Banning the Burqa in Australia

So… Let me get this straight. We need to ban the burqa because some bank got robbed by a guy wearing a burqa? Can we get our rational hats on please? We can react to fear, and create knee-jerk policies that will further alienate the people that we keep telling to respect us. Or we can put the ban hammer away and act like human beings.

Statistics show that women are more than 20 times less likely to rob a bank than a man. And women are the only ones who wear the burqa, excepting the thug who used it as a disguise to rob a bank.

But if I want to rob a bank tomorrow, I’m not going to show my face as I walk through the door – so I’m going to choose a balaclava, a motorbike helmet, a beekeeper mask, a ‘Scream’ mask, a million other possibilities, or a burqa. But wait, antibogan, the burqa is banned! You’re not allowed to wear the burqa while you’re robbing the bank! Oops, sorry, I’ll just rob the fucking bank with my balaclava.

Anybody notice the stupidity? The hypocrisy? The downright xenophobic, ignorant and intolerant attitude that could force such a decision? See, when I leave that bank, I’ll be allowed to wear the motorbike helmet, the balaclava or the beekeeper mask in public, but not the burqa. And while the burqa is worn exclusively by females, who statistically commit far less crimes than men, it’s ridiculous to think that the other options are all legal and unisex headwear.

To the bogans reading this – quit talking about it as though you’re concerned about the rights of women. What complete bullshit. You wouldn’t give a shit about the rights of a woman if you’re more than happy to take away her freedom of choice and freedom of religion with one hand and take her clothes off and put her on a stage and on billboards and on music video clips with the other.

To the bogans reading this – quit talking about this as though it is some kind of security risk. If I wanted to rob a bank tomorrow, what’s stopping me cutting holes in my bedsheets and running in looking like a halloween ghost?

The whole issue makes me sick, and NOT ONE fucking politician or media source is ready to be rational about it all. Fear sells, and who really gives a shit if we offend an entire culture, right? They made us cancel Christmas… Remember?? They did, didn’t they..? They didn’t? Oh..

Bank Security – Hijabs and Burqas

Drivers License Wearing A Burqa?

Schools Banning Christmas… Really?

Muslims Still Banning Christmas… Really?

Still Banning Christmas… Come On…

Burqas Rob Banks

Burqas Hide Bombs

199 thoughts on “Banning the Burqa in Australia

  1. It seems any old excuse will do. The xenophobic powers at be need to appear to be making a reasonable and justifiable excuse for banning it so ‘what about bank robberies’ is good enough – good enough for the complete drop kick idiots of this country and other around the world who are about to ban it.

  2. One of the best articles on this website for a long long time, and well overdue. Sickens me to see that usually tolerant people (at least on the surface) would show who they really are when talk about the Burqa or Niqab pops up.

    Give me a break, the xenophobic discourse never ends.

  3. You’re worried about women’s rights are you?

    What bullshit.

    Their freedom to practice their religion? What drug are you on?

    You’re worried about offending an entire culture OMG.

    You fruitloop.

    Anywhere where this ‘culture'( & I use this term loosely) dominates, it persecutes & attempts to eliminate other cultures. This is a racist misogynist culture, yet you have no problem with not only ignoring this, but promoting its spread in Australia.

    Koran Surah 9:29 “Fight against the infidel, till there be no religion except that of Allah, or till they feel subdued & pay the jizya with willing submission”

    The niqab freaks & their caveman cult can !@#@!@ off! I couldn’t care less about offending a bunch of backward deadbeats that follow a freaking cult like this, & the ignorant leftist goons that help promote it.

    this is a great initiative, which is already underway in Europe

    • Not really. Muslims have been living in the Western world peacefully for half a century before 9/11 and it’s only after 9/11 that Muslims were suddenly regarded as an evil terrorist cult (or any other imaginative description you can come up with).

      Also, nice work on taking a verse from the Qur’an out of context (not to mention it’s also been mistranslated as well). Any idiot can pretend he knows something about Islam by taking such falsified verses and flaunting them as justification for his xenophobic crusade.

      This ‘great initiative’ is against the very principles of tolerance and religious freedom which post-Renaissance Western civilisation prides itself on. I would say the only ‘backward deadbeats’ around here are people like you, Spartan, who consistently aim to destroy tolerance and spread fear and hatred.

    • You racists cannot point the finger at any group in Australia on the issue of women’s rights. The yobbo culture you represent is responsible for most of the domestic violence and rapes in this country. Women certainly have equality under the law but not where you and your brotherhood are concerned.

      I notice the Fascist parties you support are all for sticking women back in the kitchen and winding back the gains they have made over the last thirty years.

      I am also noting the intimidating language you are using towards the only female posting in this thread. That above all shows your real character.

      • Really, Josh what an emotional load of fanciful claptrap. are you suggesting that domestic violence occurs only in lower socio-economic households?

        What parties are you referring to that have mysogynist policies? Or just something U made up?

        Rapes Josh? Last time I looked there were quite a few perpetrated by Muslims on white women, which had a racist element to them. Bilal Skaf ring a bell? But all in the name of diversity right?

        In fact Josh rapes by Pakistani taxi drivers have become so bad, its now a poorly kept secret.

      • One only needs to look at nutjob fringe parties like Dazza’s APP, Jimmy’s AFP and the thing that calls itself One Nation. They each have policies about “the family” which as we well know from Family Fist (sic) is hankie code for “let’s keep women at home, make it as hard as possible for them to access education, work and other services, and keep them pregnant”.

        “Muslims on white women”? So what colour are Muslims in your bizarre universe? The one common factor in sexual assaults are that they are committed by males. Males whose attitudes are mirrored in the racists you hang out with.

        There are no such things as “secret” rapes. Sexual assault statistics are kept by state governments and by the ABS, this country does not waste time doing racial profiling which is a useless crime prevention strategy anyway, and many details of sexual assaults are confidential to protect the privacy of victims.

        Skaf was a turd and should be locked up for life. But wait, so should the white males who have also raped women. Not a word about them from you though, so what does it say about you?

      • These parties have no policies that say: keep women at home Josh.

        If so provide evidence.

        Having said that though
        Josh, how do you intend to halt the birth rate declining if couples aren’t having children? because it is already below replacement levels.

        What colour are Muslims Josh? Well in Skafs case they were swarthy skinned arabs.

        You proport to know who I hang out with? That’s interesting.

        Short on evidence big on hot air.

  4. I take no notice of oblique reassurances from Muslims. As usual it’s the ‘out of context’ line.In that case why don’t you translate what this verse is saying? I see what is happening to non-Muslim minority groups in muslim dominated countries. Actions speak louder than words.

    Muslims are only peaceful here because they are not the dominant culture.

    You’re a rank hypocrite. Islam is an intolerant ideology & promotes neither tolerance nor religious freedom, freedom of speech or multiculturalism. Islam is monocultural religious fascism.

    I’ll re-iterate for the dummies: Islam is a cult.

    • Excuse me? Islam is the most multicultural religion on the planet. How is Islam monocultural? Only 20% of Muslims are Arab, and not all Arabs are even Muslim. I don’t know where you get these ideas from, but there are actually more Muslims in China than in Saudi Arabia (look it up you ignorant bogan). But perhaps your narrow-minded self would still refuse to believe the inter-racial peace Islam provides despite any evidences one throws at you.

      You’re right on one thing though, actions do speak louder than words and it’s the actions of a misguided minority that blacken the name of all Muslims. I’m sure as an intelligent pub crawler from Penrith you can at least understand that sometimes a minority group of morons does not speak for the majority, and the same goes for white Anglo-Australians and the minority of racist cretins that speak for them …

    • This is bullshit.

      “You’re a rank hypocrite. Islam is an intolerant ideology & promotes neither tolerance nor religious freedom, freedom of speech or multiculturalism. Islam is monocultural religious fascism.”

      The Fatimid Egypt was a hotbed of inverse of what you said. The Moors had Jews working in their businesses and had Christians serving as royal guards. Whilst we’re on the Moors, they built the groundwork for Southern Spain (during visigothic rule, small villages and towns only)

      The United Arab Emirates is a fusion of Middle Eastern cultural sensitivities with Western political and economical models, that allow foreigners to set up shop in their country and help out with that boom in Dubai.

      • Dubai is a poor example. A racist country.

        Also using virtual slave labour to utilize in its building activities.

  5. Your religion is racist.

    You are a racist. & a liar.

    The Maldives?
    Saudi Arabia?
    Dubai?
    Malaysia?
    UAE?
    Egypt?

    Interacial peace? oh my God you Muslim cretin.

