95 thoughts on “Rethink Refugees

  1. These facts are all well and good. Unfortunately though, when it comes to dealing with xenophobes, one also tends to be dealing with people who are incapable of critical thinking or putting facts such as these into their true perspective.

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  3. Metaphorically speaking, you can lead a horse to water but the xenophobic nag would rather die of thirst than drink.

    It is all tied up with their self-image. They don’t care if they are wrong, and they don’t want to know. Facts scare them, because it means they have to question other assumptions they make.

    You get a similar phenomenon with creationists. If Genesis is wrong (which it is) then it throws the whole Scriptural canon into doubt.

  4. Bigots will ignore facts. They aren’t interested in facts. They want nothing to interfere with their idea of the world i.e. ‘I am a victim because these people are stealing what I should be getting’. When questioned they fire their ‘facts’ at you ‘a friend of a friend said’ & ‘everybody knows’ & ‘my cousin up north knows about this’ & ‘ next door to my grandma’s aunty’….etc..

    In my experience the only thing that will derail them is to tell them a story they can agree with; relate to as a victim; get emotionally involved with and then, at the end change the protagonist to an asylum seeker. You don’t have to make the story up, in fact it is better to use a real one just tell it so that the bigot makes assumptions and, at the last second, funnel that empathy to where it should be going.

    Maybe if they’ve been there once, it might be easier to go there again…

    • I knew a guy in high school who was notoriously racist. In the year after school his father’s life was saved by an Indian heart surgeon so he changed his views a bit. He was still a cultural assimilationist but he no longer went as far as ‘fuck off, we’re full’. Guess it must take a personal experience sometimes to get it.

  5. Fact 4.
    Is this the only assistance refugees get? The same allowances as everyone else?
    Or do they *also* get other assistance we don’t get?

    Fact 5.
    Clever.
    A *known* terrorist wouldn’t have their ‘refugee’ status approved.

    Fact 6:
    Australia takes 3 times the number as America, comparative to our population sizes.

    USA: 1 refugee per 8118 citizens
    Australia: 1 refugee per 2673 citizens

    Bitch at America.

    Then Japan: 30 refugees

    30.

    http://www.canadaupdates.com/content/japan-must-welcome-more-immigrants-refugees-experts-15902.html

    Considering Australia has nothing but ocean to the east, south and west, and no land borders at all, we should get this many refugees: ZERO

    • @Shockadelic:
      You: “Or do they *also* get other assistance we don’t get?”
      – Equal treatment does not mean EQUALITY. Do you complain that YOU yourself can’t ever get ‘Single mother allowance’?

      You: “A *known* terrorist wouldn’t have their ‘refugee’ status approved.”
      – Irrelevant and nonsensical. That’s like saying ‘Australian citizens have not the potential to commit crimes or be terrorists themselves’. That ‘ZERO’ statistic just points out that you xenophobes are wasting your time looking for terrorists in refugees who have arrived by boat. You’d probably be better looking for them at the local pub. The places at which to ‘find a terrorist’ is impossible to predict.

      You: ‘Bitch at America.’
      – What are you a kid in a playground? Complaining that ‘he didn’t do it, why do I have to? waa waah’. We’re a nation that prides ourselves on being a ‘great nation’ of human dignity, human rights, democracy etc etc.
      Australia is sometimes the closest safe country as opposed to U.S.
      And again this is an Australian website, we’re bitching at ourselves.

      You: “Considering Australia has nothing but ocean to the east, south and west, and no land borders at all, we should get this many refugees: ZERO”
      – Like refugees only travel by foot. Completely irrelevant.

      • they get three square meals a day, free medical, free telephones, free internet, a roof over their head, don’t pay any bills at all. We have people in our own cities who have nothing and asylum seekers get treated better than them open your eye’s Ann and look at the bigger picture

      • In reading some of the comments like Reece’s I was wondering if there is /or how jealousy/envy relate to bigotry & hate.

        May be someone with knowledge/expertise in Psychology could comment & enlighten us 🙂

    • Shockadelic: The known terrorist would have no REASON to leave the area in which he lives. He is the ones who wields the power and has the money and resources to live comfortably. It is those that he oppresses and victimises that flees to Australia…I.e. the innocent.

  6. Shockadelic, they’re not going to be known. They’re going to hide it (if they were a terrorist) til they got into the country.

  7. @Shockadelic

    There are circumstances where they will get other benefits. Like free English lessons. Are you telling us that the refugee single mother is stealing English lessons from the non-refugee single mother?

  8. Shocky,

    Intrinsically, you cannot deal with people on an individual basis. You cannot see one from a mass. Because you can only deal with the world in massive generalisations you will not make friends or understand or appreciate people who fall outside the barriers that exist solely in your own mind.

    Unlike just about everyone else on this site, bar the completely retarded Scott, you appear incapable of judging people on their own merits but rather seem hellbent on classifying people in such broad terms of reference as to become completely absurd.

    I for example think you are the biggest fucking idiot I have come across in a long time – made more dangerous by the fact that you base your information on a pseudo-science that stands in isolation to the rest of the scientific community. You are the holocaust denier – you are the intelligent designist -you are the climate change sceptic – you are the person with enough skills to that you skew reality to suit your own fucked-up perception of the world which is purely based on fear, fear and more fucking fear…

    …and here’s the fucking clincher – If I were like you, then I’d basically be saying that I can’t stand all gays because they are right-wing, facist pseudo-scientific wankers based purely on my experiences with you… but I’m not you, and I can distiguish between you the individual, and gays in general, some of whom are dear friends and some of whom I cannot stand…

    …and that is principally it… I can see beyond the fear, rhetoric and basic stupidity that you propound and see people as their own individuals who can respond to or ignore their cultural influences and contribute or be destructive towards the society that they are in – whether they be black, white, pink, brown, purple, green – have three legs, one eye, four toes – whether they are attracted to their own gender – whether they believe in Allah, Yahweh, God, Zoroaster, Buddha, Shiva, Darwin – whether they were born here or moved here yesterday – it doesn’t matter…

    So seriously stop being an antagonistic toss-bag and stop hiding behind whatever stupid figures you attempt to manipulate to hide behind. The simple fact is this: You would be imprisoned, tortured and/or executed in this country if liberal minded non-gays did not make a stand on your behalf to stop this from happening… Not you – you did not take part in this – you reap the rewards of other peoples sacrifices.

    So stop whining about how people from countries with less liberal cultural developments are trying to export their ideas here – fight that – do the opposite – export our liberalism their so that people like you who are there; who through no choice of their own are attracted to members of their own gender, do not get imprisoned, tortured or executed there.

