Australian Sailor Idolises Nazis

Remember this guy?

1. He changed his name on Facebook from Joel Buckley, to Joel Panzerkeil, and then to Joel Panzerfaust. The Panzerkeil was a German tank tactic used during WW2, and the Panzerfaust was a German anti-tank weapon.

2. He is pictured in full Australian Defence Force uniform in one profile picture, and posing shirtless in front of Nazi insignia in another.

3. He represented the Australian Protectionist Party and ‘kicked lefty butt’ in the progressive Sydney suburb of Newtown while on an anti-immigration, anti-Islam rally.

Anyone have any issue with him representing our country overseas?

179 thoughts on “Australian Sailor Idolises Nazis

  1. Yes I do and have written the Minister of Defence my next stop is Head of Defence Angus Houston this man is a disgrace to the uniform and needs to be stopped.

  2. This is why I love Facebook! These lowlifes are taking themselves down by putting their names to their stupidity and bigotry. They can erase and delete all they want, but the internet never forgets…

    • They are a bit weird, aren’t they?
      If you asked ‘Scott’ may be he will tell you that is how pure Australian nipples are suppose to look like
      LOL

  3. Technically he’s not a soldier. He’s an Able Se(a)men lolz

    Additionally, I want him fired.

    Yours sincerely,

    T. Forrest

    PS: Wupert also agrees but he’s too busy demonising the Greenz right now to do anything

  4. A huge irony seems to have escaped this tool: in 1939-45, tens of thousands of Australian defence personnel died in Europe, North Africa, Middle East and the oceans of the world, fighting people who shared his ideology. Or maybe he regards himself as an infiltrator?

    • Either way he is still serving the fucking country and is willing to put his life on the line for it, otherwise they wouldn’t have given him the uniform. There are people in the Army who are Muslim, why not have a go at them for their beliefs. Maybe if someone sees him gassing a Jew in some alley then he should be fired, but right now who gives two fucks

      • There are plenty of good men and women serving our country. I for one do NOT want this guy involved in peacekeeping or war efforts. He’s a hate-filled piece of shit.

      • “Either way he is still serving the fucking country…” Debatable. I suspect the crew of HMAS Sydney (II) might see it differently. But we can’t check with them because a ship serving the Nazi regime killed all of them in 1941.

        “There are people in the Army who are Muslim, why not have a go at them for their beliefs. ” Well lets see, how about the fact that we are not and have never been at war with Islam? (Unless you count the few thousand dropouts comprising Al Qaeda and the Taliban.) And as has been mentioned previously, Islam has actually contributed a lot of good stuff to the world, whereas the Nazis gave us umm…autobahns.

  5. As far as KISS goes. Ace Frehley, who is Welsh/German, designed the band logo.
    He used to dress up in Nazi uniform to irritate the (how can I put it?), more “business” minded/Jewish members of the group, Gene and Paul (and much to their consternation), who took to calling him ‘Race’ Frehley!

    • Scott says:
      September 30, 2010 at 5:08 am as far as we can see we see no evidence can you in your claims?

      “As far as KISS goes. Ace Frehley, who is Welsh/German, designed the band logo.
      He used to dress up in Nazi uniform to irritate the (how can I put it?)”

      And that how racists and bigot operate, make false claims without evidence.

      So Scott do you think we can see evidence to your claims thanks?

  6. Still Jew-bashing Scott? Get over it you idiot. You’re a dickhead.

    Ultimately I think this is a free country but it’s deeply worrying to have a Nazi sympathiser in the armed forces, someone who has also run for public office on behalf of a far-right wing party and who’s stated he ‘he kicked lefty butt’ at an anti-Muslim/anti-immigration demonstration in Sydney.

    Racists are troubling enough as it is but to have someone in some position of authority is scary and concerning. Ad Matthias says, this guy’s a complete disgrace since Australia soldiers died fighting the Nazis in WWII –

    https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/australian-soldier-idolises-nazis/#comment-3550

  7. Jew-bashing? It’s no longer necessary. Their evils and manipulations are well known, to all.
    They’re not hated by ALL peoples, in all corners of the world, for nothing!
    It’s never not relevant to continue to point out their deceit, treachery, and connivance though.

    Gee, “free country”? And just how-in-the-heck do you think this country is free? It’s on account of White/British/Australians fighting to keep themselves and their country free! It’s nothing to do with the hordes who now waltz on in to take advantage of that freedom!
    Worse is that some would aggressively take that freedom away.

    Foolish, spite-filled liberals such as yourself actually have no idea…or worse, you do…what you bring down upon us.

    Too many people now, as well, confuse freedom with the vulgar taking of liberties.

    “Racists”? Cripes, from the likes of yourself such a phrase has lost all possible currency.
    Here’s a refresher…it’s not ‘racist’ to protect your own people and country.
    All clear thinking, aware human beings are true racists/race-ists as well…they realise that there ARE different races, with marked differences between them!

    None of you, it’s really clear, have ANY idea of what Australian and Allied forces are confronting in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere.
    It’s horror, savagery, elitism and hatred beyond compare.
    You comfortably ignore all of it…however, you also invite such horrors upon the rest of us.

    It’s incredible what does and doesn’t rate as “Nazism” in the leftists mind. Winston Churchill did say though, that “in the future fascists will be called anti-fascists”.

    As I myself, and many others now, have said as well…and keeping in mind that I grew up playing war and seeing the Germans and Nazis as the “baddies”, and that I still solemnly honour every Australian who served and died for this country and the Empire…it’s now apparent that we shouldn’t have fought Nazi Germany.
    For they were confronting those who are, and that which is, our enemy!

    • “All clear thinking, aware human beings are true racists/race-ists as well…they realise that there ARE different races, with marked differences between them!”

      Would you like to explain why there are Chinese people faster and stronger than you, Aboriginal people smarter than you, Indian people more successful than you, Arab people more educated than you and Indonesian people with better English skills than you?

    • Scott you dickhead has it escaped you that the Nazis attacked and wanted to invade Britain, the nation you believe to be superior and the founder of your beloved Australia? Are you saying as Australian you think this country shouldn’t have joined the British in trying to stop Hitler? Are you also forgetting that Japan, who had plans for Australia, had a pact with the Nazis and that fighting the Japanese meant we were at war with a Nazi ally? You think Hitler gave a shit about this convict colony? You’re a joke !

      You’re so full of shit. Your Nazi-style racism beyond the pale. Reflect on the antibogan’s questions for you: how do you account for the fact there’s plenty of Asians, Jews, Mediterraneans and blacks that are physically stronger than you, are smarter than you and can find sexual partners better than you?

      If you think your race is superior, then you’re a shit example, a reject that Hitler would be care less for.

      Fool !

    • Got a source for that Winston Churchill quote? It has been around for a while, but appears to be a fabrication. Churchill, for all his faults (and he had plenty) was no fascist.

  8. technically he’s not a solidier he’s an able seaman in the royal australian navy, juding by that first picture.

    a disgrace to the senior service.

    • You’re right t.rex,
      The rank he is wearing in the photo is of an able seaman, although in real life he is just ‘unable semen’…

  9. You’d be extremely hard pressed to find a full-blooded Australian Aboriginal that is smarter than me, or even the most mediocre White/Australian, ‘anti-bogan’.
    Likewise, very few Chinese are faster or stronger than most Whites.
    Chinese are very competitive though, seek power, on their terms. Get to keep their own country as well, which the likes of you seek to deny Whites in their own.
    Indian people more successful? Not surprising. They’re very ruthless, come from a dog-eat-dog culture in which seeing dead bodies in front of you in the street means nothing.
    As with the Chinese, there are around a billion Indians, all vying for success.
    As Australia and the West is sold out to foreign interests and the door to our country is held open for all and sundry to walk in it’s not surprising at all that there successful Indians.
    What is your real criteria for “success” though?
    Do you really consider India and China, these societies, to be raving “success” stories?
    In the best sense of the word?
    Australia as a stable, secure, healthy, cohesive, productive, united White country and society was very successful. A people with integrity, a strong identity, a good society, and a clear eye to the future is a mark of genuine success.
    There’d be very few Indonesians with better English skills than me.
    What’s your point about that though?
    How did they learn English in the first place? Why? Doesn’t that still confirm the superiority of the English language?
    I’ve a friend who became fluent in Bahasa-Indonesian, there are other Australians who are so as well…so, does that mean that Indonesia must be opened to massive foreign immigration then?
    We’re talking not only about individuals here…we’re comparing nations, societies, cultures, civilisations.
    We’re discussing the superiority or inferiority of entire cultures.
    By all accounts and on all terms, the Western/White, the British, the Australian…is clearly the superior, by many leagues.

    • “What is your real criteria for “success” though?”

      Excellent question, and what are your criteria for “smarter”, “mediocre”, “faster” “stronger”, “competitive”, “ruthless” etc?

      Also, regarding the misuse of farming terms like “full-blooded”: large scale DNA surveys have shown that only a tiny minority of humans could be considered “full-blooded”, “racial pure” or whatever other farming terminology you choose to use.

      Farmers and scientists alike will tell you that breeding is a hit and miss affair, because it requires in-breeding (with all the problems that entails), because hybrids tend to live longer and with fewer diseases and because breeding does not predict the idiosyncrasies of individual behaviour.

      Those things being the case, the differences you speak of are cultural and arbitrary, rather than “racial”. Most people know this, but it’s always worth pointing out. It will not stop fascists like you discriminating on the basis of culture instead of race, but it does expose the irrational, random stupidity of that discrimination.

      (I see now how naive of me it was to expect
      to get an exact date, page number, etc for that “Churchill” quotation.)

    • “You’d be extremely hard pressed to find a full-blooded Australian Aboriginal that is smarter than me, or even the most mediocre White/Australian, ‘anti-bogan’.”

      No I wouldn’t.

      “Likewise, very few Chinese are faster or stronger than most Whites.”

      Have you seen the Chinese do gymnastics at all…?

      “Australia as a stable, secure, healthy, cohesive, productive, united White country and society was very successful. A people with integrity, a strong identity, a good society, and a clear eye to the future is a mark of genuine success.”

      Australia currently is all of those things – just not a white country anymore. Find me some evidence to suggest that it isn’t successful with citizens with integrity, identity and a clear eye for the future.

      “There’d be very few Indonesians with better English skills than me.”

      Why do you make this assumption? The very fact that I know several Indonesians with better English skills than you is proof enough for me. Your posts are usually riddled with spelling/grammar errors.

  10. It’s all about the benefit of hindsight ‘Ordem e Progresso’.
    About considering who and what, taking into account all that we know now and what has happened since, we should have really been confronting.

    Britain and Germany had much in common, and were allies in many conflicts across many centuries before the 20th century.
    In the two World Wars Imperial, and then Nazi, Germany were our enemies, to be sure, and we fought each other well…however, there’s much evidence that has come to light that shows that Hitler never wanted to go to war with Britain.

    Nazi-style racism? Hmmm, yes, but, such racism, or such a clear sense of racial discrimination abounded in Germany long before then, and in Britain, and many other places and amongst many different peoples on Earth.

    You ought to look as well at the Indians, the Chinese, the Arabs, the Japanese, who…even though it’s easy for you to ignore because it doesn’t fit your contrived, leftist, (White) vision of racism…all pursue very clear and strict racial and ‘racist’ beliefs.
    As do many others.

    The Jews, as well, and ironically, are FEROCIOUSLY racist in their outlook!

    Adolf Hitler was troubled by the fact that allying himself with Imperial Japan meant that Whites in Asia, the Pacific, and Australia might suffer…that was the turns of warfare though. Things didn’t always go as originally intended.

    It’s highly ironic that a multicultist talk about the plans Japan had for Australia…which our brave and resourceful men staved off…for they never came to real and awful fruition.
    Now though, the masses of the world, under the guise of “immigration” or “asylum seeking”, are actually getting to do what the Japanese were prevented from…and corrupt business and leftist traitors like yourself grant licence to that!

    I’m talking personally, and broadly. We have to speak in broad terms. We’re discussing not only indivduals, but CULTURES, races, nations, societies.
    Ours, is great, and is among the superior.
    Of course there’s lots of strong Blacks…are there any truly sound, strong, Black nations or societies though?
    Is anyone migrating to a Black society?
    What ‘Asians’ are you talking about? For that covers a LOT of people and horrendous cultures.
    The Mediterranean’s a big issue as well!
    Who are the particular Mediterraneans that you refer to?
    Keep in mind as well, that much of the population around much of the Mediterranean now is NOT what it was thousands of years ago.

    The proof is in the pudding, in that people are eager to leave their cultures to come to OURS!
    Well, that’s not good.
    We’ve every right to protect ours, and ourselves.

    The peoples you mention, especially Asians, all still stay the absolute majority in their own countries…which is something you would no deny to Whites in theirs.

    The Jews, again, play a pervers game, in that they have a stranglehold of economic and social power over and in many countries, particularly Western…whilst also maintaining their own (contrived?) identity within Israel.
    TOTAL hypocrits…whose lies, deceit, and corruption is ever more apparent.

    No doubt that there are smart and strong people of other races…however, is THE people smarter or stronger? That is the issue.

    Most Asians SEEM smart. They learn by rote, they have a hive mindset, they very dilligent. Creativity though, real genius, is sorely lacking in most.
    Blacks may be strong, but smarts are in severely short supply amongst them.

    The smartness of any non-Whites now though has to be measured alongside the amount of time they have benefitted from contact with White/Western civilisation, invention, and education.

    Sexual partners???? It’s no surprise. Many White women are duped by the “jungle fever” myth. And there’s many single White mothers in America, France, and Britain now of mixed-race/mulatto children that is testimony to what a mistake that is.

    The Jews, Jewish males that is, only get sexual partners through corruption, coercion, harassment, through luring and procurement. That’s largely why and how they run Hollywood.
    I wouldn’t go on about the ‘sexual partners’ gained by lecherous Jews if I were you!

    Asians, Asian females that is, really don’t have to got to any effort to find sexual partners!!!

    Are you pushing for miscegenation in the West???
    Ironically, with larger migrant racial groups there is either total miscegenation, or else FAR LESS intermixing, as people will often then prefer to stick with their own.

    Hang on anyway, stop right there. This conversation and wider debate is not about sexual partners. Australia is NOT to be used by a lot of fogreigners coming here to indulge in “sexual partners”.
    This wider discourse is about RACE, about nation, about integrity, about identity, about civilisation, about Australia being populated by Australians…as other countries are populated by their own people.

    Don’t think you can fall back on snide digs and silly bullshit.

    There’s far greater at stake here.

  11. Grant…when it comes to different “cultures” (there has to be a people before they have a culture) being brought to Australia, when it comes to different races, ethnicities, and nationalities coming to Australia…will that all just be deemed “arbitrary”?
    Will we be able to go off to Chinese New Year, or any other host of things, and join in then…not just watch…but actively participate?
    ‘Cos it’s all just arbitrary anyway, no-one’s pure, and we’re all the “same”?

    Nah, we won’t. FUCKIN’ BULLSHIT!

    It’s ALL only “arbitrary” when it comes to White people now, isn’t it?

    Are you pure White Grant? Why in the fuck do you want to go along with the debased bullshit that now says that you’re not who you are, not what you are, and that it’s all meaningless?

    Many of us AREN’T mongrels, we’re NOT!
    In total spite of the horseshit myths put out by cultural reletavists, race deniers, and liberals, most of us ARE INDEED PURE BLOODED!

    We’re not going to buy the Jew-derived (even though they, ironically, go to great lengths to maintain their “racial purity”!) crap that says we’re all a mixed bag.
    Most if us are pure blooded, with direct bloodlines.

    ‘Funny’ how you bring up farmers or scientists, because they also KNOW about the differences in breeds, and in maintaining them.

    Fuck, it’s astounding. So many of you stand on the crest of the most amazing heritage and you’ve been duped into wanting to see it thrown away and lost forever.

    Judging by that clap-trap about hybridisation…then our arrival was GOOD for the Aboriginals….AND you should be shouting out for Japan to be opened to immigration and the Japanese hybridised so they can live longer?
    No, all manner of excuses will be made about all that, won’t it?

    Europeans in genera, and Australians specifically, were doing V-E-R-Y well without having to be “hybridised” thank you very much!
    Only those coming from weaker shoots would benefit from being hybridised onto our strong, healthy stem…to our detriment though…and not long from now you’ve then got an entirely different mutated plant, or animal.
    That’s what you’re calling for…total population replacement, at the genetic level, of White people in White countries.
    That’s a genocide.
    And fuck you for going for it.

    It’s amazing the “excuses” made for the problems of other cultures by multicultists.
    How often do we hear about something, “oh, but that’s cultural”?!
    Ironically, multicultists, who go ON about ‘different cultures’…then can’t wait to brush off the ills of other cultures by stating “that’s just cultural”.

    By your mock-logic as well, seeing as how culture is merely “arbitrary”, then ALL migrants to Western countries can easily be asked to entirely relinquish “their” culture and full assimilate, yeah???
    Nah, of course there’ll be some bullshit about that.

    Western culture will be made “arbitrary”, whilst the cultures of people who’s culture cannot actually support a good life anymore will be “vital” to their ‘identity’.

    Culture is NOT arbitrary!
    People come first, then a culture.
    It goes Race, then Culture.
    Culture eminates from a people.
    If there’s something wrong with a culture, then it’s because there’s something wrong with them.

    Most of us, around the world, and especially most Whites, are NOT hybridised mutts…we are full blooded and pure!

  12. I grew up on a farm, the son of an animal and plant breeder. Your attempt to enlist farmers and scientists is the only “mock logic” here. They breed for one or two materially desirable traits, like the fineness/strength of fibres or resistance to cold.

    I must admit though, that there is a similarity between your ideas and the fucked up breeders of show animals whose abhorrence of random superficial traits has given dogs, cats, birds (etc) congenital deafness, epilepsy, hip displacement etc.

    “Most of us, around the world, and especially most Whites, are NOT hybridised mutts…we are full blooded and pure!” Oh no we’re not and the science is clearly against you. This just shows you aren’t as sophisticated as most latter day fascists, who have realised their mistake and now blather about “cultural purity” and other non-existent piffle.

    Unfortunately for them – and you – western culture/civilisation is also a hodge-podge of Greek/Roman arts and philosophy, Jewish religion, Islamic science etc etc. Our ability to take on board things from outside is the secret of our success (however you want to define those things).

    “There has to be a people before they have a culture” = wrong. There just has to be _people_, any people. Recent research has shown that distinct cultural elements, e.g. language, develop within only a few generations, if a group of people is isolated from other cultures. So culture is not “hard wired”, “ROM” or whatever your preferred analogy is.

    “Will we be able to go off to Chinese New Year, or any other host of things, and join in then…not just watch…but actively participate? ‘Cos it’s all just arbitrary anyway, no-one’s pure, and we’re all the “same”?” I don’t know how many Chinese new year’s you’ve attended, but I’ve seen “fellow whites” (or maybe they were “mongrels” who looked white”) actively participating. The local British migrant community doesn’t invite me to take part in festivities for the Queen’s (real) Birthday, even though I am “racially British”. I don’t jump to the conclusion that I am banned and/or not welcome. Maybe I am, who knows? But so what anyway? Only paranoid/anally-retentive nutters feel threatened by minority cultures, which tend to dwindle over time (even if you don’t get a chance to implement any “ethnic cleansing”).

    “Our arrival was GOOD for the Aboriginals….AND you should be shouting out for Japan to be opened to immigration and the Japanese hybridised so they can live longer?” There are no two ways about it: if some nutter wants to create long-lived, healthy individuals, then their best bet is genetic diversity. If they wanted to breed for particular traits, like muscular power or maths ability, they would have to first convince everyone concerned that perceived advantages in such respects (among say African American/Caribbean people or the Chinese) are not matters of culture/environment rather than genes. And there is no agreement on that.

    “ALL migrants to Western countries can easily be asked to entirely relinquish “their” culture and full assimilate, yeah???” And we would ask them to do this because of…what? Because its difficult/confusing/threatening to you to co-exist with people who don’t share your culture, aren’t imposing threatening on you and haven’t invited you to take part? Awww 😀 Or go on anti-depressants, you are so out of touch with the modern world you probably need them.

  13. can we please stop giving Scott any validation. He does have freedom to say what he wants, but when he just rants such ridiculous racist and phobic nonsense, I don’t think we should entertain him at all with the common sense that he cannot see for all the bullshit he sprouts.
    What a prick!!

  14. Freedom of speech. We are entitled to it still here in Australia. If you dont like the pics , dont look at them..Shame on you all judging this boys opinion. I hate the jews now too. As an oppressed people from the past, they should have more empathy for others.

    • Freedom of speech indeed. If you don’t like our staunch opposition to this fuckwit and his detrimental views, don’t read them. Shame on you for judging our opinion.

      Fuckwit.

    • “Freedom of speech. We are entitled to it still here in Australia.”

      Very amusing, freedom of speach [sic]. Pray tell where one may find an **overt** articulation of Australians’ entitlement to free speech?

      I suspect that you are a little confused by your limited education and may need some assistance so I will kindly give some clues on where to look, Mr/s speach [sic]:

      1. Turn off your TV.
      2. We are not in America.
      3. Australia does NOT have an American Bill of Rights, nor does their Bill of Rights apply to Australia (refer point 2). Something to do with national sovereignty an’ all that, eh?
      4. Take a look at the Australian Constitution. (Yes, dear bogans and bush lawyers, Australia DOES have a Constitution! It was not a fiction invented for “The Castle”). Actually, READ it.