    There are wars raging all over the world as we speak.

    Muslims vs muslims
    Muslim vs Christian
    Muslim vs Buddhist
    Muslim vs Hindu.

    LOL

    Islam is monocultural what you have cited is different races that R Muslim. & race is different to culture. Two different things.

    Going to translate that verse?

    • There is a religious culture, but religion is not the same as race, and in that instance Islam is indeed both multi-racial and multi-cultural.

      Malaysia and Egypt are not the same you uneducated derro.

      “[9:29] You shall fight back against those who have received their Scripture but rejected it and refuse to abide by the religion of truth – among those who received the scripture – until they pay the due tax.”

      The keyword here is “back”. Qur’anic law states that the Muslims may not go to war unless Muslims are attacked first (war should be avoided at all costs), and that war may not be against practising Jews and Christians because if they are practising then they abide by their Scripture and believe in the same God. It only talks about atheists and polytheists. The line about tax is explicitly stated to ensure that slavery or genocide of POWs and civilians doesn’t happen after a war is over.

      • Reading through these comments is a bizarre rollercoaster ride. Calm and rational, followed by FULL STEAM RABID CRAY-CRAY — repeat.

        Thanks for your interesting arguments, sarajlija. I enjoyed reading those!

    • Wa..wa…wait, Muslims v Buddhists? Have you been drinking filthy grog?

      The closest thing I can find to Muslims v Hindu- is India v Pakistan, and they haven’t engaged in major engagements since 1983.

      Muslims v Christian- Well, duh…. Wasn’t it the Crusaders, who marched four times into the Holy Land, burning, raping and pillaging, and then got their sorry ass kicked by the defenders, who happen to be Muslims. And before you continue about how violent Islam is, the Muslim victory was down to strategic elements favouring them, such as fighting on home soil, mobility, better troop reserves, and easy movement and organisation, and a genuine competent war leader in Saladin.

      • Yes our land has been stolen by Muslims. Is our Prime Minister and Opposition Muslim? No.

        Does Islam make up 20% of the religious demographics? No.

        Have our schools enforced Halal only foods in their canteens for all students? Doubt it.

        Does our national flag have the Islamic crescent? No, and unlikely in the far future.

        Do we have a Muslim holy hero (equivalent to a saint) that originates from Australia? No. But St Mary MacKillop originates in Australia.

        Do we have Muslim footballers in the AFL? Yes. There’s only one or two, and they don’t go around avoiding Booze buses, urinating outside bars in full view of everyone or beat their wives and mistresses.

        The amount of stupid you unleash is unworthy of a Spartan. Leonidas would usually throw you off a cliff, and throw a spear at you.

  6. The actions of small minority?

    Bullshit.

    The Koran elevates those that wage (violent) war as above those that do, as you are which to aid & abet the spread of this virus thru your Islamo lies.

    Your goals are exactly the same as the violent jihadists, but you can’;t stomach the violence.

    • Hi Cynthia, you sound like a very frightened, insecure person. Have you even met a Muslim?

      Muslims have been in Australia for over 100 years, and represent under 1.5% of our population. They work in our hospitals, in our shopping centres, in our emergency services, in our schools and own their own businesses. They pay taxes to our Government, and are consumers who contribute to our economy. They have, at no stage during their century here declared any wars on Australians who practice other religions, nor have they made any attempt to install Sharia law. There have been no terrorist attacks in Australia, and no women have robbed any banks or hid bombs in their burqas. They have cancelled no Christmases, and have not made any shopping centers take their lights down. They have not demanded that they be allowed to have their drivers license photos taken with full face burqas on, not have they closed swimming pools.

      When is this apocalypse you speak of going to happen? You seem to think that they all follow holy words that instruct them to kill, but they are either very disobedient to this book in this country, or or maybe it’s non-Muslims like you who are misinterpreting it.

      • Naturally people will distort evidence to support their argument. Documentaries do this. Storytellers do this. That’s why the law requires multiple witnesses. It is the Rashomon effect in a way.

  7. Egypt persecutes the Coptic minority. Malaysia, persecutes the non Malay Chinese. -Fighting those that reject your rabid cult.

    You derro.

    So the Copts demonstrated in Martin Place for no reason?

    Thankyou for verifying in full re: 9:29. Basically fight those that reject your religion. Thanks for coming.

    Muslims & Christians believe in the same God? More lies & theologically 100% unsupportable.

    More lies.

    The bit about waiting until you are attacked first is bullshit. Bombings in Bali? Jakarta? London? Times square? Somali apes in Australia? Piss off.These Muslims are following the Koran closer than you. No doubt clerics would issue fartwa’s on the flimsist pretexts.

    How does the Islamic extortion (oh, silly me,) ‘the tax’ stop genocide & slavery?

    Why don’t don’t you catch a magic carpet back to your sand dune, & watch the whole of Australia applaud.?

    Christians are regarded by Muslims as polytheists. Thanks for coming.

    • Muslims and Christians do believe in the same god. Allah is the word for God in Arabic, which influences Bahasa and a number of other Central Asian, North African and Middle Eastern languages. Churches in areas where Arabic is the dominant language use Allah for the Christian God, which happens to be the same for the Jewish and Muslim God.

      That is why that verse prohibits them from making war on the people of the book- referring to the three religions.

      • As for terrorism (both explody and intimidation), anyone can do it really.

        In the 1970s it was the Red Army Faction and the odd Japanese fanatic.

        In 1995, it was Aum Shinrikyo. Look up Kasumigaseki.

        Whilst recently, a faction of Muslim die-hards.

        I can imagine the Middle East resisting American overtures given that the US has sucked their oil dry, moving capital away, and keeping Saudi Arabia as their political pawn, if not sponsoring Saddam, and then invading Iraq, followed by Afghanistan, and the Bombing of Libya.

      • That goes to show how theologically ignorant you are. Completely clueless.

        What are you another Muslim shyster?

      • I’m actually Catholic for your information.

        Calling me theologically ignorant is like calling me I don’t know shit about English Football. In any case it’s terribly wrong and by replying, you’re just getting your ass handed to you.

        “What are you another Muslim shyster?” so I’m another one of many of those shysters. Wait, aren’t there pro-White and anti-immigrant shysters like Nick Griffin?

    • “Muslims & Christians believe in the same God? More lies & theologically 100% unsupportable.”

      You are seriously like that “god warrior” woman from the American wife swap.

      • Muslims actually do believe in the same God as Christians. In Arabic it is Allah, for Jews it is Yahweh and for Christians it’s the Father/Patre.

        There are obviously theological differences but the Qur’an explicitly states that the Torah, Gospels and Qur’an emanate from the same Supreme Creator.

  8. More lies anti bogan. Just recently at the mosque in Auburn open day we had some Islamo apes calling for sharia. Halal food? compliant to sharia law? D’oh.

    1.5% of the pop. and over represented in prison population, crime & anti social conduct. No terrorist attacks? not yet, but not 4 want of trying.

    The argument that they contribute to the economy is spurious when the amount of mobney they have cost this country gets taken into account.

    Closing pools? No really? but like to have Muslim sessions only 4 their women, which is akin to closing the pool. Muslim separatism & apartheid I’d call it. A sign ofrejection of this culture & incompatibility with the culture.

    Do I know muslims? You’d be suprised.

    I’m not against Muslims as individuals. I’m against the ideology. & the two cannot be separated.

    • Do you even know what halal fucking means?

      Yes you say that you do not despise Muslims as individuals, but in the same breath you are against their ideology, and the fact that the two cannot be separated. Do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds?

    • Well it kind of seems pointless replying to this, because as I write this, I see that Rudolf B has been around and made you look very stupid.
      But I will address some of your junk anyway.

      * “…some Islamo apes calling for sharia (sic)…” – does it really look like they’ve managed to sway the Government? You do realise that very recently, the Pope and his 2IC blamed pedophilia on homosexuals and Jews right? Most Catholics shook it off and were righteously embarrassed by the comments.

      * “…over represented in prison population, crime & anti social conduct.” – there’s a Middle Eastern task force, yes, if that’s what you’re referring to. But there’s no Muslim task force. Because as previously mentioned, not all Muslims are from the Middle East. In fact, the primary offenders as targeted by the task force were males, Lebanese and Christian.