    Basically because of fate – you are born into a country that has allowed you to survive until today – and it’s people like me and the liberal-minded of my parent’s generation that have championed your right to be you. Had you been born in a different era or in the current era in a different country then you’d be fucked… Therefore, you either support people who continue to fight the battle against mindless generalising (which you are not doing, with your constant harrassment) or you fight against it, in which case your dreams will come true and society once again becomes fearful of the unknown and conservative and you, yourself, become a pariah again, to be shunned, loathed and feared as an abomination.

    Good luck Shockaholic – the society you want and have been fighting for all these posts will definitely NOT want the likes of you…

    • It’s a bit of a circle with Shonkyderelict, and it’s why I choose not to argue with him anymore.

      His opposition to non-whites being in Australia comes from an opposition to those not attached to the larger chunks of history and heritage being in any country. If you’re not a direct descendant of those that came here from the Motherland 200 years ago, you don’t really have a place here. While Shonky makes this point, he argues that he doesn’t see other races or cultures as inferior, causing our claims of him being a white supremacist and a racist void.

      But ironically, he spends a fair chunk of his time illustrating how white people have made the most technological advances for the betterment of the human race, and how specific races and cultural communities have largely been to blame for crime.

      You’re not going to win him over, so don’t bother. It’s the same with Scott. He will claim to not have any issue with non-whites, and that may be the reality. But the thing that irks them both is that they both strongly believe that if you’re not white, you’re not Australian and you don’t deserve to be here. And if you aren’t white, but you were born here, then it’s a mistake that has dribbled down from a mistake of letting non-whites into Australia 200+ years ago.

      Both will play the ‘I’m not a racist/supremacist, I just think Australia belongs to the descendants of British Empire’ card, while arguing that other countries have policies supporting that very notion. Both will also allude to examples of non-white crime and make comparisons between the social and technological advancements of whites and that of non-whites.

      Both are fiercely religious, which is a joke on its own.

    • I personally find shock moron much more tiring to deal with, slightly more than Scott.
      I think that is because Shock has no shame at all, so he keeps coming back with lame ass shit even though he gets owned; or he is *THAT* stupid he doesn’t even realise that he got owned. 😦
      why is every shock post is so fucking long? just the sight of it’s length puts me off even before I begin reading the drivel.
      Since apparently he is here to “change people’s opinions,” I simply ignore 🙂

  9. @TAB & M-Dawg – fair call – he is a total timewaster

    I suspect that all he is interesting in is playing devil’s advocate because he gets some perverse thrill out of it. It’s like mental masturbation for him to simply antagonise anyone and everyone he can.

    Rather than sully myself by responding which simply facilitates him getting his jollies off, I will henceforth attempt to treat him with the contempt that he deserves.

  10. M-Dawg! said “I simply ignore”

    If only you did.

    TAB: “It’s a bit of a circle with Shonkyderelict, and it’s why I choose not to argue with him anymore.”

    No, I just type up 299 word bitchfests instead.
    Excuse me, but this is your blog and you’re refusing to interact with one of the few people who is even a challenge to you?
    What does that say about you?
    That you can only handle people who kiss your arse, pat your back and robotically parrot the same slogans as you?
    Pathetic!

    Whether you like it or not “larger chunks of history and heritage” matter in EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. And to every ethnicity.
    Nobody can even live in this world without “large chunks of history” forming a foundation of their present lives.
    We are speaking English here right now, because this language developed through the actions of particular people (not just any old Homo sapiens) who shared a communal life together, in a particular territory.
    The language itself is descended from a long line of older languages and cultures going back thousands of years.
    Yes, larger chunks of history and heritage matter very much indeed.

    “he argues that he doesn’t see other races or cultures as inferior, causing our claims of him being a white supremacist and a racist void”

    They are *different*.
    Acknowledging a chihuahua is different to a dalmatian doesn’t mean you think one is inferior, or hate one of them.
    Nor does opposing them breeding (ouch!) because then there’d be no original types mean you hate the occasional mongrel that does turn up (who could *not claim to be a chihuahua or a dalmatian).

    “But the thing that irks them both is that they both strongly believe that if you’re not white, you’re not Australian [not *ethnically*] and you don’t deserve to be here.”

    Do I, a White man, “deserve” to live in Tibet, just because I’m the same species?
    Can I, a White man, claim to be a Zulu, just because I say I am?

    “then it’s a mistake that has dribbled down from a mistake of letting non-whites into Australia 200+ years ago.”

    You know very well, there were hardly any non-White immigrants during those first 200 years.

    “Both will play the ‘I’m not a racist/supremacist, I just think Australia belongs to the descendants of British Empire’ card”

    In the same way Tibet belongs to the Tibetans.
    And Black Americans who been there for generations have a *right* to live there, because they have a *significant* history there. An African who just got of the plane however is a different matter.
    Why do *you* not seem to have any problem with non-White societies remaining non-White, continuing the same kind of immigration restrictions you condemn the old Australia for?

    The only reason I’m arguing the rights of a White ethnicity is because that’s who, where, what is relevant to this nation.

    If I were a Thai in Thailand, I could present the exact same argument and just substitute the word “Thai” for “White Australia”.

    This is not just about Whites. Its not about melanin.
    It’s about the rights of ALL ethnic groups all over the world, the right to their own genetic differences, cultures, languages, religions, art, territory.

    If we haven’t the right to these things, nobody does.

    “Both are fiercely religious”

    I’ve already clearly stated I’m not Christian.
    I don’t follow any religion at all.
    I just can’t stand atheist brats bitching about thimgs they know nothing about (Law of Christ? Never heard of it!).

    “which is a joke anyway”

    But let’s defend burqas and mosques, which are also a joke.
    Hypocrite.

    • Honey, you would be a challenge if any of your challenges were even remotely intelligent or plausible. What you say is nonsensical opinion and it’s bigoted and prejudiced and not backed up with anything other than your own closed-minded phobias.

      • May be because to read a 3000 word essay for anyone that has a job & a life is quite a challenge in finding time to.

        Also he is intellectually challenged! 🙂

    • Mate,whatever claims you have to a good argument stopped at the abusive language and hypotheticals about being born in different times. Try for wit instead of invective, though likely you will send me a serve and claim it as your right because you are outraged.

  11. Terror AUSTRALIS!!! “Shocky, Intrinsically, you cannot deal with people on an individual basis.”

    Neither can any of you, as you constantly pigeonhole *me* into your own convenient little Dymo-labeled boxes, and refuse to see *me* as an individual.

    “You cannot see one from a mass. Because you can only deal with the world in massive generalisations”

    Oh and you deal with me as an individual?!
    You guys respond to me like I’m a completely different person!

    If I say “the sky is blue”, you claim I said it was purple, or that I “hate” blue, or that I denied the sky exists or some such rubbish.