      You’d be hard pushed to find any ***overt*** entitlement to free speech in the Australian Constitution. The High Court sure as hell did not find such an animal. (See 177 CLR 106 and 189 CLR 520). But, hey, I imagine some readers are prepared to be entertained by a semi-literate keyboard warrior who thinks that they can disprove the learned men and women of the bench of the highest court in our land. So you go right ahead and please enlighten us about our :entitlement: to free speech. Really.

      Free speech, as concept, is a tool of accountability. It serves to enable citizens to examine their decision makers and hold them up to scrutiny without fear of repercussion or suppression. Free speech is not some blanket right to make hate speech or slander without punitive responses.

      Amusingly yet predictably like so many of your ilk, you contradict yourself here in this forum. If you support free speech then you cannot take umbrage at criticism of this soon-to-be disciplined rank-and-file sailor. After all, those here who have held this person’s opinion up to scrutiny (and deserved ridicule) are also exercising their free speech, no? I suspect it is more likely you think that “free speech” only applies when the speaker is promulgating values that are commensurate with yours. And that is not “free speech”, that is censorship.

  15. MANY World War II veterans have realised this, and have spoken about this!
    I’ve spoken with them, and with older people in general who now feel the same.
    That we fought the wrong people, that there should not have been a war at all.
    In 1939 Britain rules the world, the Empire is all-powerful, all is right and good, Australia is safe and secure.
    From 1945 on the Empire has been dismantled, Britain has been graudally reduced to a near third world nation, and we see what is being done to Australia!
    Churchill remarked that the Second World War was unnecessary. Hindsight proves this to be entirely true.
    The people that we rushed to “help”, we didn’t have to, or shouldn’t have, the evil power we took as “allies” we shouldn’t have.
    Neither of the two World Wars need have happened, and especially not the second.
    At the very least, not as it transpired.
    We won the war, but time has shown that we have lost the “peace” after.
    Things should not now be going as is, but on from how they were.
    As great a task as it may seem, it is not too late to get Australia…and the world…back on the right path!

  16. CONSTANT contradiction from you Grant!
    Whites/Westerners “have” to accept immigration by foreign peoples and alien cultures into their countries, allegedly for their benefit, but entirely to their detriment…but it’s not a two way street.
    I am NOT talking about people attending Chinese New Year celebrations being held within THEIR country, I am saying will they be able to celebrate that festival AS THERI OWN?!
    Of course fucking not!
    It’s ridiculous to even imagine it!
    By definition, it is a CHINESE New Year festival, a Lunar New Year festival, which British people, which Australians, do NOT follow!
    It is a first class insult that Australians “get” to be spectators to foreigners persisting with their particular cultural rites, outside of cultures and societies that cannot actually support any healthy, advanced standard of living.

    You’re ALMOST right on one thing Grant.
    White people, Western Civilisation, DOES draw upon many other older historical, social, and cultural items…and took all of them to their greater height.
    Westerners/Europeans have always been able to look our, from a distance, and cherry pick the best of others.
    As have Australians.
    Cultural items can cross borders without the need for massive population movement or replacement.
    Western Civilisation HAS taken much, obviously, from earlier Roman, Greek, and other societies and civilisations…this did NOT, and does NOT, mean mass immigration and radical population change!!!
    We are at a height here in Australia. We could out over the rest of the world, take the best it has to offer, and remain safe and sound as ourselves.
    It is INSANE to think we have to sacrifice this now.
    Technology as well, means that cultural items can cross borders with NO need for population movement.
    We are the sum total, and highest achievement of civilisation. It is absolutely wrong to sell out, or throw away this, to the hordes of the world now.

    It should be completely, obviously, ridiculous to people before they even say it…this notion that borrowing from, or being inspired bym other cultures means that we should have to suffer radical population change and total racial destruction here now!
    It SHOULD be obvious how wrong that notion is!

    The mark of our advance is that we alone can look out to all others, appreciate the best, AND entirely maintain our integrity.

    There is NO claim, no mention of any “biology”, or what have you, that can in any way mean that White people anywhere, and that Australians in particular…should have to suffer total social, cultural, ethnic, and most importantly, racial obliteration.
    You cannot “help” a race, especially the highest race, by diluting or destroying it.
    One wonders what it may take to wake fools like you up? If at all?

    You’re wrong, you’re so far off, and you’d better snap back to reality.

    • Go boil your head you sanctimonious twat. There is no such thing as a ‘highest race’. The caucasian race has had its share of cultural and scientific black holes, just like any of the other civilisations that have inhabited this planet. The people of Europe would still be burning witches and shitting in the streets if they had not plundered the knowledge of antiquity carefully preserved by the medieval Islamic states.

    • (Apologies to Lisa, but some things are too ripe to ignore.)

      Someone should use Scott’s philosophical gems for one of those Downfall adaptations, e.g.

      “By definition, it is a CHINESE New Year festival, a Lunar New Year festival, which British people, which Australians, do NOT follow!
      “It is a first class insult that Australians “get” to be spectators to foreigners persisting with their particular cultural rites, outside of cultures and societies that cannot actually support any healthy, advanced standard of living.”

      Mein Führer….you are clearly BARKING mad, to the point that you are very amusing. And you have not been anywhere near a Chinatown on Chinese New year, when hordes of us whites vastly outnumber the number of ethnic Chinese people.

      “There is NO claim, no mention of any “biology”, or what have you, that can in any way mean that White people anywhere, and that Australians in particular…should have to suffer total social, cultural, ethnic, and most importantly, racial obliteration.”

      And as I predicted, “Scott” is backing off from the pseudo-biological garbage about race and are switching his focus to culture. And as I pointed out previously it is not the 90%+ of the population who are whites that face “total social, cultural, ethnic, and most importantly, racial obliteration.” Needless to say it is actually _minorities_ who undergo “social, cultural, ethnic and racial” assimilation, over many generations, regardless of any “help” from diseased pricks like Joel/Scott.

  17. Does freedom of speech include blatant lies?

    And as Josef Goebbels (the brains of the Nazi mob) said, people will sooner believe a big lie than a small one.

    But lies of the magnitude that “Scott” (Joel?) puts forward just make me laugh. This utter tool has the nerve to claim that WW2 veterans and Churchill would have agreed with him. WTF does he think was the reason the UK, France, Australia and other Commonwealth countries went to war in 1939? Three years before the “yellow peril” (Japan) entered the war. Or the reason why Churchill said he would do deals with the devil to beat Hitler?

    The American historian Chalmers Johnson has written that:

    It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians [i.e. Soviet citizens]; the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers—and, in the case of the Japanese, as [forced] prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; [by comparison] the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%.”

    Not to mention the atrocities of the Italian Fascists and other Axis states/leaders.

    One war, one Allies, one Axis.

  18. Somebody called ‘Mutation’ is also rather unappealing. As for Joel, well, y’know, in fairness to him, if the Govt, via the Navy, was gonna wanna send the msg that boatloads of refugees weren’t welcome, having Aussies armed with guns and a psychopathic hatred of Muslims on board coastal ships would certainly have propaganda value yeah? I mean, ‘we’ decide who comes into this country, and blokes like Joel merely carry out the orders, ja?

  19. https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/australian-soldier-idolises-nazis/#comment-3583

    So much bullshit to respond to there Scotty

    “In the two World Wars Imperial, and then Nazi, Germany were our enemies, to be sure, and we fought each other well…however, there’s much evidence that has come to light that shows that Hitler never wanted to go to war with Britain.”

    Hitler may not have initially wanted war with Britain but he knew it was certain if he kept on invading parts of Europe. The British kept warning him not to! Besides, once at war, the Nazis attacked Britain ferociously and viciously. The country – ‘race’ – you believe to be superior, Britain, was attacked by the regime you think was right and correct because of its racist politics. This alone marks you as a fuckwit. Though Australia itself was a racist country, it was right to join the Allies against the Axis. In the end it had no choice as Hitler’s allies, the fascist Japanese, threatened our area.

    “Most Asians SEEM smart. They learn by rote, they have a hive mindset, they very dilligent. Creativity though, real genius, is sorely lacking in most.
    Blacks may be strong, but smarts are in severely short supply amongst them.”

    Listen dickhead, where’s the damn proof? You’ve been asked this question so often and you can’t deliver. Like Nazis, it’s all bullshit based on someone’s insecurities … as we’ll see with you.

    “Sexual partners???? It’s no surprise. Many White women are duped by the “jungle fever” myth. And there’s many single White mothers in America, France, and Britain now of mixed-race/mulatto children that is testimony to what a mistake that is.
    I wouldn’t go on about the ‘sexual partners’ gained by lecherous Jews if I were you!”

    Hahaha what are you, a southern-American racist who thinks his women will be seduced by the exoticness of a black man?? What they’ve got bigger dicks than you? This whole black man seduces white women bullshit fed right into the horrendous racist crap that humans with black skin had to endure at the hands of cocks like you. And tell me what style of music do you listen to … bet it’s not Wagner but something which derives from Africa …

    “Asians, Asian females that is, really don’t have to got to any effort to find sexual partners!!!”

    Oh are they really now? You’d have to pay for them though wouldn’t you? Looking at your ‘friend’ list one wonders what the fuck your deal with racism is … there’s all these ‘Asian babes’. What’s a racist dick like you doing perving on Asian women when you’re so concerned with the dilution of the white race? Your comments about white women being attracted to ‘jungle fever’ is so hypocritical … you wanker !!!

    It seems to me, Scotty dog, you’re rather insecure about yourself. You’re unsure and scared of the non-white faces at the bus stop, you think your inability to find a sexual partner is down to white women being struck down with ‘jungle fever’, leaving you to fornicate over virtual ‘friends’ who attract losers like you to make a few bucks … so far as nomenclature is concerned, naming you ‘Chief Wanker’ is entirely appropriate.

    Also, by the way, pay attention to ‘Grant’s’ post to you because it tells you why racialism is a bullshit theory with no scientific basis, like I’d been telling you. Here –

    https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/australian-soldier-idolises-nazis/#comment-3584

    • “The country – ‘race’ – you believe to be superior, Britain, was attacked by the regime you think was right and correct because of its racist politics. This alone marks you as a fuckwit.”

      Owned.

  20. Scott,
    You watching the commonwealth Games?
    White people aren’t winning all the medals mate, must be some multicultist conspiracy 😦

  21. Britain didn’t fight Nazi Germany because they were evil racists. Germany did not attack back because of their ideology.
    The propaganda about ‘evil Nazis’ came *after* our leaders had already declared war, to motivate soldiers to kill complete strangers.
    The war, like all wars, was over territory: Germany invaded Poland, whom Britain had agreed to protect.
    And we were Britain’s allies (i.e. alliance to protect territory).

    Hitler proposed a peace plan which was rejected.

    When Britain declares war and rejects peace, what is Germany supposed to do?
    Send a Hallmark card saying “Thank you for your Declaration of War, but we politely decline to bomb you”.

    Progressives gladly defend the rights of Satanists to serve in the armed forces. Why not white supremacists? Does this interfere with his duties?

    Your hypocrisy has been pointed out: you expect White people and their cultures to surrender to displacement and dilution, whether we want it or not.

    If this happened to *any other people*, you’d call it what it is: genocide. And you wouldn’t be ‘celebrating’ it, you’d be furious!

    • “Britain didn’t fight Nazi Germany because they were evil racists. Germany did not attack back because of their ideology.”

      You’re right to a point: it wasn’t Hitler’s racist, racial-cleansing policies which motivated the British into war. But the Nazis were evil racists whether the propaganda from the 1940s and onwards said so or not. Any honest reading of history would say they were inhumane and violent in the extreme. The almost unthinkable violence of the Holocaust was driven by racism. Hitler was open about his racist ideas. Sure Britain was concerned with Hitler’s expansion and push for ‘living space’. Hitler was warned to go no further but he refused. It’s stupid to suggest, as you do, that ideology hadn’t anything to do with Germany’s war … Nazism is nothing but ideology – a fucked one at that.

      “Hitler proposed a peace plan which was rejected.”

      That’s a joke – Hitler issued many peace plans and even signed one with the Russians. He broke it and invaded.

      “Progressives gladly defend the rights of Satanists to serve in the armed forces. Why not white supremacists? Does this interfere with his duties?”

      Do ‘progressives gladly defend the rights of Satanists to serve in the armed forces’? I wasn’t aware there was such an issue … Scouring the Satanist Church website, I can’t seem to find anything there which would cause me to think it a problem if a Satanist were to join the military … But this Joel Pansypony guy’s different. He’s service could take him to the middle east or somewhere where they practice Islam. He may go there not to be in combat but to act as a peacekeeper or perhaps serve along side Muslims, as the case may well be Iraq and Afghanistan. His racist, Islamophobic statements raises serious questions over his ability to serve properly. To me he sounds like he’s got a different agenda

      “Your hypocrisy has been pointed out: you expect White people and their cultures to surrender to displacement and dilution, whether we want it or not.

      If this happened to *any other people*, you’d call it what it is: genocide. And you wouldn’t be ‘celebrating’ it, you’d be furious!”

      You simply sound like another White Supremacist dick. Fuck off wanker. May your pathetic, bullshit brand of White Hate die !

      Fool !

      • Yep. Robert Menzies was motivated by “patriotism” (of the licking royal anus variety) when he passively accepted the British declaration of war, but ordinary people had other motivations.

        For instance, the late Charles “Bud” Tingwell AM, a RAAF recon pilot in WW2, said this about why he went to war:

        “It was just that you didn’t not try to go [..] You were so … orientated towards the fact that “the war’s on” and “this is the right thing to do”. We also did know … that difficult things were happening in Europe and … we had Jewish friends who had [relatives] who had an awful time … and refugees were arriving in Australia in the pre-war time… We had a German family next door and they had a son-in-law who … was a suspect[ed] … Nazi sympathiser, so he had to … be interned… We knew a lot about Hitler and about Mussolini.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Tingwell

        What was it that Tingwell, an 18yo cadet at Radio 2CH when he joined up, “knew” that fascist/imperialist/nationalist meat heads, both then and now, do not? Maybe just that he hadn’t been psychologically twisted by parents/teachers/priests/scoutmasters/whoever.

    • This bloke sure sounds like old Scott. Must be his hate-child.

      Never seen such nonsense about white supremacists and Satanists. Satanists are, despite popular myths, by and large harmless eccentric pagans. Like all religions they have their nutjobs, crackpots and crims.

      Difference is all the white supremacists are nutjobs, crackpots and crims. That’s why no sensible government can tolerate their presence in its defence forces.

  22. God, do you people listen to your own yabba yabba. It’s pathetic!
    “I can’t seem to find anything which would cause me to think it a problem if a Satanist were to join the military”.
    But many people would, because of stereotypes. The same kind of stereotypes you knee-jerkingly regurgitate about ‘white supremacists’. Satanism is quite misanthropic. People could easily question a Satanist’s ‘ability to serve properly’. Couldn’t Satanist beliefs cause just the same potential conflicts of interest in dealing with Muslims?

    Where did I say anything ‘hateful’ here? Again you just jump to conclusions about people you know nothing about.
    A ‘racist’ doesn’t necessarily ‘hate’ anyone. You’re the one ‘hating’ White people, by denying them, and *only* them, the right to their own ethnic identities and homelands.
    I bet you’ve got a ‘Free Tibet’ sticker on your fridge. Well, where is the *right* of the French, the Swedes, the Irish to:
    “be different, to consider themselves different,
    and to be respected as such. The fundamental importance of the right to self-determination of *all* peoples, by virtue of which they freely determine their political status and freely pursue *their* economic, social and cultural development” (Declaration of the rights of Indigenous Peoples).
    Don’t these principles apply to White people too?

    Genocide (noun): the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

    • My “social and cultural development” is fine thanks. It does not include racism and it does not need to be delivered via your Fascism.

      There is no record of Satanists, Pagans in general, Wiccans, Unitarians or any other small harmless sects doing any of the following:

      1. Bullying, hazing or assaulting military recruits
      2. Running hate campaigns against minorities.
      3. Homophobia.
      3. Systematically committing civilian crimes
      4. Systematically committing war crimes.

      However white supremacists, klanners and other nutzis do all of these things and more. They poison the US defence forces, we don’t want them in ours.

  23. Notice the extreme irony of what you said Ben?
    Even though you seem to pathologically hate your own White/Western heritage.
    About the “knowledge of antiquity” being “carefully preserved by medieval Islamic states”?!
    Just which and who’s knowledge, of antiquity, were those ‘Islamic states’ “carefully preserving”?
    Greek, Persian/Iranian, Egyptian, Roman/Byztantine…not their own…and usually Caucasian/White in origin.
    It was actually our own rich knowledge and heritage.
    They didn’t always so ‘carefully preserve’ it either, a lot they very wisely preserved…a lot they also destroyed as well.

    They were never able to move on much more from that either.

    Also, and very importantly this, just how do you think there even were any “medieval Islamic states” to even presume to “carefully preserve” any “knowledge of antiquity”?
    Because early Islamice forces invaded other lands and conquered other peoples, states, and empires.
    Often massacred much of the populace afterwards, converted or reduced to dhimmitude the rest, destroyed or reappropriated much of the infrastructure, and set about a process of repopulating with their own.
    It’s either genuinely not known about, or else ruthlessly ignored and suppressed by multicultists, just how any of those Islamic states came to be!

    • “Greek, Persian/Iranian, Egyptian, Roman/Byztantine…not their own…and usually Caucasian/White in origin.
      It was actually our own rich knowledge and heritage.”

      Not our heritage. White Australians are mostly Nordic, Germanic or Celtic in origin. Besides, my point was that the Islamic Empire was a centre of enlightenment while europeans spent a long time being a technological non-entity.

      And no, I do not ‘pathalogically hae my own white/western heritage’. Do not make fictions about me, thank you very much. What I hate is twats like you who think ‘whiteness’ alone makes a person superior to others. It is NONSENSE. The achievements of an individual do not automatically become the property of anybody who shares the same complexion.

  24. M-Dawg…how do you even THINK there is a Commonwealth to be having a games in???
    I’ll give you a hint, they began as and were called for some time, the Empire Games!

    • I picked comm games because they are on now… it could be the Olympics… so what???
      The point is non white people are winning too
      Get that??? Doodle head,

      • Take a look at every international sports team and Games squads Australia has. All of them diverse.

        Take a look at the professional teams for the four football codes. Same.

        Look at the international representative teams for soccer, Rugby and Rugby League. Same.

        Look at the tennis team. Same.

        So Scott and his new best friend, remove all non-Anglo sports-people from our teams and what do you have?

        Nothing.

  25. Australia and Australians did VERY well in sports for a LONG time before our teams were turned, ahem, “diverse”!
    ‘Diversity’…another vapid term to gloss over what “multi-culturalism” truly means. That is, radical and complete population change in White countries.
    So-called “diversity” actually means ‘less white people’.
    Do other countries and their sports teams get so ‘diversified’? No…because then it would be genocide, wouldn’t it? Their right to cultural integrity would be being attacked.

    Your’e actually saying, whether you’re aware of it or not, that Australia was not good enough being populated by Australians, and that our sporting teams not good enough when made up of, well, actual Australians.

    That’s what you’re saying, under the glib guise of “diversity”.

    We see the “diversity” of multi racialised nations around the world, and really, they can keep it!!!

    No, our heritage, history, culture, identity, integrity, and future are not to be so thrown away on account of sports!

    • No, the future of the human race is not to be thrown away based on the ramblings of a fool with baseless fears and delusions of grandeur.

  26. Josh, your individual reality is not the issue and Ben, the future of the human race is not the issue (there’d always be humans of some type or another).
    The issue is the right of *peoples* (i.e. communal groups, not individuals) to maintain their ethnicities in their historical territories.
    You glady support these rights for *any other people* but Whites. You’d support Tibetans being “Tibetan” (however *they* define that) in Tibet, or Turks being “Turkish” in Turkey, or Samoans being “Samoan” in Samoa.
    But God forbid that Frenchmen might want to be French in France! OMG NO!!! What evil scum!

    Regarding sports, I doubt any ‘racist’ has ever disputed the athletic abilities of coloured people. What they question is whether a “British” team or “Spanish” team composed largely of non-British, non-Spanish people really represents ANYTHING! You could create a team of the best players in any sport and they’d win, win, win, but they wouldn’t REPRESENT anyone.

    Greek, Persian/Iranian, Egyptian, Roman/Byztantine is “not our heritage”, Ben?
    Australia is part of, and a continuation of *Western Civilisation*, not just Germanic or Celtic tribal culture. All these influences have been fused together over time and are therefore “our” heritage. While Muslims may have preserved the knowledge of these people, Islam (not Arabs) itself has contributed NOTHING to the fusion that is “Western Civilisation”. Muslims have done plenty to try and eradicate knowledge and heritage too.

    • “Greek, Persian/Iranian, Egyptian, Roman/Byztantine is “not our heritage”, Ben?
      Australia is part of, and a continuation of *Western Civilisation*, not just Germanic or Celtic tribal culture. All these influences have been fused together over time and are therefore “our” heritage. While Muslims may have preserved the knowledge of these people, Islam (not Arabs) itself has contributed NOTHING to the fusion that is “Western Civilisation”. Muslims have done plenty to try and eradicate knowledge and heritage too.”

      Scott was talking in purely ancestral terms of ‘whiteness’, making the assumption that Greek, Persian/Iranian, Egyptian, Roman/Byztantine were white. It’s far more likely that these people, with the exception of the Persian/Iranian, were more like the people living in the mediterranean region now.