      * “No terrorist attacks? not (sic) yet, but not 4 (sic) want of trying.” – this is the stupidity of spending millions on anti terrorism security. Do you see the same levels of security at the train stations that you see in the airports? No? Why not? A Boeing 747 carries around 500 passengers, while a city bound peak hour train in Sydney carries around 2000. Make a bomb, get on a train and there’s your terrorist attack. Want to kill 200 Westerners? Coordinate 50 die-hard fanatics to get in elevators around the Sydney CBD and as soon as the lift leaves the ground, kill the 4 or 5 civilians in the lift. Want of trying…? My arse. The handful of dopey fucks that had a crack at Holsworthy barracks were either plants, or just that – dopey fucks. A terrorist attack at a secure army base where every second bloke is heavily armed and all men are trained in combat. Good one.

      * “…the amount of mobney (sic) they have cost this country gets taken into account.” – you may realise that Muslims were in this country well before September 11. Would you like to visit the figures on how much our country was spending on security and anti terrorism back then? You would shake your head. While we’re on this point, it’s interesting to point out that in the United States, illegal immigrants cost the state $1 billion, yet produce $12 billion in revenue.

      * The Muslim sessions at the pool were in the middle of winter, for one hour, in the middle of the day. How many blokes do you think broke down and cried when they received the news that they couldn’t visit the pool between 10am – 11am on a weekday in the middle of winter?

      * You are against Muslims, because they are people who hold onto the ideology that you oppose. And for all of the excerpts you’ve yanked out of the Qu’ran, how many Muslims are acting in accordance here in Australia?

      • Soldiers at Holsworthy are not armed on the base. That is false. Heavily armed my arse.

        I oppose Muslims because they support an ideology I oppose.

        Go to the top of the class.

    • Hey idiot which mosque in Auburn? There are several. If you were fair dinkum you’d know that.

      The Gallipoli Mosque wouldn’t call for Sharia. It’s Turkish. The Turks are largely moderate Muslims and Turkey is a secular country. Then again you wouldn’t know that.

      Dumb monocultural yobbo.

      • The monocultural yobbo is the one that likes to immigrants to fuck off, but when they do, they can’t enjoy their favourite kebabs and chi chong fan, so they welcome them back.

      • Okay, Spartan, – “Widely reported in the media” – I found this: “…harsh penal aspects of the law, including stoning and chopping off hands, will never work and aren’t being called for, Islamic Friendship Association of Australia president Keysar Trad says.”

        The article goes on to state that they are only interested in these laws running parallel to existing legislation and only for Australian Muslims, and also that they are to address personal matters like divorce and inheritance.

        Now doesn’t that sound a lot more moderate than how you are trying to paint it?

        http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/broad-support-for-australian-sharia-law/story-e6frfku0-1225838340625

  9. Recent examples of Muslim misbehaviour that the controlled media kept quiet:

    1. Emergency dept. at Westmead hospital taken over/ stand over tactics. Riot police/dog squad called.

    2. Same as above except at Auburn hospital.

    3. Andrew Scipione NSW police commissioner has publicly stated in the SMH that police will not do drug & weapons searches in Auburn/ western Sydney without riot squad.Last eposode saw large groups of Muslims gathering to intimidate police.

    Additionally: (that is widely known)

    4. Airport security measures at Airports.

    5. Recent terrorist attacks foiled at Holsworthy. trials costing 10’s millions of dollars.In addition to 10’s millions of $ to keep them under surviellance. then add to that the cost of imprisoning them.

    As the Muslim population increases these typeas of incidents will increase.

    The cost of all this is totally scandalous & Muslim immigration needs to be terminated

      • No of course not. These idiots like Spartan make this stuff up all the time.

        Critical incidents are not exactly unknown in busy hospital emergency departments. That’s part of the reason why they are there. Emergency departments usually are the only places someone having a potentially acute psychotic episode can be taken. Emergency departments are where the casualties from most events involving alcohol or drugs are treated. And it isn’t unknown either for a “normal” hospital incident to be blown up when it comes to the attention of an always hungry and not well-informed media.

        Just ignore “Spartan”. He’s in WA and knows little about what happens on the east coast anyway.

      • This man died defending his pregnant lover. The boyz did not strike again. They were mourning for him, lots of people, which means he’s well liked.

        Nothing about doing burnouts.

        And I used what was entirely in that article you have provided.

      • And let us quote the article for good measure,

        “A NSW Ambulance spokeswoman said the superviser for Western Sydney did not believe treatment for patients was delayed.

        She said paramedics were used to dealing with such challenges but they would always find a way to get access to patients or emergency departments regardless of crowds.”

        Spartan, I fear my biggest professional challenge will be treating anyone who professes similar values to yours while they are under my care. Luckily, I have every faith that my ethics will win out. I am glad to be aware enough of my bias to know that I need to strive to overcome it, so thanks for your well wishes.

      • Well Pedestrian, they also said this,

        “The rest of western Sydney suffered for it. There were so many of them, it was scary for us,” the ambulance officer told The Daily Telegraph yesterday.

        Indeed.

        I wonder what they were scared of Pedestrienne?

        A bunch of thugs & standover merchants.

        Rudolf Sez:
        ‘A man died defending his pregnant lover, his friends turned up’………sigh, so touching.

        Well i’d call blocking an emergency dept a funny way to mourn a friend pal. This had nothing to do with mourning.

        Luckily for this mob I wasn’t police commissioner, because every single one of these neandathals would have been arrested & charged..

    • Let’s do some maths here:
      – 10’s of millions to foil a terrorist plot. Let’s say the whole terrorist budget for Islamic terrorists is $100 Million (A gross overestimation). Not to mention that not all terrorists are Islamic.
      – 1.7% of Australians are Muslim.
      – Our economic annual output is $1 trillion.
      – Therefore Muslims contribute roughly $17 billion to our economy per year, which equates to about $6 Billion in income tax (not to mention GST and business tax from what they buy).

      How is $100 Million more than $6 Billion+?

  10. Koran 9:111

    009.111
    YUSUFALI: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
    PICKTHAL: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.
    SHAKIR: Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah’s way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.

    Who is more faithful to Allah? Those that wage violent jihad & kill non-Muslims. No misinterpretation here. 3 versions say the same thing.

    • You are obviously picking 3 of the same thing, from the same book, and you still neglect the rest of the book.

        • Are you going to address those passages in the Bible, Cynthia?

          Yes, you keep telling us how scared you are of terrorism, but how many acts of terrorism have occurred in Australia.

          Here’s a fun fact for you: You have more chance of being struck and killed by lightning than you do of being killed by terrorism. And this stat doesn’t apply to Australia, it applies to the United States.

  11. How does Islam deal with those that leave the religion?? ( the sin of apostacy?)

    In the Hadith

    Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)

    Kill them. There it is folks. THIS IS A CULT.

    • Since you advocate killing cults, I suppose that Scientology, Westboro Baptist Church, and a dozen of other spiritual cults will have to go too.

      Or is this an impingement of free speech?

      • And Scientology punishes people for leaving them too.

        They get lawyers to force them back into it, in order to prevent bad news coming out.

        They install filters on member’s computers to block thought contrary to their dogma.

        Scientology was started by a white man, and is a predominantly White religion.

      • Totally irrelevant. Westborough Baptist is in the states last time I looked. & Nick xenophon is already looking into Scientology. Islam should be next.

      • Islam does not go around looking for converts. Cults like Scientology do.

        Islam does not financially rip off its adherents. Cults do.

        Islam does not attempt to interfere in the political process, nor does it breach the Electoral Act by circulating defamatory pamphlets. Cults like the Exclusive Brethren do.

  12. The Islamic doctrine of telling lies to further the spread of Islam. Thanks for coming Sarajlija.

    The concept of “al-taqiyya” can be defined thus: “Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.” In political terms, it is used by critics of Islam to describe what they see as intentional concealment of Islamic doctrines in order to gain influence and deceive so-called “enemies of Islam”. A one-word translation would be “dissimulation

    • Well…. duh! Isn’t self-preservation a human instinct?

      Let’s say you were a left-wing Catholic political dissident in the country of Grazadistan (which I made up on the spot), and the regime was ruled by right-wing totalitarian atheists, and they got wind of your activities, and your office has seen letter bombs, grenades, break-ins. Wouldn’t you try and fade into the background?

      These critics have a self grandiose belief, that they feel like hobbits fighting the Dark Lord Sauron, and depict Islam as the hordes of Mordor combined with the cunning of the Elves.

      • No one is throwing grenades at Muslims here.

        Muslims however, continue to lie (taqiyya) & give oblique reassurances about what they believe-none of which conform to the true tenets of their beliefs.

        Luckily Muslims can no longer hide using geographical barriers, language barriers etc. The unpleasant truth is there printed in their own documents.