    Why? Because you’re not responding to ME.
    You’re responding to some imagined bogeyman that only exists in your head.

    I deal with generalisations because it’s suitable to the topic.
    Unless you are discussing the particular actions/circumstances of a specific person, then you must discuss generalities.

    You could not exist in this world if you didn’t use generalisations, like “heat burns”.
    Do you need to touch every single “hot” thing to know it will “burn” you?

    “the barriers that exist solely in your own mind”
    “hellbent on classifying people in such broad terms of reference as to become completely absurd”

    My classifications exist in the dictionary.
    The encyclopedia.
    The Dewey decimal system.

    They’re not figments of my imagination.

    And yes, when I *am* dealing with an individual, then I deal with them as such, however “fuzzy” they may be (I’m pretty “fuzzy” myself).

    I know what “1950s rock” is.
    I also know that Little Richard is not Elvis Presley.
    When I’m discussing “1950s rock” that’s what I’m discussing.
    When I’m discussing “Little Richard”’ then I’m discussing Little Richard, not Elvis.

    “made more dangerous by the fact that you base your information on a pseudo-science that stands in isolation to the rest of the scientific community”

    Yes, I just invented outbreeding depression.
    I just made up linguistics.
    I created the discipline of anthropology all by myself.
    I invented Post-Its.

    “You are the holocaust denier”

    Keh? Quick get the Dymo labeler!

    “intelligent designist”
    “climate change sceptic”

    We wouldn’t want to label people with simplistic generalisations, now would we?

    “you skew reality to suit your own fucked-up perception of the world which is purely based on fear, fear and more fucking fear”

    Unlike antibogan. Fear of bogans, fear of free speech (where will it lead? Won’t someone think of the children?!).
    Fear of Australians growing some balls and standing up for themselves.

    “If I were like you, then I’d basically be saying that I can’t stand all gays because they are right-wing, facist pseudo-scientific wankers based purely on my experiences with you”

    People don’t make generalisations based on one person. That’s the point.
    They are *cumulative* observations.

    “I can distinguish between you the individual, and gays in general”

    When you discuss social issues, you are *not* discussing individual persons, you are discussing general phenomena and ideas.
    You do not, and cannot ever, know *all* gays.
    So can nobody ever discuss “gays”?

    Antibogan will compile a list of comments made by *dozens* of different people on Facebook, and then say “See, there you have it. They’re all the same.”
    But it’s okay when you guys make generalisations.

    “You would be imprisoned, tortured and/or executed in this country”

    If Muslims ever get enough power.

    “if liberal minded non-gays did not make a stand on your behalf to stop this from happening”

    Executed? Who are you kidding?!
    You benefit from other peoples sacrifices too.
    But then turn around and say that history doesn’t matter anymore!

    “export our liberalism”

    No, we have no more right to change their culture, than they do to change ours.

    If gays or anyone else suffers in other cultures, that is not our responsibility, not matter how much we may dislike it.
    *You* are now the fascist imperialist, visions of imposing your beliefs not the whole world.

    “you are born into a country that has allowed you to survive until today – and it’s people like me and the liberal-minded of my parent’s generation that have championed your right to be you.”

    Like hell.
    Nothing would ever have changed unless GAY PEOPLE THEMSELVES hadn’t had enough, took to the streets and said “Fuck You”.

    And pretty soon, White Australians are going to start feeling the same way.

    Sick of hearing how evil White people are.
    How they are to blame for other people’s wrongs.
    How they don’t have a culture worth shit.
    How they are an embarrassing inconvenience in their own land.

    “the society you want and have been fighting for all these posts will definitely NOT want the likes of you”

    Generalisation par excellence!

    The kind of society I want, is a lot like the one you claim to.
    Only I don’t feel the need to shove it down people’s throats like you.

    I’m not a Utopian.
    I’m not in a hurry to make everything “correct”.
    I’m a Realist, not an Idealist.
    Political policies should not be based on what should-be, could-be, would-be.
    They should be based on the realities on what was and is real.
    Even if that hurts someone’s feelings.
    Even if that means everyone doesn’t always get what they want.

    Political decisions can only be based on generalities.
    You can’t have a politics based on 22 million individuals.
    Politics = people (plural).

    Why can’t you practice what you preach and improve society one individual person at a time, instead of imposing utopian laws, policies and cookie-cutter propaganda on every one.

  12. You state that only 1 in 1000 people in Australia is a
    refugee. That means that with an approximate population of 22.5
    million there would only be around 22,500 refugees in Australia. If
    this is the case then how could the Refugee Council of Australia
    state in their own reports that over 11,000 visas were handed out
    to refugees in the years 2008-2009 alone. Does this mean that over
    the rest of the years combined they have only let in a total of
    11,500 refugees or is it your statistics that are made up yet
    again?

    • Unlike you lot, we don’t make up statistics or try and present myths as facts.

      You are actually trying to concatenate two different sets of calculations. Something else the far right likes to do – adding apples and oranges and basically coming up with compost.

      The number of refugees over a given period will vary according to push factors such as war in the countries of origin.

      • Well in that case i guess its your word against that of the Refugee Council of Australia’s word. Their own website figures put your theories in vast contrast to what they say. The figures of their own website at http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au show the following intakes for a 10 year period from 1996/1997 until 2006/2007.
        1996/2007 total refugee intake 11,890
        1997/1998 total refugee intake 12,060
        1998/1999 total refugee intake 11,360
        1999/2000 total refugee intake 9,960
        2000/2001 total refugee intake 13,740
        2001/2002 total refugee intake 12,360
        2002/2003 total refugee intake 12,525
        2003/2004 total refugee intake 13,851
        2004/2005 total refugee intake 13,178
        2005/2006 total refugee intake 14,144
        2006/2007 total refugee intake 13,017
        This makes a total of: 138,085 refugees during this time. This is roughly 115,585 more refugees than you website states live in Australia.
        (If you were confused by the years being put into pairs it is because these reports are for financial years.)

        • 1.1 refugees per 1000 people in Australia…:

          Over 95% of Australian residents are citizens. The other 5% are made up of people on working Visas, temporary residents and refugees.
          The majority of refugees that arrive in Australia apply for Australian citizenship.
          Over 750,000 refugees have resettled in Australia since WWII.
          Refugees and asylum seekers make up less than 5% of Australia’s annual immigration intake.

          An Australian citizen is no longer referred to as a refugee, as they have proven themselves to be Australian citizens in the eyes of the Australian government.

  13. M-Dawg! (“ignoring” me) : “bla bla bla.. what a cunt?”
    M-Dawg! (“ignoring” me again): “FFS!!! Incorrigible twat!”

    The nature of Shockadelic is Incorrigible!

