R word is a very powerful social control word to control White people. Anti-whites hate this when I point this out. It stops the fraud.
Whites are currently endangered by a global program of White genocide:
Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White Countries for Everybody
Annihilation by Assimilation
Every white country on earth is supposed to become multicultural and multiracial. EVERY white country is expected to end its own race and end its own culture. No one asks that of ANY non-white country.
The Netherlands is more crowded than Japan, Belgium is more crowded than Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve the RACE problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and assimilating and intermarrying with them.
Everybody says the final solution to the RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to bring in the third world and assimilate with them.
Immigration, tolerance, and especially assimilation are being used against the white race.
All this immigration and intermarriage is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.
Anti-white is called anti-racist, but it leads to the disappearance of one race and only one race, the white race. The real aim of anti-racism is to wipe out the white race or make it a minority anywhere it exists.
It is genocide.
40 000 dead Aussies who fought Fascism would disagree.
With your strange obsession with children perhaps law enforcement would be interested in you.
You have your left and right mixed up. And you speak for those 40,000? I count them as victims of White genocide in a series of unnecessary wars where the main enemies have been domestic taking power and killing their own citizens by various means.
So what part of the White genocide message offends you so? I just hear general contempt but maybe you feel that way about all of life.
Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White Countries for Everybody
Annihilation by Assimilation
Every white country on earth is supposed to become multicultural and multiracial. EVERY white country is expected to end its own race and end its own culture. No one asks that of ANY non-white country.
The Netherlands is more crowded than Japan, Belgium is more crowded than Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve the RACE problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and assimilating and intermarrying with them.
Everybody says the final solution to the RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to bring in the third world and assimilate with them.
Immigration, tolerance, and especially assimilation are being used against the white race.
All this immigration and intermarriage is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.
Anti-white is called anti-racist, but it leads to the disappearance of one race and only one race, the white race. The real aim of anti-racism is to wipe out the white race or make it a minority anywhere it exists.
It is genocide.
There is only one race. It is called the human race.
Each member has a number of individual superficial characteristics such as skin and eye colour.
Physical characteristics do not determine culture. Culture is modulated by environment and personal choices.
There are populations which superficially appear alike but there is more genetic diversity within each of those populations than there is within humanity as a whole.
Maybe the white supremacist/neo-Nazi would like to explain why a Swedish person can share DNA with a Native American or with someone from a South Asian background. Fact.
Silly, where do you anti-whites come up with these crazy ideas about race?
Careful brainwashing by an anti-white system including public re-ed centers (public schools).
So “human race,” PC dogma of race denial justifies White genocide today?
See UN Resolution 260.
How is this not genocide:
White countries are being flooded by non-whites. We are told to be TOLERANT. We are forced to integrate.
With assimilation we see the extinction of one race only, the white race. Its not funny, not comedy, its white genocide.
Yeah we know Scumfront ordered you to write the mantra every time you invade a mainstream forum like this one.
More confirmation of what the Princeton librarian wrote
White supremacists are
always unachieving white people.
always unsuccessful by any measure.
By the way we are removing the mantra from your posts. It is dumb.
Mainstream? Mainstream brainwashing system. For you anti-white wolves, you fear a White Ram who speaks out because the other sheep start waking up. That makes it harder for the wolves to get an easy meal.
You are a small minority supported by the anti-white global elite system that pretends to represent the White majority.
Your anti-white reign is over.
What Whites need to answer for themselves is –
How is this not genocide:
White countries are being flooded by non-whites. Whites are told to be TOLERANT. Whites are forced to integrate.
With assimilation we see the extinction of the White race.
I am a white supremacist and neo-Nazi
White supremacists are
always unachieving white people.
always unsuccessful by any measure.
Anti-white, are you trying to hurt my feelings? Assault my self-esteem?
You’ve got it, its White genocide:
White countries flooded by non-whites.Whites are told be TOLERANT.Whites are forced to integrate.With assimilation we see the extinction of the White race.
“Genocide involves the attempt to achieve the disappearance of a group by whatever means. It does not have to be violent, it could be a combination of policies that would lead to a certain group dying out.” Fraser-PM Australia ‘75-83
Answer back if you have an honest and reasonable answer.
… are you trying to hurt my feelings? Assault my self-esteem?
We find white supremacists boring but we leave you here so the regulars can laugh at you.
Just the chance to tell Whites about White genocide and the anti-whites who support it, is very satisfying. Sticks and stone, etc.
Its a good day to fight White genocide:
The WHITE GENOCIDE Mantra is a rebellion against the wholesale nonwhite invasion of white lands, a rebellion against the brutal attack on the political rights of white people,a rebellion against the theft of the inheritances of white people, and a rebellion against the cruel assault on the posterity of white people.
How is this not genocide:White countries flooded by non-whites.Whites are told be TOLERANT.Whites are forced to integrate.With assimilation we see the extinction of the White race.
Is there anything better to do than fight?
No one listens to you but we leave you up here so as our readers can laugh and poke fun at you.
No such thing as “the white race”.
And like all you pathetic supremacists you cannot wait to start violence.
Imagine an anti-white trying to deny the existence of the White race. You’ve made a very dogmatic statement.
Violence? An anti-white assertion based on bigotry to justify White genocide today.
You anti-whites always want to support a White genocide program, creating conditions that lead to fewer Whites, more non-whites in White countries, and over time the likelihood of no White people.
You haven’t given a dictionary definition of genocide.
If you think that the acceptance of citizens from around the world into ‘white’ countries is so that governments can ‘attempt’ to eliminate ‘pure whites’ then that’s your prerogative. Maybe you should take it up with the mixed race couples who are procreating and not an anti racism blog.
Whites make up less than 10% of the world at this point of time. It is inevitable. But it is neither a good or a bad thing. It is just a thing. People are people. Fuckholes like yourself who hold onto notions of purity will most likely struggle to procreate with anyone.
And this:
https://blogs.princeton.edu/librarian/2012/08/the-stupidity-of-white-supremacists/
Yes the Aussies died fighting the nazis, but you call EVERYONE who doesn’t agree with you a nazi, which is obviously YOUR INTOLERANCE. You cannot call non communists nazis, it is you that refuses to realise that you are the totalitarian here, I ask you, what difference is there between hitler and Mao ?… answer : NOTHING, both evil, both inhuman monsters deserving of condemnation, You, are against free speech, and you are against human rights of all kinds, I pity any country that you ever get to have complete dictatorial powers, you will send us all into a hellish future where suicide would be the only sane option for all humans. I’m glad you Greens are a lunatic fringe minority.
“You, are against free speech, and you are against human rights of all kinds,”
How eactly are we stopping your free speech, Greg? In your answer please explain why despite thinking how fun it would be to forcibly remove those who disagree with yuo from Australia, and how much you’d like to punch anyone who disagrees with you, you actually do believe in free speech, even when you disagree with it.
Dictionary definition of White genocide? We know what White is. We know what genocide is.
When we have: Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White Countries for Everybody, what do we have overtime?
We have fewer and fewer White people.
When we mix more non-whites and fewer Whites in the same living space…
In time, White extinction. Its called White genocide because this does not happen by chance. It is being forced upon Whites just like a rapist does not take no for an answer.
How is this not so? How is this not White genocide?
And I am a pathetic psychotic who cannot get a date.
“We know what White is. ”
Do you? Define it, please. Can a jewish person be white? What percentage of a person’s blood line has to come from Europe for them to be white?
“We know what genocide is.”
Well, evidently not, as you seem to think “Putting people with different skin colours in the same country as me” is the same as “Sterilisiing the population, exterminating their members through murder”
Come to think of it, has there been any other case of “genocide” in history which occurred by “Putting people who are different in the same country”, with no other action? Give me examples, please, anything to show you’re not just throwing the word genocide around not because its relevant but because it gets people’s attention.
“Africa for Africans, ”
And white people-isn’t that what you white supremacists get annoyed about in South Africa?
“We have fewer and fewer White people.”
Any evidence of this?
“When we mix more non-whites and fewer Whites in the same living space…”
So you’re annoyed that white peole are making babies with non-white people? That’s not genocide-and it’s not bein forced upon you. This may surprise you, but you are allowed to have children with a white person. Nothing is stopping you (Except maybe a the white person who doesn’t want to go out with a crazy person).
“Its called White genocide because this does not happen by chance. It is being forced upon Whites just like a rapist does not take no for an answer.”
How exactly is it being forced on Australia? Like I said, having migrants doesn’t make white people not exist. There is no law stopping you from finding a white person, and (if they consent) having as many babies as you want. There is no law stopping white people from having babies with other white people. Nor are there laws forcing white people to have babies with non-white people. So how are you being forced?
Unless….unless you are saying that just by the mere fact that people exist nearby with other skin colours, most white people will try to have babies with them-they can’t resist it. Well, that’s really a racist view of white people, as most of us have self control.
And pray tell, who is forcing it upon us? Who’s the grand mastermind of this conspiracy? The Jews? The Communists? The shape changing lizard people? The mole men living in the centre of the earth?
And am I right in saying the grand plan of this conspiracy, the method they use, can be boiled down to “Stopping you from having a date”-or are they even more powerful and are “Making you attracted to non-white girls”?
Oooh, those masterminds are sooo sneaky!
Your nitpicking efforts are merely to deny the White genocide I am pointing out.
US law defines White as a non-mongoloid caucasian. White has been used extensively in written and oral communication to indicate people of European origin. Are you denying the existence of Whites, so as to deny the possibility of White genocide or White’s right to their own exclusive institutions and governments?
You would like to simplify race to skin color as anti-whites like to argue. Another method to support White genocide.
The European powers divided colonized areas not along ethnic lines but to bunch ethnic groups together in the same nation to increase racial conflict (could lead to genocide) in order to control territories as racially divided areas. Divide and conquer.
Demographics show rapid decline of White populations. Don’t you know what fertility rates are? You need to be spoon fed?
White genocide is in part by White race replacement:
In 2043 Whites will be a minority in US/Canada. In UK 2066.No end in the decline in sight.
See: POPULATION CONTROL by Steve Mosher pg 8,”Three out of four Europeans will have disappeared by 2100…only 207 million will survive….average of remaining..over 60 yrs of age.”
Its worse than the effect of the Black Plague on White populations
This is not happening by chance.