  13. Wow, can it get worse? Here we have Mohammmed, who the Muslims regard as having led the perfect life, boasting about being a terrorist.

    & Believe me, I haven’t even scratched the surface of this filth. It gets worse. Much much worse.

    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 220
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.”

  14. Mohammeds Paedophilia: Child bride Aisha.

    I said it would get worse.

    There is more to come.

    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

  15. The problem with Spartan/Cynthia is that he/she knowingly picks and chooses the inflammatory and controversial parts, and leaves out the majority of the religion which teaches respect, tolerance, kindness, compassion, caring for the sick and elderly, humility, modesty and love.

    I refuse to have a discussion with someone who’s sole aim is to blacken the name of a faith rather than listening to people who actually have real knowledge and not just bits and pieces from an Propaganda 101 website.

    Good day.

      • No, nor do we make out that ratbags like Danny Nalliah and Fred Nile represent all the Christians in Australia.

        But racists like “Spartan” go ahead and make idiots of themselves post after post with their boilerplate mythologies and vilification.

    • Pure hypocrisy.

      The Koran is clear: Muslim are not to make friends with non-Muslims.

      Muslim charity extends only to other Muslims.

      • Bull-fucking-shit.

        Muslims are not to make friends with non-Muslims.

        I tell one of my friends who is Muslim, that I happen to be a Catholic. I don’t think he saw any problem with that.

      • I’m not sure why I’m feeding this troll and I’m sure whatever I post as a response will be refuted and/or ignored but here I go…

        The amazing true story of Zeitoun

        Abdulrahman Zeitoun is the real-life hero of Dave Eggers’s new book. In the aftermath of hurricane Katrina he paddled from house to house in a canoe, offering help to his neighbours. For his trouble, he was arrested as a suspected terrorist

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/11/dave-eggers-zeitoun-hurricane-katrina

        Helper ‘a hero’ in NYC subway attack

        Four Jewish students assaulted on NY subway receive help from fellow Muslim rider

        http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3481929,00.html

        Among the Righteous

        Did any Arabs save Jews during the Holocaust? That’s the question author Robert Satloff had in mind when he set out to discover the lost, true stories of survival, courage and betrayal in Arab lands during World War II. The history of the Holocaust in Europe is well-documented, but the history of what happened to the Jewish people of North Africa has been mostly forgotten, even in the very towns and cities where it occurred. The truth is remarkable: not only did Jews in Arab lands suffer many of same elements of persecution as Jews in Europe — arrests, deportations, confiscations and forced labor — but there were also hopeful stories of “righteous” Arabs reaching out to protect them.

        http://www.pbs.org/newshour/among-the-righteous/

        Synagogue doubles as mosque during Ramadan

        “People look to the Jewish-Muslim relationship as conflict,” said All Dulles Area Muslim Society Imam Mohamed Magid, saying it’s usually disputes between the two groups in the Middle East that make news. “Here is a story that shatters the stereotype.”

        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32881567/

        Arabs and Jews refuse to be enemies

        I’m proud to be one of the thousands of Israelis and Palestinians who joined the demonstration on Saturday night in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah. The crowd, mobilized by a broad range of groups (including the Israeli Peace Now movement), is united in our opposition to settler groups who are evicting Palestinian families and moving into their homes there.

        http://peacenow.org/entries/arabs_and_jews_refuse_to_be_enemies

        Palestinians Shoot Back With Video Cameras

        A Israeli human rights group has distributed 150 cameras to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, turning young protesters into documentary filmmakers

        http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,77026694001_1981400,00.html

    • I don’t need to search propaganda sites.

      You hold up your prophet to have led the example of the perfect life. When – bottom line, he was a ruthless war lord, a bandit, a sexual deviate, & a murderer.

      Your religion hold up to no serious scrutiny.

      You are either totally brainwashed, wilfully ignorant or a complete liar.

      Take your burkas, your hijabs, your sharia law, your jihad, your bombs & go back to an Islamo shit hole of your choice.

      Your religion is a failed evil pseudo religion. Which has failed to produce prosperity or a place where even Muslims want to live.

      • “I don’t need to search propaganda sites”

        You’re at worst a pathological liar, or at best a hypocrite, Cynthia. You already do use propaganda sites. You’ve cut and paste from the following anti-Islam sites because you can’t think for yourself:
        a) http://www.faithfreedom.org
        b) http://www.answering-islam.org
        c) http://www.islammonitor.org

        You repeat everything they say word for word and claim that you use Islamic sources, then you have the temerity to accuse others of being brainwashed.

        You’re a bogan, racist, stupid, a liar, and a joke.

    • @sarajlija – And he also completely ignores historical context. I think your instincts are bang on – this does seem like purely spewing from anti-Islam propaganda websites.

      Many people of non-Islamic faiths abhor the defamation of Islam and its Prophet. Maybe we need to be hearing more in the media from interfaith councils like The Australian National Dialogue of Christians, Muslims, and Jews and The Australian Intercultural Society.

      http://www.ncca.org.au/departments/interfaith
      http://www.intercultural.org.au/

      • That’s correct, Pedestrienne. Also, it must be known that the Hadith (which is the recordings of the actions/sayings of our Prophet) are not totally reliable. While Qur’an is unchanging, the Hadith is simply a historical recording and many are falsified, twisted or made up at one time due to political purposes.

        It is well known today that the Hadith about the Prophet apparently marrying a 6 year old was fabricated. It is more likely that she was ACCEPTED as a future wife at age 9 (as is the case in most ancient cultures) but the marriage did not occur until the age of 15 or 16.

      • Pedestrienne: Really? Tell me, do Muslims offer interfaith dialogue in places where they dominate?

        Or is it just places where leftist oxygen thieves like yourself congregate?

        Hopefully you understand your place in the Islamic context as an inferior second class citizen, due to your gender. Oh, Hell is full of women too. See below.

        Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

        Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”

        Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301

      • Oh, Gads, Spartan – really? That’s what you’re going with? I did think we were talking about the position of Muslims within Australian society, but since you asked:

        Here is a website run by Muslim interfaith activists concerned about the human rights treatment of another faith in the Middle East:
        http://www.bahairights.org/about/
        Here also is the website for the Jordanian Royal Institute for Inter-Faith Studies: http://www.riifs.org/purpose/purpose.htm

        Now you have a go – Google “Saudi Arabia interfaith” and see all the wealth of information you find!

        As for your comments on my gender, I choose to aspire to politely challenge sexism whenever and wherever I encounter it. What’s important to me is rational, respectful dialogue. In my own cultural context I am not living in a sexism-free paradise, believe it or not.

  16. @ spartan

    i am a muslim who is currently residing in australia,
    at the moment i live with my wife and 2 daughters, i have a degree in biochemistry and according to you, myself and my friends spend our “off” time trying to blow up the country that we live.

    you sound so very foolish, you criticize our religion by essentially yelling while blocking your ears so that no logic or reason can get through.

    you quote the qu’ran, saying that it spreads evil, however almost all form of religious texts promote acts which today would seem vile.

    in the bible for instance: it promotes the selling of childrens slaves Exodus 21:7

    if someone were to work on a sunday they are to be put to death Exodus 35:2

    and should the “god” of christian belief be in any way offended he will procede to commit every type of ‘ocide in existance and then ask for your love.

  17. As I said above, you cannot trust Hadith unless they are confirmed by 3 or more authentic sources. The one Spartan quoted is only confirmed by one, meaning it is a flimsy narration and more than likely falsified.

      • So far, you’ve been unable to find any evidence of Muslims in Australia using the Qu’ran as support for callous acts. And you’ve had over a century to work with.

        So Sundowner, do you know any Muslims or not?

        • Okay, how about we put the shoe on the other foot. Please defend these passages from the Bible:

          Rape In The Bible

          1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

          So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

          The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

          Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

          Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

          2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

          They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

          Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

          Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

          3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

          As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

          What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

          4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

          If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

          What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

          5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

          If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

          It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

          6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

          Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

          Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

          This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

          7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

          “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

          Once again God approves of forcible rape.

          8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

          They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

          9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

          When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

          10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

          Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

          Murder in the Bible

          1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

          Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

          Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

          Kill Witches

          You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

          Kill Homosexuals

          “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

          Kill Fortunetellers

          A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

          Death for Hitting Dad

          Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

          Death for Cursing Parents

          1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

          2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

          Death for Adultery

          If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

          Death for Fornication

          A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

          Death to Followers of Other Religions

          Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

          Kill Nonbelievers

          They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

          Kill False Prophets

          If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

          Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

          Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

          Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

          But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

          Kill Followers of Other Religions.