    • Since when was there any “communality” between normal people and racist bigots? Especially when we know that the whole concept of “race” is a furphy – there is only one human race, there are variations in physical appearance. What a dull world we’d have if everyone was a clone of their neighbour.

      Take off the mantle of flesh and you are left with a skeleton. The skeletons of our distant ancestors only tell you their gender, their approximate chronological age and whether they may have been subject to injury or disease. It tells you nothing about what colour they were.

      Elevating a group of people because they are “white” is as superstitiously stupid as elevating a group of people because they have second toes longer than their big toes. Skin colour says nothing about intelligence, culture, physical ability or reproductive capacity.

  27. Ben: “White Australians are mostly Nordic, Germanic or Celtic in origin”.
    How odd. While attacking the very notion that “Australians” have any distinctiveness as a people (To you, anyone can be Australian), you overtly acknowledge the exact opposite: that the vast majority of “Australians” have very specific *ancestries*.

    In the 1940s, 90% of “us” were Australian-born Whites (yes, *born* here, not in the British Isles), now it’s about 65% and getting lower all the time. But this isn’t ‘genocide’?

  28. Again, good on you Shockadelic!

    Ben, I take in and talk about the entire spectrum of things. The entire spectrum. I MUST also stress that Caucasian nature, the Whiteness, of many of those peoples, cultures, and civilisations precisely because the likes of YOU and all other multicultists are attempting to cover over history, to deny any exceptional achievments by the wider Caucasian/White race, and more specifically to denigrate, deny, and extinguish the Whiteness of Australia!
    You would gladly see Australia turned Brown, or Black, or “Yellow”, or a garish, crowded, convoluted, splattering, a mish-mash, of colours…of races and ethnicities.
    THAT is why I emphasise our White identity and heritage!
    As part of a host of elements at stake here.

    • I merely believe that achievements are the property of individuals and not of other people of the same colour who had no actual involvement in those achieivements. It’s like saying that you discovered the planet Uranus because William Herschel, the person who actually discovered Uranus, was white. Your logic states that you share his achievement because you have the same skin colour, regardless of the fact that you weren’t alive when he discovered Uranus and therefore had no involvement in the discovery of Uranus. It’s like me claiming that I can take credit for Thomas Edison’s invention of the lightbulb because we both had brown hair.

  29. Josh, forensic doctors can actually tell a person’s race by their skeleton, even by their skull alone.
    There are marked differences in the races.
    Don’t you all push “diversity”? Diversity means difference, that often means division. That also means comparison.
    Neighbours looking and being similar is what a race, and ethnicity, a people, a nation, a culture is.
    I don’t there’s anyone that would make claim that any Australians were ever “clones” of each other. We had our similarities, and were also a gregarious bunch of characters.
    Such individuality within a group is indicative of the White race in general.
    If you wish to talk about people of the same race being clones then you ought to start demanding that China gets turned multi-racial/multi-cultural…and a host of other peoples and places could do the same as well.
    No, it’s bulldust. Races are races and peoples are peoples.
    It’s only when it comes to the destruction of the West that race denial comes into play.
    There is a great deal involved with race…physically, biologically, intellectually, psychologically, spiritually, morally, socially…that multicultists ignore in pursuit of such race denial.
    The outside is very important to race and identity, and there’s also a lot more going on.
    You think that some societies are great, and some in squalor, and the only difference their people is skin colour?
    There’s a lot going on.

    Yes, for the record, doctors and scientists can tell a person’s race by many means…many more than only looking at their skin colour.

    Are you advocating that all neighbourhoods around the world get made so racially ‘diverse’? No, of course you’re not. When it comes to everyone else, they’re to be protected. When it comes to the West, to Whites, to Australia…then, hey presto, there’s “no such thing as race”!?

    The proof of race is in their behaviour and achievements as well.

    We have every right as well, to live in the neighbourhoods that we made, in our own country and society, with our own people…and to keep the identity and integrity of our people intact.

    • Tell you what Scotty boy I am a “white” person with English as a first language descended from Poms and Sots and the like, and there is no way in the world I am *your people*.

      Nor would I want to be *your people*. I’d be more inclined to hang out with a bunch of Australopithecines than with a Nazi-loving racist bigot.

  30. Ben “Can’t really call that genocide”. Why not? Read the definition again. It doesn’t have to involve ‘extermination’, only destruction ‘in part’ (That’s not my definition either. Look up Wiki).

    When a people go from 90% of the population to 65% in less than a century, that is ‘destruction in part’, because it only happened due to the introduction of foreigners, who make up an ever increasing percentage.

    The culture of those “90% now 65%” is also pushed aside to make way for others.

    If Thailand’s population went from 90% Thai to 65%, with an accompanying displacement/disparagement of Thai culture, due to the influx of millions of foreigners, would you be celebrating?

    Would you tell any Thai people who objected that they were evil Nazis and to just get over the skin colour thing (as if that’s what they’re complaining about). Even if you didn’t label that ‘genocide’, you’d still say it was unethical and wouldn’t be waving the flag of the usurpers.

    “It’s like me claiming that I can take credit for Thomas Edison’s invention of the lightbulb because we both had brown hair.”
    Ever heard of the terms ‘legacy’ or ‘inheritance’. Everyone alive today was helped (and harmed) by the actions of their ancestors. Until the Information Age, most knowledge was passed down only amongst closely related people.
    If something was passed down from Swede to Swede to Swede for generations, is it ridiculous to call this knowledge “Swedish”, an inheritance/legacy for *all* Swedes, not just the original inventor?

    “Take off the mantle of flesh and you are left with a skeleton”.
    Josh, we don’t live as skeletons, and we don’t live alone. We live in communities.
    Don’t we have any right to say *who* will constitute those communities?
    All people like me want is a proper debate and a say in the outcome (this is supposed to be a democracy, right?). If most Australians agreed with your ‘panhumanism’, I could accept that result. But I doubt they do, and there has never been any debate or vote.

    • genocide |ˈjenəˌsīd|
      noun

      the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
      _________________________________________

      “When a people go from 90% of the population to 65% in less than a century, that is ‘destruction in part’…”

      What if I had a stamp collection of around 100,000 stamps. I then started up a coin collection and collected 30,000 coins. Have I destroyed any stamps?

      “The culture of those “90% now 65%” is also pushed aside to make way for others.”

      Is it? Tell me, how has our culture been affected? What liberties and freedoms have been taken away from you? What were you able to do in the grand ol’ days of the 50’s and 60’s that you cannot do anymore? Which schools no longer sing the National Anthem? Which schools no longer display the Australian flag? Which opportunities have been taken away?

      “If Thailand’s population went from 90% Thai to 65%, with an accompanying displacement/disparagement of Thai culture, due to the influx of millions of foreigners, would you be celebrating?”

      Don’t compare Australia with Thailand. It’s such a non-argument. If Thailand was benefiting from skilled migrants and addressing its aging population while increasing the strength of its economy, then yes – we would be celebrating. Australia has had white people in it for 222 years. Those white people didn’t bring Australian culture with them, they brought predominantly English culture with them. Nonetheless, Australia’s ‘culture’ is only 222 years old, and a quarter of that has been made up of the contributions of other cultures from around the world.

      “Ever heard of the terms ‘legacy’ or ‘inheritance’. Everyone alive today was helped (and harmed) by the actions of their ancestors. Until the Information Age, most knowledge was passed down only amongst closely related people.
      If something was passed down from Swede to Swede to Swede for generations, is it ridiculous to call this knowledge “Swedish”, an inheritance/legacy for *all* Swedes, not just the original inventor?”

      This is the one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.

      1. Australians, by your reasoning, cannot associate themselves with the inventions mentioned by our other white supremacist Scott. Computers weren’t invented by an Australian, neither was electricity.
      2. If you want to claim credit for the successes and breakthroughs made by white people in general, then you must also take credit for all of the genocides, desecration, theft, destruction and inhumanities that have occurred over the past few hundreds and thousands of years at the hands of people with white skin.
      3. If you are selective with what you want to claim credit for, it then suggests that you have no intentions of ever making anything of yourself, rather, you’re happy with your minimal education, menial job, lack of success or ingenuity and believe that simply by procreating and teaching your own kids how to be proud white supremacists you’re somehow earning your place in the world. Shockadelic, you’ve got a lame, amateur website that nobody visits. Yet you have the nerve to come here and tell us that our website is insignificant and hate-filled. What a fucking joke!

      “We live in communities.
      Don’t we have any right to say *who* will constitute those communities?”

      We do. Did you or did you not choose where you would live? If you wanted a suburb with no non-white people, there are thousands of suburbs in our country that have it that way. You chose to reside in Sydney. So get over your xenophobia, stop taking credit for amazing people in history who were often striving and creating not for their white race, but for the benefit of all people from all races.

    • “Don’t we have any right to say *who* will constitute those communities?”

      How much say did you give to the Aboriginal people?

      No need for a “debate”. And I can just imagine it from your side. Ill-informed ignorant outbursts and blame projection aplenty. Lots of fear. Hate by the bucketload. Violence.

      Yep you bigots made a great start didn’t you by trying to rid the place of the people who occupied the land for over 40,000 years. Only their guts and resilience kept their communities going into this century, despite your best genocidal efforts. I could just imagine what you would like to do to immigrants and their descendants.

      I don’t want racists and bigots in any community I live in. I want them to go away and hide their xenophobic shame. They have nothing to offer or to contribute to this country.

  31. OMG, I can’t believe you people. Even when your self-contradiction is pointed out to you as clearly as possible, you just keep rambling on with you Pavlovian broken-record responses.

    Antibogan, Yahoo Answers is not considered an authoritative reference source. Try again. Genocide does *not* have to involve the killling of large numbers of people. It describes their dimunition, not extinction.

    I didn’t say Australians couldn’t enjoy Swedish heritage, only that it would be ridiculous to claim it’s *not* Swedish, just “human”.

    “If you want to claim credit…”. People like you never let us forget about the bad events of history. I never said we shouldn’t take responsibility for that. The histories of non-white people are just as bloody and oppressive, but you “selectively” choose to see those people through rose-coloured glasses.

    “Don’t compare Australia with Thailand. It’s such a non-argument.” No, it’s a perfetly legitimate argument, which throws your hypocrisy into sharp relief, so you reflexively dismiss it.

    “If you wanted a suburb with no non-white people, there are thousands of suburbs in our country that have it that way”. Not for long. And what do you say about people who *choose* to live in all-white suburbs? Would you say ‘Well, that’s a legitimate choice to make in a free society”. Like Hell you would! You don’t want anyone to even *have* that option.

    Josh: “How much say did you give to the Aboriginal people”
    Here we go again with the self-contradiction. Oh, it was a TRAGEDY when the Aborigines went from 100% of the population to 2% in little over a century. Oh, THAT was ‘genocide’, even though there was little actual violence.
    I don’t have any say over events that happened hundreds of years ago.

    This is a liberal democracy. I know you ‘progressive’ thought police would prefer otherwise, but people can think and believe anything they want, and express those opinions. These rights were fought for over centuries, and are not going to be taken away because you feel uncomfortable about the things some people think, believe and say.

    You claim to love the cultural diversity of the ‘human race’, yet when some of those very humans say they’re concerned for the future of their cultures, you attack them. And why? Because of their skin colour!!! (while claiming to be anti-racist!)

    • No we attack all racists here, and in Australia they just happen to be white.

      They even like to announce their stupidity by calling themselves “white supremacists” and “white nationalists” and a whole lot of other made-up names drawn from the dark swamp of Fascism and its criminal past

      Your “culture” (or should I spell it “Kultur” because I smell the reek of jackboot about it in all its overblown mythologisation and cheap fear-mongering) is not our culture and never will be.

    • “Antibogan, Yahoo Answers is not considered an authoritative reference source. Try again. Genocide does *not* have to involve the killling of large numbers of people. It describes their dimunition, not extinction.”

      No, I checked dictionary responses, not Yahoo Answers. Your definition of genocide has been accompanied by zero references.

      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/genocide
      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/genocide
      http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Genocide
      http://www.preventgenocide.org/genocide/officialtext.htm

      ““If you want to claim credit…”. People like you never let us forget about the bad events of history. I never said we shouldn’t take responsibility for that. The histories of non-white people are just as bloody and oppressive, but you “selectively” choose to see those people through rose-coloured glasses.”

      Fuck you’re a retard. I mean, you really are. QUOTE to me the part where I excused any inexcusable act by any race of people in any point during history. You’re an absolute fuckwit, did I mention that? The whole bloody point is that people ought not to be judged on the actions of the people who came before them in the same way that people cannot claim credit and superiority from the actions of the people who came before them. Both you and Scott are forehead-smackingly-dense white supremacists who rest on the laurels of the achievements of white people who came before you in one breath, and then criticise a whole host of non-white nationalities for the actions of a few in the next breath.

      ““Don’t compare Australia with Thailand. It’s such a non-argument.” No, it’s a perfetly legitimate argument, which throws your hypocrisy into sharp relief, so you reflexively dismiss it.”

      No, it’s not a perfetly (sic) legitimate argument. Australia and Thailand have different reasons and levels of need for immigration. You asked if we (liberals) would celebrate Thailand raising immigration levels and therefore raising the level of residents from foreign countries. I said that we would celebrate this if the immigration process was contributing positively to the issues that they were hoping to address. The whole race aspect means nothing to me. Australia has reasons for setting levels of immigration. Those issues are addressed and I don’t really care where the people are coming from as long as their arrival benefits our country.

      ““If you wanted a suburb with no non-white people, there are thousands of suburbs in our country that have it that way”. Not for long. And what do you say about people who *choose* to live in all-white suburbs? Would you say ‘Well, that’s a legitimate choice to make in a free society”. Like Hell you would! You don’t want anyone to even *have* that option.”

      Not for long? Do you have some projections for me? Not that I’ll care, because out of the two of us, only you want Australia to remain white. “You don’t want anyone to even *have* that option.” – Please don’t make my mind up for me. I honestly don’t give a shit. If people want to live in a suburb that has more white people in it, I don’t give a flying fuck. People tend to lean towards suburbs because of their proximity to their workplace, their levels of crime, their surroundings (parks/water etc), and not their ethnic makeup.

      “You claim to love the cultural diversity of the ‘human race’, yet when some of those very humans say they’re concerned for the future of their cultures, you attack them. And why? Because of their skin colour!!! (while claiming to be anti-racist!)”

      I have no issue with people wanting to preserve their culture. As yet, not one racist or white supremacist that I’ve ever debated with has been able to identify one freedom or aspect of our way of life/culture that has been forfeited to migrants to our country. Not one liberty has been lost, not one law adopted that suggests that whites have less rights than non-whites in this country. I attack people on their blatant racism (and sexism etc). Take a look at the comments spotlighted on this website. These aren’t people concerned about their culture. These are people that just fucking hate non-white people.

      White people aren’t attacked here, individuals are. I’m a white person. The other two authors on this blog are white people. At every opportunity, we make a point of saying that these racists that we expose are members of a minority in this country, and their comments should in no way reflect the wider Australian (white) population.

      Get a fucking clue you wankfest. You have delusions of grandeur, yet you’re a fucking nobody with a website that has less influence than a casual teacher. You have not and cannot identify how our culture is depleting, yet you’ll harp on for hours about how you’re only racist because you don’t want to lose your culture. What a bile inducing shit spray. Muslims have been in this country for over a hundred years, yet they haven’t done a thing to suppress our culture here. Aboriginals were nearly wiped out upon the arrival of the Europeans (hundreds of thousands KILLED), yet they’ve yet to seek bloody revenge on white people, rather they have survived on the strength of their communities. People from Asian countries continue to out-breed the rest of us yet how have they changed any aspect of the Australian culture? I used to teach at a school with over 85% Asian background, yet they all proudly sang the national anthem and knew all about our history and culture.

      Enjoy YOUR fifteen minutes, although it was up before you came here.

  32. You are just sad Josh, sad. If you’re typical of the noble heroes who’ll save the day, then God help us. We’re doomed.

    I don’t know how you live with the self-contradictory pretzels that chase their tails in your mind.

    Keep up the call-em-Nazis routine. More and more people are seeing through your empty sham ‘arguments’ every day and you know it.
    Your hypocrisy is so blatant that it can’t be perpetuated forever. But you don’t learn or adjust, you just get more arrogant, abusive, desperate.
    You know the tide is turning against you, and its not because of a few Hitler fans.
    It’s because *your own statements* don’t add up. People believe lies and tricks for a while, but sooner or later they wise up. Enjoy your fifteen minutes. It’s nearly up.

    • “White pride”, “white supremacists”, “white nationalists” – fancy having to venerate hate to get your jollies.

      Now let me see, who is this week’s target? Which piece of hate literature is your Book of the Month? Which harmless minority group do you want to crush this week or next?

      Where’s your “more and more people”? At the recent Federal elections, hate parties and hate candidates received record low votes. That’s a comprehensive rejection of your ridiculous claims to represent any sort of community consensus, except perhaps for the half dozen or so muttering nutjobs who constitute your clownariat.

      Give up. You’re a dead man walking.

  33. Ethnic groups that are historically ‘White’ (an unfortunate name as icertain diots presume this is merely a reference to skin tone) wanting to stay that way is *no different* to Thai wanting to ‘stay Thai’, Zulus wanting to ‘stay Zulu’ or Tongans wanting to ‘stay Tongan’.

    To say otherwise shows it is *you* that is the racist, denying ethnic rights to *some* peoples *only* because of their skin colour. Why can’t you see the contradiction?

    People respecting their own kind doesn’t mean they ‘hate’ others and I personally don’t ‘hate’ or mistreat anyone without just cause. You, again oblivious to your own irony, are the ones ‘hating’ people. I’ve heard nothing but hate, hate, hate spewing from your mouths.

    As for political change, it never happens all at once or everywhere at once.
    Australia will likely be the last domino to fall due to the casual Aussie way of ‘ignoring’ problems until the last minute.
    In Europe, the dominos are already falling with many nationalist parties winning seats. In America, the Tea Party movement is clearly fed up with the pushy agenda of ‘progressives’.
    Political change may seem sudden when it finally appears on your TV, but the buildup usually takes decades. If you think despite the obvious protest that the same old slogans will keep working forever, all the better. You will *underestimate* your ‘enemy’ and they will take you by surprise.

    Do you really think all this change is being done by world leaders out of the goodness of their hearts?
    Do they so want those poor coloured folks to have the opportunity to be hairdressers and taxi drivers? Since when did people with power and wealth do anything for the little guy?
    This is all about Power and Wealth, and not for your local corner store owner.
    A homogenised world (which is what you’ll get after everyone is mixed together for a few generations) means big bucks for the sellers of Universal Whatsits available in 5 standard sizes for Globally Standardised People.
    You have been fed the fantasy of ‘freedom’ and ‘equality’ so Mr Mega Bucks can sell, sell, sell. You are his puppet and he is laughing at your naivety. All the way to the bank (which he owns).

    • “Ethnic groups that are historically ‘White’ (an unfortunate name as icertain diots presume this is merely a reference to skin tone) wanting to stay that way is *no different* to Thai wanting to ‘stay Thai’, Zulus wanting to ‘stay Zulu’ or Tongans wanting to ‘stay Tongan’.
      To say otherwise shows it is *you* that is the racist, denying ethnic rights to *some* peoples *only* because of their skin colour. Why can’t you see the contradiction?”

      You’ve made no mention of Thai people wanting to ‘stay Thai’. You asked me if liberals would celebrate if Thailand increased immigration and the level of pure Thai people decreased, while non-Thai people increased. I answered the question truthfully – that I (an Australian) would be happy if immigration was proven to benefit Thailand, and that the birth-origin of the people contributing to the status of the country was irrelevant. You created some bizarre scenario and assumed that all Thai people were as xenophobic as yourself, and assumed that an increase of non-Thai people was the equivalent of genocide on Thai people. You know, some countries are in a position to consider immigration more than others. Some countries are in need of immigration more than others. It has very little to do with governments the world over wanting to diminish the pure-breds in their countries. And it’s not that certain countries simply want to stay pure of nationality.

      “You will *underestimate* your ‘enemy’ and they will take you by surprise.”

      I didn’t know you had a time machine.

      “Do you really think all this change is being done by world leaders out of the goodness of their hearts?”

      What change are you referring to?

      “Do they so want those poor coloured folks to have the opportunity to be hairdressers and taxi drivers? Since when did people with power and wealth do anything for the little guy?”

      Are you talking about migrants to Australia becoming hairdressers and taxi drivers? You do realise that Australia rarely recognises international degrees, right? So the guy that started up the convenience store around the corner may actually have been a University lecturer back in his home country. Or are you talking about people being employed in their country of origin? Because that’s definitely a positive outcome for governments, as they then contribute to the economy as a consumer and a tax-payer, and they do not rely on social security.

      “This is all about Power and Wealth, and not for your local corner store owner.”

      What is, immigration? Of course it is! Immigration has been proven to provide more benefits to society and to the economy than problems.

      “A homogenised world (which is what you’ll get after everyone is mixed together for a few generations) means big bucks for the sellers of Universal Whatsits available in 5 standard sizes for Globally Standardised People.
      You have been fed the fantasy of ‘freedom’ and ‘equality’ so Mr Mega Bucks can sell, sell, sell. You are his puppet and he is laughing at your naivety. All the way to the bank (which he owns).”

      You really need to take off your tin hat.