    Josh: “You are actually trying to concatenate two different sets of calculations.”

    It’s a perfectly reasonable question.
    If there are supposedly only 22,500 refugees total, we’re supposed to believe that almost half of them arrived in just a 2-year period?

  14. So Myles Armstrong you would need to provide the population figures for Australia for those years, calculate the proportion of the population for each of those years who were refugees then average the number of refugees per head of population.

    Oh by the way, where do you think TAB got the graphics from? TAB didn’t make them up.

    But go hard son.

    • Actually there is no need for poulation figures. If you look at the diagram at the top of the page stating that there is only 1.1 refugees per 1000 people and then look at my first comment which clearly dispells that myth you would realise that the figures put up by TAB and clearly fabricated. Where do i think TAB got the graphics from? Hmmmm, maybe from an art class at the local primary school.

  15. Ahh i see, so you would rather beleive a webiste run by an activist organisation rather than that of the official Refugee Council of Organisation. But of course you do, it suits your agenda. I suggest that you look into these “figures” that are posted by Amnesty International.

    As we have already discussed figure 2 when calculated states that there are around 22,500 refugees living in Australia. Figure 3 states that in 2010 5,500 refugees arrived in Australia. Figure 6 states that in 2009 there were 8,427 refugees arriving in Australia. Total those figures up and it comes to 13,927.

    22,500-13,927=8,573.

    So in other words before 2009 there were only 8,573 refugees living in Australia? Surely even yourself can see that these figure simply don’t add up. Maybe you should do research into topics on which you are going to make statements about before you make yourself look the fool.

    Amnesty International has an agenda to try and help as many refugees relocate as possible and if making it look like there are fewer refugees in Australia than there actually are can help that cause then i don’t blame them for trying.

    The Refugee Council of Australia however is the authority who actually works day in and day out doing nothing but work with and for refugees in Australia. I know who i will believe, simply because their figure actuall add up and are completely accounted for.

    • Hi Myles,

      Thanks for dropping by. I’m currently awaiting for a response from the Refugee action department at Amnesty International, who will give me references and sources for their statistics.

      I think you may have been lost in definition, however, by referring to refugees who arrived here more than four years ago. Since WWII, nearly 750,000 refugees have been re-settled in Australia. The vast majority of these refugees go on to claim Australian citizenship. Once a person is an Australian citizen they are no longer identified as ‘refugees’, as their home country is Australia.

      Refugee:

      “Any person who owing to a well founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his/her nationality and is unable, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself/herself of the protection of that country.”

      http://www.citizenship.gov.au/applying/how_to_apply/refugee/

      A refugee is a refugee until such time as they are resettled in Australia and have applied for and attained Australian citizenship. There are living survivors of the Vietnam War, and the Nazi persecution of the Jews that have made it to Australia as refugees. Refugees have been arriving here for well over half a century. A person who arrived here in 1951 is (technically) no longer referred to as a refugee if they have attained Australian citizenship.

      Over 95% of Australian residents are Australian citizens.

      Now, to give you an idea of what kind of percentage of the world’s refugees Australia takes in – there are over 20.8 million and we take around 10,000 – 13,000 per year – and these are peak figures. Slightly less than half remain offshore or in detention/processing centres.

      As soon as we receive those references and sources for Amnesty International’s claims that refugees represents 1.1 out of every 1000 people in Australia, we’ll publish them for you. But hopefully this puts things into perspective for you.

      • I’m sorry, how are the statistics bogus?

        Over 95% of Australian residents are citizens. The other 5% are made up of people on working Visas, temporary residents and refugees.
        The majority of refugees that arrive in Australia apply for Australian citizenship.
        Over 750,000 refugees have resettled in Australia since WWII.
        Refugees and asylum seekers make up less than 5% of Australia’s annual immigration intake.

        An Australian citizen is no longer referred to as a refugee, as they have proven themselves to be Australian citizens in the eyes of the Australian government.

        Myles has NOT proven anything, sorry.

  16. Josh: Actually the figures and graphics are from Amnesty International , an internationally acclaimed human rights organisation which deserves to be taken seriously.”

    Do you consider the Immigration Department statistics “serious”?
    http://www.immi.gov.au/settlement/

    During the period 05-Jan-2001 to 04-Jan-2011 (ten years):

    Migration Stream
    Skilled 862,318
    Family 451,124
    Humanitarian 125,731 (8.7%)
    Other 1,581
    Unknown 251

    Even if you presumed (based on past trends) about a quarter of immigrants returned, there’d still be around 94,000 “humanitarian” migrants, just from the last ten years alone.

    How about the Australian Bureau of Statistics?

    The 2006 Census calculated there were 4,416,037 people born outside Australia.

    Taking 8.7% as a reasonable estimate (based on the above Immigration Dept figures):

    8.7% of 4,416,037 = 384,195

    • Ooooh – I’m Shockafuckwit and I desperately want to join into someone else’s discustion because I’m a nit-picking little shit.

      *yawn*

      Oh – and shut-the-fuck-up and let the adults speak you whining little shit.

  17. “let the adults speak” Terror AUSTRALIS: If you can’t argue or debate productivly and can only abuse people and swear at them, i hardly think thats speaking like an adult do you?

    • Myles,
      You might wanna acquaint your self with who/what Shock is about.
      Haven’t seen your name much on this blog so I guess you are new.
      Then you ‘might’ realise why? TA or anyone treat Shock the way they do, brief skimming through your posts suggest you are of shock’s ilk.
      If that is the case just save us all the trouble & say that you are a ‘white supremacist’, then we know not to waste time reading your comments just like with shock’s comments.
      Cheers for dropping by.

      • M-Dawg; A bit quick to judge people aren’t we. I am no white supremacist in any way and take offence that you would put me in the same category as that type of person. All my comments have been simply debating the figures that TAB has put up. If TAB is going to put up figures as he/she has done then surely they should be able to debate them (which he/she has and is following up on figures for me). I think that if you read through my posts you will find no racist rants or comments, you will find no vulgarity or name calling. All you will find are questions and comments that i have made after getting conflicting figures from multiple sources. Posts are put up on blogs like this to encourage debate and thoughts, are they not? Simply because i may not agree with your every thought does not make me a white supremacist or any other lower than rodent life form.

  18. Myles,
    Some of us don’t have all day like blog trolls to spend on blogs but do have an opinion to share, hence My inability to read through every bit of it as much as I’d love to & I do apologise.
    Hence some times decisions need to be made quick & then there is always the tendency that they not be 100%.

    Well I do not think one to be a lower than rodent life form unless they them selves prove it to be so like Shock here has, & it is usually Shock’s practice to jump to defend ones of his ilk & vise versa.