When you force non-whites into White countries by approval of the invasions we see, the Whites that can flee, will flee. Those that can’t flee experience violence against their persons and in time their descendants become mixed with the non-white invaders.
If we look at Califiornia we see in the 1960s, Whites being 90% of the pop. This year only 39%. If you look at many neighborhoods you will see a great deal of mixed Whites now as well as many ethnically cleansed neighborhoods. many Whites have left the State.
You get the picture but as an anti-white you will deny this or be very pleased with this.
I’m not the admin that has been debating with you but I’d like to know: what can possibly be done to prevent this ‘White genocide’ you speak of?
The short answer I think you’ll find is ‘nothing’.
The second question I have for you is: if ‘White’ isn’t defined as a singular race or culture, then why are you so worried about ‘it’ disappearing?
Getting the White genocide message out is the way. Its non-violent and only about getting Whites to see their future if they don’t speak up.
It builds inner strength and helps Whites to stop taking mental and physical abuse that leads to White extinction over time.
Its simple. Now violent. With the goal of retaking social institutions and govts and stop the corruption we now have.
A worthy goal wouldn’t you agree?
If not, why not?
“Are you denying the existence of Whites, so as to deny the possibility of White genocide or White’s right to their own exclusive institutions and governments?”
Yes, I’m denying the existence of a “white culture” I’d deny anything that stated that I have some sort of connection to someone in Russia I’ve never met, rather than close non-white friends I have lived with my entire life.
Similarly, I deny “Black” culture, or “Asian culture”-the truth is there are a multitude of cultures you group together to try and pretend that white people are being repressed, when really there is no greagt unified African culture, or Asian culture, there are many little countries from all over the world.
And you ignored the question:
Can a jewish person be white? What percentage of a person’s blood line has to come from Europe for them to be white?
“You would like to simplify race to skin color as anti-whites like to argue. Another method to support White genocide.”
And you would like to ignore defining white culture. If it’s a culture, not just a colour of the skin, define it.
“The European powers divided colonized areas not along ethnic lines but to bunch ethnic groups together in the same nation to increase racial conflict (could lead to genocide) in order to control territories as racially divided areas.”
Source please. Come on, I ask you to show any other time in history that has met the description of genocide you are putting forward (“Putting people of different colours in the same country is GENOCIDE!”) and you present one part of coloanialism and state “Well, it could have lead to genocide”
So…….no time in history then? Just a “Well, this could have meant the same thing….if I believed in it”.
“Demographics show rapid decline of White populations. Don’t you know what fertility rates are? ”
So….how exactly is anyone stopping that? How is anyone stopping you from having as many babies as you want? Have you heard of octomum-no one was stopping her from having 16 children-what’s stopping you?
“In 2043 Whites will be a minority in US/Canada. In UK 2066.No end in the decline in sight.”
Again, not genocide. This is people having children at a faster rate. But that’s nothing to do with a vast conspiracy. I repeat-how exactly is anyone stopping you having a white partner and having as many children as you want?
“When you force non-whites into White countries by approval of the invasions we see, the Whites that can flee, will flee. ”
Not vanishing. This is people moving. Do you think when birds migrate for the winter, that they;ve actually all died? Peek a boo must be an ongoing game for you.
Also, any evidence that a lot of white people have fled Australia? After all, we’ve had a lot of non-white migration-so any evidence at all of white people fleeing Australia?
“Those that can’t flee experience violence against their persons and in time their descendants become mixed with the non-white invaders.”
Oh, so you’ll show that in Australia white people experience violence from non-whites at a larger rate than they do from white people. Right? You’ve got evidence for that and you’ve not just made up a bunch of crap?
Incidentally, I repeat, there is nothing stopping you having a baby with a white person. Unless, as I said previously and you ignored:
unless you are saying that just by the mere fact that people exist nearby with other skin colours, most white people will try to have babies with them-they can’t resist it. Well, that’s really a racist view of white people, as most of us have self control.
“If you look at many neighborhoods you will see a great deal of mixed Whites now as well as many ethnically cleansed neighborhoods.”
So…..now we find out that being “mixed white” doesn’t count. Now previously I asked what percentage has to be “white” to be counted as a “white person” in your eyes, and you ignored it. So let’s go again-what percentage does a person have to be “white” before you count them as white?
It seems more and more that the source of “white genocide” is your refusal to acknowledge that people who have the slightest bit of “non white ” ancestry as being white. Guess what, if all Asian cultures refused to acknowledge someone who had genes slightly outside the norm (Such as Vietnamese people with chinese ancestry) they’d be worried about “Asian genocide” too!
” many Whites have left the State.”
So……they’ve not been killed, they’ve just moved. No dissapearances, no vanishing, just moving. Again, when a flock of birds goes away for the winter-do you think they’ve vanished?
And you also ignored this:
“And pray tell, who is forcing it upon us? Who’s the grand mastermind of this conspiracy? The Jews? The Communists? The shape changing lizard people? The mole men living in the centre of the earth?
And am I right in saying the grand plan of this conspiracy, the method they use, can be boiled down to “Stopping you from having a date”-or are they even more powerful and are “Making you attracted to non-white girls”? “
Obviously you have more time to be anti-white than I have to cry to oppose every wordy rebuttal you might come up with.
The WHITE GENOCIDE Mantra is a rebellion against the wholesale nonwhite invasion of white lands, a rebellion against the brutal attack on the political rights of white people,a rebellion against the theft of the inheritances of white people, and a rebellion against the cruel assault on the posterity of white people.
How is this not genocide:White countries flooded by non-whites.Whites are told be TOLERANT.Whites are forced to integrate.With assimilation we see the extinction of the White race.
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.
Mate, no matter how you word your drivel, you are just an uneducated Nazi troll. Everything youve written is ridiculous. Get off your computer and go outside, the truth is waiting for you.
Just love your way with words. Racial name calling is the lowest form of human discourse.
Is Sarkozy one of your anti-white friends?
He’s a world leader calling for White genocide.
Enjoy the video:
[RACIST VIDEO REMOVED]
“It builds inner strength and helps Whites to stop taking mental and physical abuse that leads to White extinction over time.”
What mental and physical abuse? As a white person, I’ve experienced none of this.
“With the goal of retaking social institutions and govts and stop the corruption we now have.”
What social institutions and governments do we need to take back? Last time I checked there has been a very white history of Government in Australia, UK, USA, etc..
When whites are discriminated against in their own homelands, that’s evidence they do not control so-called White govts. Its clear in the US. Don’t know enough about the others to argue except that when govt policies lead to Whites being made a minority in their own homelands within a generation or two that is a serious issue for White white survival.Where do you live that you are not experiencing major changes on demographics?
“How is this not genocide:
White countries are being flooded by non-whites. Whites are told to be TOLERANT. Whites are forced to integrate.
With assimilation we see the extinction of one race only, the White race. Its not funny, not comedy, its white genocide.
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.”
Hi George, nice new name you’ve got for yourself. Same old crap though:
“When whites are discriminated against in their own homelands, that’s evidence they do not control so-called White govts.”
How exactly are white people being discriminated against? Please, be specific.
And stuff you ignored:
1. What mental and physical abuse? As a white person, I’ve experienced none of this.
2. Can a jewish person be white? What percentage of a person’s blood line has to come from Europe for them to be white?
3. And you would like to ignore defining white culture. If it’s a culture, not just a colour of the skin, define it.
4. Come on, I ask you to show any other time in history that has met the description of genocide you are putting forward (“Putting people of different colours in the same country is GENOCIDE!”) and you present one part of coloanialism and state “Well, it could have lead to genocide”
So…….no time in history then? Just a “Well, this could have meant the same thing….if I believed in it”.
5. How is anyone stopping you from having as many babies as you want? Have you heard of octomum-no one was stopping her from having 16 children-what’s stopping you?
6. Also, any evidence that a lot of white people have fled Australia? After all, we’ve had a lot of non-white migration-so any evidence at all of white people fleeing Australia?
7. Oh, so you’ll show that in Australia white people experience violence from non-whites at a larger rate than they do from white people. Right? You’ve got evidence for that and you’ve not just made up a bunch of crap?
8. “And pray tell, who is forcing it upon us? Who’s the grand mastermind of this conspiracy? The Jews? The Communists? The shape changing lizard people? The mole men living in the centre of the earth?
9. And am I right in saying the grand plan of this conspiracy, the method they use, can be boiled down to “Stopping you from having a date”-or are they even more powerful and are “Making you attracted to non-white girls”? “
To understand genocide, you might want to refer to UN Resolution 260. your view is very narrow.
“Genocide involves the attempt to achieve the disappearance of a group by whatever means. It does not have to be violent, it could be a combination of policies that would lead to a certain group dying out.” Fraser-PM Australia ‘75-83
Efforts to disappear a people is a clearer definition.
Tell me what think of Sarkozy’s call for White genocide in France?
To define a culture requires volumes. To contrast one with another maybe possible. Compare central Africa with central Europe and you can see a big difference.
Being in the largest White country in the world,the USA, I can say clearly that Whites are discriminated against by law and the violence of non-whites against Whites is disproportionately so.
The following video points out a problem that is being in virtual all White countries although I don’t know of Australia.
I’ve heard of gang races of Whites there by middle easterners. maybe you can fill in on this.
Why don’t you want to address the issues raised by this video?
[WHITE SUPREMACIST VIDEO REMOVED]
To paraphrase the anarchist Durruti:
We don’t debate Fascists. We eliminate them.
Do you even know what fascism is? Your anti-white program of White genocide is in support of globalism which is about as fascist as it gets.
As the Mafia would say, “its not personal. Its business.”
Fake name real Nazi. Don’t insult the great British socialist writer of speculative fiction.
https://www.facebook.com/george.wells.547
“Obviously you have more time to be anti-white than I have to cry to oppose every wordy rebuttal you might come up with.”
So you’ve time to post here regularly, come up with new names, and fight to defend white people, but not enough time to answer questions?
Let me guess, too busy triyng to find out what dastardly plot the reptile people have put in place to stop women from wanting to have babies with you.
“How is this not genocide:”
Repeating again, even thoguh, as we’ve previously established defining “genocide” as “Putting other groups with the original group, and not doing anything else” has NEVER been defined as genocide, and even you can’t find a case where genocide has been used in this way (Apart from your “white genocide” myth).