          1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

          2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

          Death for Blasphemy

          One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

          Kill False Prophets

          1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

          2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

          Infidels and Gays Should Die

          So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

          Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

          For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

          Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

          The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

          2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:

          Kill Brats

          From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

          God Kills the Curious

          And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

          Killed by a Lion

          Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!” But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.” And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

          Killing the Good Samaritan

          The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

          When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

          3) Murdering Children

          Kill Sons of Sinners

          Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

          God Will Kill Children

          The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

          Kill Men, Women, and Children

          “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

          God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

          And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

          Kill Old Men and Young Women

          “You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

          (Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

          God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

          If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

          More Rape and Baby Killing

          Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

          4) Miscellaneous Murders

          More of Samson’s Murders

          (The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

          Peter Kills Two People

          There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God.” As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?” “Yes,” she replied, “that was the price.” And Peter said, “How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too.” Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)

          Mass Murder

          This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

          You Have to Kill

          Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

          The Danites Kill the Next Town

          But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

          God Kills Some More

          Then the LORD said to me, “Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn’t help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, ‘But where can we go?’ tell them, ‘This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.’ “I will send four kinds of destroyers against them,” says the LORD. “I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.” (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)

          God Promises More Killing

          I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

          The Angel of Death

          My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)

          Destruction of Ai

          Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city.” So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: “Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, ‘The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.’ Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders.” So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

          Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn’t realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

          Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city.” Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

          When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)

          Killing at Jericho

          When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

          God Kills an Extended Family

          “You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.'” Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam’s wife, “Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him.” (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

          Mass Murder

          The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)

          The Angel of Death

          That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

          Kill Your Neighbors

          (Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

          Kill the Family of Sinners

          And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.” [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] “So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster’s Bible)

          Kill Followers of Other Religions

          While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

          Murder

          At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself.” Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, “The LORD is God! The LORD is God!” Then Elijah commanded, “Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don’t let a single one escape!” So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

          Kill All of Babylon

          “Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

          Micah Kills a Whole Town

          Then, with Micah’s idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel’s son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

    • I quote a ref. from the Koran: Q 2: 282 which U say is 100% correct & unchangeable.

      That reference fully backs what the hadith says in relation to women’s deficiency in intelligence.

      Go back to the drawing board. Have another go. 3 versions all say the same thing.

      Please explain.

      Mysogynist crap. But it is a free country. Right luvvy?

      Quran evidence
      Yusuf Ali: O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of Allah, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear Allah; For it is Good that teaches you. And Allah is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, – his heart is tainted with sin. And Allah knoweth all that ye do.

      Pickthal: O ye who believe! When ye contract a debt for a fixed term, record it in writing. Let a scribe record it in writing between you in (terms of) equity. No scribe should refuse to write as Allah hath taught him, so let him write, and let him who incurreth the debt dictate, and let him observe his duty to Allah his Lord, and diminish naught thereof. But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak, or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember. And the witnesses must not refuse when they are summoned. Be not averse to writing down (the contract) whether it be small or great, with (record of) the term thereof. That is more equitable in the sight of Allah and more sure for testimony, and the best way of avoiding doubt between you; save only in the case when it is actual merchandise which ye transfer among yourselves from hand to hand. In that case it is no sin for you if ye write it not. And have witnesses when ye sell one to another, and let no harm be done to scribe or witness. If ye do (harm to them) lo! it is a sin in you. Observe your duty to Allah. Allah is teaching you. And Allah is knower of all things.

      Shakir: O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things

      • Yusuf Ali: O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of Allah, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear Allah; For it is Good that teaches you. And Allah is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, – his heart is tainted with sin. And Allah knoweth all that ye do.

        Only one reference to the weight of a woman’s witness. The rest is about how to do a morally-approvable contract.

  18. By the way Pedestrienne, U cannot ‘defame’ a religion.

    Yes they are deeply offended. Bombings? murders? 11,000 terror attacks since 911? No worries.

    The attempted refutation (re: underage marriages)by Sarajlija above is false. Fartwas have been issued regarding the marriage of underage girls in some Islamic precincts. It is a practice that continues to this day.

    • Just because it is practised in countries where Muslims live, does not mean it is an authentic Islamic practise. You have to be really one-eyed to think something like that.

      Gang wars, extortion, corruption, fraud, rape, all happen in Western countries … is this what Christianity, Judaism or Atheism teaches??? Of course not, so it’s ignorant to think that if other disgusting practises occur it is the result of a religion.

      • Do you know that the culture “Spartan” is so proud to hold up here treats women as badly as any fundamentalist religion is likely to? Just go to any women’s shelter or sit in the local Magistrates Court (an activity I am sure “Spartan” has much experience with) and listen to the stories the victims of this culture “Spartan” is so keen to hold up.

        Spiking girls’ drinks, gang rape, sexual harassment in the workplace, domestic violence including sexual assault, extortion of a woman’s money, lewd and suggestive remarks to strangers, bullying, sex slavery…these have been a part of the dominant white male Anglo culture for many years.

      • And that story makes the coverage of the statements from Lakemba Mosque less true how?
        Your summary of the open day statement was simply “sharia law” – and we were to make of that what we wanted. I provided you with an article that went into detail of the moderate aspects of sharia that were being recommended and they referenced not only Keysar Trad but also Dr Zachariah Matthews.

        I feel no need to try and defend Trad based on the article you linked. However, the article I linked is still relevant in providing details you chose not to give.

  19. Anglo culture has made inroads into reducing & tackling these issues.

    The Koran however which your Muslim mates follow is immutable & cannot be changed

    • Anglo culture has made inroads into reducing & tackling these issues. I’ll give you that.

      However, we kinda eliminate the gains by constant sex on tv, showing men as dominant and Zoo magazine, and of Faux-Lesbianism, and baring their clothes on highly suggestive music videos.

      • So you’ve essentially agreed to the fact that Western society enjoys exploiting women for commercial gain whilst championing their women’s rights- and decrying women who essentially choose to wear the burqa or hijab.

        Spartan 1
        Rudolf Belka 2.

    • Garbage! How many Muslims in Australia? 1.2% of the population. Islamo-fascism, whatever that is? Non-existent to all intents and purposes.

      How many yobbos? There are about 11 million males in Australia and most of us fortunately are too aware, compassionate and sophisticated to embrace the culture of you and your racist friends.

      But let’s for the sake of argument call it your yobbo-culture – intolerant, ignorant, superstitious, unintelligent, xenophobic, narrow-minded and un-Australian. Quite a catalogue of personal failings and not the sort of attitudes a mature nation needs in the 21st Century.

      There are enough of you around to make life intolerable for the rest of us and particularly for anyone you deem inferior – which as we have seen includes immigrants, refugees, people of a different faith, women, university-educated people (over one-third of the population) and anyone who is intelligent, tolerant and compassionate.

      I know damn well who doesn’t fit in and it’s not those I have mentioned.

      • Well josh you feel you’re superior to ‘bogans’ (whoever they are).

        So don’t bleat about the same failings in others.

        They make you’re life intolerable?

        The word melodramatic comes to mind.

        • Still awaiting your reply:

          Rape In The Bible

          1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

          So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

          The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

          Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.’” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

          Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

          2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

          They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

          Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

          Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

          3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

          As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

          What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

          4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

          If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

          What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

          5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

          If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

          It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

          6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

          Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

          Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

          This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

          7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

          “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

          Once again God approves of forcible rape.

          8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

          They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

          9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

          When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

          10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

          Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

          Murder in the Bible

          1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

          Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

          Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

          Kill Witches

          You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

          Kill Homosexuals

          “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

          Kill Fortunetellers

          A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

          Death for Hitting Dad

          Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

          Death for Cursing Parents

          1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

          2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

          Death for Adultery

          If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

          Death for Fornication

          A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

          Death to Followers of Other Religions

          Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

          Kill Nonbelievers

          They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

          Kill False Prophets

          If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

          Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

          Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

          Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

          But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

          Kill Followers of Other Religions.