  34. Thankfully there’s someone else here, Shockadelic, who knows what’s going on as well!

    It’s entirely true. The assorted leftists, liberals, socialists, and multicultists who promulgate ‘multiculturalism’ under the guise of contrived, or even genuinely imagined, “peace”, “tolerance” and “progress”, are only the pawns, the puppets, the street thugs, the dupees, the automatons, the zombies, the tools of those who will control and profit from a dismantled, muddied, teeming, multi-racial society!

    A great lie has been sold to many, who would as quickly sell out their own…but find out too late that the pay-off isn’t worth it.

    Well, we can’t wait for that.

    It’s been said that the cause of defeats is being “too late”.

    It’s also long been said that a ‘stitch in time saves nine’, and it’s now time to do that…lest it get too late!

  35. Did Aborigines cultural freedoms *immediately* depleted by the influx of foreigners? No, its a *cumulative* impact. They didn’t know the extent of their displacement until much later, when it was impossible to go back to the old ways.

    Singing the national anthem and flying the flag at school makes eveyone there “Australian”, even if they’re all Indians, Vietnamese and Lebanese? They might be citizens of the nation-state “‘Australia”, but they are not and can never be “ethnic Australians”.

    Ask a Chinese person (one of your many, many Chinese friends perhaps) whether a *Turk* who dons Chinese clothes, learns to speak and write Chinese and eats Chinese food is suddenly considered a true-blue Chinaman. They will give you a look you’ve probably never seen before.

    My question about Thailand was hypothetical. I wasn’t asking for comment on Thailand’s actual immigration (if they even have any). Nor was I asking for your opinion if *you* thought it was beneficial, but what your response would be to *Thai* people who had a problem with it.
    Would you call them racist Nazis, or would you show some sympathy for their concerns?

    If you guys are so convinced that the Joel Panzerfausts of the world are so insignificant, why all the fuss? We can hardly be “full” of racists if there are so few of them.

    As for website popularity, I don’t see you winning any awards for “most popular” any time soon. (At least my site isn’t built from a template).

    • My question about Thailand was hypothetical. I wasn’t asking for comment on Thailand’s actual immigration (if they even have any). Nor was I asking for your opinion if *you* thought it was beneficial, but what your response would be to *Thai* people who had a problem with it.
      Would you call them racist Nazis, or would you show some sympathy for their concerns?

      FYI: I’d still call them Nazis & what not… different circumstances though.. and circumstances aren’t skin colour/race dependent.

    • “Did Aborigines cultural freedoms *immediately* depleted by the influx of foreigners? No, its a *cumulative* impact. They didn’t know the extent of their displacement until much later, when it was impossible to go back to the old ways. ”

      What? Thousands were killed and their rights taken away. Their way of life dramatically changed, and they were treated like savages. “They didn’t know the extent of their displacement…”? Are you fucking high?

      “Singing the national anthem and flying the flag at school makes eveyone there “Australian”, even if they’re all Indians, Vietnamese and Lebanese? They might be citizens of the nation-state “‘Australia”, but they are not and can never be “ethnic Australians”.”

      It’s up to the individual as to what they want to call themselves, Shockadelic. But the point was that even though one in every two people is either a migrant or a direct descendant of a migrant, they still happily sing the national anthem while looking at the Australian flag, and this is nationwide and applicable to more than just the school environment. You are still yet to identify one liberty or freedom that has been taken away or legislated against as a result of immigration.

      “Ask a Chinese person (one of your many, many Chinese friends perhaps) whether a *Turk* who dons Chinese clothes, learns to speak and write Chinese and eats Chinese food is suddenly considered a true-blue Chinaman. They will give you a look you’ve probably never seen before.”

      Australian citizens from China have the option of calling themselves Australian, Chinese, Australian-Chinese or whatever the fuck they want. All that matters is that they live and abide by our laws (which the majority do), and that they positively contribute to society in some way.

      “My question about Thailand was hypothetical. I wasn’t asking for comment on Thailand’s actual immigration (if they even have any). Nor was I asking for your opinion if *you* thought it was beneficial, but what your response would be to *Thai* people who had a problem with it.
      Would you call them racist Nazis, or would you show some sympathy for their concerns?”

      Well you didn’t make that very clear at all. I would have the same response for intolerant Thai nationalists that I have for intolerant Australian nationalists. If immigration is something that benefits the country you live in, then you’re not being very patriotic by opposing it.

      “If you guys are so convinced that the Joel Panzerfausts of the world are so insignificant, why all the fuss? We can hardly be “full” of racists if there are so few of them.”

      They’re not insignificant at all. I don’t care how many of them there are, they are an embarrassment to our country and our people, and we must identify ourselves as proud Australians who do not share the views of people like this. Joel (Buckley) first came to light at this blog in regards to his comments on Muslim people. He is shit scared of them and wants them to fuck off home, despite the fact that less than 1.3% of our overall population actually identify as Muslim. So, ‘why all the fuss’?

      “As for website popularity, I don’t see you winning any awards for “most popular” any time soon. (At least my site isn’t built from a template).”

      A thousand hits per day is fine with me for a blog in its first year. And yeah, your site isn’t built from a template but it’s just a slab of pissweak images aligned to the centre of a white background. Great coding there genius!

    • If you guys are so convinced that the Joel Panzerfausts of the world are so insignificant, why all the fuss? We can hardly be “full” of racists if there are so few of them.

      1. He’s a racist. He’s a racist in our ADF. Totally unacceptable and tantamount to treason. The ADF has a Code of Conduct, he breaches it.

      As for website popularity, I don’t see you winning any awards for “most popular” any time soon. (At least my site isn’t built from a template).

      TAB isn’t after awards. TAB is after naming and shaming the idiots who pollute social media and use it to defame minorities.

      An eight-year-old could build a better website than you have. Then again I suppose your audience of knuckle-draggers are happy to look at Teabagger and Klan stuff and fink it’s reel kool.

  36. antibogan, I didn’t ask you about Chinese-Australians. I asked you whether a *Turk* could be considered “Chinese” just because he *says* he is. You deliberately ignore this, because you know the answer and it completely destroys your belief that “anyone can be anything just because they say so”. I’m not talking about the nationality on your passport, I’m talking about *ethnicity*. If you don’t understand the difference, you shouldn’t bother opening your mouth on this subject.

    “You are still yet to identify one liberty or freedom that has been taken away or legislated against as a result of immigration”
    Again you are confusing my personal freedom with ‘ethnic rights’ which are communal. These rights exist in international protocols. They are supposed to apply to *ALL* peoples, not just those with darker skin. Look it up.

    Two freedoms you have tried to take away are free speech and association, by inventing the ‘crimes’ of ‘vilification’ and ‘discrimination’.
    You cannot say anything critical of any ethnic group, even if the criticism is valid, or even ciriticise immigration itself, without being threatened with prosecution. You cannot exclude anyone from your private associations or personally-funded businesses, which *should* be you own private affairs.
    As usual, these laws are applied in a ‘reverse racist’ manner, only applicable when Whitey does it. You cannot create an association that’s just for Anglo-Australians, but of course you can create an association that’s just for Greeks, Koreans or Samoans. And every Chinese restaurant is permitted to *only* hire Chinese staff.

    “Australian citizens from China have the option of calling themselves Australian, Chinese, Australian-Chinese or whatever the fuck they want” But can they call themselves ‘Australian’ when applying for dole payments, but ‘Chinese’ when joining the Chinese-exclusive business association? You betcha! But Scott, Joel and I can only call ourselves ‘Australian’ (never ‘White Australian’) and must let everyone else join our private club.

    “I don’t care how many of them there are, they are an embarrassment to our country.” Plenty of people are embarassing. You being one. That ‘freedom’ thing you claim to love so much allows people to be what you consider wrong, or stupid, or false. People aren’t perfect. That’s life, get over it.

    Thailand. “If immigration is something that benefits the country you live in”. Why do presume it can only benefit, and never be detrimental? Why does opposing radical demographic change in your homeland make you ‘intolerant’? Are Thai people supposed to ‘tolerate’ *anybody* moving into Thailand, no matter how different they may be? If they object they’re Nazis. I suppose the Aborigines were Nazis then, because the British certainly brought a lot a ‘benefits’ with them, like agriculture and the wheel.

    This is the flaw at the core of your whole perspective. You seem to think people should blindly accept anything and everything *regardless* of the context.
    All these cultures you claim to love, but apparently have no respect for, cannot exist if you mix them all together.
    Different cultures only exist, and can continue to exist, if they are somewhat separate. That doesn’t mean isolationism.
    As has been pointed out, cultural information can be transmitted worldwide today without a single person migrating anywhere.
    Books, musical recordings, films, art prints. All available at a keystroke on your computer. Tired of that recording? Throw it away. But you can’t ‘throw away’ millions of immigrants once they enter your land. Just ask one of your many, many Aboriginal friends.

    “A thousand hits per day”. 1% from you and your two best friends, Josh and Ben. The other 99%, people actually looking for a different website (or bumper stickers).

    Josh, *being* ‘a racist’ isn’t ‘conduct’, its an opinion. Conduct is *behaviour*. Has Joel behaved/acted/conducted himself inappropriately? What has he *done*.
    What ‘Klan’ stuff is on my website? And what’s wrong with the Tea Party? Do you like high-taxing wasteful government? Compilcated website design doesn’t make a site better, just annoying.

    • “antibogan, I didn’t ask you about Chinese-Australians. I asked you whether a *Turk* could be considered “Chinese” just because he *says* he is. You deliberately ignore this, because you know the answer and it completely destroys your belief that “anyone can be anything just because they say so”. I’m not talking about the nationality on your passport, I’m talking about *ethnicity*. If you don’t understand the difference, you shouldn’t bother opening your mouth on this subject.”

      First of all, we are talking about Australia. If a Turk migrates here, and is granted citizenship, they then have the right under Australian law to refer to themselves as a Turk, an Australian, a Turkish-Australian or an Australian Turk. Over 93% of Australians recognise Australia as a multicultural country, and recognise the passage to citizenship. And most people agree that if a person lives here, works here, follows our laws and contributes to our society in a positive way, they are considered Australian – regardless of their country of birth.
      As for your hypothetical(s) about China and Thailand, they aren’t relevant I’m afraid. We are talking about what makes a person legally Australian. We are talking about whether people from other countries can be ‘considered’ Australian. So yes, a person CAN be considered Australian if he/she wants to be – if they have citizenship here. It’s not a difficult concept.

      “Again you are confusing my personal freedom with ‘ethnic rights’ which are communal. These rights exist in international protocols. They are supposed to apply to *ALL* peoples, not just those with darker skin. Look it up.”

      I want to know why you white supremacists see migrants as a threat to Australian culture. It is something none of you dead shits is ever able to clarify. I’m really not sure what you’re talking about on this one – are you referring to rights granted to migrants in Australia that somehow diminish the rights of white Australians?

      “Two freedoms you have tried to take away are free speech and association, by inventing the ‘crimes’ of ‘vilification’ and ‘discrimination’.”

      In Australia, you don’t have the right to discriminate on the basis of race, sexuality, religion, gender or disability. Australians haven’t had that right since 1970. I assume you’re late 40s early 50s. So it’s a ‘right’ you probably only had for a short period of your childhood.

      “You cannot say anything critical of any ethnic group, even if the criticism is valid, or even ciriticise immigration itself, without being threatened with prosecution. You cannot exclude anyone from your private associations or personally-funded businesses, which *should* be you own private affairs.”

      Let’s look at your fucked up rant, one point at a time. ‘You cannot say anything critical of any ethnic group…’. No you fucking can’t, because nothing is applicable to every member of an entire race. What kind of criticism of an entire race is valid? Immigration itself is always critiqued on the basis of its impact on our economy and living standards. It is only when immigration is criticised because of the xenophobia accompanying the ethnicity of the people arriving here that it becomes an issue of racism. Kevin Rudd had issues with immigration during the GFC enough to halve our immigration intake over a two year period and he wasn’t called racist. And as for excluding people from your private associations or personally funded businesses – it happens all the time you dumb shit! Statistics have shown that people with foreign names are up to 14 times less likely to get a job in Australia compared to an Anglo sounding name! Employers have the right to choose the person who is best for the job. If employers want to ignore someone who is potentially the best candidate because of a racial concern, that’s their loss.

      http://people.anu.edu.au/andrew.leigh/pdf/AuditDiscrimination.pdf

      http://www.omi.wa.gov.au/publications/submissions/Attracting%20&%20Retaining%20a%20Skilled%20Workforce.pdf


      “As usual, these laws are applied in a ‘reverse racist’ manner, only applicable when Whitey does it. You cannot create an association that’s just for Anglo-Australians, but of course you can create an association that’s just for Greeks, Koreans or Samoans. And every Chinese restaurant is permitted to *only* hire Chinese staff.”

      Fairness isn’t always about everyone having the same on their plate. Opportunity in this country is heavily biased towards anglo-centric Australians. Institutionalised racism and discrimination are embedded in society to the point where people need support mechanisms. Tell me one race-based organisation operating for a minority group that grants opportunities that white Australians do not already have access to. If an autistic child in a school classroom needs a dinosaur toy to motivate him to work, is it fair to let him have it and refuse it to other children who are not in his position of disadvantage? Of course it is. Is it fair to provide funding subsidy for wheelchair purchase to a disabled man, but make able-bodied people face the full cost? Of course it is. Is it fair to provide Aboriginals with free and additional health services when statistics suggest that they face more serious and common health issues and a significantly lower life expectancy to non-Aboriginal people? Of course it is.

      ““Australian citizens from China have the option of calling themselves Australian, Chinese, Australian-Chinese or whatever the fuck they want” But can they call themselves ‘Australian’ when applying for dole payments, but ‘Chinese’ when joining the Chinese-exclusive business association? You betcha! But Scott, Joel and I can only call ourselves ‘Australian’ (never ‘White Australian’) and must let everyone else join our private club.”

      Please – name a club that white Australians aren’t allowed to go into. Did you know that white Australian Christians are allowed to attend Islamic schools? Yep. Did you know that white Australians are allowed to enter Tongan dance classes? Yep. But what white Australians want to? Not many at all. That’s why it’s not an issue and every time a wanker like you starts whinging about things like ‘Chinese-exclusive business associations’, you need to ask yourself – why the fuck do you want to join a ‘Chinese-exclusive business association’ in the first place? Are there no other ‘business associations’ that you can join? Of course there are! Many! Even though I have no idea what you’re talking about when you talk about ‘business associations’…

      ““I don’t care how many of them there are, they are an embarrassment to our country.” Plenty of people are embarassing. You being one. That ‘freedom’ thing you claim to love so much allows people to be what you consider wrong, or stupid, or false. People aren’t perfect. That’s life, get over it.”

      I don’t know which point of mine you’re addressing here. But rest assured, people like you are the embarrassment to our country. See, there’s a reason why political parties pushing for a halt in immigration never get voted into parliament…

      “Thailand. “If immigration is something that benefits the country you live in”. Why do presume it can only benefit, and never be detrimental? Why does opposing radical demographic change in your homeland make you ‘intolerant’? Are Thai people supposed to ‘tolerate’ *anybody* moving into Thailand, no matter how different they may be? If they object they’re Nazis. I suppose the Aborigines were Nazis then, because the British certainly brought a lot a ‘benefits’ with them, like agriculture and the wheel.”

      If immigration to Thailand was more detrimental than beneficial, I wouldn’t be celebrating it, I’d probably be opposed to it! In Australia, there are hundreds of reports that conclude that immigration is more beneficial than detrimental. And furthermore, it’s odd that you talk about ‘radical demographic change’. While Australia accepts around 170,000 migrants per year, we also lose 120,000 permanent residents each year as they emigrate overseas. The birth rate in Australia also easily outweighs the immigration rate. And, like the fuckwit you are, you try to compare the complete takeover and destruction of the Aboriginal people along with their culture and societies with immigration that is implemented to address skills shortages and an aging population. When people migrate here, they don’t kill hundreds and thousands of Aussies, nor do they destroy their culture or impose any societal changes. Fuck you’re stupid.

      “This is the flaw at the core of your whole perspective. You seem to think people should blindly accept anything and everything *regardless* of the context.”

      Your arguments consist only of flaws. Don’t talk to me about argument flaws you fucking arse hat.

      “All these cultures you claim to love, but apparently have no respect for, cannot exist if you mix them all together.”

      What? Huh? What the FUCK are you talking about? I said nothing about my feelings towards other cultures. I have respect for cultural freedom in a secular democratic society. There’s a big difference. You have no idea which aspects of different cultures I or anyone else on here opposes. Different cultures can exist together. But take a look at yourself. You are part of the problem. You are so strongly opposed to other cultures. I am part of what you claim is impossible. I have demonstrated an ability to live harmoniously with people from other cultures. Do you understand this?

      “Different cultures only exist, and can continue to exist, if they are somewhat separate. That doesn’t mean isolationism.”

      You are far from an expert on this subject, and your opinion is worth shit. Don’t talk like you speak the gospel. You express an intolerant perspective, and this is the full extent of your presence.

      “As has been pointed out, cultural information can be transmitted worldwide today without a single person migrating anywhere.”

      We don’t have a multicultural society because we want cultural information. We have a multicultural society because we are supposedly friendly, inclusive and supportive of people from all walks of life. ‘For those who’ve come across the seas, we’ve boundless plains to share…’, right? Immigration is beneficial to society, more than it is detrimental, and you will be hard pressed finding any sources that suggest otherwise. Of course there are problems with certain aspects of immigration, but these boil down to either being issues with state and federal infrastructure and planning, or issues with selfish, intolerant xenophobes like yourself who see yourself as superior despite having achieved very little in comparison to great white people of history.

      ““A thousand hits per day”. 1% from you and your two best friends, Josh and Ben. The other 99%, people actually looking for a different website (or bumper stickers).”

      Sorry, didn’t know you had access to Google statistics on this webpage. Needless to say, you’re wrong, as usual.

      “Josh, *being* ‘a racist’ isn’t ‘conduct’, its an opinion.”

      Publicly expressed racist opinions are unlawful in this country under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.

    • Can a Turk be considered chinese if he/she says he/she is? Why not lol? China and Turkey have relatively good relations. Naturalised Chinese people exist too, so it’s not inconceivable for a Turkish person to get naturalised. (On a related note, given there are ethnic groups of turkic descent in China, a person with typically Turkish (or at least non-Han) features wouldn’t seem too out of place.)

      I’d also like to add that I think that Chinese or other cuisine restaurants are hiring on the basis of being multi or bilingual, not race. Pretty important if your clientele are more comfortable speaking X or Y. You sure like to bring up China heaps.

      Immigration is continuing to happen and has not adversely affected my life or the lives of anyone I know. Chill out man. If there are issues, then immigration will get curbed, as antibogan desribed below (or above, I dunno where this post will end up) in response to the GFC. Stop being so threatened by everything. And now I must go back to cramming for exams :(.

  37. [blockquote]You cannot exclude anyone from your private associations or personally-funded businesses, which *should* be you own private affairs.[/blockquote]

    You can hang out with any consenting adults you like in private. You can even practice your perversions with consenting adults in private. But expect the law to act if you want to go public.

    Your businesses are subject to government regulation, as they should be. After all if you expect the taxpayer to fund your deductions then you are obliged to conduct an ethical business. Ethical businesses do not discriminate either in employment or in trade with customers and clients.

    [blockquote]But Scott, Joel and I can only call ourselves ‘Australian’ (never ‘White Australian’) and must let everyone else join our private club.[/blockquote]

    No one would want to. Believe me.

    [blockquote]Josh, *being* ‘a racist’ isn’t ‘conduct’, its an opinion. Conduct is *behaviour*. Has Joel behaved/acted/conducted himself inappropriately? What has he *done*.[/blockquote]

    Being a racist is “conduct” whether you like it or not. Identifying yourself as a member of one of the branches of the ADF then acting in a manner contrary to the traditions and regulations of that body is a criminal act whether you like it or not.

    Defence Act 1903

    DEFENCE ACT 1903 - SECT 84
    Penalty for bringing contempt on uniform
    
                 (1)  Any person who wears any uniform of the Defence Force, or any dress having the appearance or bearing any of the regimental or other distinctive marks of any such uniform, in such a manner or under such circumstances as to be likely to bring contempt upon that uniform, shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding $200.
    
                 (2)  An offence under this section is an offence of strict liability.
    
    Note:          For strict liability , see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code . 
    Publication:Royal Australian Navy Leadership Ethic
    
    2.4. Leadership should epitomise professional ideals of which the nation can
    be proud. Bluntly, ‘the bad person cannot be a good sailor, soldier, or airman’.Bad people have no place in Australia’s armed forces.

    And I’ll tell you why. Because someone who is a declared racist and who is put in charge of weapons puts himself and his comrades at risk. Because someone who is a declared racist will allow that to override the respect he should have for his comrades and for his superior officers. Because someone who is a racist has no place in our modern diverse ADF.

    • Oh and here’s the relevant section of the Commonwealth Crimes Act 1914.


      CRIMES ACT 1914 - SECT 30A
      Unlawful associations

      -------

      (3) In this section:

      "seditious intention" means an intention to use force or violence to effect any of the following purposes:

      ....................

      (d) to promote feelings of ill‑will or hostility between different groups so as to threaten the peace, order and good government of the Commonwealth.

  38. Josh, hello, ‘multi-culturalism’ itself, by every definition, is a threat to the peace, order, and good government of our Commonwealth!