    If you are simply after figures to clarify conflicting information I am sure TAB will sort it out for you & you your self in the mean time probably could look at different sources of information & see why the conflict is etc etc.
    I’ll see how I could help you when I have some spare time on my hands.

    But I simply do not have time for shock, & like you correctly mentioned the blog is for to encourage debate & thought, but if you look at what shock has had to say in the past (u’ll be wasting time reading) you’ll realise he is doing anything but that.
    If you are not a white supremacist racist like shock, kudos to you Myles. good on ya.

  19. Actually Myles, most of us didn’t worry all that much about how many refugees and asylum seekers came here each year until the racists started making a big frenzied issue of it. So you will forgive us if we really do not concern ourselves whether one refugee and asylum seeker is here or hundreds.

    The only impact they might have on me personally is when yet another cheap and excellent Tamil-run Indian & Sri Lankan restaurant opens up nearby. There are a lot of them round where I live and they are all good.

    Similarly, normal people don’t obsess all day on the composition of any component of the Australian population. Most normal people only become concerned at statistics which may impact on them personally like those on road deaths, or the prevalence of serious diseases like cancer.

    So why are you so obsessed with TAB’s figures? Just for fun I glanced at the Department of Immigration figures and saw nothing to obsess about either.

    • And while this is happening, Shonk, Snott and all the little racist maggots continue to swarm over this page spewing their hate speech and white racist mythology.

      Wonder how much Shonk ‘n Snott gave to the flood appeal?

  20. Josh said “So you will forgive us if we really do not concern ourselves whether one refugee and asylum seeker is here or hundreds.”

    Yes, don’t concern yourself with accurate statistics on a page whose entire basis was the quoting of statistics.

    “Similarly, normal people don’t obsess all day on the composition of any component of the Australian population.”

    People who are “normal” don’t consider the past and future of their *own* people irrelevant.

    “Most normal people only become concerned at statistics which may impact on them personally”

    Immigration does impact on us personally.
    What about employment statistics? Housing prices? Crime rates?
    Does immigration not effect these things?

    And even the ones you quote: road deaths and disease prevalence.

    Don’t more immigrants mean *more cars* on the road?
    Possibly driven by people used to driving on the other side, or traveling by donkey or camel?

    What of the possible *introduction* of diseases by foreigners?
    What of the strain on our health care system by a huge influx of Third World people with poor health histories?

    “Just for fun I glanced at the Department of Immigration figures and saw nothing to obsess about either.”

    Because you are a traitor who doesn’t care about the survival of your own people.

    M-Dawg “but if you look at what shock has had to say in the past (u’ll be wasting time reading) you’ll realise he is doing anything but [encouraging debate & thought]”

    Like hell!
    I’m virtually the only person here who even *tries* to debate anything!
    You all just slap each other on the back and congratulate each other on how wonderful you are.

    And you and others have already admitted you don’t even *read* my comments, so how could you even evaluate what I say?

    Myles Armstrong said “I am no white supremacist in any way and take offense that you would put me in the same category as that type of person. Simply because i may not agree with your every thought does not make me a white supremacist or any other lower than rodent life form.”

    But that’s it, Myles.
    They bitch about ‘racists’ unfairly stereotyping people, then do just that themselves.

    Anyone who questions *anything* they say is an evil Nazi.
    Whose comments can then be arrogantly ignored and the presumed Nazi can be abused in any way they wish (even homophobically!)

    “Posts are put up on blogs like this to encourage debate and thoughts, are they not?”

    Wrong.
    There put here so a bunch of self-congratulatory la-de-da know-it-alls can bask in the glow emanating from their backsides.

    TAB “A refugee is a refugee until such time as they are resettled in Australia and have applied for and attained Australian citizenship”

    How convenient of you to redefine what a refugee is to lower the figures.
    So by this logic, an “immigrant is an immigrant until such time as they stop immigrating”.

    Immigrant: noun
    a person who immigrates (verb, present tense).

    So you can stop saying how most of us are “immigrants or the relatives of immigrants”, since as soon as someone steps foot on Australian soil, they have ceased “immigrating”.

    brownlock said “The known terrorist would have no REASON to leave the area in which he lives.”

    Really?
    Not the fact that he would be wanted by the authorities?

    Terror Australia: “What a nit picking little shit he is.”

    And what an “adult” you are, posting the *same useless comment* a dozen times on different pages.
    Get a new routine.

    • TAB “A refugee is a refugee until such time as they are resettled in Australia and have applied for and attained Australian citizenship”

      How convenient of you to redefine what a refugee is to lower the figures.
      So by this logic, an “immigrant is an immigrant until such time as they stop immigrating”.

      Immigrant: noun
      a person who immigrates (verb, present tense).

      So you can stop saying how most of us are “immigrants or the relatives of immigrants”, since as soon as someone steps foot on Australian soil, they have ceased “immigrating”.

      No.

      An immigrant is an immigrant until they are an Australian citizen.
      Population statistics suggest that 1 out of every 4 Australians was born overseas, and 1 out of every 2 Australians has relatives who were born overseas.

      Does this make sense to you?

      If you were born overseas, you are an immigrant until you become an Australian citizen. At this point you are no longer an immigrant, but you were still, obviously, born overseas.

      Fuck you’re a time wasting shit-for-brains.

      • LMAO Tab! Well said!

        Shocky – seriously … my sides are splitting! Just give it up already. See a shrink or something because you’re in a world of hurt.

        I’m not a psychologist (yet) but you have serious issues (if everything you have posted on here is for real).

        All the best,

        Ely

  21. 17th century: The glorious white race explores the world

    19th century: The glorious white race invents industrial society

    21st century: The glorious white race… posts long angry rants on a blog!

  22. Will S said “17th century: The glorious white race explores the world”

    The other glorious races do fuck all.

    “19th century: The glorious white race invents industrial society”

    The other glorious races reap its benefits.

    “21st century: The glorious white race… posts long angry rants on a blog!”

    On the internet they invented, on the computers they invented, in *English*.

    Immediate future: the “glorious white race” wakes up to itself and stops kidding itself that the other “glorious races” can do anything other than:

    1. blame Whitey for everything that sucks about themselves.

    2. continue using all the benefits of our civilisation, while adding nothing much themselves.

    3. continue breeding like rabbits, making any attempt by Whites to correct environmental problems, political instability or economic crises impossible.

    • Nit picking, uneducated-ill informed rants with no logic =/ “debating.”

      drainer [ˈdreɪnə]
      n
      1.A person or thing that for some reason (e.g. for being annoying, a whinger, a loser, or boring, etc.) drains one’s energy and general enjoyment of life.

  23. Shonk is so proud of his white people he mistakenly believes they think like he does. Sorry to disappoint him.

    Shonk is so disappointed and hurt when those “white people” who do not think like he does argue with him. Definitely something old Freud would be interested in here, about toxic fathers and their rebellious sons?