Considering you have time to repeat the same thing over and over, do you want to try and answer some questions:
1. What mental and physical abuse? As a white person, I’ve experienced none of this.
2. Can a jewish person be white? What percentage of a person’s blood line has to come from Europe for them to be white?
3. And you would like to ignore defining white culture. If it’s a culture, not just a colour of the skin, define it.
4. Come on, I ask you to show any other time in history that has met the description of genocide you are putting forward (“Putting people of different colours in the same country is GENOCIDE!”) and you present one part of coloanialism and state “Well, it could have lead to genocide”
So…….no time in history then? Just a “Well, this could have meant the same thing….if I believed in it”.
5. How is anyone stopping you from having as many babies as you want? Have you heard of octomum-no one was stopping her from having 16 children-what’s stopping you?
6. Also, any evidence that a lot of white people have fled Australia? After all, we’ve had a lot of non-white migration-so any evidence at all of white people fleeing Australia?
7. Oh, so you’ll show that in Australia white people experience violence from non-whites at a larger rate than they do from white people. Right? You’ve got evidence for that and you’ve not just made up a bunch of crap?
8. “And pray tell, who is forcing it upon us? Who’s the grand mastermind of this conspiracy? The Jews? The Communists? The shape changing lizard people? The mole men living in the centre of the earth?
9. And am I right in saying the grand plan of this conspiracy, the method they use, can be boiled down to “Stopping you from having a date”-or are they even more powerful and are “Making you attracted to non-white girls”? “
““Genocide involves the attempt to achieve the disappearance of a group by whatever means. It does not have to be violent, it could be a combination of policies that would lead to a certain group dying out.” Fraser-PM Australia ‘75-83”
Again, how exactly are any policies leading to the disappearance of white people. There is no policy stopping you or any other white person from having as many babies as you want with another white person. As long as this happens, white people continue to exist-correct?
And again, your definition of genocide is “People of different skin colours living in the same country” When has a case of genocide ever occurred which could be defined as the above, except in your mythical white genocide?
“Tell me what think of Sarkozy’s call for White genocide in France?”
Source please. I’m not going to acknowledge something as existing unless you have a source for it, since you have now made up many events. Considering a simple google search for “Sarkozy white genocide” turns up page after page of racist, white supremacist, and anti semitic literature (Sarkozy is a Jew apparently-kept that secret!)-which is funny, considering if he actually called for this, presumably a paper somehwere would say something.
Unless…all the media in the world are conspiring to stop you from have white babies?
“To define a culture requires volumes.”
So, you can;t define white culture, but it totally exists, in a much more real way than…say French culture, Australian culture, or British culture.
This is my problem-your theory of “White” culture pretends that I somehow have more in common with a person living in the middle of Russia who I have never met, who I share no religion, nation, language, history, background or beliefs in, I have more in common with this person than an asian next door neighbour who shares my religion, my language, my culture, my beliefs and my nation? Is that right?
“Being in the largest White country in the world,the USA, I can say clearly that Whites are discriminated against by law and the violence of non-whites against Whites is disproportionately so.”
So…let me get this straight. We are meant to believe that there is white spread white genocide, discrimination and hunting down of white people because……
YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN AMERICA!
How did you come to that powerful insight? Did you look out your window and go “Well, I saw a black person, that’s proof enough for me!”
Incidentally, I have travelled to America quite a bit. Next time I’m there can I tell you:
“Being in the largest white country in the world, the USA, I can say clearly that whites are not discriminated against by law”-after all, my balance of evidence (Which I repeat, is being currently residing within the United States) would be the exact same?
Come on-source. Not just a crazy you tube video. Not just “I’m in the country, so I know stuff”-an actual source.
“The following video points out a problem that is being in virtual all White countries although I don’t know of Australia.”
Again….why are you posting here? Why are you posting on an Australian site about Australia and Australian examples of racism, and specifically posting on an article about Australia Day? Do you even know when Australia Day is? Do you know why it is that date? What are you doing on this page if, as you say, you know nothing about Australia?
I repeat-do you go into lecture theatres and interrupt everyone to say: “Well, I know nothing about what you are saying….but let’s talk about this!”
“I’ve heard of gang races of Whites there by middle easterners. maybe you can fill in on this”
There was a case of a middle eastern gang raping women. They were arrested and put away for a long time. There have also been white people raping women. They are also put in prison. Your point being?
Somehow, neither event has reuslted in the white population of Australia becoming sterile. I know-amazing! We white people in Australia must have magically resilient reproductive organs!
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“Why don’t you want to address the issues raised by this video?”
Wait…you’re complaining I’m ignoring your stuff, after you’ve repeatedly ignored any question I’ve asked you? Tell you what, silly man, I’ll start responding to your crazy videos (Which are about as authoritiative as keyboard cat I’m guessing) when you start answering some questions. How about that?
Let’s go again, shall we?
1. What mental and physical abuse? As a white person, I’ve experienced none of this.
2. Can a jewish person be white? What percentage of a person’s blood line has to come from Europe for them to be white?
3. And you would like to ignore defining white culture. If it’s a culture, not just a colour of the skin, define it.
4. Come on, I ask you to show any other time in history that has met the description of genocide you are putting forward (“Putting people of different colours in the same country is GENOCIDE!”) and you present one part of coloanialism and state “Well, it could have lead to genocide”
So…….no time in history then? Just a “Well, this could have meant the same thing….if I believed in it”.
5. How is anyone stopping you from having as many babies as you want? Have you heard of octomum-no one was stopping her from having 16 children-what’s stopping you?
6. Also, any evidence that a lot of white people have fled Australia? After all, we’ve had a lot of non-white migration-so any evidence at all of white people fleeing Australia?
7. Oh, so you’ll show that in Australia white people experience violence from non-whites at a larger rate than they do from white people. Right? You’ve got evidence for that and you’ve not just made up a bunch of crap?
8. “And pray tell, who is forcing it upon us? Who’s the grand mastermind of this conspiracy? The Jews? The Communists? The shape changing lizard people? The mole men living in the centre of the earth?
9. And am I right in saying the grand plan of this conspiracy, the method they use, can be boiled down to “Stopping you from having a date”-or are they even more powerful and are “Making you attracted to non-white girls”? “
10. How exactly are white people being discriminated against? Please, be specific.
11. Examples of migrants receiving more benefits than white people in Australia. Please be specific.
12. Again, how? How exactly are white people directly threatened by having non white people in their country?
13. why are you commenting on an Australian specific site, on an article written by an Australian, regarding Australia Day?
14. if it exists, define it. If it’s more than just skin colour, what is it? What percentage does a person need to have white ancestry before they are qualified as “white”? Are Jews “white”? Are albino africans “White”? Define it, or admit you are making stuff up.
15. As one poster asked-are the majority of African countries banning non-Africans? Are the majority of Asian countries banning non-Asians?
16. What social control or engineering methods are being used to stop you from having as many white babies as you can?
““Genocide involves the attempt to achieve the disappearance of a group by whatever means. It does not have to be violent, it could be a combination of policies that would lead to a certain group dying out.” Fraser-PM Australia ‘75-83″
So do you deny that the White race is endangered? Not having enough babies to replace themselves. Isn’t that endangerment?
To deny this is to show at the min. a disregard of White people.
In a humane person, there would be efforts to investigate and support corrective again, right?
And again, your definition of genocide is “People of different skin colours living in the same country” When has a case of genocide ever occurred which could be defined as the above, except in your mythical white genocide?
Not my definition. “people of diff colors” is a metaphor you anti-whites use to over simplify the issue of White genocide as a form of sophistry.
Whatever method used to eliminate a race is genocide because “genocide” means killing a race.
“Tell me what think of Sarkozy’s call for White genocide in France?”
Source please. I’m not going to acknowledge something as existing unless you have a source for it, since you have now made up many events. Considering a simple google search for “Sarkozy white genocide” turns up page after page of racist, white supremacist, and anti semitic literature (Sarkozy is a Jew apparently-kept that secret!)-which is funny, considering if he actually called for this, presumably a paper somehwere would say something.
I posted a video with an address by Sarkozy with a clear translation calling for the genetic mixing of indigenous French with the flood of new immigrants. How is that not a genocidal act?
“So, you can;t define white culture, but it totally exists, in a much more real way than…say French culture, Australian culture, or British culture…”
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So an inadequate definition of White culture, justifies White genocide in your mind then?
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This is my problem-your theory of “White” culture pretends that I somehow have more in common with a person living in the middle of Russia who I have never met, who I share no religion, nation, language, history, background or beliefs in, I have more in common with this person than an asian next door neighbour who shares my religion, my language, my culture, my beliefs and my nation? Is that right?
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you be the judge of that. Go to be with the people of your choice. Yet that doesn’t give you the right to flood White countries with non-whites and blend them out of existence.
“Being in the largest White country in the world,the USA, I can say clearly that Whites are discriminated against by law and the violence of non-whites against Whites is disproportionately so.”
So…let me get this straight. We are meant to believe that there is white spread white genocide, discrimination and hunting down of white people because……
YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN AMERICA!
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The Library of Congress in the 1990s found that there were 169 statutes, policies within the fed govt that explicitly discriminated against Whites.
What would be more discriminatory than to be lax on immigration/border control, let mass#s of invaders enter, pay them special benefits, give special rights over White citizens and then give them citizenship while the White pop paid the bill?
Certainly a part of the White genocide program, which is happening to some extent perhaps extensively in your country.
“The following video points out a problem that is being in virtual all White countries although I don’t know of Australia.”
White genocide is a global not a local problem.
The fertility rate in AU seems to be about 1.77 which includes all races. obviously way below replacement. Is the White rate above 1.6? Do you know?
Yet we see that the AU population is today 22 million and projected to be around 8 million by 2030. A growth of over 25%. This grow is not White growth.
So the immigration figures are wrong or the new immigrants have an astounding birth rate. Will Whites be totally dispossessed in 100 years?
This shows the dispossession of Whites in AU.
That most meat in AU seems now to be halal points to a Muslim problem there currently. Aside from the inhumanity of the method of animal slaughter, it pts to a dominant minority not there to assimilate but to conquer as it has throughout the world.
This is just a little evidence for the White genocide program seen in AU.
2. Can a jewish person be white? What percentage of a person’s blood line has to come from Europe for them to be white?
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Anyone can be pro-white. Anyone can be anti-white, which you can gives lesson in.