          1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

          2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

          Death for Blasphemy

          One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

          Kill False Prophets

          1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

          2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

          Infidels and Gays Should Die

          So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

          Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

          For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

          Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

          The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

          2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:

          Kill Brats

          From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

          God Kills the Curious

          And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

          Killed by a Lion

          Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!” But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.” And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

          Killing the Good Samaritan

          The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

          When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

          3) Murdering Children

          Kill Sons of Sinners

          Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

          God Will Kill Children

          The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

          Kill Men, Women, and Children

          “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

          God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

          And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

          Kill Old Men and Young Women

          “You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

          (Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

          God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

          If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

          More Rape and Baby Killing

          Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

          4) Miscellaneous Murders

          More of Samson’s Murders

          (The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi, and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him was the fresh jawbone of an ass; he reached out, grasped it, and with it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

          Peter Kills Two People

          There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God.” As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, “Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?” “Yes,” she replied, “that was the price.” And Peter said, “How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this – conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too.” Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)

          Mass Murder

          This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

          You Have to Kill

          Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

          The Danites Kill the Next Town

          But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

          God Kills Some More

          Then the LORD said to me, “Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn’t help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, ‘But where can we go?’ tell them, ‘This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.’ “I will send four kinds of destroyers against them,” says the LORD. “I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.” (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)

          God Promises More Killing

          I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

          The Angel of Death

          My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)

          Destruction of Ai

          Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city.” So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: “Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, ‘The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.’ Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders.” So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

          Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn’t realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

          Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city.” Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

          When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)

          Killing at Jericho

          When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

          God Kills an Extended Family

          “You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by vultures.’” Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam’s wife, “Go on home, and when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with him.” (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

          Mass Murder

          The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)

          The Angel of Death

          That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

          Kill Your Neighbors

          (Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

          Kill the Family of Sinners

          And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.” [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] “So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster’s Bible)

          Kill Followers of Other Religions

          While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

          Murder

          At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, “O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to yourself.” Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw it, they fell on their faces and cried out, “The LORD is God! The LORD is God!” Then Elijah commanded, “Seize all the prophets of Baal. Don’t let a single one escape!” So the people seized them all, and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there. (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

          Kill All of Babylon

          “Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

          Micah Kills a Whole Town

          Then, with Micah’s idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel’s son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

  20. Putting words in my mouth?

    The people that exploit & those that champion their rights are two different groups.

    And you are one of many here who make excuses for what is a cult that is an antithesis of women’s rights..

    So what are you doing about the media’s objectivication of women 4 commercial gain? & the Islamic problem?

      • And I’m assuming by simply being sensitive to it and seeing it when it’s in front of you, you then also discuss this with acquaintances, etc, Rudolf?

        It might not seem like full on “activism”, but I think just being aware of and talking with others about the sexism in western culture is something which can make a big difference.

        If that’s something you too are doing, Spartan, then great – good on you!

      • If I’m an apologist, so be it. At least I make less enemies in life. I’d rather be a peaceful apologist than a bully that ruins the self-worth of others.

      • Don’t bother answering “Spartan” Rudolf, you have nothing to explain or defend to such as he. All he has done is pull out yet another one of his straw men to cover up his failure.

        Misogynist bigots like “Spartan” are the reason this country needs robust and vigilant anti-discrimination legislation.

    • I never said I was promoting Islam. I respect Islam and I respect people who identify themselves as Muslim. I am promoting the rights of Australians, residents, future Australians, to practice their religious beliefs in peace – providing they do not contradict Australian law.

      The statements made at Lakemba Mosque were about moderate aspects of sharia being allowed as concurrent legislation for Muslims in Australia, alongside existing Australian law. That is the information about the incident you referenced that is available.

      I’m not actually putting forward a position of my own on this, I am just repeating the facts of the story that you chose not to provide when you brought it up.

      Obviously, with any bias, one could take away a number of assumptions from reading these stories. For example, if I was used to succumbing to fearmongering, I might think, “OMGZ THEY WANT SHARIA LAW FOR ALL AUSTRALIA AND AUSTRALIANS AND ALL AUSTRALIAN MUSLIMS WANT IT TOO!” But the thing is, this was a statement made during an open day in March, it was reported, and… now what? I am certain those men do not speak for all Muslims in Australia, I am certain it would take decades of deliberation to bring this into effect even if all Muslims in Australia were in support of it.

      So what is it you are trying to say by telling us a couple of men want sharia law practices to be available for Muslims Australians? What is your message, and how do you come to draw that conclusion?

    • Show me where Pedestrienne is “promoting Islam”.

      I think we’ve conclusively proven you are promoting discrimination and are nothing more than a troll. Cutting and pasting rubbish from Darrin Hodges’ favourite websites does not constitute debate. You have shown already you are incapable of it.

  21. Red herring Cynthia. It doesn’t matter one atom what a judge or you thinks of Dr Matthews or Keysar Trad-it does matter that you are trying to change the topic because your claim of Gallipoli Mosque’s open day calling for Shariah has been utterly and completely trashed. You know this, so you’re trying to turn this into an argument about Dr Matthews or Keysar Trad instead of sticking to the topic and acknowledging that your scaremongering of THE MOOZLIMZ ARE BRINGING IN SHARIAH is unfounded and a lie. You made that claim, now either defend it or address the fact that you’ve lied about it (or at the very least omitted important qualifiers).  

  22. Josh none of my postings here R from Darrin Hodges sites.

    My claim is trashed? A grandiose statement.

    Now I’m hurt.

    The call for sharia at the open day at a major mosque is bona fide fact. Whether is partial sharia or full is irrelevant.

    The claim that any sharia is compatible with our laws or values as Pedestrienne seems to think is false. Those that support this, support Islamic apartheid. & Islamic non integration, & the expansion of Islam. Those that make excuses for Islam, or ‘respect’Islam as Pedestrienne does are condoners & therefore promoters.

    The koran is the immutable & perfect word of allah. sharia is based on the Koran & Hadith. Therefore Sharia is Gods perfect law & all practising Muslims seek to obey it & how better than to implement-by stealth where possible.

    The claim that only ‘some’, or only ‘two men’ support sharia is a complete falsity, they spoke at a major mosque with full support of the mosque leadership.

    They can’t help themselves.

    • But you weren’t even there were you? You weren’t even able to name the mosque correctly. I told you the name Gallipoli Mosque and you seized upon it.

      No comments about Sharia were made at the Gallipoli Mosque.

      Your knowledge of Sydney is poor. That’s to be expected from someone from Perth who is so xenophobic he probably thinks NSW is a foreign country.

    • I repeat what I said before

      “Cutting and pasting rubbish from Darrin Hodges’ favourite websites does not constitute debate.”

  23. “Those that support this, support Islamic apartheid. & Islamic non integration, & the expansion of Islam.” No, they support aspects of Shariah run in parallel with the Australian legal system. You haven’t learned a thing-still screaming ‘Muslims are taking over! Muslims are taking over!’ pathetic-and yes, your argument WAS trashed. Nice to see you’ve stopped trying to change the topic and attempting to defend your position-albeit feebly

    • Yes, aspects of sharia that would impinge on womens rights.

      This would also embolden them to seek further concesssions.

      • I don’t know what part of “running parallel to existing legislation and only for Australian Muslims, and also that they are to address personal matters like divorce and inheritance” is unclear to you.

        Of course, this would only translate to “THE MOOZLIMS ARE TAKING OVER” to an idiot like you, who bases arguments not on facts but on hypotheticals (“if we did this, then they’re going to ask for this OH AND THEY’RE TAKING OVER AUSTRALIA!”) – in other words, not an argument but an articulation of your own fears.

  24. Simple- Muslims are openly hostile around the world they drag culture down with them every were they go. Australia was a white only country with a strong Christian background I had no idea that Muslims have been in Australia for “100’s of years” good to see now they have rights they act like Animals.
    The Jews have said Islam is a blight against the world and all cultures. Problem we have to many soft hearted Uni-students who live on Nob hill and say “Na man I met a group of Muslims in a conference and they were totally nice.” try and meet then in Sydney.
    I have heaps of Pakistani people at my work and he all ways bangs on how Muslims wreck every place they touch “Oh Rob you don’t see I can’t go to church in Pakistan.” they cant go on Sundays because a great populace of Christians at one point could result in an attack and wen they do go they leave through the back door.
    Fear? fucking idiots hatred is what we have for Muslims hatred for there perks in life.
    Oh one more thing Muslims HAVE tried to open MUSLIMS schools and HAVE MUSLIM prayers but several places they have tried it the neighborhood has cracked up and they have shut down the project.
    Hey Noble park I WANT BACON ON MY FUCKING BURGER!
    I live in Bayswater and I’ve met Muslims before I’m not a bogan but I’m not blinded by this “The world loves us, lets give them a chance to love us back.” Bull shit.

    • “Fear? fucking idiots hatred is what we have for Muslims hatred for there perks in life.”

      Yes, AB, he IS retarded. Rob, we speak English in this country, and “scaremongering” and “fear” are two different words, and mean two different things. You (claim you) are not scared of Muslims, but you ARE trying to stoke fear of Muslims to cover your own inadequacies. You’re the fucking idiot, not the people who run this site.