  39. How is there a “modern diverse ADF”??? How is there a modern ADF at all? Remember, it was once the A.I.F! The Australian Defence Forces are still overwhelmingly made up of genuine White/Australians. The masses of foreigners coming here do so to make money, to take advantage of this society that has been thrown open to them…they, by and large, have NO interest in serving it or much less dying for it.
    History dictates as well anyway, that once a nation begins to depend on foreigners for it’s defence, then it’s shortly game over for the whole enterprise.

  40. I don’t mind taking to task the arrogance, errors, spite, idiocy, and lunacy of multicultists on my own…but it’s good to see someone else, Shockadelic, schooling and running rings around you as well!

  41. Yeah, “history dictates” that, which is why the why Japan, South Korea and Switzerland today are such unfree, non-sovereign, third-world dumps, isn’t it?
    Game Over. What a joke.

    Also, that’s quite irrelevant. US, UK and Canada all have armies in which people who aren’t “genuine” whites serve in large numbers. I don’t see anything close to a game over for them.

    These soldiers aren’t foreigners, you moron. Your government knows that because it doesn’t eat it’s own brains for breakfast. “White” isn’t a nationality.
    By your logic, it’s completely alright to have a newly arrived Bosnian in the military (because they’re white), but not a third generation Chinese guy (because he’s not white). It’s actually those sort of policies which cause a game over situation.

    Seriously Scott, don’t worry your pretty little head about things outside the purview of your comprehension ability. You only make a fool of yourself if you try. Go make yourself pretty for your boyfriend. You need to get laid.

  42. Forget your brash insults Natasha, they cannot conceal how wrong you, or the multicult agenda you sell your soul to, is.

    It started almost as though you were agreeing with me (and the truth), in that Japan, South Korea, and Switzerland are racially homogenous, mono-cultural, sophisticated (under the auspices of the West in the case of the first two) sovereign nations…as Australia is/was!

    You think the game isn’t nearing over for the U.S, U.K, and Canada? Wake the hell up! EACH of these countries is racing towards White minority status…or worse…very soon!
    The U.S was the model for what is going on elsewhere in the Western world, and is near total collapse, the U.K has gradually been turned into a near Thirr-World nation because of massive non-White immigration, Canada is getting fucked by massive immigration and enforced “multi-culturalism”.
    These ‘places’ are still moving on sheer momentum and the grounding of their core White civilisation and population…but if things are allowed to progress further as is? Game, entirely, over!

    I never said that White is a “nationality” – you typical, pig ignorant, venomously spiteful, paint by numbers liberal – White, or Caucasian, is a race, and is the race of the people, society, and civilisation that founded and created the United Kingdom, the United States, and Canada.
    White is a race, the highest race.
    All non-British, or non-French, ‘immigrants’ to these countries are FOREIGNERS!

    I really don’t know how multi-cultists can juggle such ridiculous contradiction. With one breathe you go on about “changing” White/Western countries by replacing their populations with foreigners, with “diverse cultures”…and then try and deny that these new-comers are “foreigners” at all!

    Why mention Bosnia? Bosnia, and the wider Balkans, have been completely FUCKED by centuries of different races, ethnicities, nationalities, states, empires, and cultures walking over them!
    Do you seriously think that the Bosnians, of any current description, would welcome masses of Chinese into their armed forces?
    For goodness’ sake…wake up!

    The Chinese army is MASSIVE! They also will NEVER welcome large numbers of foreigners into their country or army.
    There’s already enough inter-ethnic trouble within greater China…even amongst peoples who have historical presence there.

    It’s staggering the degree of ignorance in each liberal/leftist/multicultist…it’s amazing how much you also like to show it off!

    I give less than a fuck about seeming a “fool” to a bunch of foolish leftists, who’ll hate any White person who speaks up for their people and country anyway.
    My abilities in comprehension are beyond reproach!
    I would sincerely like to get laid…and so much more…but unless you’re offering, shut the fuck up about it!

    • Always with the “you hate white people that speak up for their country” comeback. It’s not true, you made that up. I’m pretty sure nobody posting here hates all white people. I don’t hate white people, I’m just appalled by people (of any colour) that spout hate for others based on something that doesn’t deserve it, and people that think they are better than others based on their skin colour.

      And you call somebody “pig ignorant”, followed by “venomously spiteful”…….. Sounds kind of hypocritical to me.

  43. Whatever way it’s turned around, put together, added up, whatever way it’s “defined” Freddy…the process of ‘multi-culturalism’…which involves the dismantling and fracturing of once cohesive and confident White/Western nations, and loosely piecing together divided, crowded populations/markets of alien races, divergent nationalities, incoherent languages, and clashing cultures…IS a dire threat to the peace and good order of that society, and IS entirely orchestrated by sinister forces, for sinister aims!

  44. Well, it’s frigginnnnn well true!
    Do you think people aren’t noticing it across Western Europe, Britain, North America and Australia?????
    This downright hatred of their own people, by White liberals? Not to mention the evil forces that hold their dog-leashes?

    You can’t try and pass it off as some misunderstood affection can you? These insults, offences, and threats that are liberally poured out all over any White man or woman who speaks up for their people and society?

    No, it’s obvious both the insanely self-destructive bent of the liberal, and their total hatred of their own race and civilisation.

    Fostered, of course, by those engineering all this

  45. antibogan, stop quoting my text as if you’re actually responding to anythiing I say. Since you can’t even understand the difference between nation-state citizenship and ETHNICITY, there’s no point even bothering with you anymore.

    Natasha, Japan and South Korea has foreigners serving in their defence forces? There’s virtually no immigration allowed in either country, so I don’t see how that’s possible. Both countries are ethnically homogenous with harldy any minorities.
    Switzerland hasn’t got a defence force, does it? It relies on citizen miltias (yes, every male citizen is *required* to own a gun!).
    Switerland is White, and while it is often touted as a ‘mutlicultural’ success, the German, Italian, French and Romansch are not all mized together, but occupy informally segregated communties.

    harbl Can a Turk be considered chinese if he/she says he/she is? Why not lol? (This response basically admits you consider ethnicity meaningless)
    China and Turkey have relatively good relations (Irrelevant).
    There are ethnic groups of turkic descent in China, a person with typically Turkish (or at least non-Han) features wouldn’t seem too out of place.
    Ah, so racial features do matter! Gotcha! Yes, he could blend in with the *Turkic* people, but not the *ethnic* Chinese. This is something I don’t dispute. I have no problem with people of *related* ancestries merging together.
    Nor would I have a problem with *any* peoples merging together, if there was clear indication of *consent* by the *majority*, and the merger was *mutual* (not a one-way street).
    No such majority consent has ever been sought in the white nations currently being irreversibly changed by immigration. Nor is mutual demograhic change welcomed in the lands of the ‘coloured’ people. In fact, they resisted and rejected Europeans for centuries, even today.

    Josh, “seditious intention”? Where exactly is the “intention to use force or violence” in Joel’s photos. If Joel borught “contempt on uniform” he would be fined $200, not dismissed from the force.

    • “antibogan, stop quoting my text as if you’re actually responding to anythiing I say. Since you can’t even understand the difference between nation-state citizenship and ETHNICITY, there’s no point even bothering with you anymore.”

      Wow, I destroyed the fuck out of all of your arguments, and this is your response? LOL! You can do better than that, SURELY.

      “Since you can’t even understand the difference between nation-state citizenship and ETHNICITY, there’s no point even bothering with you anymore.”

      Oh dear… Let’s go back to what you asked me, shall we? ““antibogan, I didn’t ask you about Chinese-Australians. I asked you whether a *Turk* could be considered “Chinese” just because he *says* he is. You deliberately ignore this, because you know the answer and it completely destroys your belief that “anyone can be anything just because they say so”. I’m not talking about the nationality on your passport, I’m talking about *ethnicity*. If you don’t understand the difference, you shouldn’t bother opening your mouth on this subject.””

      You asked if a *Turk* could be *considered* (by the people of China) to be *Chinese* because he says he is. I said forget about China, a *Turk* can be *considered* an Australian (by the people of Australia) if he has Australian citizenship. As I said, over 93% of Australians recognise that we are a multicultural country and acknowledge the citizenship passage.

      So in other words, ethnicity means FUCK ALL if a person has achieved Australian citizenship. It doesn’t matter where the person was born. If they have achieved Australian citizenship, their ethnicity is NO LONGER RELEVANT, and they can be *considered* Australian, if that is what they choose to call themselves. Once again, they may choose to call themselves Turkish, Australian, Turkish-Australian, Australian-Turk. The fact of the matter is that our Government, and our people consider ethnicity/country of origin IRRELEVANT if the person has achieved citizenship.

      “Australian citizenship is an important step in your migration story. Becoming an Australian citizen means that you are making an ongoing commitment to Australia and all that this country stands for. It is also the beginning of your formal membership of the Australian community. It is the step that will enable you to say ‘I am Australian’.”

      http://www.citizenship.gov.au/should_become/

      Now… How about you address some of the issues I raised, instead of dodging an arse kicking with a ‘antibogan you will never understand so I’m giving up’ excuse?

      * I want to know why you white supremacists see migrants as a threat to Australian culture. It is something none of you dead shits is ever able to clarify.
      * In Australia, you don’t have the right to discriminate on the basis of race, sexuality, religion, gender or disability. Australians haven’t had that right since 1970. I assume you’re late 40s early 50s. So it’s a ‘right’ you probably only had for a short period of your childhood.
      * ‘You cannot say anything critical of any ethnic group…’. No you fucking can’t, because nothing is applicable to every member of an entire race. What kind of criticism of an entire race is valid? Immigration itself is always critiqued on the basis of its impact on our economy and living standards. It is only when immigration is criticised because of the xenophobia accompanying the ethnicity of the people arriving here that it becomes an issue of racism. Kevin Rudd had issues with immigration during the GFC enough to halve our immigration intake over a two year period and he wasn’t called racist. And as for excluding people from your private associations or personally funded businesses – it happens all the time you dumb shit! Statistics have shown that people with foreign names are up to 14 times less likely to get a job in Australia compared to an Anglo sounding name! Employers have the right to choose the person who is best for the job. If employers want to ignore someone who is potentially the best candidate because of a racial concern, that’s their loss.

      http://people.anu.edu.au/andrew.leigh/pdf/AuditDiscrimination.pdf

      http://www.omi.wa.gov.au/publications/submissions/Attracting%20&%20Retaining%20a%20Skilled%20Workforce.pdf
      * Fairness isn’t always about everyone having the same on their plate. Opportunity in this country is heavily biased towards anglo-centric Australians. Institutionalised racism and discrimination are embedded in society to the point where people need support mechanisms. Tell me one race-based organisation operating for a minority group that grants opportunities that white Australians do not already have access to. If an autistic child in a school classroom needs a dinosaur toy to motivate him to work, is it fair to let him have it and refuse it to other children who are not in his position of disadvantage? Of course it is. Is it fair to provide funding subsidy for wheelchair purchase to a disabled man, but make able-bodied people face the full cost? Of course it is. Is it fair to provide Aboriginals with free and additional health services when statistics suggest that they face more serious and common health issues and a significantly lower life expectancy to non-Aboriginal people? Of course it is.
      * Please – name a club that white Australians aren’t allowed to go into. Did you know that white Australian Christians are allowed to attend Islamic schools? Yep. Did you know that white Australians are allowed to enter Tongan dance classes? Yep. But what white Australians want to? Not many at all. That’s why it’s not an issue and every time a wanker like you starts whinging about things like ‘Chinese-exclusive business associations’, you need to ask yourself – why the fuck do you want to join a ‘Chinese-exclusive business association’ in the first place? Are there no other ‘business associations’ that you can join? Of course there are! Many!
      * If immigration to Thailand was more detrimental than beneficial, I wouldn’t be celebrating it, I’d probably be opposed to it! In Australia, there are hundreds of reports that conclude that immigration is more beneficial than detrimental. And furthermore, it’s odd that you talk about ‘radical demographic change’. While Australia accepts around 170,000 migrants per year, we also lose 120,000 permanent residents each year as they emigrate overseas. The birth rate in Australia also easily outweighs the immigration rate. And, like the fuckwit you are, you try to compare the complete takeover and destruction of the Aboriginal people along with their culture and societies with immigration that is implemented to address skills shortages and an aging population. When people migrate here, they don’t kill hundreds and thousands of Aussies, nor do they destroy their culture or impose any societal changes.
      * Different cultures can exist together. But take a look at yourself. You are part of the problem. You are so strongly opposed to other cultures. I am part of what you claim is impossible. I have demonstrated an ability to live harmoniously with people from other cultures.
      * ‘For those who’ve come across the seas, we’ve boundless plains to share…’, right? Immigration is beneficial to society, more than it is detrimental, and you will be hard pressed finding any sources that suggest otherwise. Of course there are problems with certain aspects of immigration, but these boil down to either being issues with state and federal infrastructure and planning, or issues with selfish, intolerant xenophobes like yourself who see yourself as superior despite having achieved very little in comparison to great white people of history.
      * Publicly expressed racist opinions are unlawful in this country under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.

      What say you, shit-for-brains?

  46. It’s a conspiracy, Scott. The browns and blacks and yellows of the world are out to GET you. Woo. The US, UK and Canada turning are turning into White Minority countries, Scott. Whites will die out. The superior race. Extinct Scott, extinct. It’s the Illuminati! The Zionists! They’ll kill us scott, we know too much! Help, Scott! SCOTT! SCOTT!!

    Jesus effing Christ!

    Switzerland isn’t homogeneous, you fool. They are racially homogeneous but not at all culturally so. Ever been there? Of course you haven’t, or you wouldn’t have made that piss weak argument. Did you know that they have four national languages? For a country that small, that’s enough diversity, isn’t it?

    At the very least, don’t try to preach econ to me. It’s my core competency and I suspect that YOU need and some Economics 101 lessons. Are you trying to tell me that immigration is causing financial ruin? And how, pray? Any specifics? Or is it once again “they’re coming to GET us”?

    Get some fucking perspective, for chrissakes! Just so you know, the US of A is fighting a war halfway across the frigging world, upholding commitments to allies, maintaining a military that projects force across five continents and ALSO recovering from a recession which is the worst ever since the Great Depression (Oh, but the Zionists did that, how could I forget?). Tell me a single time in the past when they could have managed that!

    At this point of time, the US, UK and Canada have faltered only marginally from ALL TIME HIGH figures of prosperity and human development. The faltering is due to the global recession (the global recovery from which has been partly facilitated by China and rising giants like India and Brazil). Keep your Fox News style pop economics to yourself.

    Just FYI, Indians and Chinese people in the United States have a median income of more than $90,000 pa. MUCH higher than the median income of the “highest race”. They also have lower incarceration rates and education levels far higher than the national average. This means that they pay much higher taxes and contribute more to society.

    Your knowledge of European history is woefully inadequate. The slavic countries were “FUCKED” not by minorities but by fanatic leaders who were hell bent on “cleansing” the minorities. Let me point out that to a casual reader, that would seem like just a slightly more extreme form of exactly what you and your redneck buddies advocate – “fuck off to your own country”.

    The Chinese army? Tell me, Scott. How many anglos do you think want to join the Chinese army? How many white foreigners ARE there in China? How many whites are interested in moving to china? You make a ridiculous point. People don’t migrate to Equatorial Guinea. Does that mean they’re xenophobic and racist too?

    You still need to get laid by your boyfriend. And don’t get your homophobic panties in a bunch.
    You are an outsider here (since the definition of outsider is subjective). As TAB says so eloquently, fuck off, we’re full of racists. You’re not needed.

  47. Shockadelic,
    I didn’t say that Japan, Switzerland and South Korea have foreigners in their militaries and that’s not what Scott said either.
    I said they DEPEND on actual foreigners (Americans and such) for their security.

  48. The inherent contradictions of ‘multiculturalism’:
    1. confusing individuals with groups.
    2. presuming liberal principles devised *within* Western civilisation also apply to artificially *introduced* cultural practices.
    3. denying that cultures of the majority white ethnic group has superior *rights* (not because they think they’re better).
    4. Most important, ignoring the human life only makes any sense in a *context*.
    Your individual life and actions only makes any sense because of the culture you live in. The cultural ‘life’ of immigrants made sense *in their homeland*, not elsewhere. Taken out of that context, their actions are meaningless.
    The context of individual lives in their culture, the context of a culture is its history. These histories are specific to peoples and places. You can’t just take ‘this’ out ‘that’ context and still have it *mean* anything.
    Even if you rebel against your culture (dada, beatniks), your rebellion only makes sense because of the *context* of your actions.

    Multiculturalism is context-less existence, and therefore encourages meaningless lives. It is, at heart, nihilistic.

  49. “Informal Segregation” just means that they tend to live near each other. I’ve been to Switzerland and yes, there are specific localities where different communities are in the majority. But that’s neither a law, nor is it a general rule followed by an overwhelming majority. Let me point out that most multicultural cities have areas heavily populated by specific ethnicities. (Chinatown exists in nearly all multicultural cities in the Western world for example).

  50. Josh, “seditious intention”? Where exactly is the “intention to use force or violence” in Joel’s photos. If Joel borught “contempt on uniform” he would be fined $200, not dismissed from the force.

    Publicly associating with the likes of the APP brings dishonour to anyone who identifies himself as a member of any ADF branch.

    This story is from 2005. You will find that attitudes in the ADF towards blatant racism have hardened since then. Not every instance makes the media and ADF personnel outed as racists tend to resign voluntarily rather than have their racism permanently on the record.

  51. So you are saying that this so-called context can only exist within one’s own country. What rubbish.

    It’s the white supremacists who confuse individuals with groups.

    “I am white, therefore I’m superior to the Indian dude even though he has two professional degrees and makes £100,000 a year while I’m a dropout. That’s because he’s from a shithole third world country and backward race”
    Racism is the enemy of a merit based society.

    Making someone a citizen is like giving them a gift. Once you’ve given the gift, you have no right to claim that gift back.

  52. Josh, this is a democracy. APP is a registered party. And what’s APP got to do with Josh’s nipple photo?

    Natasha. “Informal Segregation” just means that they tend to live near each other.”
    And why? because they’re ‘people like me’, that natual instinct of all human beings who haven’t been indoctrinated with utopian fantasies.

    “Let me point out that most multicultural cities have areas heavily populated by specific ethnicities. (Chinatown exists in nearly all multicultural cities in the Western world for example).”
    Um, whose case are you arguing again? This just goes to show how *difficult* it is for unrelated peoples to truly mix together. Multicullturalism is swimming upstream.

    “So you are saying that this so-called context can only exist within one’s own country. What rubbish.”
    Does Turkish culture come from Turkey? Thai culture from Thailand? “Rubbish”?
    Thai culture could not exist without the particular history of an ethnic people named “Thai” who live in “Thailand”. In *that context*, everything they do makes sense. Take that exact same cultural reality (of individuals) to Turkey and it ceases to be ‘reality’ and becomes fantasy/delusion as it no longer has ANY CONTEXT!!!

    You know nothing about white supremacists. None would ever claim *every* White individual is superior to *every* individual of another race. DOn’t speak about things youno nothing of. You just embarrass yourself.

    “Making someone a citizen is like giving them a gift. Once you’ve given the gift, you have no right to claim that gift back.”
    Who suggested this? We are objecting to them arriving in the first place. There should be no ‘gift’ to take back. They won’t give us White Devils the same gift. Why is it Whites must give, give, give? But non-Whites can look after their own interests.

    We must help them? Why? Not so long ago, *white* people were living in slums, with no education, malnourished.
    WE did something about that. WE pulled ourselves up by our own bootstraps.
    Why are other people incapable of doing the same? Why are their ‘bootstraps’ our responsibility? They fought for ‘independence’. They got it. Yet they still want to suckle at whitey’s teet? Hypocrites!

    • Josh, this is a democracy. APP is a registered party. And what’s APP got to do with Josh’s nipple photo?

      Freudian slip on your part there old boy. No way you’ll be seeing my nipples.

      Despite your own fantasies, the only photos of Beefcake Buckley which interest us are the ones where he is wearing Navy combat fatigues which show him to be a serving member of the RAN. Whether Reserve or Regular it does not matter. He still brings his uniform, the Service and his country into disrepute.

  53. Who gives a shit if Japan and Korea don’t particularly want to encourage immigration? That hasn’t stopped them from engaging in activities which aren’t part of their traditional culture … South Korea are a very successful footballing nation. A South Korean plays for the English-based Manchester United. Football/soccer isn’t an ‘Asian’ game – but they love it nonetheless.

    Similarly with Japan: they have a strong footballing scene. They also play music from all over the world, from Jamaican to jazz to Brazilian – and they do it very damn well too !

    Both countries have embraced aspects of ‘Western’ culture. Loads of Japanese and Koreans speak English and Christianity is the dominant religion in Korea. Scott and Cockadelic will probably argue that it’s proof of superior Western culture… I disagree. More like they see, feel, hear a good thing when they see it. Much like we love Asian food or martial arts.

    In my view it’s about time these shit-for-brains fuckheads are banned … They’re a waste of fucking space and pathetically entertain themselves with their shitty delusions of superior races etc. The evidence against their Nazi-kind of racist theories have been completely ignored. If they were rationally questioning immigration or even indeed multiculturalism as a policy, I could handle that. But it’s their ‘white superiority’ crap which is just beyond the pale. Piss off wankers !