Acceptance as White depends upon the feelings of the individual ethnic groups. Generally today its by self assessment. Those who claim to be White and have no loyalty to White survival and the White race would be on the borderline being pushed out in an ideal world in my view.
Are you having a problem distinguishing between a White person, a Black person or an Asian person?
That could be an anti-white ploy or a perceptional problem.
Acceptance as White depends upon the feelings of the individual ethnic groups.
Here we go again, feelings as a substitute for evidence.
No such thing as “the white race”. Get over your butt-hurt at not being “special” just because you sunburn easily.
“3. And you would like to ignore defining white culture. If it’s a culture, not just a colour of the skin, define it.”
As I said it takes volumes. 1000s of people have studied culture, all cultures and can’t summarize it as you seem to be demanding.
Are you saying that if you took 10 people from Peking, 10 people from Stockholm and 10 people from London, and sorted them like a deck of cards and then took someone off the street to sort them into 3 piles of similar people, it could not be done? Or that you couldn’t do it? That you would not be able to see the similarities between the people from London and Stockholm as being distinct from those of Peking?
So you can’t see difference? Or is that just an anti-white ploy?
“7. Oh, so you’ll show that in Australia white people experience violence from non-whites at a larger rate than they do from white people. Right? You’ve got evidence for that and you’ve not just made up a bunch of crap?”
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I’m sure there is plenty of evidence to show immigrants are more inclined on average to crime, being contrary to White standards, than the native born. You are just being anti-white in your denial of the social problems brought on my mass#s of invaders.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/african-youth-crime-concern-20120819-24glt.html
“8. “And pray tell, who is forcing it upon us? Who’s the grand mastermind of this conspiracy? The Jews? The Communists? The shape changing lizard people? The mole men living in the centre of the earth?”
That’s disingenuous. Until there is general acknowledgment of White genocide, once free speech is allowed at the level of free inquiry your question is not worhty of consideration.
“How is this not genocide:
White countries are being flooded by non-whites. Whites are told to be TOLERANT. Whites are forced to integrate.
With assimilation we see the extinction of one race only, the White race. Its not funny, not comedy, its white genocide.
No such thing as “the white race”. Is there “George”.
You anti-whites are just so mendacious .
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/asylum-seekers-made-to-feel-at-home-thanks-to-a-10000-welcome-pack/story-fn7x8me2-1226273251317
I’m sure your papers are filled with info to support the White genocide message which is not local but global.
We can never solve the large problems in this world when anti-whites like you are merely roadblocks in preventing people from seeing the big picture.
“12. Again, how? How exactly are white people directly threatened by having non white people in their country? ”
to be made a minority in your own country does harm which all can recognize except an anti-white. you surely recognize it but deny it.
“How is this not genocide:
White countries are being flooded by non-whites. Whites are told to be TOLERANT. Whites are forced to integrate.
With assimilation we see the extinction of one race only, the White race. Its not funny, not comedy, its white genocide.
Would you happen to be a 40 year old virgin from Melbourne who lives with his mum and surfs Asian porn?
You sound just like him.
What’s with the proxy server?
IP Address: 98.202.1.62
ISP: Comcast Cable
Region: Salt Lake City (US)
Savethechildren has attempted to answer some questions. Let’s see how he goes:
“So do you deny that the White race is endangered?”
Yes
” Not having enough babies to replace themselves. ”
And what’s stopping you? What’s stopping you or any other white person from going out and having as many babies as you want? I keep asking and you keep ignoring?
“In a humane person, there would be efforts to investigate and support corrective again, right?”
So…in order to be humane I need to agree with what you say and find evidence to support your argument?
Are you sure you mean “humane”? It sounds like “Cult follower”
“Not my definition. “people of diff colors” is a metaphor you anti-whites use to over simplify the issue of White genocide as a form of sophistry.”
Oh, then please define it.
And so you’re not concerned of people of different colours. Then who are you concerned about, because you seem to be very worried about “Nonwhites”-are we just arguing about terminology here?
“Whatever method used to eliminate a race is genocide because “genocide” means killing a race.”
Again, any case of genocide in history caused by only having different people in the same country?
Totally ignored the question again. Shame on you!
“I posted a video with an address by Sarkozy with a clear translation calling for the genetic mixing of indigenous French with the flood of new immigrants. How is that not a genocidal act?”
Okay, let’s say I accept that this is an accurate translation, an accurate interpretation and not just some racist guy deciding to put some subtitles on a video and hoping for a reaction (Again-no source you have presented that is not already from a racist site…funny that, isn’t it?)….then guess what.
Unless Sarkozy is literally going out and stopping white people from having white babies his words don’t mean shit. France is a democracy, people choose what they want to do?
What is stopping white french people from having white babies with other white french people? Unless you’re saying that white French people are not going to be attracted to white people unless there’s no one else left. But that sounds less like a strong belief, and more a sad personal admission.
“So an inadequate definition of White culture, justifies White genocide in your mind then?”
Yes-in that if something doesn’t exist, I’m not going to be too worried if it ceases to exist. Do you often worry about groups that you can’t actually define as existing ceasing to exist?
In that case, I want you to provide funding for my charity. I want to try and prevent the genocide of the Trygyrth people-ther’es hardly any left, and there’s only a couple all over the world. They share no language, no culture, no nation, no beliefs, no religion, but they totally are a special group, separate from all other groups in a way I cannot describe, or even vaguely hint at. You going to fund that?
“Go to be with the people of your choice.”
I will. The australian people, a people you obviously do not know, and never will understand.
” Yet that doesn’t give you the right to flood White countries with non-whites and blend them out of existence.”
Let me get this straight. I don’t have the right to have a say in the immigration policies of MY OWN COUNTRY….but you, a non Australian who has never been to Australia and knows nothing about it…does have the right?
And now we get into the meat of the matter. It’s not “Migrants entering” that you worry about, it’s “Migrants having babies with white people”-isn’t that a case of personal choice? Are you stating that you want to force everyone to partner up based on skin colour?
Again, what is stopping you or any other white person having as many white babies as you want?
“The Library of Congress in the 1990s found that there were 169 statutes, policies within the fed govt that explicitly discriminated against Whites.”
So we’ve gone from “I’m in America so I know” to “I’m in America, and there’s a Congress that probably knows something”
Source. Be specific.
“What would be more discriminatory than to be lax on immigration/border control, let mass#s of invaders enter, pay them special benefits, give special rights over White citizens and then give them citizenship while the White pop paid the bill?”
So illegal immigrants get paid special benefits now? what benefits do they get that put them above white people? Please be specific!
“Is the White rate above 1.6? Do you know?”
So, do I know the birth ratew of a group you can’t actually define? How would you measure that? I mean, you wouldn’t accept “Born in Country” as being white, that could get some mixed people in-so how do you test the birth rate of a group that you cannot define?
“So the immigration figures are wrong or the new immigrants have an astounding birth rate. ”
Wait, your basis, your understanding of this “white genocide” in Australia, is a belief that all immigrants are outbreeding us? You do know the majority of migrants to Australia come from the UK, Europe and NEw Zealand, right?
“This shows the dispossession of Whites in AU.”
What, so a belief that there’s not going to be a majority of white people….maybe (If the majority of migrants suddenly change from being from UK, Europe and New zealand, which hasn’t changed in a long while)…means we’re all going to lose our country?
And then stop having babies and die, presumably? Because there’s nothing that turns white people sterile like seeing a brown person living next door.
Come on, you said you could show that white people were fleeing Australia because of migrants, and the best you could do is “There’s a lot of people having babies, and migrants coming in (Mostly from UK, New Zealand and Europe)-it’s craxy in your country”You can do better, surely?
“Aside from the inhumanity of the method of animal slaughter, ”
Really? What’s so humane about the way you eat meat? Do you give the cow a back rub before it dies, give it a kiss? Or do you shoot an electric bolt into its head, hope it actually knocks it out (It often does) and then kill it? You’re so kind!
“it pts to a dominant minority not there to assimilate but to conquer as it has throughout the world.”
So….they will rule us, by making us eat thier meat? What actually happens to a non-Muslim when they eat Hallal meat? Do they suddenly die? Become sterile?
Is that why you can’t have white babies? Too much hallal meat?
“This is just a little evidence for the White genocide program seen in AU.”
Funny thing about evidence…it usually involves sources. One crazy person who previously stated he doesn’t know anything about Australia stating a whole bunch of vague, unsupported and random things does not evidence make.
“Anyone can be pro-white. Anyone can be anti-white, which you can gives lesson in.”
Not what I asked. You really are good at not answering questions.
“Acceptance as White depends upon the feelings of the individual ethnic groups. Generally today its by self assessment. ”
Okay, so you are fighting to defend the existance of a group which only exists by calling yourself white, right?
So why are you so worried about mixing people together? Surely if a white person has a child with a non-white person, and that child declares themselves white…then they are white? So in that case, there would be no problem with races mixing together, as long as the end reuslt calls themselves white?
I think I just solved your problem for you!
“Those who claim to be White and have no loyalty to White survival and the White race would be on the borderline being pushed out in an ideal world in my view.”
So, under this much more limited definition of white…white would only be “the posters on stormfront”-so…maybe a couple of thousand people in the whole world? No wonder you’re so worried.
You know, this would be the only group which could be defined as needing to agree with you in order to exist. Normally we call such groups “Political” groups.
“Are you having a problem distinguishing between a White person, a Black person or an Asian person?”
Not generally, but in specific cases I’m sure you could be stumped. Could you tell the difference between, say a child who has a caucasian and Asian parentage, and one who only has caucasian?
“As I said it takes volumes. 1000s of people have studied culture, all cultures and can’t summarize it as you seem to be demanding.”
Come on, some more details. You’re defending a group that you CAN’T DEFINE! How is a white person different from an Albino African, a light skinned Asian, or a Persian? What about a tanned caucasian, and a light skinned hispanic?
“That you would not be able to see the similarities between the people from London and Stockholm as being distinct from those of Peking?”
Generally, you can see a difference, but specifically you can’t. And you need to, if you want to claim you’re defending a group from genocide.