    So Shonk did you ever attempt to mentor young men and have them then laugh in your face about what a fumbling old fart you were?

    Suck it up old man and expect to continue being disappointed. Eventually you’ll get the message.

    I saw this somewhere. So much for the imagined innate “superiority” of the (non-existent) “white race”.

    White people did colonise countries across the world and believed they had been able to because they were better than their subjects. Not so.

    They just had superior weapons.

  24. Maybe sine if these people need ot wattch Immigration Nation on SBS Sunday nights might give them a real background to this country and less xenophobia

    • Oh come now. The stories stay on the same subject for longer than 30 seconds, they don’t have visual prompts to show you what to think, and no emotional music to tell you how to feel.

      You can’t reasonably expect the bogan to watch anything like that.

  25. Will S…non-White races, and non-Western powers, were making slaves of enormous amounts of people, and indulging in a terrible amount of exploitation as well during all that time.
    You’re either blindly unaware of that (that’s not surprising, the powers that promote multi-culturalism ruthlessly suppress all knowledge of what other races and groups have done), or else you intentionally ignore it.

  26. With this issue…of the numbers of refugees endlessly flooding into Australia, and other White/Western nations…the point is that whilst those number enough are bad, it is the hundreds of thousands of “legal” Immigrants that are the greater problem.
    That shouldn’t be forgotten.

    However, let’s get back to the numbers of asylum seekers/refugees coming here.
    Myles has pointed out (with genuine foundation) that they are arriving in numbers far higher than the “anti-bogan” purports.
    The point being as well, that any numbers will be too many.

    Why do you here, and other pro-foreign/anti-White radicals, constantly state the (claimed) numbers that have arrived over a twelve month period, as though that’s it?
    As though that’s all that’s coming and they’ll stay frozen in amber?

    Will they have children?

    Aren’t you an advocate of even more be “welcomed” here in the next year, and year after year after that?

    Aren’t you an advocate of drastic social change and racial replacement in Australia?
    Don’t you deny Australian sovereignty and dismiss the Australian identity?
    Don’t you deny the right of Australians to maintain their own integrity and forward into their own future?

    NO society can survive such cultural fracturing and racial dissolution.

    The leak, becomes a flood.
    Numbers swell, rapidly.

    You on one hand gloat over how much Australia is being made to change racially, yet then trot out contrived numbers so as to make Australians not worry so much about what is becoming an ever more apparent worry.

    There is a LOT of foreigners coming here, and more wanting in. This is a catastrophe for Australia, and we must stop this before it gets even worse.

    You’re fudging with the numbers, or trying to steer off Australians by spitting out phrases like “bigot” or “xenophobe” for caring and worrying for, and defending, their own country, will NOT carry for long!
    What’s happening is happening, and more people have got to wake up to it and speak against it!

    Australians still have the opportunity to get their country and control over their future, back!

  27. Ah I love it. I’m three sheets to the wind fellas, broke up with my (dare I say mixed race) girlfriend today.

    I love humanity, and I will always stick up for the underdog, regardless of race. I’ve dated an Aboriginal girl, Asian girls, one Muslim even! I was best friends in school with a guy that was black from PNG. I think I would be the least racist person on this site, and I mean that, and challenge anyone to say that I’m not.

    I grew up in housing commission playing with Aboriginals, in Uni I used to drink with a group of Aborigines and they said I drank ‘like a black fella’. I say that with pride. It’s uniquely Australian and I love that about my country.

    Yet we’re happy to dilute Aboriginal culture so that it just blends in with the ‘multiculture’. You white people don’t impress me much.

    Yeah, I’ll stick up for Australian culture, for the Aboriginals, and the ‘White Trash’ you so deride. The poor and the disadvantaged. The not-so educated. Go for your life with paying out on them; you’re only hurting the people you should care about the most.

    • The poor and the disadvantaged are not going to be less so if they take up the ugly banner of the racists.

      Poverty and disadvantage are products of free market economies whose main driver is profit. Think, if you are capable, about why Australia needs such a huge amont of detailed corporate law and two government departments (three if you count the Federal Police) whose job is to enforce that law.

      Ask yourself why the Fair Work Commission is still dealing with a backlog of complaints about shonky workplaces dating back to the Howard era. Ask yourself how many companies run by these cowboys collapse every day, leaving employees high and dry and taking the savings of small investors.

      Do the names Bernie Banton and Ark Tribe mean anything to you?

      Ask yourself who are the real creators of disadvantage and toxic corporate culture in this country. Not immigrants, refugees or asylum seekers. Not followers of non-Christian religions.

      • I don’t see your point. Sure the free market leads to some being better off than others. Unfortunately it’s better than the alternative. Also, the most poor today live better than the King of England just a century ago.

        You must remember that a 3 month old baby is racist; it is a human condition. You must also remember that all over the world wars are being raged and people are fighting to be apart from other ethnic groups.

        I hope that your multicultural experiment – never seen before in human history – works.

        The price of failure is a broken, fractured society unrecognisable to the founders of our great country who warned of such things. Australia is great because of its past, we must remember this.

        I fear however that we are following the path of America in rampant multiculturalism. It would be a a shame to follow America (the most multicultural country on earth) into this kind of uncaring individualistic society.

      • Gotta disagree there

        Capitalism has been the world’s largest indicator of removing people from poverty. Open the markets, allow free trade and the oppressed are lifted out of poverty. You’ve only to look at the burgeoning middle classes in China and India and soon to be Vietnam and other Asian nations to see the incredible benefits the free trade of labor and capital allows.

        Aid is no way to end global poverty, remittances and trade are. The development of capital intensive industry always trends towards an increase in living standards and wages. Most of the third world is wholly fucked because the first world refuses to trade with them, setting quotas and tariffs.

  28. You can prove anything you want with statistics. TAB has demonstrated that above. Of course, it helps to be able to draw up your own diagrams.

    • Those diagrams are from Amnesty International.

      Makes a nice change from the racist rubbish peddled by your mates that TAB usually features here.

      • My mates?! Do not assume, Josh. Do not assume.

        Okay, they’re from Amnesty. Perhaps that explains why they are misleading and lack a reference source. No wonder I gave up supporting Amnesty International.

  29. Will S said “Aid is no way to end global poverty”

    For once, one of you is correct.

    So can we stop the “helping them through immigration” crap, along with the aid?
    Because the only way to *really* help is through trade.
    That creates wealth *within* their own society, not feeding parasitically off ours.

    TAB “An immigrant is an immigrant until they are an Australian citizen.”