    • “Australia was a white only country with a strong Christian background ”

      Ignorant crap. Australia had a successful non-Christian Indigenous population for more than 40,000 years before colonists arrived. Christian missionaries stuffed Indigenous culture up to a large extent and were often the driving force behind the removal of their children

      “…try and meet then (sic) in Sydney”

      I do. Every day. No problems because the Muslims I meet are not ignorant violent racists with psychological issues – like you appear to be. And don’t you live in Melbourne? So what’s Sydney got to do with anything?

      “fucking idiots hatred is what we have for Muslims hatred for there (sic) perks in life.”

      Sounds like “Thay tuk owr JAAAAAWBS” except I doubt Rob had one in the first place.

    • Rob said, “The Jews have said Islam is a blight against the world and all cultures.”

      ALL the Jews, Rob?

      The Jewish (even Israeli) people in the following articles/links may beg to differ…

      Helper ‘a hero’ in NYC subway attack

      Four Jewish students assaulted on NY subway receive help from fellow Muslim rider

      http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3481929,00.html

      Synagogue doubles as mosque during Ramadan

      “People look to the Jewish-Muslim relationship as conflict,” said All Dulles Area Muslim Society Imam Mohamed Magid, saying it’s usually disputes between the two groups in the Middle East that make news. “Here is a story that shatters the stereotype.”

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32881567/

      Arabs and Jews refuse to be enemies

      I’m proud to be one of the thousands of Israelis and Palestinians who joined the demonstration on Saturday night in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah. The crowd, mobilized by a broad range of groups (including the Israeli Peace Now movement), is united in our opposition to settler groups who are evicting Palestinian families and moving into their homes there.

      http://peacenow.org/entries/arabs_and_jews_refuse_to_be_enemies

      Palestinians Shoot Back With Video Cameras

      A Israeli human rights group has distributed 150 cameras to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, turning young protesters into documentary filmmakers

      http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,77026694001_1981400,00.html

      The Israeli human rights group is B’TSELEM – The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members. It endeavors to document and educate the Israeli public and policymakers about human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public, and help create a human rights culture in Israel.

      http://www.btselem.org/English/index.asp

      Among the Righteous

      Did any Arabs save Jews during the Holocaust? That’s the question author Robert Satloff* had in mind when he set out to discover the lost, true stories of survival, courage and betrayal in Arab lands during World War II. The history of the Holocaust in Europe is well-documented, but the history of what happened to the Jewish people of North Africa has been mostly forgotten, even in the very towns and cities where it occurred. The truth is remarkable: not only did Jews in Arab lands suffer many of same elements of persecution as Jews in Europe — arrests, deportations, confiscations and forced labor — but there were also hopeful stories of “righteous” Arabs reaching out to protect them.

      http://www.pbs.org/newshour/among-the-righteous/

      *Robert Satloff is Jewish American

      • Just wanted to add a few more links…

        Iftar in the Synagogue

        Since 2005, Jews and Muslims have gathered together at Anshe Shalom Bnai Israel Congregation to celebrate the Muslim holiday of Ramadan and the Jewish High Holidays.

        http://jmcbi.webnode.com/what-we-do/iftar-in-the-synagogue/

        The Jewish Council on Urban Affairs established the Jewish-Muslim Community-Building Initiative (JMCBI) in 2001 in response to an increase in intolerance and hate crimes against Muslims following the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Reflecting a similar dedication to education, culture and civil liberties for all, the Muslim and Jewish communities are uniquely positioned to proactively engage our communities and advocate for equality and social justice. Each aspect of the Initiative-cultural, educational, and joint action provides opportunities for dialogue, greater understanding, respect and deepening relationships between Jews and Muslims. This ultimately enables our communities to work together to create a more just city and society in which to live.

        http://jmcbi.webnode.com/about/

        Father of Murdered Journalist Daniel Pearl Promotes Jewish-Muslim Dialogue – 2004-06-25

        The father of a Jewish Wall Street Journal reporter who was kidnapped and murdered by Islamic extremists in Pakistan two years ago is leading a series of public dialogues with a Pakistani scholar aimed at improving Jewish-Muslim relations. The series that began in the United States last year moved to London this week and will continue to travel around the world.

        http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-a-2004-06-25-18-1-67351542.html?refresh=1

        Daniel Pearl Dialogue for Jewish Muslim Understanding

        In 2003, the American Jewish Committee invited Professor Judea Pearl*, President of the Daniel Pearl Foundation and co-editor of I am Jewish (2004), and Professor Akbar S. Ahmed, Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies at American University and author of Journey into Islam: The Crisis of Globalization (2007) and Islam Under Siege (2003) to lead a public dialogue in Pittsburgh, PA. The conversation was to be about the divisions between Muslims and the western world and between Muslims and Jews. The event had a profound impact on those in attendance and was covered widely in the U.S., Arab and Pakistani press. Due to its success, this personal yet public dialogue now continues in cities across the U.S. and abroad.

        http://www.danielpearl.org/about_us/dialogue.html

        *Judea Pearl is an Israeli born Jewish American

        http://www.danielpearl.org/about_us/Judea_Pearl.html

  25. And to the Original Articale. You cant cover your face in a bank simple not helmet or face gear.
    Stop trying to make it sound and different to that.
    Nothing that can cover the face is allowed to be wore in a bank.
    You cannot conceal your face on a bank. Thats all it is you cant cover you face.
    You’re not allowed to have something that hides your face in a bank
    Is that enough times for ye?

  26. Heres one for Sarajlija: Which points to the fact that the ‘jihad’ is carried out as an offensive thing.

    Not a ‘defensive’ thing as she falsely claims.

    When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim, book 019, Number 4294)

    • My understanding is that the word “jihad” can also mean a personal struggle within oneself in which baser instincts (like hatred and intolerance) are suppressed.

      Sounds like old Spurty could do with some of that.

      Then again if Spurty is cutting and pasting from Islamophobic sites he wouldn’t even need to bother to think. The lack of cognitive engagement is blatantly obvious in the rubbish he posts.

  27. *yawn* Spartan has a very predictable and transparent method of debate. Change the topic and make irrelevant comments when questioned on her dubious sources. Not fooling anyone.

    You’ve provided some (ill-thought out and factually inaccurate) examples, Spartan – what about the list of verses from the Bible YOU were presented with? Justify all of them please, just as you are demanding of Sarajlija and others. You haven’t even begun, and there’s a really long list for you to go through.

    • I don’t have to justify your biblical references pal, because the church in Australia doesn’t follow any of that stuff.

      And they don’t blow stuff up, while yelling out ‘praise Jesus’!

      & they don’t threaten my liberties.

      & they don’t allow terrorists to preach from their pulpits.

      What we do know is, as I’ve already established: is that Muslims support sharia law: which would severely impact the rights & freedoms of non-Muslims. (Which you & your buddies here keep making excuses 4)

      My sources are dubious?

      No, I in many cases directly quoted Islamic sources. In addition to this I provided examples of Muslims doing as their Koran commands.

      • Which church?

        There are many churches in Australia, all competing against each other, and some of the fringe sects are very much to your liking indeed. For instance Catch the Fire Ministries, the Salt Shakers, the Bible Believers, the Exclusive Brethren – all exceptionalist churches who hate Islam and/or immigrants and/or women and/or gays or all of these.

        And yes, you have cut and pasted. You don’t pass the Google test.

      • I repeat one more time. Just 4 you Josh. Churches don’t blow stuff up. Including the ones U mentioned.

        You may not like such people Josh, but they don’t blow stuff up (or attempt to)

    • You seem to be very eager to defend some amorphous “Christian churches” with yet another straw man argument. In fact you have more straw men than a Pagan harvest festival. I don’t recall anyone mentioning any churches wishing to blow anyone up.

      However if there were I suspect you would find a way to defend them. And given the Christian Church’s dismal 2000 year old record of upholding human rights I would not be surprised if there were fanatics in its midst like that. In fact I am sure there are Christofascist groups in the US.

      And have you heard of the Lord’s Resistance Army by any chance?

      • i’m defending churches?

        No mate i’m just saying they don’t blow shit up. I don’t need to defend them.

        The LRA? I have Josh.
        But please elaborate. I’m sure the good folk here’ll find it entertaining.

        It’s your turn to trawl the socialist alliances favourite sites.

        Christofascist. My, there’s a new one. Such a big word. Da boyz around here never cease to leave me amazed.

        Josh Sez: “I don’t recall anyone mentioning any churches wishing to blow anyone up.”

        Quite true Josh, thats because churches don’t preach it.