You see, what environmentalists try and save a species of animal, they are very specific about the type of species. There’s no vagaries, no indecision, no “Well, you can kinda see the difference-trust me, it’s ther”
Also, as I repeatedly stated, if the “white” culture is anything more than skin colour, what is it? You’ve just said “Well, Africans and Asians and whites look different!” which is not what I asked. How are they different, apart from skin colour-because I see no difference you’re defending apart from that skin. And skin colour is not a culture!
“I’m sure there is plenty of evidence to show immigrants are more inclined on average to crime,”
I’m sure you’re making up a bunch of crap. If there’s lots of evidence, present it.
“You are just being anti-white in your denial of the social problems brought on my mass#s of invaders.”
So….I ask for evidence, and for that I’m denying the truth? Cool, in that case, I’m going to state that you have killed a child. Challenge me and I’ll say you’re denying your child killing ways brought on upon your desire to kill children. Asking for evidence will just cement your guilt.
Nice article, pity it didn’t actually resolve what I asked. I asked for evidence that white people experience violence from non-whites at a larger rate than they do from white people. You’ve shown an article stating that there is a crime problem amognst the African community in Melbourne, though this is only a small percentage of the crimes state wide. You need to read these articles before you post them.
“Until there is general acknowledgment of White genocide, once free speech is allowed at the level of free inquiry your question is not worhty of consideration.”
Wait, I’m denying you free speech by challenging your beliefs? So free speech is not, for you, the right to say what you want, but is the right to say what you want and have everyone agree with you?
You have said repeatedly that white people are being made to be extinct. Yet when asked repeatedly who is organising this, you refuse to answer. Why?
“to be made a minority in your own country does harm which all can recognize except an anti-white. you surely recognize it but deny it.”
So…no answer again. Apparently this is the emeror’s new clothes again. There is a real harm to having migrants in Australia, but it’s a special harm that only special people can see. Is that right?
“Are you having a problem distinguishing between a White person, a Black person or an Asian person?”
Not generally, but in specific cases I’m sure you could be stumped. Could you tell the difference between, say a child who has a caucasian and Asian parentage, and one who only has caucasian?
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A doctor trained in forensics could or a bioarcheologist could. That’s science.
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“As I said it takes volumes. 1000s of people have studied culture, all cultures and can’t summarize it as you seem to be demanding.”
Come on, some more details. You’re defending a group that you CAN’T DEFINE! How is a white person different from an Albino African, a light skinned Asian, or a Persian? What about a tanned caucasian, and a light skinned hispanic?
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“As I said it takes volumes. 1000s of people have studied culture, all cultures and can’t summarize it as you seem to be demanding.” Still a good answer.
Yes-in that if something doesn’t exist, I’m not going to be too worried if it ceases to exist.
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Evidence that there is someone who is supportive of White genocide.
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In that case, I want you to provide funding for my charity. I want to try and prevent the genocide of the Trygyrth people-ther’es
“Go to be with the people of your choice.”
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Advocate for them. But way oppose the survival of White people?
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I will. The australian people,
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This a people you have defined as progressively more non-white. Don’t get all patriotic about it while you try to chance their day to something new “citizens day.”
That sounds hypocritical to me.
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” Yet that doesn’t give you the right to flood White countries with non-whites and blend them out of existence.”
Let me get this straight. I don’t have the right to have a say in the immigration policies of MY OWN COUNTRY….but you, a non Australian who has never been to Australia and knows nothing about it…does have the right?
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based on your view of citizenship, I have as much right as you to effect immigration policy. White genocide is global not local. I owe a loyalty to all Whites where ever they may be.
“White people” are not a separate species.
All humans are descended from common ancestors. Superficial physical adaptations at a population level evolved to enable humans to cope with diverse environments. These adaptations are modified over time as populations mix and as humans migrate all over the globe.
In no way do these superficialities modulate anything else!
You’ve just said “Well, Africans and Asians and whites look different!” which is not what I asked. How are they different, apart from skin colour-because I see no difference you’re defending apart from that skin. And skin colour is not a culture!
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You really should because acquainted with forsensic science or look at the word of bio-archeologists regarding ancient bones.
Every aspect of different populations vary.
Just compare the culture of central Africa with central Europe and central Asia. U say you can’t see a difference?
Rubbish. Culture has nothing to do with human evolution. Cultures are NOT transmitted by body cells.
Wait, I’m denying you free speech by challenging your beliefs? So free speech is not, for you, the right to say what you want, but is the right to say what you want and have everyone agree with you?
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Any reasonable person can be the pattern of White genocide as outlined.
Scientists tell us that skeptics can’t see patterns that are clearly visible.
Clearly, you have approached this as an inquisitor or prosecutor without any fairness or objectivity.
Scientists tell us that skeptics can’t see patterns that are clearly visible.
Bullshit!
Clearly, you have approached this as an inquisitor or prosecutor without any fairness or objectivity.
That’s how we roll with white supremacists. We gave up being “fair” to racists ooh…about 200 years ago. Then in the 1930s and 40s.
In any case JM is one of our most rational contributors.
So after an attempt to answer some questions, how did our contestant go:
“1. What mental and physical abuse? As a white person, I’ve experienced none of this.”
No attempt to answer.
“2. Can a jewish person be white? What percentage of a person’s blood line has to come from Europe for them to be white?”
Well, I’ll let him pass on this one. Apparently white is defined now as “Believing your white”-which should mean there isn’t a problem with having a mixed background.
“3. And you would like to ignore defining white culture. If it’s a culture, not just a colour of the skin, define it.”
Dodged the question, and then insisted that there’s a difference which is only skin colour between people.
“4. Come on, I ask you to show any other time in history that has met the description of genocide you are putting forward (“Putting people of different colours in the same country is GENOCIDE!”) and you present one part of coloanialism and state “Well, it could have lead to genocide”
No attempt to answer.
“5. How is anyone stopping you from having as many babies as you want? Have you heard of octomum-no one was stopping her from having 16 children-what’s stopping you?”
No attempt to answer.
“6. Also, any evidence that a lot of white people have fled Australia? After all, we’ve had a lot of non-white migration-so any evidence at all of white people fleeing Australia?”
No attempt to answer.
“7. Oh, so you’ll show that in Australia white people experience violence from non-whites at a larger rate than they do from white people. Right? You’ve got evidence for that and you’ve not just made up a bunch of crap?”
Posted an article on a similar, true, but not the same topic.
“8. “And pray tell, who is forcing it upon us? Who’s the grand mastermind of this conspiracy? The Jews? The Communists? The shape changing lizard people? The mole men living in the centre of the earth?”
Completely denied to answer.
“9. And am I right in saying the grand plan of this conspiracy, the method they use, can be boiled down to “Stopping you from having a date”-or are they even more powerful and are “Making you attracted to non-white girls”? “
No attempt to answer.
“10. How exactly are white people being discriminated against? Please, be specific.”
Answered that they were, and he knew because he was in America. No actually specific answer though.
“11. Examples of migrants receiving more benefits than white people in Australia. Please be specific.”
No attempt to answer.
“12. Again, how? How exactly are white people directly threatened by having non white people in their country?”
He insisted there was a threat, but that only he could see it. No real attempt to answer.
“13. why are you commenting on an Australian specific site, on an article written by an Australian, regarding Australia Day?”
No attempt to answer.
“14. As one poster asked-are the majority of African countries banning non-Africans? Are the majority of Asian countries banning non-Asians?”
No attempt to answer.
“16. What social control or engineering methods are being used to stop you from having as many white babies as you can?”
No attempt to answer
A bit of a fail on your part, eh?
“You really should because acquainted with forsensic science or look at the word of bio-archeologists regarding ancient bones.”
Name the scientists who you are basing your racial beliefs on. Go on, name them.
“Any reasonable person can be the pattern of White genocide as outlined.”
Again: “I don’t need evidence because everyone knows it true”
It’s the emperor’s new clothes. If there is genocide, how is it occurring? What exactly is stopping white people from having as many white children as they want?
“Scientists tell us that skeptics can’t see patterns that are clearly visible.”
Scientists say that? Which scientists? What were their names?
Usually scientists like scepticism (Theories being falsifiable, testable,t hat sort of thing), which yours is not.
“Clearly, you have approached this as an inquisitor or prosecutor without any fairness or objectivity.”
Sorry, are we in a court now? I hate to break any delusions of granduer you have, but you are on an anti-racist webpage only, and I am only a humble poster. Did you really expect to bring up untestable, vague theories about things that you can’t define, describe or even indicate about, and expect to be unchallenged?
Listen, I know at stormfront you can say “My ass is my elbow” and everyone will nod in agreement. But here people have critical thinking and inquiring minds. When someone says “White people are dying out” we tend to say “How?” Did you really think anything else was going to happen? Did you really think your argument of “Well, it’s obvious white genocide is happening, it’s obvious to me….therefore I don’t need to provide evidence” would win over anyone? Has it ever won over anyone, even those who are non-biased? Of course, it sounds to me that you think “fair minded” and “unbiased” means “Accepts everything I say without question”….which is an odd definition, but then again your definition of genocide is “White people and non-white people living in the same country together….and then nothing happens” so I guess you just have a faulty dictionary? Is your hovercraft full of eels too?
This, apparently, this asking of questions, is a violation of your free speech. Or maybe it’s just you realising that your bullshit genocide theory which you don’t even believe, to be honest, doesn’t really stand up as a theory, and you feel hurt.
And thank you admin for the compliment. I do try to challenge racists by questioning their theories and beliefs, rather than just calling them stupid. Funny thing is though, the reaction of the racist is the same in both cases-shock, anger, and accusations of eliminating free speech.
“A doctor trained in forensics could or a bioarcheologist could. That’s science.”
Really? Because according to the National Institute of Health, upon mapping the human genome, the type of variation in genes do not support the idea of genetically defined races.
Lieberman and Kirk in the Teaching of Antropology (1997) also reported that if a gene can distinguish races, than there are as many races as there are people reproducing. So now white race, or black race. Either all one race, or everyone is their own race.
Moreover, racial traits overlap between groups with no discrete boundaries, with more genetic variation within supposed races than between them (Smedley & Smedley, 2005).
I await your contrary sources. Please, show me your forensic doctor, or bioarchaeologist who challenges this science. Please please please provide them.
Still waiting on you to tell me how a white person is different from any other person is a way separate from skin colour. Or tell me how white people are unified in anyway apart from skin colour.