    So, most Australian residents are also citizens and therefore *not* “immigrants”.
    In that case, you can stop your “most Australians are immigrants or related to one” crap, as you have now defined that as a self-contradictory.

  30. Josh said “Shonk is so proud of his white people he mistakenly believes they think like he does. Sorry to disappoint him.”

    Twist, Twist, Señora.

    When did I ever claim all white people have the same opinions?

    “Definitely something old Freud would be interested in here, about toxic fathers and their rebellious sons?”

    Yawn.
    What would he have to say about White people who look in the mirror and don’t see a White person?

    “Suck it up old man and expect to continue being disappointed. Eventually you’ll get the message.”

    Not *your* message.
    Because it’s not a message.
    It’s a lie, a denial, a distortion, a trick, a fairytale.

    “They just had superior weapons.”

    And *why* did they have superior weapons (i.e. technology)?

    The Chinese had gunpowder.
    Why didn’t they explore and colonise the world?
    They’re not stupid.

    Whites had more than technology.
    They had culturally beneficial *attitudes*.

    Other peoples had ruins of past civilisations just crumbling in the jungles.
    They didn’t know or care who built them.
    Whites wanted to *know*.
    They are insatiable knowledge gatherers.
    That’s why they had “superior weapons”.

    Once contact with Europeans happened, other people gained access to the same technologies
    (Native Americans didn’t ride horses and shoot guns *until* White men gave them the idea).
    Yet failed to win their wars of resistance.
    Why? Intelligence.
    To win a war takes more than weapons.
    It takes strategy, tactics, planning, analysis.

    White men achieved things other people didn’t.
    Even though they are relative latecomers to the Homo gene pool.

    Other peoples have had *even longer* to evolve and still developed *less* advanced societies.
    It may be impossible to pinpoint the exact reason for the apparent “superiority” (a relative judgment, which wouldn’t matter if the groups lived apart)
    but that doesn’t mean you deny it exists to make other people feel better about their “inferiority”.

  31. “You are mind-numbingly ignorant. But if you think I’ll be quashed by your nutbaggery, you’re mistaken”

    Ditto.

    You delight in other cultures, yet fail to see they only exist because they were separate to begin with.
    If you mix them all together, so you can conveniently sample them, they won’t stay separate for long.
    They will eventually blend into: a new monoculture.

    And what of the right of the host country to its *own* cultural reality?
    The right of the French to a “French France”.
    Of Italians to a “Italian Italy”?

    Apparently, in the minds of multicultists, only non-European peoples are entitled to maintain their own cultures in their own territories.
    We must accommodate them, but not vice versa.

    We may be a species, but that’s *not* how we live.

    All sugar gliders look, think and act the same.
    You could mix and match sugar gliders as much as you like, moving them here and there, and it wouldn’t make any difference.
    They’d still all look the same, think the same, act the same.

    The same cannot be said for humans.

    We live in invented realities that are shared with some, but not all, people.
    The people who share these realities (cultures) also share genetic similarities for the same reason: they’re the people we’ve lived with for centuries.

    If you truly love this diversity so much, why do want to mix it all up and make a big mess, so you can superficially “sample” a little of this and that?

    Isn’t this just as much a symptom of White arrogance and chauvinism as past colonisation?
    Treating other people like cans of soup?

    We don’t even share the “same” genetics either, or we’d all look the same.
    Same eyes, same hair, same skin, same build, same height, same everything.
    This diversity will also be lost if you mix everyone together.

    The irony and hypocrisy of multiculturalism is that it will ultimately lead its exact opposite: the disrespectful destruction of that very diversity of genuinely *distinct* ethnicities.

    Replaced by a meaningless mess.
    Yippee!

    • Shonk – seeing as though you rarely offer anything other than your own opinion, I’m going to give you mine.

      We are already pretty multicultural. As mentioned before, 1 out of every 2 Australian citizens has foreign ancestry and 1 out of every 4 were born overseas. Yet EVERY little thing about our culture remains relatively unchanged. Our democracy, way of life, freedoms and liberties and legal system are unchanged. And the majority of migration currently comes out of ‘white’ countries.

      Yet, if white people were the minority, and we were no longer a monarchy but a republic, I believe that respecting and acknowledging this country’s history and ancestry would still be built into the education system and into the mindset of the majority of Australian citizens.

      And paint different races of people as vastly different as much as you like – but it is MY opinion that we aren’t all that different. And I wouldn’t care if I was the only white person in my group of friends. All of my non-white friends love this country and don’t judge on the basis of skin colour or gender.

      None of us sit here and ‘enjoy’ the disappearance of the white person. (What is it – around 12% worldwide today?). But it’s not an issue to us. We don’t feel yay or nay about it. I will raise my kids with a knowledge of Australian history and an understanding of their family ancestry. I will raise my kids to be hard workers who will respect laws and authority. And I will teach my children to accept people for their differences. MAYBE you find these concepts incredibly difficult to register, Shonk, and pessimistically believe that most people don’t want this of their children – especially if they’re non-white. But that’s the long and short of it.

      YOU believe non-whites have no right to be here, I say that it’s the world and it’s there for everyone. You can have a love and respect for your country and your culture at the same time as opening your arms and wanting to embrace anyone from around the world who wants to call Australia home as well. The ONLY exception I have to migration is how well our internal statewide infrastructures can handle population increase, so I support maintaining immigration levels at the level they’re at now. And I DON’T care where they come from, whether it be Italy or England, Afghanistan or Ireland, India or New Zealand.

      When you write, you use words like ‘mess’, and ‘symptom’, ‘disrespectful’ and ‘destruction’. Yet the only people who believe that Australia should be for only white people who look the same, are the ones who cause any kind of social conflict in this country.

      So, to everything you say – a big fat ‘who cares?’. Even if in a few hundred years this country is a desolate wasteland because the non-white people who come here just can’t stop setting fires and looting, and we think back and say we made a mistake, I’m still going to hold your opinions as worthless. There is a LOT more evidence to suggest that cultures can co-exist peacefully in this country than there is to suggest that they can’t.

  32. TAB said “Shonk – seeing as though you rarely offer anything other than your own opinion”

    Who else’s opinion am I going to give?

    “I’m going to give you mine.”

    A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix.

    “We are already pretty multicultural.”

    Some parts of the major cities, yes. But not the nation as a whole.
    Other than restaurants, there’s little that *Australians* have adopted from other cultures.

    Most of the multicultural stuff isn’t “multicultural” at all.
    It is the insular *monoculture* of each group,
    buying, selling and promoting to *themselves*.

    “1 out of every 2 Australian citizens has foreign ancestry and 1 out of every 4 were born overseas.

    You love quoting that “overseas” stuff, but always ignore the fact that most of that is British/European. i.e. all part of one civilisation.