    I’ve asked Scotty the ball sucker a number of times to explain why, if he has such issues with Asians, he’s befriended so many lusty-looking Asian women on Facebook – he’s yet to answer this. I guess he’s simply a perverted loser. I’ve pointed out to him that according to biological science, an organisms’ strength isn’t found in its body or so-called intelligence – it’s in their capacity to breed. Scotty hasn’t breed and it seems for good reason. He’s a thick, deluded stay-at-home-with mum depressive tosser who probably pulls himself over his virtual Asian ‘friends’ in between posting his “I’m racially superior” crap here. Get life dickhead.

  54. Is it possible for you people to discuss something without vulgar expletives every second sentence?

    Josh “the only photos of Beefcake Buckley which interest us are the ones where he is wearing Navy combat fatigues which show him to be a serving member of the RAN”.

    Really. Well that photo doesn’t show any indication of Joel’s political inclinations. It’s the nipple photo that has the apparent SS flag/poster, in which he is wearing nothing but a *towel* (not his uniform). Unless towels are considered part of the official uniform, he can’t even be fined $200, let alone dismissed from duty.

    Ordem e Progresso is doing a Natasha and arguing *my* case instead of yours.
    If Korea can embrace football and Christianity, and Japanese can dig that jazz, man, *WITHOUT* immigration, then your case is void. This *proves* you don’t need immigration to share culture.

    Australians embraced surfing back in the bad old White Australia days.
    This happened *without* the need for thousands of Hawaiians to move to Sydney’s beach suburbs.
    Australians have embraced various Black American musical styles from jazz to rock to soul to disco, *without* thousands of Black Americans migrating to Australia.
    There was also a tremendous popularity of Latin American music and dance in the White Australian 1950s. So much for the suburban ‘xenophobia’ theory.

    If each ethnic group remains in their homelands, they can still embrace cultural elements from elsewhere (accepting the bits they like and rejecting the rest), without radically transforming the actual ethnic demographics of their region.

    This isn’t just about ‘Whites’. When you mix people together, *both* peoples are changed. Despite what Public Enemy would have you believe, white woman and black man do not make ‘black’ babies. They make semi-black, pseudo-black, kinda-black babies.

    You think mixing people together will eliminate ‘waycism’? Exhibit A: Brazil.
    Brazil has been mixing for centuries, and independant of European rule since 1822.
    Has this created come wonderful utopia of freedom and equality?
    Brazilians have over *130* different names for skin colour, and the lighest people are the richest. Sad face.

    • “Brazilians have over *130* different names for skin colour, and the lightest people are the richest.”

      Really? Please cite the academic studies that compare thousands of people’s income to their their skin tone. I’m not sure that Pele and hundreds of other black Brazilian professional soccer stars are good evidence for that suggestion.

      Even if it is true, you are confusing the cause and its effect. Modern Brazil was created on the backs of African slaves and slavery was not abolished there until 1850. As Richard M Nixon (of all people) pointed out, in every country on earth, for every undeserving person who has inherited wealth from their parents, there are scores of people who will never be wealthy, though no fault of their own. It takes more than 160 years to fix the inequalities that a system of slavery _is_specifically_intended_to_ create.

    • “Really. Well that photo doesn’t show any indication of Joel’s political inclinations. It’s the nipple photo that has the apparent SS flag/poster, in which he is wearing nothing but a *towel* (not his uniform). Unless towels are considered part of the official uniform, he can’t even be fined $200, let alone dismissed from duty.”

      No, it’s not the pictures and profile name changes that suggest that he is a neo-Nazi that will get him into any form of trouble, it is his discriminatory public comments about Middle Easterners and Muslims, and his admittance to being involved in ‘kicking lefty butt’ in a police intervened rally in Newtown, Sydney. His interest in German militia just thickens his plot.

      “Ordem e Progresso is doing a Natasha and arguing *my* case instead of yours.
      If Korea can embrace football and Christianity, and Japanese can dig that jazz, man, *WITHOUT* immigration, then your case is void. This *proves* you don’t need immigration to share culture.”

      Australia’s immigration policy doesn’t exist because successive governments have needed cultural sharing. How fucking thick are you? Immigration exists to address issues such as skills shortages and an aging population.

      “Australians embraced surfing back in the bad old White Australia days.
      This happened *without* the need for thousands of Hawaiians to move to Sydney’s beach suburbs.
      Australians have embraced various Black American musical styles from jazz to rock to soul to disco, *without* thousands of Black Americans migrating to Australia.
      There was also a tremendous popularity of Latin American music and dance in the White Australian 1950s. So much for the suburban ‘xenophobia’ theory.”

      Blah blah blah. Once again, successive Australian governments don’t set levels of immigration based on which cultures we want more of.

      “If each ethnic group remains in their homelands, they can still embrace cultural elements from elsewhere (accepting the bits they like and rejecting the rest), without radically transforming the actual ethnic demographics of their region.”

      Only xenophobes and white supremacists give a shit about the ethnic composition of suburbs. If people come here after having been born in another country (or have family who have moved here), that’s not the issue. They are considered Australian citizens and are accepted into society based on their adherence to our laws and contribution to our communities.

      “This isn’t just about ‘Whites’. When you mix people together, *both* peoples are changed. Despite what Public Enemy would have you believe, white woman and black man do not make ‘black’ babies. They make semi-black, pseudo-black, kinda-black babies.”

      Who gives a shit?

      “Brazilians have over *130* different names for skin colour, and the lighest people are the richest. Sad face.”

      Sorry, where is your evidence?

      Note: As you have now ignored two opportunities to engage with me in previous discussions because of a complete inability to do so, your third refusal will see your disappearance from this blog.

      _______________________________

      “antibogan, stop quoting my text as if you’re actually responding to anythiing I say. Since you can’t even understand the difference between nation-state citizenship and ETHNICITY, there’s no point even bothering with you anymore.”

      Wow, I destroyed the fuck out of all of your arguments, and this is your response? LOL! You can do better than that, SURELY.

      “Since you can’t even understand the difference between nation-state citizenship and ETHNICITY, there’s no point even bothering with you anymore.”

      Oh dear… Let’s go back to what you asked me, shall we? ““antibogan, I didn’t ask you about Chinese-Australians. I asked you whether a *Turk* could be considered “Chinese” just because he *says* he is. You deliberately ignore this, because you know the answer and it completely destroys your belief that “anyone can be anything just because they say so”. I’m not talking about the nationality on your passport, I’m talking about *ethnicity*. If you don’t understand the difference, you shouldn’t bother opening your mouth on this subject.””

      You asked if a *Turk* could be *considered* (by the people of China) to be *Chinese* because he says he is. I said forget about China, a *Turk* can be *considered* an Australian (by the people of Australia) if he has Australian citizenship. As I said, over 93% of Australians recognise that we are a multicultural country and acknowledge the citizenship passage.

      So in other words, ethnicity means FUCK ALL if a person has achieved Australian citizenship. It doesn’t matter where the person was born. If they have achieved Australian citizenship, their ethnicity is NO LONGER RELEVANT, and they can be *considered* Australian, if that is what they choose to call themselves. Once again, they may choose to call themselves Turkish, Australian, Turkish-Australian, Australian-Turk. The fact of the matter is that our Government, and our people consider ethnicity/country of origin IRRELEVANT if the person has achieved citizenship.

      “Australian citizenship is an important step in your migration story. Becoming an Australian citizen means that you are making an ongoing commitment to Australia and all that this country stands for. It is also the beginning of your formal membership of the Australian community. It is the step that will enable you to say ‘I am Australian’.”

      http://www.citizenship.gov.au/should_become/

      Now… How about you address some of the issues I raised, instead of dodging an arse kicking with a ‘antibogan you will never understand so I’m giving up’ excuse?

      * I want to know why you white supremacists see migrants as a threat to Australian culture. It is something none of you dead shits is ever able to clarify.
      * In Australia, you don’t have the right to discriminate on the basis of race, sexuality, religion, gender or disability. Australians haven’t had that right since 1970. I assume you’re late 40s early 50s. So it’s a ‘right’ you probably only had for a short period of your childhood.
      * ‘You cannot say anything critical of any ethnic group…’. No you fucking can’t, because nothing is applicable to every member of an entire race. What kind of criticism of an entire race is valid? Immigration itself is always critiqued on the basis of its impact on our economy and living standards. It is only when immigration is criticised because of the xenophobia accompanying the ethnicity of the people arriving here that it becomes an issue of racism. Kevin Rudd had issues with immigration during the GFC enough to halve our immigration intake over a two year period and he wasn’t called racist. And as for excluding people from your private associations or personally funded businesses – it happens all the time you dumb shit! Statistics have shown that people with foreign names are up to 14 times less likely to get a job in Australia compared to an Anglo sounding name! Employers have the right to choose the person who is best for the job. If employers want to ignore someone who is potentially the best candidate because of a racial concern, that’s their loss.

      http://people.anu.edu.au/andrew.leigh/pdf/AuditDiscrimination.pdf

      http://www.omi.wa.gov.au/publications/submissions/Attracting%20&%20Retaining%20a%20Skilled%20Workforce.pdf
      * Fairness isn’t always about everyone having the same on their plate. Opportunity in this country is heavily biased towards anglo-centric Australians. Institutionalised racism and discrimination are embedded in society to the point where people need support mechanisms. Tell me one race-based organisation operating for a minority group that grants opportunities that white Australians do not already have access to. If an autistic child in a school classroom needs a dinosaur toy to motivate him to work, is it fair to let him have it and refuse it to other children who are not in his position of disadvantage? Of course it is. Is it fair to provide funding subsidy for wheelchair purchase to a disabled man, but make able-bodied people face the full cost? Of course it is. Is it fair to provide Aboriginals with free and additional health services when statistics suggest that they face more serious and common health issues and a significantly lower life expectancy to non-Aboriginal people? Of course it is.
      * Please – name a club that white Australians aren’t allowed to go into. Did you know that white Australian Christians are allowed to attend Islamic schools? Yep. Did you know that white Australians are allowed to enter Tongan dance classes? Yep. But what white Australians want to? Not many at all. That’s why it’s not an issue and every time a wanker like you starts whinging about things like ‘Chinese-exclusive business associations’, you need to ask yourself – why the fuck do you want to join a ‘Chinese-exclusive business association’ in the first place? Are there no other ‘business associations’ that you can join? Of course there are! Many!
      * If immigration to Thailand was more detrimental than beneficial, I wouldn’t be celebrating it, I’d probably be opposed to it! In Australia, there are hundreds of reports that conclude that immigration is more beneficial than detrimental. And furthermore, it’s odd that you talk about ‘radical demographic change’. While Australia accepts around 170,000 migrants per year, we also lose 120,000 permanent residents each year as they emigrate overseas. The birth rate in Australia also easily outweighs the immigration rate. And, like the fuckwit you are, you try to compare the complete takeover and destruction of the Aboriginal people along with their culture and societies with immigration that is implemented to address skills shortages and an aging population. When people migrate here, they don’t kill hundreds and thousands of Aussies, nor do they destroy their culture or impose any societal changes.
      * Different cultures can exist together. But take a look at yourself. You are part of the problem. You are so strongly opposed to other cultures. I am part of what you claim is impossible. I have demonstrated an ability to live harmoniously with people from other cultures.
      * ‘For those who’ve come across the seas, we’ve boundless plains to share…’, right? Immigration is beneficial to society, more than it is detrimental, and you will be hard pressed finding any sources that suggest otherwise. Of course there are problems with certain aspects of immigration, but these boil down to either being issues with state and federal infrastructure and planning, or issues with selfish, intolerant xenophobes like yourself who see yourself as superior despite having achieved very little in comparison to great white people of history.
      * Publicly expressed racist opinions are unlawful in this country under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.

      What say you, shit-for-brains?

  55. Well, YOU take it upon YOUR-selves to speak for US…Australians…in claiming that “WE” accept multi-culturalism, that “WE” consider our race and society to be redundant, that “WE” feel eternal guilt for everything ever, that “WE” have no right to Australia, that “WE” should dissolve into the shadows, that “WE” have no exceptional qualities or right to integrity of identity…you feel no qualms in brashly claiming that “WE” are tolerant of any and every growing insult to us and our country, that “WE” speak hundreds of different languages, that “WE” are multi-cultural/multi-racial now!
    Yeah, you on the Left, you liberals and multicultists, have no hesitation whatsoever about arrogantly speaking for all Australians and saying what “WE” are, or accept, now!

    I speak for the truth!

    • There is no political divide for the concept of multiculturalism you idiot. It has been a drive of successive conservative and progressive governments for the past 50 – 60 years.

      “…claiming that “WE” accept multi-culturalism…”

      I’ve previously provided you with evidence that shows that 93% of Australians acknowledge that Australia is multicultural. I’ve also provided you with evidence suggesting that one in two Australian citizens was either born overseas, or has relatives that were born overseas.

      “…that “WE” consider our race and society to be redundant…”

      Progressives and socialists generally believe that ethnicity is irrelevant and that society is anything but redundant. If you can’t see just how much of the Australian culture (that you continue to refuse to define) has been upheld over the past two centuries while we embrace other cultures then you really are living under a rock. Not only have you been unable to describe what freedoms we’ve lost to multiculturalism, but you’ve also been unable to describe how our culture is no longer valued in society by giving any example whatsoever. You’re also unable to define what constitutes Australian culture.

      “…that “WE” feel eternal guilt for everything ever…”

      Acknowledging the wrongs of the past and sharing a sense of sorrow for those that have lost so much, and continue to feel the effects of previous governmental policies is not the same as feeling guilt. You are clearly one of those unintelligent fucks who didn’t understand the apology. If my grandfather killed your grandfather, I’d probably say to you that I was sorry for what happened, and that I’d like to do all that I can to ensure that I show you respect and that I don’t want that kind of thing to happen again to future generations. If my grandfather killed your grandfather, I wouldn’t be saying sorry for anything that I was personally responsible for, but I would be expressing a sorrow and a sympathetic, representational apology for previous actions at the hands of someone who I was somehow linked to. If your dad died tomorrow, people would probably come up to you and say ‘I’m so sorry for your loss, Scott’. Would you suddenly beat them up at their admittance of being responsible? No.

      “…that “WE” have no right to Australia…”

      What the fuck? What rights, services and freedoms have you lost access to, Scott?

      “…that “WE” should dissolve into the shadows…”

      When you care so deeply about something as shallow as the colour of your skin, then yes, you should definitely dissolve into the shadows. The thing that really bugs me is that you keep harping on about whites being so damn superior and pioneering. But be that the case or not, YOU have done nothing at all. YOU have achieved nothing. YOU fail to contribute in any way to society. YOU are a family burden, and a succubus on our taxpayer funded assistance coffers. And this is the most obvious example that suggests that everything you’ve said until this point is completely VOID, because even though you may be part of the master race by default, you are less successful than most migrants to this country.

      “…that “WE” have no exceptional qualities or right to integrity of identity…”

      No, you cannot suggest that white people are all exceptional. Not at all. No fucking way. There are white people who over-achieve, and there are white people that under-achieve. There are people who are born into opportunity, (Prince William), and there are people who are born into poverty and depravity, like half of the population of your home town of Melton. None of your neighbours will ever achieve what Prince William has achieved, nor will any of you have that kind of power, or influence, or education, and the list goes on. To assume that white people are automatically better than any non-white person to migrate to Australia is absolute baloney. You carry on about white people inventing electricity and computers, well sure. But that is just IRRELEVANT. Do you think any person living in Sudan right now is going to ever have access to University laboratories or governmental grants or research teams in order to find a cure for cancer? Of course not. Those with the opportunity and the means will be the ones who make the discoveries. So depriving people from coming to Australia where they will receive qualilty education and healthcare and social assistance is only going to give more people that opportunity. YOU have had those opportunities, Scott. YOU’VE lived here all your life and achieved NOTHING. So don’t fucking carry on about the exceptional qualities of whites, or the creator of the first computer. You will find that the origin of mathematics, which is the basis of the functionality of a CPU, is the product of a non-white mind, thousands of years ago.

      “…you feel no qualms in brashly claiming that “WE” are tolerant of any and every growing insult to us and our country…”

      Allowing people to migrate to Australia is not an insult to our country. Insulting those that have come here from abroad, and denying that they had any involvement in the building of this nation is brash, to say the very least.

      “…that “WE” speak hundreds of different languages…”

      If you had any idea about the education system, you would realise that ESL (English as a Secondary Language) is pushed in all schools across the nation, publicly, privately and in the independent sector. The only people in this country that cannot speak English are a select few who have migrated here during this lifetime from a country that didn’t speak English. All second generation migrants can speak English. All second generation migrants from non-English speaking countries are bilingual at the very least. When you hear other languages, this does not mean that the people speaking do not speak fluent English at all. You have no business listening to other people’s conversations. If a person can speak English when necessary, then I personally don’t give a fuck what they speak when talking with their friends.

      “I speak for the truth!”

      You’re a FUCKWIT of the highest order. You have nothing, and you’ve achieved nothing. You’re a national embarrassment. Your views do not represent the views of the people we’ve elected into power, nor do they represent the views of the people who voted them there. FUCK OFF.

  56. All nonsense, bunkum, vague claims, and aggressive lies…of a smug, snide, spoiled traitor…who hates his people, mocks his country…and vainly tries to cover it over.

    You got one thing right…the move to eliminate the Australian people from Australia has been a gradual process brought about the elements of “progressive” government over the last 50-60 years.
    Deceitfully, and connivingly.
    With things only becoming more apparent in the last five to ten years.
    This is all utterly in spite of, and to the total detriment of, the Australian people.

    So-called ‘multi-culturalism’ is a complete insult to, and assualt against, Australia and the Australian people.

    None of your badgering, distortions, wild claims, heated delivery, or lies, can gloss this over.

    Australians can, and should, raise a voice, and make a stand, against such a plan.
    We still have the ability and opportunity, to reverse this enforced “multi-culturalism”, and the reverse the damage wrought by it.

    • Conservative AND progressive political parties have raised levels of immigration over the past 50 – 60 years Scott.

      Now, in response to this, most recent pointless rant of yours.. Can you see that absolutely none of what you say is EVER backed up with any form of evidence? Can you see that everything you say, from ‘…to the total detriment of the Australian people…’, to ‘…reverse the damage wrought by [multiculturalism]…’ is nothing but your opinion?

      There are hundreds of research papers and factual analyses that show that there are more benefits from immigration than detriment. And you’ve been provided with many examples by me, and by other posters to this blog.

  57. All nonsense, bunkum, vague claims, and aggressive lies…of a smug, snide, spoiled traitor…who hates his people, mocks his country…and vainly tries to cover it over.

    Describing yourself again Snotty?

  58. Ooh, if I don’t submit to Mr Antibogan’s Kremlin Kommands I’ll be ‘purged’! Typical Commie. I knew there’d be no way of ever getting through to you.

    I’ve tried answering your muddledheaded waffle that says in 6000 words what could be said in 20.
    Perhaps you can *briefly* summarize (I doubt it) the points you think were *not* addressed, as I can’t be bothered reading your diatribes all over again.

    “Australia’s immigration policy doesn’t exist because successive governments have needed cultural sharing. How fucking thick are you? Immigration exists to address issues such as skills shortages and an aging population.”

    Again with the compulsory vulgarity.
    If ethnicity is irrelevant than it’s also nothing to be ‘proud’ of or ‘celebrate’ as some vital benefit to our society, or requiring the donations of public funds to ‘ethnic’ bodies.

    If ethnicity is irrelevant, we could just as easily choose White European immigrants with the skills we need. They would find it easier to adjust.
    I find it very hard to believe that Third World countries have *better* training/education facilities than First World countries.

    Immigration does not address aging. In fact, it makes it worse, as the average age of the immigrant population is higher than the native.
    They’ve already lived half their productive life elsewhere, so they’ll contribute only half what an Australian would. This is a net benefit?
    If we need younger people, why aren’t we encouraging more local births?
    All the public money spent on ethnic organisations and services could be redirected to this purpose.
    If ethnicity is ‘irrelevant’, life experience certainly is not. People raised in Australia (whatever colour) know how our society works. They don’t need to start from scratch at age 37, like an immigrant does.

    The Channel4 Documentary “Is It Better to Be Mixed Race?” is the source of the statement about Brazil. (And no, the doc wasn’t made by Nazis. It limply attempted to ‘prove’ the affirmative).

    Whether Whites are ‘superior’ or not is irrelevant. Even if White Australians were the worst people in the world, they would still have the right to maintain their own ancestry, culture, identity and homeland.
    This will become increasingly difficult to do as we are reduced from 90% of the population to 65%, then 50%, 40%, 30%, 20%, 10%… Eventually we would have as little say in what happens in “Australia” as the Aborigines.
    You say people are disadvantaged as minorities. Well, we won’t have any ‘white privilege’ when we’re a minority. How well do you think we’ll be treated by the non-White majority nursing chips-on-the-shoulder for ‘past wrongs’?
    Fancy going back to living in slums? Take a look at Eveleigh Street, Redfern on Google Maps. There’s our future when we’re 2%. Fantabulous!

    I don’t hate other cultures or peoples. You’re the one dismissing their distintiveness as ‘irrelevant’. I think the disctintions between peoples are *very* relevant, and if you bothered to actually speak with any of them, they’d probably think so too.

    What I ‘hate’ is the *imposition* of change, one-way non-mutual irreversible change, when Australians have never really been consulted or consented.
    There’s been concensus by both sides of politics about immigration policy.
    So what third option were we given? When someone finally *tried* to raise this issue, her party and herself were harassed and misrepresented in the media, with the same kinds of labelling occuring here: Anyone who raises the issues of ethnicity/culture/race and its effect on the nation’s future is labelled a ‘fascist/Nazi’ and debate is *silenced*.