“Evidence that there is someone who is supportive of White genocide.”
So….because I deny such a genocide exists, because I deny the existence of the group, I’m supportive of white genocide? Is that right?
Well, on that logic, you support the murder of unicorns, leprechauns, and other mythical groups. Why won’t you apologise to the unicorns you want to kill?
And I repeat, will you pay money into my charity that seeks to preserve the Trygyth people, the people that have no language, no culture, no nation, no beliefs, no religion that are shared, but they totally are a special group, separate from all other groups in a way I cannot describe, or even vaguely hint at. Are you going to fund to preserve this noble and totally not made up group?
“But way oppose the survival of White people?”
How am I opposing you? I’m not stopping you saying what you want, you want to cry about the fictional genocide of an imagined group of people go ahead. In fact, if anything, I’m supporting you by encouraging you to think about what on earth is stopping you or any other white person having as many babies as you want?
Still haven’t answered that by the way.
“This a people you have defined as progressively more non-white. ”
Yes-that’s not a problem for me. And I thought it wasn’t a problem for you-because any person born of a mixed race couple would be considered white if they called themselves white, right?
“Don’t get all patriotic about it while you try to chance their day to something new “citizens day.”
That sounds hypocritical to me.”
No…that’s not hypocritical. Hypocritical would be, say, complaining that people don’t read enough while failing to read this article you are posting on.
And you didn’t read it. You don’t read anything, do you? No one, not a damn person is trying to change the name of Australia Day. This article states it, several other articles state it, and if you even look at the top of this page, you will see that Citizen’s day is a myth.
So, this relates to a previous question you ignored: as you are someone who doesn’t know about Australia, or anything about our culture, traditions or celebrations, why are you posting on an Australian site, on an article about Australia Day which you didn’t even read?
“based on your view of citizenship, I have as much right as you to effect immigration policy.”
How? Because you are white? Sorry, you need to be a citizen to have a say on immigration policy. It’s called a democracy.
” White genocide is global not local”
Yes, it’s totally happening, in a way that can’t be described in anyway. It’s like the emperor’s new clothes of genocide,= right?
But I don’t think you really believe that, to be honest. I think you know that white people are fine, you just hate people who are different, but going around saying “I hate black and brown people, and want them to leave” had people thinking you’re an idiot and ignoring you. So instead you say “I don’t hate anyone, I’m just trying to protect my people from genocide” and hope no one asks “How is this genocide occurring?” or “Why don’t we justh ave more babies?”.
I mean, if it were real, and you actually believed it was a threat, why wouldn’t you be going out and making as many white babies as possible, and encouraging others to do the same? If it were real, why wouldn’t you be able to name the specific social control or engineering methods which are preventing white people form having babies, let alone try and stop them? If it were real, why would you be unable to state how white people are being repressed, let alone challenge that repression?
It’s a fake. You know it’s a fake. I know it’s a fake. Everyone here know’s it a fake. So why are we continuing to play that game? Why are you pretending that you seriously are planning to fight white genocide by telling people “it totally exists, trust me”, and nothing else?
Can you show me how you, as a white person can not go live in Africa, in Asia, in South America, shit any region? Sure there are individual exceptions to the rule, you can only visit North Korea as a tourist, you might have a hard time being able to live there.
As a member of a fairly major international company, headquarters in France for the past 100-150 years or so, I can tell you that as a very white person, working for a company that is run by white people in a white country, I can, and do go pretty much everywhere on this planet and live and work.
Now, is the flow of immigrants traditional from poorer countries to richer ones? Yes, you are clearly retarted so this needed to be pointed out. This explains why there is not major migration from Europe or America to sub-saharan Africa. There is starting to be a growing amount of immigration to China due to the IMPROVING ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2011/09/08-china-immigrants-shen
I know none of this will get through to you, but hey, try not to hurt your brain.
Is there a non-white nation that allows massive invasion of Whites to would threaten to displace the non-white pop and make them minorities in their own lands?
Any that give special benefits and rights to those invaders as we see being done in all White countries.
Why don’t Whites deserve countries exclusively for Whites as we see for Asians, Blacks and others?
How is self preservation worthy of name calling? Why do you want to call Whites who seek survival of their own KKKNAZISWHOWANTTOKILLSIXMILLIONJEWS?
“Is there a non-white nation that allows massive invasion of Whites to would threaten to displace the non-white pop and make them minorities in their own lands?”
What’s this “Our own land” biz? I mean, Australia has never been a whites only country, neither had America, so you’re really fighting a losing battle there.
“Any that give special benefits and rights to those invaders as we see being done in all White countries.”
Examples of migrants receiving more benefits than white people in Australia. Please be specific.
“Why don’t Whites deserve countries exclusively for Whites as we see for Asians, Blacks and others?”
Because “White” as a group doesn’t exist, just as “Black” and “Asian” doesn’t exist. There is no unified African group, or unified Asian group-they are just as divisive as white people (Even more so), and there is as much difference within “racial groups” as there are between “racial groups”.
You look at Asian people and you think: “They look alike, they must be in the same group-and they have entire countries where they are all together-that’s not fair”
But they don’t think of themselves as a grand Asian race, all united. Vietnamese see themselves as different from the Chinese, the Japanese see themselves different from the Koreans, the southern Thai see themselves different to the northern Thai. Africa’s the same (They definitely don’t see themselves as one united Africa-they rarely see themselves as a united country!).
It’s a false comparison.
“How is self preservation worthy of name calling? Why do you want to call Whites who seek survival of their own KKKNAZISWHOWANTTOKILLSIXMILLIONJEWS?”
Again, how is anyone stopping you from having a dozen white babies? Please be specific. Because if no one is trying to stop you from having white babies, then there’s no conspiracy, no mastermind, no white genocide…just one sad little man who can’t get a date.
So you are saying Whites are not threatened by mass #s of non-white invaders? Certainly true of US/Canada and Europe. Don’t know the specifics of Australia. This is a general problem that might not be true on all places.
I need more specific info on AU which I will gain over time.
“Because “White” as a group doesn’t exist…” is a personal opinion that helps you justify the decline, dispossession and genocide of the White race.
The hypocrisy is that mass invasion of non-Asians to Asia is not happening and that a mass invasion of non-Blacks is not happening in Africa.
Both Blacks as a race and Asians as a race are safe from the genocide we see happening to the White race.
Ethnic or sub-racial groups are still of the same race.
Economics has a lot to do with how many children Whites have. We see a wealth transfer in many places were Whites are paying for the birth of non-white children.
There are also social control/engineering methods being used to deserve births and increasing assimilation which are forms of White genocide.
Its not about one person but a system that leads to fewer Whites, more non-whites . and in the end no Whites
“So you are saying Whites are not threatened by mass #s of non-white invaders?”
Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying.
” Certainly true of US/Canada and Europe.”
Again, how? How exactly are white people directly threatened by having non white people in their country?
“Don’t know the specifics of Australia.”
Then why are you commenting on an Australian specific site, on an article written by an Australian, regarding Australia Day?
Do you walk in the middle of lecture theatres and shout: “Well, I know nothing about whatever is going on here, but let’s all listen to what I do know about”?
“I need more specific info on AU which I will gain over time.”
Oh, I’ll be patient. I mean, I’m still waiting on specific information about anything!
““Because “White” as a group doesn’t exist…” is a personal opinion that helps you justify the decline, dispossession and genocide of the White race.”
I repeat, george, if it exists, define it. If it’s more than just skin colour, what is it? What percentage does a person need to have white ancestry before they are qualified as “white”? Are Jews “white”? Are albino africans “White”? Define it, or admit you are making stuff up.
Incidentally, I’ll repeat I also deny the existence of “Black” “African” and “Asian” as a unitary group-these are conglomerates of many groups who do are not united in anyway.
“The hypocrisy is that mass invasion of non-Asians to Asia is not happening and that a mass invasion of non-Blacks is not happening in Africa.”
As one poster asked-are the majority of African countries banning non-Africans? Are the majority of Asian countries banning non-Asians?
“Ethnic or sub-racial groups are still of the same race.”
Says you. You tell a Chinese person they belong to the same group as the Vietnamese, or tell the Japanese they are the same as the Koreans. See how much they agree with you.
But, hey, you’re an expert. You’ve studied races for so long that you know better than people in the racial group about how united they are by culture. Which is how you can define the African group, Asian group or White group, and explain how they are united in a way that is more meaningful than skin colour.
I’ll wait.
“Economics has a lot to do with how many children Whites have. We see a wealth transfer in many places were Whites are paying for the birth of non-white children.”
Don’t be vague. Be specific here. Tell me exactly what is stopping you from finding a woman and popping out as many babies as you can?
“There are also social control/engineering methods being used to deserve births and increasing assimilation which are forms of White genocide.”
Again, be specific. What social control or engineering methods are being used to stop you from having as many white babies as you can?
“Its not about one person but a system that leads to fewer Whites, more non-whites . and in the end no Whites”
And how do you propose to stop it, when you are refusing to go out and have as many white babies as you can?
Here’s a good example of White genocide. Let me know what you think. Do you approve?
Does that answer any of the above questions? Does it involve any white people being:
Exterminated?
Forcibly sterilised?
Any of that? Please, let me know, as I really don’t feel like watching one of your youtube videos, especially if it’s only going to involve “A group of people who aren’t white walking down a street”?
Incidentally, if you have time to search youtube for videos, do you have time to answer some questions?:
1. What mental and physical abuse? As a white person, I’ve experienced none of this.
2. Can a jewish person be white? What percentage of a person’s blood line has to come from Europe for them to be white?
3. And you would like to ignore defining white culture. If it’s a culture, not just a colour of the skin, define it.
4. Come on, I ask you to show any other time in history that has met the description of genocide you are putting forward (“Putting people of different colours in the same country is GENOCIDE!”) and you present one part of coloanialism and state “Well, it could have lead to genocide”
So…….no time in history then? Just a “Well, this could have meant the same thing….if I believed in it”.
5. How is anyone stopping you from having as many babies as you want? Have you heard of octomum-no one was stopping her from having 16 children-what’s stopping you?
6. Also, any evidence that a lot of white people have fled Australia? After all, we’ve had a lot of non-white migration-so any evidence at all of white people fleeing Australia?