    “Yet EVERY little thing about our culture remains relatively unchanged.”

    And that’s why.
    Our society is European, as are most of those “overseas” people.

    “The majority of migration comes out of ‘white’ countries.”

    See? You admit it yourself!
    And that should be “came” (past tense).

    This is the issue.
    The demographics have changed recently.
    So there’s no point saying “Well immigration in the *past* never caused much trouble….” because we’re not dealing with the same scenario anymore.

    “And paint different races of people as vastly different as much as you like – but it is MY opinion that we aren’t all that different.”

    So what if we’re not.
    The differences do exist and they mean something to people.
    But for these differences to continue existing, there must be some distance between them.

    If you mix them all together, you’ll only have “diversity” in the initial stage.
    After a hundred years or so, the people and their culture(s) will merge together.

    If this were your ultimate aim, and you honestly said so, I could at least understand this.
    But you don’t claim that at all.

    You claim to love the *diversity* of human beings, yet that diversity cannot continue to exist for long if you mix everyone together.

    There doesn’t have to be Berlin Walls all over the globe to maintain some distance between different peoples.
    This has rarely existed historically.
    The borders were always fuzzy and can remain so.

    But deliberately mixing unrelated peoples together, encouraging it, is disrespectful to the genuine differences that exist, and which people want to maintain.

    Even people with a sincere interest in another culture may not want or need huge numbers of those people to migrate into their land.

    If French people suddenly took a liking to all things Tibetan, does that mean hundreds of thousands of Tibetans need to move *into* France in order for any influence/adaptation to occur?

    Does that mean French people are equally as interested in every other culture in the world?
    What if they want Tibetans but *only* Tibetans?
    Why can’t they say “Yes to Tibetans” and “No to everyone else”?

    With non-discriminatory policy, the French people don’t get any choice.
    They can’t say Yes to some and No to others.

    It’s *their* country! Why shouldn’t *they* be the ones who decide, just who and how many?

    When were the French ever asked *which* ethnicities they’d be happy to have live amongst them?
    When has any other Western people been asked?

    “None of us sit here and ‘enjoy’ the disappearance of the white person. We don’t feel yay or nay about it.”

    How can you be *indifferent* to the disappearance of any people, when you claim to love the “diversity” of the human species?
    Don’t you think the same loss will occur with other people too?

    How can you claim to love human diversity, then shrug your shoulders at the thought that one day there will be no Swedes, no Italians, no Poles, no Scots, no Icelanders, no Dutch, when these peoples are *part* of that very diversity you claim to love?

    Can’t you see how absurdly contradictory that is?

    Do you shrug indifferently at the thought of no Aborigines, no Zulus, no Pygmies, no Eskimos, no Tibetans, no Berbers, no Turks, no Kazakhs?

    As long as there’s “humans” of some kind or another, eh?
    Or don’t you even care if our species itself survives?

    “YOU believe non-whites have no right to be here, I say that it’s the world and it’s there for everyone.”

    But there is no “world”, as if we actually inhabit a singular mental, cultural or biological reality.
    No, there are *many* worlds.
    Those worlds are the diversity you claim to love!!

    “Even if in a few hundred years this country is a desolate wasteland because the non-white people who come here just can’t stop setting fires and looting, and we think back and say we made a mistake, I’m still going to hold your opinions as worthless.”

    And you claim to be “logical”!
    Even if a pile of evidence were staring you in the face, it would make no difference!
    How can I possibly take anything *you* say seriously after that?

    “There is a LOT more evidence to suggest that cultures can co-exist peacefully in this country than there is to suggest that they can’t.”

    For now.
    Most of the non-Western immigration has been very recent.
    You’re not going to see much of a problem at first.

    But as you already admit, it wouldn’t make any difference if things did change for the worse.
    You’d still keep trundling along, same old routine.

    And what of the evidence of cultural conflict elsewhere in the world?
    History is littered with the debris of such conflicts.
    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

    How about we learn from other peoples’ mistakes (Fiji, South Africa, Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, Sri Lanka, etc),
    instead of gambling with our own future on a dream that’s already turned into a nightmare many times before?

  33. the statistics is not the problem, the problem is the goverment lets some stay and puts the rest in shelter and feeds them but makes us payy for it, they caan stay but stop making us australians pay for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. Wow so many facts l am over whelmed.
    This is what lies behind the mass migration from non European (read third world) countries:
    “Abolish the White Race – By Any Means Necessary
    The white race is a historically constructed social formation – historically constructed because (like royalty) it is a product of some people’s responses to historical circumstances; a social formation because it is a fact of society corresponding to no classification recognized by natural science.
    The white race cuts across ethnic and class lines. It is not coextensive with that portion of the population of European descent, since many of those classified as “colored” can trace some of their ancestry to Europe, while African, Asian, or American Indian blood flows through the veins of many considered white. Nor does membership in the white race imply wealth, since there are plenty of poor whites, as well as some people of wealth and comfort who are not white.
    The white race consists of those who partake of the privileges of the white skin in this society. Its most wretched members share a status higher, in certain respects, than that of the most exalted persons excluded from it, in return for which they give their support to the system that degrades them.
    The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. Until that task is accomplished, even partial reform will prove elusive, because white influence permeates every issue in U.S. society, whether domestic or foreign”.

  35. No problem with refugees, Like my family which fled as migrants from Italy in 1954. Only problem I have is with Queue Jumpers. Each Queue Jumper which would be tagged as an “Illegal” by the mainstream Murdoch gutter press takes the slot off someone who’s being processed. That IS a Fact you have chosen to Ignore. Along with the fact that “illegal” refugee intake actually increased under Howard.

    Maybe you ought to have a look at all the facts before posting and being a self loathing cracker. It just seems from this website you hate almost all aspects of Australia that makes us unique and to subsume it with a polyglot of all the world’s cultures. If people are willing to risk it all to come here its got to be because of something we already have, not something that they wish to change into a version of what they fled from IE their past homes.

    Not all cultures will enmesh well with what exists in Australia at the moment.
    Maybe some thought needs to be given to this. It’s like grafting plants. some hybrids take well quickly, some slowly, others do not. Is that racism. No. Just reality. And one bad apple does not make the whole bunch. For each racist Aussie there are probably more that are not. Are we to define ourselves by the lowest mean common denominator?

  36. Elysse said “I’m not a psychologist (yet) but you have serious issues (if everything you have posted on here is for real).”

    No don’t give me lazy cop-out.
    What is the “problem”, Doctor?

    plum said “The white race is a historically constructed social formation”

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  37. zulu said “actually the chinese explored much of the world before the europeans.”

    Did they?

    Africa?
    The Americas?
    Australia?
    The Pacific Islands?
    Europe?
    The Middle East?

    Cite references.

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