    If you are so convinced of multicultural immigration’s popularity and endorsement (93%!) then let’s have a plebiscite and get an *official* thumbs up from ‘the people’ (that’s who democracy is supposed to represent, not utopian ideologists).
    Plebiscite 1: Do you want permanent immigration stopped for the next 10 years?
    Plebsicite 2: If and when immigration begins again, should immigration be restricted to persons of European ancestry?

    If ‘we’ truly endorse your position, you have nothing to fear.

    • “If ethnicity is irrelevant than it’s also nothing to be ‘proud’ of or ‘celebrate’ as some vital benefit to our society, or requiring the donations of public funds to ‘ethnic’ bodies.”

      Where did I say that ethnicity is nothing to be proud of?

      “If ethnicity is irrelevant, we could just as easily choose White European immigrants with the skills we need. They would find it easier to adjust.”

      Immigrants to Australia come from (top three) England, New Zealand and Canada.

      “Immigration does not address aging. In fact, it makes it worse, as the average age of the immigrant population is higher than the native.”

      Some have argued that immigration levels can be increased to address population ageing.

      Because migrants are predominantly of workforce age, migration will assist in keeping up workforce growth. Moreover, if they are skilled they will raise general skill levels and productivity.

      “This is in fact happening. The Government recognises that the greatest gains to Australia come from young skilled migrants, and has shifted the balance of Australia’s Migration Program from less than 30 per cent skilled in 1995-96 to more than double that proportion in 2002-03.”

      A recent Australian National University study found that net migration of 180,000 a year would add a full 10 percentage points to growth in gross domestic product per capita.

      And research by Access Economics shows that every permanent migrant adds $20,000 to the budget bottom line over their first four years. For one year’s intake, this presently represents more than $3.6 billion.

      Skilled migrants account for more than 90 per cent of this contribution.

      “I find it very hard to believe that Third World countries have *better* training/education facilities than First World countries.”

      Not sure where I said or even implied this.

      “If we need younger people, why aren’t we encouraging more local births?”

      http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/baby_bonus_rates.htm

      “If ethnicity is ‘irrelevant’, life experience certainly is not. People raised in Australia (whatever colour) know how our society works. They don’t need to start from scratch at age 37, like an immigrant does.”

      Where did you pull that statistic from?

    • “If you are so convinced of multicultural immigration’s popularity and endorsement (93%!) then let’s have a plebiscite and get an *official* thumbs up from ‘the people’ (that’s who democracy is supposed to represent, not utopian ideologists).
      Plebiscite 1: Do you want permanent immigration stopped for the next 10 years?
      Plebsicite 2: If and when immigration begins again, should immigration be restricted to persons of European ancestry?”

      Considering roughly 50% of our population was either born overseas, or has family who moved here from overseas, it’s highly unlikely that your referendum on halting immigration for 10 years will pass.
      Why 10 years anyway? We have had over 100 years of immigration. We have had 60 years of context based immigration. Non-whites are still going to multiply during the next 10 years. And what happens after 10 years passes, and our workforce is depleting and our population has aged even further? Do we resume immigration at the current level of around 170,000 per annum? And what do we do about the 120,000 people permanently leaving Australia each year? That’s 1.2 million people gone. 1.2 million people who pay taxes and contribute to our economy.

      Well thought out.

  59. Exactly, exactly, exactly, good on you Shockadelic!
    The ills and errors of multicultism, and the lies of those pushing it, are all obvious…they do, however, still need them all pointed out to them though!

    There has never been any form of vote or referendum put to the Australian people on immigration…which is actually about the very make-up of the population of their very own country…this is staggering.
    There has been a complete policy of silence, a blackout declared on all discussion or debate, agreed on by most political parties – who are allegedly there to represent the Australian people- and businesses and industries that would all profit from a massive skyrocketing of a multi-racial “Australian” population.
    This is so incredible, so outrageous, that the people of a country, the people who are a nation…have not been consulted or given any say in the possibility of total change in the racial make-up of their society!
    This is occurring in several other White/Western nations at present, but it has no historical precedent whatsoever.
    It is made to look, from the outside, that for the first time in history the people of a successful society and civilisation are wilfully giving it away and voluntarily committing racial suicide.
    This is not the case, but the deviance of those who would author this destruction and transformation broker the lines of communication, strangle dissent.

    Any vote/referendum on immigration and race in Australia must be put directly, and only, to native White/British Australians…NOT the “50%” who were, allegedly, born overseas or are the children of such. It’s not their country and people’s very future at stake.

    Don’t hinge things so completely, ‘anti-bogan’, on this hyperbole that so many people currently residing here were born overseas, or are the children of such, or how much taxe they pay (?) or any other such rot. It’s not their society, their country, they’re not us. As easily as they waltzed in here…they can be repatriated.
    Go back and help the “economy” in their own country.

    You, and your neo-communist multicult ilk, cannot also now claim that you haven’t said that race or ethnicity doesn’t matter in terms of Australia, and that you conversely idolise foreign races and ethnicities.
    For you’ve done so, repeatedly.
    Apparently, according to multicult logic (?), it’s only by ‘chance’ that anyone is ever born White, and born in Australia, or Britain, it’s only a happenstance, we had no choice in it…and so, allegedly, we then have no right to cherish and honour our own people, culture, and society, we have “no right” to claim that heritage and to honour and further it.
    Concurrently though, race and ethnicity os of VITAL importance when it comes to the hordes of immigrants being brought in here…they are ‘colouring’ the place, making it more “interesting”, creating “diversity” etc etc etc.
    They’re race and ethnicity is to be protected – with great lengths gone to do so – and “their” cultures (even far from the source) are to be endlessly celebrated, espoused, kow-towed to, and funded through the roof!

    All nonsense…insulting, outrageous, contradictory, paradoxical, nonsense.

    Were we to be one of the lowest, the worst, of peoples on Earth (but we’re not, we’re one of the best), would still not be an issue…our right to total integrity of identity, sovereignty, and existence, would be paramount.

    There’s much to be lost with the aggressive moves towards the total racial breakdown, replacement, division, and restructuring of Australia.
    Smug, snide traitors like yourself might only wake up to that too late, if at all.
    This is not – our very existence and future is not- to be left up to either the corrupt politicians and businessmen who would profit and control from it, NOR the snide, callous, brainwashed liberal/leftists/marxists/multicultists who would hysterically rub their hands in glee over us and it disappearing.
    No.

    Australians must take front and centre in the decisions about their own, our own, future!

    • “There has never been any form of vote or referendum put to the Australian people on immigration…which is actually about the very make-up of the population of their very own country…this is staggering.”

      When political parties stand for a halt to immigration, and then fail to get any votes, you can consider that a response from the Australian voting public.

      “There has been a complete policy of silence, a blackout declared on all discussion or debate, agreed on by most political parties – who are allegedly there to represent the Australian people- and businesses and industries that would all profit from a massive skyrocketing of a multi-racial “Australian” population.”

      The reason ethnicity forms no part of the debate is because assuming contribution to society is dependent on skin colour is absolutely ridiculous. You’re white, and you’re a failure and a drain on your family, and on our taxpayer money. Immigration levels are frequently reviewed – Kevin Rudd nearly halved immigration levels during the GFC. It wasn’t a racial issue.

      “…the people of a successful society and civilisation are wilfully giving it away and voluntarily committing racial suicide.”

      FOR FUCK’S SAKE Scott, you’ve had SO MANY CHANCES to explain how our culture is being eroded and how our freedoms have been taken away by migrants. You’ve got nothing. What laws have been imposed on the Australian people that takes away their rights in this country? What opportunities have the Australian people lost?

      “Any vote/referendum on immigration and race in Australia must be put directly, and only, to native White/British Australians”

      Your opinion only. The citizens and authorities and governing bodies in this country all recognise that Australian citizens have the right to call themselves Australian, and the right to be involved in any democratic processes. Would you allow a person to vote if he had two white parents, and four white grandparents and 7 white great-grandparents and 1 black great-grandparent? You’re a fuckwit.

      “Go back and help the “economy” in their own country.”

      Scott, you are a drain on our economy. I’d like you to leave this country and never return. You’re a 40 year old failure with no job and no future. All you do is watch TV all day.

      “You, and your neo-communist multicult ilk, cannot also now claim that you haven’t said that race or ethnicity doesn’t matter in terms of Australia, and that you conversely idolise foreign races and ethnicities. For you’ve done so, repeatedly.

      If you’re going to put words in my mouth, then have the decency to quote me. Have I asked this of you before? Yes, a million times. I’ve said many times that countries of origin are irrelevant in the citizenship process, but I’ve never outlined any heightened admiration for any other races or cultures.

      “Apparently, according to multicult logic (?), it’s only by ‘chance’ that anyone is ever born White, and born in Australia, or Britain…”

      That is true. Did you choose the country of your birth, Scott?

      “All nonsense…insulting, outrageous, contradictory, paradoxical, nonsense.”

      Opinion.

      “Smug, snide traitors like yourself might only wake up to that too late, if at all.”

      YOU are the smug, snide traitor. You claim unjustified heirachy of rights in this country because of the colour of your skin, yet you contribute NOTHING to society and you take our taxpayer funded money, giving nothing back.

      “Australians must take front and centre in the decisions about their own, our own, future!”

      Policies crafted by the political parties that we democratically vote for are formed by the levels of interest by the voting public. Take a look at how many people were concerned about issues such as aged assistance and mental health care before the last election. The government and coalition both announced that they would dramatically boost funding beyond historical levels.

  60. Where did I say that ethnicity is nothing to be proud of?
    You intimate it by saying ethnicity is irrelevant. You seem to think you have to explicitly state “X=X” before you are held to have made a statement about X. Statements have implications.

    “Immigrants to Australia come from (top three) England, New Zealand and Canada.”

    Canada?! ROFL. Well there goes your credibility. Canada gave us a whopping 12,500 permanent immigrants in the last decade and NZ just 3,500.
    China/Taiwan gave us 199,000 and India 160,000.
    The British Isles, the primary source of our migrants for almost 2 centuries, now accounts for only 17%. Such a drastic change can hardly be ‘irrelevant’ to anyone with a brain or heart.

    “Some have argued that immigration levels can be increased to address population ageing.”
    No, *you* are arguing that. And it’s bunkum. If this were the intention, we should limit it to people under 35 *only*. Otherwise, the migrants just reflect the same age range as we do.

    “A recent Australian National University study found that net migration of 180,000 a year would add a full 10 percentage points to growth in gross domestic product per capita.”
    And the *net* gain? If tax revenue goes up 10%, but the increased population means government expenditure on services *also* goes up 10%, what have we gained? More people mean more consumption/taxes, but also more public services.

    And research by Access Economics shows that every permanent migrant adds $20,000 to the budget bottom line over their first four years.
    Is everything just about money to you? This is the current situation, while the traditional Australian population keeps the society held together and functional. Wait and see how much ‘gain’ there is when the Third World immigrants are the majority.

    “I find it very hard to believe that Third World countries have *better* training/education facilities than First World countries.”
    Not sure where I said or even implied this.”
    Yes, you have implied it, by stating our immigration is skills-based, designed to address skills shortages, and most immigrants are coming from the Third World (despite your fraudulent claim to the contrary).
    Ergo: Third World must have skills we don’t have enough of in First World.
    Ergo: Third World must have better/more training than First World. ROFL!

    Baby bonus? Yeah, that’ll make such a difference. That’ll pay for, um, three weeks of nappies.

    “They don’t need to start from scratch at age 37, like an immigrant does.”
    Where did you pull that statistic from?”
    That was an *example*. Did I say that was a “statistic”? The average age is around that number, though.

    “Considering roughly 50% of our population was either born overseas, or has family who moved here from overseas, it’s highly unlikely that your referendum on halting immigration for 10 years will pass.”
    Where did you get *that* statistic from? Most Australians were born here, and many of the overseas relatives are Europeans.
    Does it occur to your that immigrants themselves might be opposed to *continuing* immigration? More immigrants mean more competition for the same jobs, rental properties, etc. They may also oppose *other* ethnicities and want a more restricted range. They may also oppose it for economic/environmental reasons, just as many Australian-born do.
    ‘Once Immigration’ does not have to mean ‘Always Immigration’.

    “Why 10 years” Why not? There’d have to be some specified timeframe.

    “We have had 60 years of context based immigration.”
    Context-based? What the hell is that? (I searched the internet, no results). Sounds more like context-less.

    And what happens after our workforce is depleting and our population has aged even further? Do we resume immigration at the current level of around 170,000 per annum? And what do we do about the 120,000 people permanently leaving Australia each year? That’s 1.2 million people gone. 1.2 million people who pay taxes and contribute to our economy.

    Depleted workforce? We won’t apparently need them, as our jobs are being offshored and human labour mechanised.

    Aging? People don’t ‘age’ forever. They *die* eventually. There are predictions for a serious influenza epidemic soon, guess who’ll die first?

    Emigrants? Around half of them were supposedly ‘permanent’ immigrants, who probably contributed little during their 5-year stay. Some are leaving precisely to escape the invading hordes.

    1.2 million less cars on the road. 1.2 million less mouths to feed. 1.2 million less showers every day. 1.2 million less garbage bins collected each week. 1.2 million less potential hospital patients. 1.2 million less ungrateful snobs. Good riddance.

    • “You intimate it by saying ethnicity is irrelevant. You seem to think you have to explicitly state “X=X” before you are held to have made a statement about X. Statements have implications.”

      Ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to Australian citizenship. That was made perfectly clear to you.

      “Canada?! ROFL. Well there goes your credibility.”

      Yes, a mistake on my part. I memorised some details regarding immigration a while back. The top three are UK, New Zealand and China. Still, over 1.6 million people coming from ‘white’ countries… Actually around 2.6 million out of a total of 4.9 million first generation migrants came from ‘white’ countries.

      “No, *you* are arguing that. And it’s bunkum.”

      No, *I* was quoting a source. And I hyperlinked you to it.

      “If tax revenue goes up 10%, but the increased population means government expenditure on services *also* goes up 10%, what have we gained? More people mean more consumption/taxes, but also more public services.”

      Are you saying that government expenditure increases at the same rate as revenue? Interesting theory…

      “Wait and see how much ‘gain’ there is when the Third World immigrants are the majority.”

      You do realise that Indians are outperforming us in our own schools and Universities, right? India is very much a developing country. What’s your issue with them? Their blackness?

      ““I find it very hard to believe that Third World countries have *better* training/education facilities than First World countries.”
      Not sure where I said or even implied this.”
      Yes, you have implied it, by stating our immigration is skills-based, designed to address skills shortages, and most immigrants are coming from the Third World (despite your fraudulent claim to the contrary).
      Ergo: Third World must have skills we don’t have enough of in First World.
      Ergo: Third World must have better/more training than First World. ROFL!”

      Do you know what is causing the skills shortage in this country? Various factors are causing a shortfall in apprenticeships and traineeships of about 25,000 positions per year. Not only that, but we have an aging population. So no, I never said that other countries have *better* or *more* training/education at all. Australia is paying its trainees and apprentices an average of $6.20 per hour in their first year, while fast food and retail pays around $7.50. Eleven years under a coalition government that cut funding to education didn’t help at all.

      “Baby bonus? Yeah, that’ll make such a difference. That’ll pay for, um, three weeks of nappies.”

      Try telling that to the families from low socio-economic backgrounds with clown car vaginas, pumping out baby after baby. The baby bonus is a $5000+ incentive for having a child. Those with decent incomes see no incentive. The baby bonus is also paid in fortnightly installments over the course of a year, not over three weeks.

      “That was an *example*. Did I say that was a “statistic”? The average age is around that number, though.”

      No, you’re wrong. The median age in Australia is 36.9. One of the three key focuses of skilled migration in Australia is to accept people lower than the national median age.

      “Where did you get *that* statistic from? Most Australians were born here, and many of the overseas relatives are Europeans.”


      “At the time of the 2006 Census, Australia’s population was 19.9 million, with nearly one in four people living in Australia born overseas. Some 45 per cent of all Australians were born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas. Of those born overseas, the United Kingdom is the largest overseas-born group (23.5 percent), followed by New Zealand (8.8 percent), China (excluding SARs and Taiwan Province) (4.7 percent) and Italy (4.5 percent).”


      “Context-based? What the hell is that? (I searched the internet, no results). Sounds more like context-less.”

      Immigration in response to the context of necessity. You and Scott seem to think immigration levels are set based on how many other cultures our government want us to experience, even though we can, as you say, experience them on the internet. Immigration prior to boom periods surrounding the Gold Rush and the Snowy Mountain Scheme were void of necessity. Australia’s immigration is now based on economic, employment, educational and population necessities.

      “There are predictions for a serious influenza epidemic soon, guess who’ll die first?”

      That’s not a question, but I’ll answer it. Those who don’t have access to adequate healthcare, or those who already suffer from health complications. Remember the minute handful of swine flu deaths from that massive pandemic that was predicted? Yeah…

      “Emigrants? Around half of them were supposedly ‘permanent’ immigrants, who probably contributed little during their 5-year stay. Some are leaving precisely to escape the invading hordes.”

      Your opinion and assumptions mean nothing.

  61. Oh great. Now we have shocky playing economist. Now shocky here *knows* his economics. People age and then *die*, thus solving any aging crises that may arise. The Third World doesn’t have top universities at all. No, their unis are incapable of producing anything beyond taxi drivers.
    The immigrants may [insert random assumption here].

    Shocky *knows* that the devious third worlders love poverty and can’t make money . So Indians are probably the least successful people around. Since they’re third world immigrants and hate Australians and are unskilled and [insert random assumption here].
    Some are [insert random assumption here]. Many are [insert random assumption here]. Don’t bother shocky with data, that annoys him. So as shocky was saying, he *knows* that [insert random assumption here].

  62. “Ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to Australian citizenship. That was made perfectly clear to you.”

    That is *your* opinion. You are a rare breed my son.

    “Actually around 2.6 million out of a total of 4.9 million first generation migrants came from ‘white’ countries.”

    In the *past*. We are discussing now, today. Only about one quarter of today’s immigrants are White. It won’t happen overnight, but the white population of not only Australia, but the ENTIRE WESTERN CIVILISATION, will be reduced to a minority. What do you think (stupid question, you *don’t* think) happens to a civilisation when the people who created it decline to a minority. Utopian Wonderland?

    “No, *I* was quoting a source. And I hyperlinked you to it.”
    If you quote a source, you are using it to back you *own* claims. Otherwise, don’t mention it.

    “Are you saying that government expenditure increases at the same rate as revenue? Interesting theory…”
    Do you know what the word “if” means?

    “You do realise that Indians are outperforming us in our own schools and Universities, right? India is very much a developing country. What’s your issue with them? Their blackness?”
    Yes, they pay for their diploma. Rubber stamp. Congratulations on being a rich brat.
    The teachers no doubt pay little attention to the evil White students, particularly males.
    My ‘issue’ with Indians is the same as all other ethnicities. They are not us, they have their own history (or actually histories). They are changing the demographics of our country, while theirs remains the same.
    Didn’t they want ‘independence’ from Whitey? If India is apparently improving economically, wwhy come here?

    “Australia is paying its trainees and apprentices an average of $6.20 per hour in their first year, while fast food and retail pays around $7.50l.”
    So your solution is to pay immigrants $6.20 per hour and leave native Australians unemployed?
    Aren’t we encouraging a ‘skills shortage’ in other countries by taking their skilled workers? Fixing our problem makes theirs worse. Brilliant! One big happy family!

    “No, you’re wrong. The median age in Australia is 36.9.”
    And what is the mean age of immigrants Mr Folder-Full-Of-Statistics?

    “Some 45 per cent of all Australians were born overseas or have at least one parent who was born overseas.
    So? That still doesn’t mean immigrants and their relatives *automatically* support continued immigration in the future.

    “Immigration in response to the context of necessity.”
    So we really needed hundreds of thousands of additional ‘workers’ during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, while more and more labour is offshored (ironically to China and India!) and mechanised.
    Necessity my arse! It’s an addiction. Our pollies are migrant-junkies.

    Natasha, to say we need immigrants educated elsewhere implies we are incapable of educating our own citizens to the same standard. This is hogwash. There also would be a far greater pool of applicants to choose from amongst the First World nations.
    And what of the brain drain to the developing world? I thought you ‘cared’ about them.

    My opinions are not ‘random’. They are not even opinions about immigrants per se. They are opinions about “peoples”, plural/collective.
    Different peoples have different histories and you can’t just whack them together like pieces from 10 different jigsaw puzzles and expect a cohesive, beautiful picture to result

    • ““Ethnicity is irrelevant when it comes to Australian citizenship. That was made perfectly clear to you.”

      That is *your* opinion. You are a rare breed my son.”

      No, it is the legislation of the Australian government. Immigration and citizenship facts are not products of my opinion at all.

      ““Are you saying that government expenditure increases at the same rate as revenue? Interesting theory…”
      Do you know what the word “if” means?”

      Yes, I know what the word ‘if’ means. Don’t excuse your poor reasoning for some kind of theory when you said it as though it was fact and you were lecturing me in economics.

      “Yes, they pay for their diploma. Rubber stamp. Congratulations on being a rich brat.
      The teachers no doubt pay little attention to the evil White students, particularly males.”

      Oh you are so full of shit. Give Sydney Boys and Girls High Schools, Fort Street High School and James Cook Agricultural High Schools a ring and find out how much the Indians are paying them for good grades. As for teachers paying no attention to white students, you’ll find that the majority of teachers in this country are white females.