7. Oh, so you’ll show that in Australia white people experience violence from non-whites at a larger rate than they do from white people. Right? You’ve got evidence for that and you’ve not just made up a bunch of crap?
8. “And pray tell, who is forcing it upon us? Who’s the grand mastermind of this conspiracy? The Jews? The Communists? The shape changing lizard people? The mole men living in the centre of the earth?
9. And am I right in saying the grand plan of this conspiracy, the method they use, can be boiled down to “Stopping you from having a date”-or are they even more powerful and are “Making you attracted to non-white girls”? “
Maybe you are too provincial. You need to look at the big picture.
Watch this video:
We don’t allow neo-Nazi rubbish on this site. We only keep you here so our readers can laugh at you.
To quote our reader JM
“And am I right in saying the grand plan of this conspiracy, the method they use, can be boiled down to “Stopping you from having a date”-or are they even more powerful and are “Making you attracted to non-white girls”? “
So you solution to White genocide is that one sole White man can solve this problem by having twelve or so children?
Is that really a solution to White genocide?
Just as we thought. Can’t get a date.
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What kind of subhuman am I?
Africa for the Africans,Asia for the Asians,white countries for EVERYBODY!
This is genocide according to international law
Run away back to Scumfront little boy. We don’t like Nazis.
ALL White countries and ONLY White countries are being FLOODED with millions of non-Whites. Oppose this obvious attempt at White genocide and anti-racist will label you a evilnaziwhowannakill6millionjews but they don’t label any other race for protecting their people.
anti-Whites ONLY call White people names to stop them from protecting White people.
anti-Whites don’t stop any other race from protecting their race.
. Oppose this obvious attempt at White genocide and anti-racist will label you a evilnaziwhowannakill6millionjews
Yeah. No doubt you are.
Go back to your puppet-master at Scumfront and tell it to get its hand off it.
We love this guy!
“Or, failing that, any other event in history which has been called genocide but respected authors which can be defined as ‘People of different skin colours living together in the same country” –JM
Mick Dodson, has said that assimilation is genocide.
And he is right; Your demand for mass non-white immigration, integration and assimilation of ALL white countries and ONLY white countries is genocide.
You only deny it is genocide because it happening to white people.
You are American right? You sound just like “George Wells”. Probably the same person.
Go back to where you came from. And don’t quote our Indigenous leaders out of context.
And the Dutch football team rang and want their star player’s name back. Especially since you cannot spell it correctly – a common failing of white supremacists who tend to inhabit the bottom end of the IQ range.
Ryan’s black by the way.
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It was anti-racists who first coined the term and brought attention to the issue of genocide by assimilation.
And now you guys try to pretend like you never heard of it? LOL!
The only question is why do you anti-whites support the genocide of white Australian children today?
Mick Dobson has said assimilation is genocide
The Australian government has acknowledged assimilation is genocide.
And you anti-whites very well know that assimilation is genocide.
So,
Why do you support the genocide of my people, white people?
We are more than happy to see Nazis/racists/white supremacists disappear. We’ll celebrate when that happens.
Care factor zero. Now go back to Scumfront and have a tantrum.
And it’s “Dodson” NOT “Dobson” you redneck! If you are going to pretend to be Australian learn to spell the names of our prominent citizens.
“Maybe you are too provincial. You need to look at the big picture.”
I’m too provincial because I’m presenting an entire country which does not support your beliefs in any way?
Again, if there’s a masterplan to stop white people having children with white people, please tell me what it is. The reason I talk about you specifically is because if there is a factor stopping you rom having as many white children as you want, I’m not aware of it, so please tell me what it is.
But no, you instead say “Well, one person can’t change this no matter how many babies they have…” but silly person., the entire human race is made up of lot’s of individuals. And if there’s nothing stopping you from have as many babies as you like, what’s stopping them? Unless you’re telling me that for some reason this vast conspiracy to stop white babies being born has decide to exempt you. Don’t know why, maybe it’s your birthday or something.
And dear NielG:
“This is genocide according to international law”
Source of the international law which defines genocide not as forced expulsion of a people, extermination or sterilisation of a people, but instead defines genocide as “Groups of people living together in the same country”
Or, failing that, any other event in history which has been called genocide but respected authors which can be defined as ‘People of different skin colours living together in the same country”?
The problem is no where near as bad in Australia as it is in England, Spain and France at this time, but I want to keep it that way, we have already had many muslim attempts to build “schools” in neighbourhoods that are totally against the idea, and the locals are ignored and trampled on, so while we can still feel safe in 2013, they are growing, it’s further growth that I oppose. As for JM the poster, you keep saying race, it’s got NOTHING to do with race, EVERYTHING to do with Islam wanting to be compulsory for EVERY human being on earth, maybe JM is no commie, maybe he is a muslim pretending to be a greenie, he sure is anti-Australian values
I said it to the greenie PC crowd and now I will say it to you as well, it’s not about race, it’s about Islamo-fascism that is the problem. For every white that hates Islam there are black, brown, chinese, hindu who also hate Islam as they have had first hand experience in their respective histories as they have all felt the sting from the INSANE religionists of Islam, the term race doesn’t really apply as there is no scientific basis for race, we must move on, but we can’t until Islam is tamed, Islam is bad because their loyalty is always to the religion, they don’t believe in nations, just total world domination and they come in ALL colours
The nastiest sects of the Christians do the world domination bit – have you heard of dominionists? Fundamentalist millenialists who would drag the world backwards to an imagined past where women have no rights and where science is forbidden.
The Christians have destroyed indigenous cultures and are now being held to account for the sexual abuse of hundreds of thousands of children. The figures in the Western world alone are horrendous, imagine what they must be in the countries which were subjected to aggressive missionary activity like those in Africa and Latin America but where record-keeping was scant.
We do not discriminate against individual Christians or Muslims despite the many manifest failings of all religious belief systems.
The Chinese? WTF? Islam never got more than a peripheral hold in China. Go read some history books Greg. In between snooker games.
Oh goody, silly name is back.
“As for JM the poster, you keep saying race, it’s got NOTHING to do with race, ”
You….you don’t read, do you? Let me point out how stupid your comment was. You have just posted directly in response to a poster calling for a white nation, a solely white nation, and accuse this site of causing white genocide by bringing in non-white people….and you are here to state that “This discussion is not about race”
You’re not a popular guy, are you? You walk into conversations, ignoring what has happened before then talk about whatever you want, while everyone else, leaves? Am I right? I do know one thing, you don’t read a damn thing before you post here.
“EVERYTHING to do with Islam wanting to be compulsory for EVERY human being on earth,”
Who has demanded you become Muslim? Please, tell me every single time where someone has even implied that they’d like to convert you.
” maybe JM is no commie, maybe he is a muslim pretending to be a greenie, he sure is anti-Australian values”
No commie, and I’m an Anglican-just in church today actually (When did you last go?). And how exactly are my beliefs of tolerance, respect and equality “Anti-Australian”? Please define it, because I believe “Punching people who I disagree with” is pretty anti-Australian.
“For every white that hates Islam there are black, brown, chinese, hindu who also hate Islam as they have had first hand experience”
And what’s your first hand experience, fake name? What exactly have you experienced that justifies your hatred of Muslims? Weren’t you the guy who stated that every experience you’ve ever had with Muslims, close up, and actually talking to them, has been positive?
Yet their religion is evil and every follower is evil. Do you not see the contradiction there? you have stated every Muslim you have gotten to know is a nice person, but you also believe that the religion and all its followers are evil. That doesn’t gel, fake name.
Either each and every Muslim you met, who you’ve said are nice, are evil and your view of them is wrong, or they are nice people and your view of a religion and all its followers as evil is false. Which is it?
And hello to Ryan.
“Mick Dodson, has said that assimilation is genocide.”
Good. Oh well, that’s told me. Thankfully no one is calling for assimilation. Diversity is the appeal of multiculturalism.
Now, please tell me times when genocide has been defined to “People of different cultures living together”-not assimilation, which everyone opposes, but just living in the same country together.
Also, tell me how genocide can exists when there is not a damn thing stopping you and all your alteregos from coming out and having as many babies as you want?
see what happens when some people read quadrant bullshit, his not even a qualified historian yet the dumb people believe his propaganda, these dumb arses dont even realise they are being disadvantaged by an unqualified liar, thats why minoritys are gaining more rights because the simple minds are being poisoned by misinformation, the future looks bright if your not racist
“We are more than happy to see Nazis/racists/white supremacists disappear. We’ll celebrate when that happens.” –mindmadeup
Why do you dream of white genocide?
Let’s be honest, nobody buys your “anti-racist” schtick anymore. What you actually meant is that you want my race, white people, to disappear forever and you are happily looking forward to the day, a future where no white children live.
You became upset and called me names, LOL, as I threaten your dream by pointing out what you are doing is genocide.
Out of curiosity, if you succeed in creating a future without whites how will you celebrate it?
Flooding ALL White countries and ONLY white countries with millions of non-whites while demanding integration and assimilation is genocide, there is no other way to put it.
LOL
Out of curiosity, if you succeed in creating a future without whites how will you celebrate it?
Well fuckwit, with my rels from several different ethnic groups who will no longer be the target of creeps like you.
We want Nazis/racists/white supremacists to disappear and we are not too concerned if they beat each other to death or languish forever in prison (which happens frequently with you lot)
Who are you fooling? You are a violent genocidal extremist.
“We want Nazis/racists/white supremacists to disappear” –mindmadeup
But that’s what you call anybody who wants a homeland for white children.
Look, everybody knows “Nazis/racists/white supremacists” is just what you anti-whites call any white and normal person who objects to the genocide you are committing against us.
But that’s what you call anybody who wants a homeland for white children.
Oh yes the white supremacist, paedophile and murderer David Lane who thankfully died in prison. That sort of person. Your sort of person.
Hear Hear
Then you should be pleased, not many nazis left in this world, except for the Islam version, very few white supremacists too. What you far left communists don’t get is that it’s you COMMUNISTS that are the extremists. From what I’ve read here so far I think many above posts prove this, you Commie scum atr a stain on humanity.
How exactly is thie site communist? Please be specific. Show us you know what the word means, and you didn’t just have a meeting stating “Call anyone who helps other communities and supports multiculturalism Communists. No I don’t know what it means either, but apparently calling someone anti-racist is a bad thing!”
Loser
Aw.
You wrote “”””The Christians have destroyed indigenous cultures and are now being held to account for the sexual abuse of hundreds of thousands of children. The figures in the Western world alone are horrendous, imagine what they must be in the countries which were subjected to aggressive missionary activity like those in Africa and Latin America but where record-keeping was scant.””””””
Now tell me something I didn’t already know, I have never denied that christians, especially the Papists have done much evil, they were book burners, just like Hitler, see the connection ?, but can’t you see that there is very little difference between the Inquisitions (there were many and far more that the catholic church will admit too but we know the truth) and the amazingly EVIL dark age practice of Shariah Law, But the inquisition was stopped many years ago, shariah law is expanding.
What if I were to tell you that there are elements of Shari’a law in both our legal codes and the European Civil Code?
FACT
Ryan, how exaclty is the white race going to dissapear? What is stopping you or any other white person from going out and having as many white babies as you want?
If the answer is nothing-guess what? That’s not genocide!
Anti-Whites don’t have to force intermarriage, because the conditions that lead to intermarriage are being forced.
Anti-whites like to say Diversity is “freedom” for non-Whites to enter White living space and “mix in” with whomever they wish.
However, White people are not allowed to refuse this freedom, so it is the anti-whites diversity we are FORCED to accept.
It is white geNOcide.
What country is the white race from?
I’m going to ask again, Ryan, see if you can actually answer the question this time:
What is stopping you or any other white person from going out and having as many white babies as you want? Please be specific.
“Anti-Whites don’t have to force intermarriage, because the conditions that lead to intermarriage are being forced.”
How exactly are they being forced? It sounds like more and more you’re complaining that: “White people can choose to marry whoever they want, regardless of race or culture, instead of being stuck with me-and that’s terrible!”
“However, White people are not allowed to refuse this freedom,”
Sure you are! You want to go into a tiny town with no non-whites then go ahead! Or if you want to block yourself off from all non-whites, refuse to do business with them, and refuse to talk to them, you are free to do so.
It will make your life harder, true, but if you choose to judge people based on their skin colour, and refuse to accept a large proportion of the world based on this, then life is going to get hard.
“We want Nazis/racists/white supremacists to disappear and we are not too concerned if they beat each other to death or languish forever in prison (which happens frequently with you lot)” +1
Why don’t bigots get irony? I still don’t get that.. We really have to get them together for some scientific study. Imagine the results.. “Well you are missing 37% of your pre-frontal cortex, and you miserably failed the sarcasm and irony identification tests.”
It’s also pretty racist that they think all white people are Nazis/racists/white supreme pizzas. lol.
The best bigot wall sticker tripe I saw recently- “Anti-racist=Anti-white”. I thought for a second before my brain exploded. According to the laws of double negative, that should effectively say “Racist=White”, which I tried to explain to them, but they didn’t get it 😦
JM you said “”””””How exactly is thie site communist? Please be specific. Show us you know what the word means, and you didn’t just have a meeting stating “Call anyone who helps other communities and supports multiculturalism Communists. No I don’t know what it means either, but apparently calling someone anti-racist is a bad thing!””””””””” Ok, for an explanation of communist ideology there was some tool called karl Marx (Groucho’s grandad for all I know) and read up on the atrocities of Mao, Stalin, Caucescu, Guevara, Castro, Pol Pot etc
If you are upset by me thinking you are all commies here, how is that different to you guys calling EVERYONE else nazis ?, see the conundrum ?, If you want a private word with me you obviously already know my e-mail.
So now JM has called your bluff you have shown us that the emperor is in fact naked.
You know nothing about Communism or Stalin, you still seem to think that Cold War-era Communism exists and you hurriedly write down the names of a few Communist leaders and figures (Guavara was never a “leader” in the sense Castro was)
Fact is Communism was a spent force by 1989. The Soviet economy and the will to keep it going was drained by the abortive invasion of Afghanistan and the edifice was crumbling. The closest equivalent to Stalin you mention was Pol Pot: Ceacescu was a cheap crook, Marx wrrote the philosophical underpinnings for Communism but would have been appalled by its modern manifestations, Mao committed atrocities but held the loyalty of the people because he did what no emperor or national leader had ever done before – he kept the Chinese fed during times of famine and he staved off the invading Japanese.
We see a Nazi, we call them on it. All those white supremacists you saw posting are from Scumfront. They don’t last long. 😀
JM again
“”””””””””It’s called rephrasing to show the absurdity of the comment. What you actually said was:
“But if anyone comes up to me and calls my ancestors evil or genocidal fruitcakes I will certainly break a nose or even worse, seriously, if you do, then you have only yourself to blame. ”
Please tell me where I’ve misstepped in my paraphrasing.
Unless you’re actually telling us you don’t worry about dark periods of Australia’s history-you’re just annoyed when a person does a deep research into your own family history, then reports every scandal directly to you, when they’ve ignored all the good points of your family history.””””””” Because you won’t find any crimes against the aborigines from any ancestor of mine, and because my ancestors are not evil I would get angry if someone calls the evil or genocidal because in my families case it would be a fabricated lie. One ancestor 160 years ago did commit some crimes and he paid dearly for it and he is long gone and his only crimes were in England and he was Irish, but no killing of aborigines there so go blame someone else’s ancestors and only if you have proof otherwise it’s just more JM hot air. \
P.S. they fought AGAINST nazi germany and were law abiding in civilian life.
Once again you miss the point JM when you wrote this .>>>>>>
“””””So your niece is not going to experience FGM. Virtually no Australians will. And while I’m sure you’re searching hard I’m also sure you won’t find any case of FGM being forced on someone from outside a culture where FGM is prevalent-it’s not going to effect you at all.”””””””””””
Why does it have to affect me directly ?, IT OFFENDS ME THAT ANY WOMAN EVEN IN DEEPEST DARKEST SAUDI ARABIA HAS TO BE SUBJECT TO THE EVIL SHARIAH LAW, it should be offensive enough to anger even an apologist like you into condemning Shariah, geezus christ man do you even have a conscience or are you simply blind ?…. hundreds of millions of people are subject to this dark age , barbaric abomination around the world and all you care about is, as long as its not in your backyard you don’t care if people are still being stoned to death in dozens od countries. You must be an Australian of some sort because you are a typical “I’m all right cobber so its all ok”. have a look at your own beliefs dude.
FGM is a misogynist practice which comes out of primitive superstition. It is NOT sanctioned by the Quran which is the ultimate authority for Muslims. It originates in Africa and it is practised by a small number of Christians and animists as well.
It is not part of any version of Shari’a we have seen.
It is neither exclusive to Islam nor is it widely practised in Islam.
FGM is illegal in Australia. We are principally concerned with discrimination and intolerance in Australia. We trust that law enforcement and the medical profession will deal with any cases of FGM in Australia.
Do something about your manifest ignorance for your own sake. You look more and more like an idiot each time your rants come through here.
I commend JM for his patience in dealing with you. He is a valued and respected commentator here. So do not insult him or your posts will no longer appear.
JM Just noticed you sent me some stuff that is written on wikipeadia about all these huge massacres but where are the historical sources for proof, I have read history books that point out that some of these stories are lies, so no point in attacking me about it, go read Keith Windshuttle and write your complaints to him.
You sent this tidbit for instance and I would like to see proof of this event >>>>>>> “1816 – Governer MacQuarie sends his troops to force Aboriginal women and children off cliffs to their death, for the crime of encroaching on white settler farms.”””” I don’t know about this occasion so I will need something more than Wiki, original sources like newspaper eports or something. I am not saying there weren’t killings, but Windshuttle seems to have debunked much of it, maybe you can’t find his books now I don’t know, but he did say that the lefties that run the universities always try to censor his books. Seriously, ask yourself this, why would Lachlan Maquarie have wanted women and babies killed ?, if you can prove it the he deserves to be convicted and a letter written to the Queen to have his name in disgrace, but you must show proof, cos it’s the first I ever heard of this event, for gods sake the location was not even named, how awful is that for proof, it’s like saying I saw a guy commit a theft, it happened somewhere in NSW and he was ten feet tall.
Windschuttle is not a credible source except among the tired old Tories at Quadrant.
I think it is time you picked up your pool cue and left.
Here is the “source” for this 1816 event >>>>>>
“^ 6.Kohen, J (1993). The Darug and their Neighbours: The Traditional Aboriginal Owners of the Sydney Region.””
Please notice the date this “source was written 1993, gee isn’t that like 180 years ago or so ?. has this Cohen guy got the source where he got this from ?, or do I have to buy his book to find out. Or did he “remember” the story from oral legend ?
Hmm, been listening to talk of this idea for a while now.
I am none to sure that changing the name “Australia Day” is as much about multi cultural issues as it is about offending the Aboriginal peoples of Australia.
I have read quite often that the term “Australia Day” is offensive to many Aboriginal people and, ironically I note that the suggestion “Invasion Day” comes up a bit. Considering the make up of the first fleet, I would respectfully suggest that invasion day would ultimately be offensive (not only to many white people) but to Aboriginal people as well. Considering that invasion was kicked of by about 1000 men, women and children, the vast majority of whom were in manacles and chains.
I am sure most realise that initially, Australia was considered (well not Australia per se but the colony of NSW) a dumping ground to clear out English hulks (floating prisons) and to reduce the lower class population. Not much of an invasion force really.
So, considering all of that, it seemed apt to suggest one change that might work would be to call the 26th of January “Small White Penal Day”…..
Think about it…
I am a smarmy, smug cunt hiding my far right identity while pretending to be concerned about class
You do realise my entire assumed identity is a warped post modern myth because racism and bigotry are anti-working class
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The Australia Day Poem
I loathe a sunburnt country, a land of moaning pains.
Of facile politicians, and sportsman without brains.
I mourn her natural treasures, despoiled beyond belief.
Try walking through a rainforest, or diving off the Reef.
I scorn her ceremonies, like White Australia Day
Why humiliate the very folk whose lands you took away?
But what I really hate the most is ockers without mirth
Saying welcome to Australia best bloody place on earth
+1
This year is the first time I celebrated Australia Day. Not out of some misplaced sense of nationalistic pride, but because I have some Chinese friends who have never been to an Aussie barbecue before. This was a major oversight and something had to be done.
I don’t like to let a public holiday go to waste, though I wish it were on a day that didn’t have such historical baggage