      “So your solution is to pay immigrants $6.20 per hour and leave native Australians unemployed?
      Aren’t we encouraging a ‘skills shortage’ in other countries by taking their skilled workers? Fixing our problem makes theirs worse. Brilliant! One big happy family!”

      Where did I say that immigrants are being paid $6.20 per hour? And pray tell, where are ‘native’ Australians being left unemployed at the hands of migrants? Opportunity is everywhere in this country, from free and government subsidised education to housing assistance and public healthcare. You refer to skills shortages in other countries. Interesting…

      ““No, you’re wrong. The median age in Australia is 36.9.”
      And what is the mean age of immigrants Mr Folder-Full-Of-Statistics?”


      Skilled migrants exhibit a younger age profile than the Australian resident population. From 1997-98 to 2007-08, 57% of skilled arrivals (including dependents) were aged 29 years and under (DIAC Settlement Database). In contrast, 40% of the estimated Australian resident population was aged 29 years and under, as at 30 June 2008 (ABS 2008).

      “So? That still doesn’t mean immigrants and their relatives *automatically* support continued immigration in the future.”

      No but it quite probably alleviates the issue of xenophobia or racial superiority that is underpinning your opposition to immigration.

      “Necessity my arse! It’s an addiction. Our pollies are migrant-junkies.”

      Are you willing to launch into another dismal economic analysis? Regardless, we vote for our pollies. And they are from two contrasting sides in politics.

      Do you want to continue being owned? If so, reply at will.

  63. “Do you want to continue being owned? If so, reply at will.”
    To be ‘owned’ would require you to actually display some indication that these are your actual thoughts, not cut-n-paste slogans from the Kremlin Kommand Pavlovian Response Handbook On Immigration.

    “No, it is the legislation of the Australian government.”
    Legislation is based on opinion and can be changed.

    “when you said it as though it was fact and you were lecturing me in economics.”
    The word “if” implies something hypothetical, not factual.
    But if there are more people, there would *have* to be more public services expenditure. Please quote from your Book of Pavlovian Statistics showing the *net* gain from taxes *after* the additional public expenses are tallied. No? Then shut up.

    “find out how much the Indians are paying them for good grades.”
    Who cares how much? how long do you think our lucrative paid-in-advance foreign student education system would last if they didn’t pass most students? Mr and Mrs Pajistani are not going to tell their friends to send their kids to Australia if they don’t get what they paid for. Are you so naive you think, where large sums of present and future money is concerned, everything is always above board and uncorrupted? What a child.

    “the majority of teachers in this country are white females.”
    Trained like you in Standard White Hate Studies.

    “You refer to skills shortages in other countries. Interesting…”
    Well there would be if we’re taking their skilled workers, or there an *infinite* supply of skilled workers in the developing world? Perhaps they just bubble out of the ground like hot springs? You need a maths lesson in addition and subtraction?
    Add one here, minus one there. Not rocket science, eh?

    And pray tell, what exactly *are* these magical mysterious “skills” we’re so lacking in?
    I never here anyone ever *specify* what they are.
    Is there a page in your Handbook on this?

    “And what is the mean age of immigrants Mr Folder-Full-Of-Statistics?”
    You still didn’t answer this. You quote mean age for Australians, but grouped percentages for immigrants. Apples and pears.
    Perhaps the average age is younger, but you still haven’t shown this.
    The ‘aging’ problem is still not addressed when almost half the immigrants are over 29. That’s a decade into their work life, and nearing the end of their reproductive years.
    If an aging population is so serious *100%* of immigrants should be young.

    “So? That still doesn’t mean immigrants and their relatives *automatically* support continued immigration in the future.”
    No but it quite probably alleviates the issue of xenophobia or racial superiority that is underpinning your opposition to immigration.”
    Ethnic people are often quite xenophobic/racist, and most of these immigrants were European. I don’t care if we’re ‘superior’. We are different. We are a particular people with a particular history. There is no ‘universal’ people, only particular peoples, some of thom are related and some are not.
    If this were Thailand and I was Thai, I would argue the *exact same opinion* and it would have nothing to do with ‘white supremacy’.

    “Necessity my arse! It’s an addiction. Our pollies are migrant-junkies.”
    Are you willing to launch into another dismal economic analysis?”
    What does their ‘addiction’ to immigration have to do with ‘economics’? It’s a ideological addiction. Economics is just the justification, not the real motive. They simply cannot bring themselves to stop (just like a junkie) and come up with all sorts of excuses not to (just like a junkie).

    “Regardless, we vote for our pollies. And they are from two contrasting sides in politics.”
    Handbook page 67.
    The ‘two’ sides of politics haven’t been in much serious disagreement for quite a while now. Certainly on this issue.
    Vote Labor for More!. Vote Coalition for More! Some choice.

  64. Another priceless gem from shocky. “What does their ‘addiction’ to immigration have to with ‘economics’? Economics is just the justification”.

    It’s like a drug, Shocky. Your leaders need their fix

    • Did you read the part where he says that the only reason students from other countries perform well in our schools and Universities is because their parents are secretly paying off the teachers? 😛

  65. theantibogan “Note the placement of your ‘if’.”
    Yes, the beginning of the sentence. Making all that follows hypothetical

    “And overwhelming public opinion has influenced political decisions that support ongoing immigration for over 60 years.”

    To quote you Immigration Dept link:
    “In times of *sustained growth* of output and employment, the Australian community has accepted high rates of immigration.”
    And does that sound like today’s economy?

    “At all times in Australian history, announced Government policy, and views expressed by opposition leaders, have *influenced community opinion*. And at all times there has been community *caution* about continuing immigration at high levels, whatever opinions have been held about the beneficial effects of *past* immigration.”

    Caution about high levels? Past benefits don’t automatically support today’s immigration? Hogwash!

    “Peter McDonald argues that there are political limits to the absolute number of immigrants arriving each year, independently of the size of the Australian population. ‘There were difficulties’, McDonald has said, ‘when net immigration rose for just two years to over 150,000 per annum’ in the late 1980s (McDonald, 1999, p2)”.

    Difficulties? Limits? Hogwash!

    “Nevertheless, there are potential losers from the scale effects of immigration, most importantly people earning low incomes in the large cities, who do not own their own homes.”

    Losers? Hogwash!
    And we all know nobody rents in the cities, and everyone has high incomes.

    “Unemployment rates are generally *higher* for migrants than for Australian-born.”

    Unemployed migrants? Hogwash! They do the jobs no Australian will do. Everybody know that.

    “The age composition of immigrants has caused the average age of Australians
    and the proportion of old people in the total population to be *moderately lower*
    than it would otherwise have been.”

    Ooh, moderately lower! Let’s pop the champagne!

    “What was the motive for movements of native Australians out of the great
    cities almost as rapidly as migrants move in?”
    I wonder…

    “So who wins and who loses from past and current Australian immigration?”
    Duh, Everyone wins!

    “Immigrants themselves are for the most part large winners from their own
    relocation, although not necessarily from *continued* immigration of others *after* their own arrival.”
    Hogwash! Immigrants want more immigrants no matter what, end of story!

    “There are remedies for many of the adverse effects…
    The first and most important element of a remedy is to avoid recessions (Hmmmm).
    A second element is structural policies to reduce unemployment in general.
    Unemployment happens to be overwhelmingly concentrated amongst *low-skill*
    workers.”
    But let’s not train Australians to have those skills, let’s just import more immigrants, exacerbating the ‘adverse effects’ on low-skilled Australians.

    And let’s not forget:
    “The views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not
    necessarily represent those of the Department of Immigration”. Who could forget that?

    “What have I been saying about opportunity, all along, dipshit? Are you aware of the population size and density of India? Stupid church fiddler.”

    The large population of India makes their skilled workers even more valueable to *India*. They need them more than we do.
    But who cares? Let India spend its budget educating engineers, then we just take them! Excellent plan, Dr Evil.

    “Accountants, Engineers, Nurses, Health Professionals, Secondary Teachers (especially Maths, Science, Chemistry & Physics), Electricians and IT Specialists are in demand.”

    Weren’t our hospitals once filled with White Australian nurses, our schools with White Australian teachers?
    Why can’t we train Australians to do these things today? When and why did we stop?

    Following your logic, we shouldn’t spend a cent training Australians to do *anything*.
    We’ll just educate paid-in-advance foreign students, and steal any other skilled workers from their homelands too.
    We can then deport all the useless unskilled (because we didn’t bother training them) Australians to the Third World, where they can be trained and sent back again.

    “The Greens support immigration”.
    Of course, they’re Hive-Kremlin Komrades. Self-contradiction is compulsory.
    A sustainable Australia must involve artificially adding millions more First World-size carbon footprints.

    “Looks like your plebiscite will be unnecessary, seeing as though both Labor and the Coalition intend on continuing immigration at current levels.”
    All the more reason it is necessary, I would think.

    I hope your site is as popular as you claim, so people will see how rude and arrogant you are.
    I have never encountered a ruder person in my life!
    Your obnoxiousess will hopefully turn people completely off your message.
    Who’d want to be associated with such a toxic person.

    • No one ever said that we have to lie down and let the racists and bigots walk all over us. Here we can fight them back. As the One People’s Project in the US puts it – we don’t play nice.

      This site is fine. Lots of visitors, wide acceptance and makes a telling point about bigots and their ignorance, psychopathic delusion and sheer obnoxiousness. It’s also a wake-up call for the thousands who live in harmonious communities and who do not realise the nature and extent of racism and bigotry swirling under the surface like a toxic sewer.

    • theantibogan “Note the placement of your ‘if’.”
      Yes, the beginning of the sentence. Making all that follows hypothetical

      No, you’re missing the point entirely. The hypothetical ‘if’ relates only to whether or not tax revenue will increase. You ‘factually’ stated that ‘if’ it did increase, so would government expenditure on services, AT THE SAME RATE. You’re a fucking FAILURE.

      ““In times of *sustained growth* of output and employment, the Australian community has accepted high rates of immigration.”
      And does that sound like today’s economy?”

      Definitely.

      At this point, you launch into an in-depth scrutiny of a research paper comparing US levels of immigration to Australian levels, and you CHOOSE to see beyond that overwhelming evidence of direct benefits from immigration, and instead make lame, off the cuff remarks about every point in the article where it mentions the word ‘challenge’ or ‘caution’. You’re so incredibly in denial.

      ““Unemployment rates are generally *higher* for migrants than for Australian-born.””

      Institutionalised racism – do you remember the evidence I provided you with, suggesting that those living in Australia with foreign sounding names were up to 15 times more unlikely to get a position when competing with an Anglo name, despite having the same qualifications? Or have you blocked that one out too? And in addition to this, did you read the stats I provided on participation rates of skilled migrants? Probably not.

      “Ooh, moderately lower! Let’s pop the champagne!”

      It’s talking about the median age of Australians, which I told you was 36.9 years. So not only are migrants who come here and gain citizenship lowering the median age of Australians, but skilled migrants are younger still.

      “Hogwash! Immigrants want more immigrants no matter what, end of story!”

      You’re just fumbling around for an argument now. It’s pathetic and it’s taking up bandwidth.

      “The first and most important element of a remedy is to avoid recessions (Hmmmm).”

      Yeah we did that, remember?

      “Unemployment happens to be overwhelmingly concentrated amongst *low-skill* workers.””

      You do realise that refugees are in the category of ‘low-skill workers’, right? We were on the topic of skilled migrants, remember?

      “But let’s not train Australians to have those skills, let’s just import more immigrants, exacerbating the ‘adverse effects’ on low-skilled Australians.”

      My god you’re such a braindead fuck. This is the biggest reason for our skills shortage. Australians are unwilling to take up apprenticeships and traineeships, or get tertiary education, to the tune of 25,000 shortfall each year. Eleven years under a Coalition government that did nothing but axe funding to education and you get first year apprentices getting paid $6.20 an hour.

      ““The views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not
      necessarily represent those of the Department of Immigration”. Who could forget that?”

      The source came from the immi.gov website. It wouldn’t publish anything that was biased or bogus in any way.

      “The large population of India makes their skilled workers even more valueable to *India*. They need them more than we do.
      But who cares? Let India spend its budget educating engineers, then we just take them! Excellent plan, Dr Evil.”

      Do you realise what India’s industries are mostly comprised of? Agriculture, textiles, household manufacturing and IT enabled services.

      “Weren’t our hospitals once filled with White Australian nurses, our schools with White Australian teachers?
      Why can’t we train Australians to do these things today? When and why did we stop?”

      Why are you asking me these questions? Is it too hard to simply acknowledge the issues? Surely if you want the answers to these questions you can do your own research…

      “Following your logic, we shouldn’t spend a cent training Australians to do *anything*.
      We’ll just educate paid-in-advance foreign students, and steal any other skilled workers from their homelands too.
      We can then deport all the useless unskilled (because we didn’t bother training them) Australians to the Third World, where they can be trained and sent back again.”

      You couldn’t follow logic to save your life. I am a massive advocate of increasing funding to education and training in Australia. Fucking gronk. Following your logic…. Go fuck yourself.

      “All the more reason it is necessary, I would think.”

      The political parties that stood for a halt in immigration received no votes. Have you forgotten this?

      “I hope your site is as popular as you claim, so people will see how rude and arrogant you are.
      I have never encountered a ruder person in my life!
      Your obnoxiousess will hopefully turn people completely off your message.
      Who’d want to be associated with such a toxic person.”

      Go suck your dad off you dead shit inbred fuck. How’s that sound?

    • Hey Shockinglyderelict,

      I like the bit above where you have a go at TAB about saying in 6000 words what can be said in 20 – the hypocrisy is gold-class.

      I also like the bit where you got all teary-eyed about people using swear words – cry me a mother-fucking river over that one!

      I particularly like the caustic hate-filled diatribes that continously espouse and then you have the temerity to call others toxic – this hypocrisy is platinum-class.

      You wrote:

      “To quote you Immigration Dept link:
      “In times of *sustained growth* of output and employment, the Australian community has accepted high rates of immigration.”
      And does that sound like today’s economy?”

      LOL – yes it does – just because you’re unemployed doesn’t mean that the rest of us aren’t doing okay for ourselves – oh by the way – where’s *your* link then? You allude to the economy doing badly – prove it then!

      You like saying “Hogwash” a lot but you’re not doing anything in the way of backing up your argument with any references unlike TAB who consistently does.
      I don’t think you can, but I’m throwing down the challenge once more to plebs like you – quote someone to back up your argument – anyone – I’ll even accept your last compulsory reading material – the McDonalds Employees Handbook – if you can find a quote from this that backs your argument then I’ll accept that – so sorry you couldn’t hold that job down either by the way… job terminations are such a bitch!

      …To be honest – I’d actually rather you didn’t quote things – I just re-read your amazingly insane rambling response and you seem to really struggle with quotations – you probably shouldn’t have left formal education in Year 7 – it really shows…

      You wrote:

      “Weren’t our hospitals once filled with White Australian nurses, our schools with White Australian teachers?
      Why can’t we train Australians to do these things today? When and why did we stop?”

      Ever heard of a skills shortage dung beetle? Do you know how many doctors, nurses and teaches there were per head of capita previously compared to now? Got any evidence that there were enough back then? PROVE IT WITH A SOURCE!!!

      I like that your rhetorical question implies we are not training nurses and teachers here any more – Ooooooo – I better tell my friends who are currently enrolled in uni doing these courses that the better stop… even though their numbers are not sufficient to fill the demand… oh sorry – I’m talking about this notion of ‘skills shortage’ again and your mind freezes at such complicated macro-economic theories – sorry.

      You wrote:

      “Following your logic, we shouldn’t spend a cent training Australians to do *anything*.”

      Ummm – this is following your own logic and no-one elses- based of course on your inability to actually understand the notion of ‘skills shortage’.

      Incidentally and ironically, your brain function appears to be the living representation of what a skills shortage is.

      You then came up with your only semi-reasonable idea so far; albeit one that I’ve had to modify slightly:

      “We can then deport all the useless unskilled (because [they were too stupid to understand basic] training) Australians [like me], to [some uninhabited island – who really gives a fuck where it is], where they can [live forever more in their bogan paradise].”

      I think this sums up nicely what we should do with cretins like you.

      All in all you appear to be an abject failure of a human being (look – it’s actually possible to analyze someone with no racial or cultural or political overtones – amazing isn’t it) who struggles at understanding simple things like backing your argument with references and how basic economic principles work – incidentally, your “NO bananananas swapped for bananas and cotton” trading model has now been printed out and faxed to the Federal Reserve as new policy for international trade. Keynes is kicking himself in his grave that he didn’t think of that one…

      You are a laugh – get off Centrelink benefits – get a job and then perhaps you’ll get the funding together to finally complete high school. Until such time – desist from sticking your foot ever more firmly in your mouth.

  66. The antibogan says: $%*& la-de-da (&*$ arrogant %$## flippant #@$$ I’m so good (*^% I know everything but won’t answer your question *&%$$.

    Terror AUSTRALIS says; tee-te-tee-tee la-la-la do-do-do-do mum-mum-be-dum-dum tu-tu-tu-tu la-lee-la pop-de-pop pop. BLLLLLLRRRRR.

    I quoted from *your* linked report. It clearly indicated immigration is not all rosy cheeks and rainbows.
    My responses were sarcastic paraphrases of the usual pro-imm robo-slogans trotted out a million times before by the likes of you. No need to ‘cite a reference’.

    If you continue repeating such robo-slogans in future, I will demand *you* cite a reference that “proves” immigrants “do the jobs no Australian will do”, “immigrants support continuing immigration”, etc.

    Cheerio!

  67. Is he killing Jews? Is he killing Mexicans or something? Does he teach people to kill infidels, kaffirs and Christians? Who is he actually hurting? Muslims ACTIVELY FOLLOW THE Q’URAN WHICH SAYS TO terrorize and KILL ALL JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND KAFFIRS, ergo people who don’t buy into Islam.

    FREEDOM OF THOUGHT AND EXPRESSION THEREOF is SUPREME. Until it demonstrably leads to habitual and systematic death – as is the exceptional and unique case with Islam. Homosexuality kills even more through male to male aids spreading promiscuity. Ideas don’t bother me – but piles of dead bodies can’t be ignored.

    This young man adores Hitler for one reason only: He is rebelling against political correctness which is as fascist as Hitler in censoring conservative views and suppressing those who love and take pride in the extraordinary accomplishments of Christian or Aryan descendants. Why don’t you stop attacking a man willing to die for his brothers and sisters and attack a real cauldron of death: the endless hanging, amputations, beheadings, stoning of women and Q’uranic mandate to kill Jews, Christians, apostates, cartoonists and all kaffirs – that’s what the Q’uran teaches – that’s what true Muslims follow.

    Leave a young soldier alone – help fight Islam – which has killed more people, women and children than all other fascist despots combined.

  68. i wonder how many neo-nazi aussie pride retards know that
    a)australia fought against germany in ww2 not with
    b) heinrich himmler, hitler right hand man carried the Bhagavid Gita ( a hindu text) around him said it ‘helped’ him do his ‘duty’.
    c) Persians, North Indians,and Pashtuns are Aryan.

  69. redic says: “i wonder how many neo-nazi aussie pride retards know that”

    I wonder how many anti-racist retards know that
    a) America starved a million German POWS to death after the war was *over*.
    b) Japanese aren’t related to Chinese, even though they use the same writing system.
    c) Indic and Iranian peoples separated from their European brethren about 4000 years ago, so culturally they may as well be from another planet.
    d) White Australians, descended genetically and culturally from a *very specific range* of European peoples, have as much right to perpetuate their distinctive nature as the Tibetans, the South African Bushmen or the Quechua.

  70. OK, on topic with this Navy Junior Sailor.

    I was a Soldier in the Army for 15 years and like to think I have an idea of the Defence Force Discipline Act (DFDA).

    Now, as a serving member in the defence force you are not allowed to attend political rallies. You are serving the Australian people and the govt of the day.

    This navy clown has attended rallies with what would be seen as ‘extremist’ the APP.

    He has committed an offence under Section 60 of the DFDA, ‘Prejudicial Behaviour’

    Open and shut case, the more people write to Chief of Navy of to the Defence Force Chief, the better. As the Defence force will do back flips to avoid negative publicity.

    • Thanks Mike. Actually this matter was taken up with Defence Personnel at Ministerial level some time back.

      Unfortunately Defence, in fact government departments generally, do not usually broadcast any outcomes when such matters are brought to their attention.

      State education departments have been largely effective in bringing in measures which help to ensure that paedophiles are not employed in schools and colleges. Defence needs to exercise the same diligence and thoroughness.

      The ADF should be a no go area for racists and bigots.

  71. Good to hear Josh, a complaint made at the Minister level is the best way to get justice served. It must be thoroughly investigated, I imagine the Navy AB sailor would have faced both disciplinary and administrative action. Perhaps a request through the Freedom of Information Act will reveal the actions taken against this neo-Nazi.

    In my Platoon, whist serving in Afghanistan, we had blokes from all different backgrounds. It may pain the white supremacist that we we not all white.

    Instead of sitting on our arse, comfortable in Australia complaining about ‘da immigrints’ we worked together regardless of colour or background.

    In fact there are many second generation Australians of Asian heritage who see serving in the ADF as a way of thanking Australia for the opportunities it has provided them and their families. It is strongly supported by their parents too, the same people who came here on ‘a leaky boat.’

    It is a shame that bogans lack the same values and integrity.

    I know who I would rather share my country with!

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