  28. “I don’t have to justify your biblical references pal, because the church in Australia doesn’t follow any of that stuff.”

    Don’t try to throw in another red herring Spartan – you go on and on and on about Muslim conflicts OVERSEAS but when asked to justify murderous and violent passages in the Bible, miraculousy, all of a sudden, you try to limit the parameters of the discussion to just Australia. Fail.

    Right wing Christians in the US shoot people who are in favour of abortions, laying waste to your claim that Christians don’t really follow the murderous passages in the Bible. Epic fail.

    Let me humour you for a second and pretend your attempts to limit the discussion to “churches in Australia” has some merit. So what? Where is your evidence that mosques in Australia have blown people up? You can’t provide it = because it’s never happened and is a figment of your scared little racist bogan brain.

    You’ve given (some) examples of Quranic passages and you are asking Muslims IN AUSTRALIA to explain them, and every other atrocity in which Muslims are involved, throughout the world.

    So sorry but I’m well within my rights to demand that you respond to the much longer list of violent, murderous Biblical passages that you’ve been given. As a Christian in Australia you need to explain and justify these – and if you don’t, your own claims of “look how violent the Quran is” holds no weight whatsoever.

    • Mosques in Australia can’t blow things up pal, because they are buildings. Muslims blow stuff up. & as I earlier established Lakemba mosque has had extremists with links to terrorist groups preaching there.

      I don’t give a rats where the attempted terrorist attempts in Aust. have eminated from-thats irrelevant. They eminated from an ideology. get your head out of your left wing ass

      In case U hadn’t noticed Islamic terrorism is a worldwide problem, & all you can talk about is a few right wing nutters in the states? PISS OFF.

      • Right Wing nutters are just about everywhere:

        English Defence League
        Russian Defence League
        Combat 18
        British National Party
        Right Wing extreme parties in the Continent (Europe)
        Southern Cross Soldiers
        Australian Protectionist Party
        Jack Van Tongeren and his associates
        Anti-Gay groups in Uganda
        Apartheid traditionalists in South Africa
        The Klan movement in the US.
        African American Separatist Movement in the US.
        German Neo-Nazism.

      • “Mosques in Australia can’t blow things up pal, because they are buildings”

        Just following your illogical attempts at using the English language. You said,

        “The church in Australia doesn’t follow any of that stuff”

        Using language you understand: the church can’t follow any of that stuff, because the church is a building.

        Some Christians, however, do. See Rudolf’s post.

        So Spartan, you’ve been asked several times now.

        Justify that very long list of murderous passages from the Bible, or your points remain as they are – worthless.

  29. And by the way Spartan cutting and pasting from Islammonitor does not qualify as “citing an Islamic source”, lol.

  30. “What we do know is, as I’ve already established: is that Muslims support sharia law: which would severely impact the rights & freedoms of non-Muslims.”

    No, another fail. You TRIED to establish that all Muslims support Shariah, and were proven wrong. According to the news item you cited, some Muslims support some aspects of Shariah in parallel with a conventional legal system with the conventional legal system taking precedence. If you don’t understand what “in parallel” or “precedence” means, don’t blame anyone but yourself for making unfounded and unsubstantiated generalised fearmongering claims.

  31. You haven’t proven a thing apart from the fact that you are a extreme leftist & you lerve terrorists.

    Some Muslims?

    No mate if the statements were made at a major mosque, that is a collective statement representing the views of the Muslim community at large.

    All practising Muslims support sharia. Sharia is based on the Koran, which is the immutable & true word of Allah. Therefore the Sharia is Allahs perfect law. to not support sharia would be to disobey Allah. 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • “However, harsh penal aspects of the law, including stoning and chopping off hands, will never work and aren’t being called for, Islamic Friendship Association of Australia president Keysar Trad says.

      But personal aspects of the law, particularly those involving marriage and inheritance, would be broadly supported and would offer great help to ordinary Australian Muslims, he said.”

      What misogynism?

      And looks the like they won’t be bringing their harsh legal justice system with them.

      Although a harsh legal justice something would be an effective crime deterrent- as well as a programme to enrich the much poorer spectrums who are more susceptible to criminal activities.

      • I meant this:

        Although a harsh legal justice for the population of Australia something would be an effective crime deterrent- as well as a programme to enrich the much poorer spectrums who are more susceptible to criminal activities, but not to the level of killings for the slightest infraction.

        Btw, your namesake of the civilisation does kill for slight infractions.

  32. To say Muslims don’t support sharia, is like saying, Buddhists don’t believe in Buddha.

    or that Christians don’t support the existance of Christ.

    Fanciful.

    Waaaah!

    I see waysists! I see waysists!

    Help, da waycists are coming!

    • Buddhism is about reaching enlightenment, and is essentially linked with finding ‘god within the self’. Buddha was once a prince, held up high, but cast away his royal status and became a hermit. It is not about believing in Buddha himself. It is adhering to his teachings- which tend to concentrate on spiritual health of the individual. Taoism is similar in some respects.

  33. Waycists!

    Bogans!

    Bigots!

    Nick Grwiffin waaah!

    EDL waaaah!

    APP waaaah!

    AFP waaaah!

    One nation…..heeeeelp!

    Anti-intewectuals…waaah!

    Run fer yer ferkin liiiiiiiives!!

    The waycists are coming!

    • Are you going to respond to the references to rape and murder in the Bible?
      Are you going to find evidence to suggest that Muslims are killing non-believers and raping/marrying young children and stoning people and cutting off hands and mutilating genitals – in Australia – over the past 100+ years?
      Are you going to acknowledge that the only comments from Islamic leaders regarding the installation of Sharia law into Australian legislation is in total disregard to the inhumanities mentioned in the last sentence?
      Are you going to cite your sources as anti-Islam rather than as credible Islamic sources?
      Are you going to fuck off?

  34. Unfortunately. I cited directly from the Koran & hadith. Scroll thru & c 4 yourself.

    If thats not enough I don’t know what is.

    Rape & murder in bible is not practiced by Christian churches anywhere in the world today. & I will not respond to these postings whatsoever.

    In total disregard? Surely you jest.

    The inhumanities are practiced elsewhere. Not in Australia. Only because the rule of law is not Islamic. however with you & your leftist friends condoning the continuing spread of this cult & Muslims wanting a ‘parallel’ legal system that could change, as these ‘inhumanities’ as you correctly call them are justified from their source documents.

    The fact these ‘inhumanities’ do not occur (yet) here is completely irrelevant.

    Evidently you don’t give a rats about people that suffer elsewhere though.

    & if I don’t respond you’ll do what?

    Get a grip.

    What you are running here is a hate site. The very thing you rail against. Hate against ‘bogans’, your words, not mine.

    So get off your moral high horse.

    • If you don’t justify those verses, Cynthia, your claims of “boo hoo the Muslims are taking over” are nothing but worthless hypocrisy.

      If you say the fact that inhumanities don’t occur in Australia is irrelevant, but Muslims still have to explain those Quranic verses, guess what Einstein – the fact that Christians in Australia don’t follow those violent passages about rape and murder is also irrelevant and you still have to respond to those verses – otherwise you look like a pathetically weak moron who can dish out hate but just can’t take it when it’s thrown back at you.

      At any rate you’re wrong – the Catholic Church (yes in Australia) does have a problem with sexual abuse.

      Yes, the anti-bogan site is a hate site against intellectually deficient oxygen thieves like yourself. “boo hoo! Bogans are being attacked! The Muslims are coming! Taking over! Shariah! Wah wah wah!” 😀

    • Quoting directly from the Qu’ran doesn’t make something an Islamic source if it ignores context. Would you call the list of references to rape and murder in the Bible a ‘Christian source’?

      So let’s take a look at your logic so far:

      * Some Muslims commit atrocities such as murder and rape. And because you can find quotes in the Qu’ran that in your warped incomprehensible mind encourage and promote these acts, you believe that all Muslims alive today are waiting for their chance to follow suit, because their book apparently tells them to.
      * Some Christians and Catholics commit atrocities such as murder and rape. But despite there being plenty of evidence suggesting that passages in the Bible, when quoted in the same kind of context as you are quoting the Qu’ran, are encouraging and promoting these acts, it doesn’t count?

      Are you aware of how many innocent lives have been taken by the Western forces in Iraq and Afghanistan? And here we have evidence that people are killing in the name of God… The US Army has Bible inscriptions on their guns for fuck’s sake!

      100,000+ civilians dead – Iraq

      890,000+ civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

      Now, you’d be well aware of how the media are more than happy to publicise a person’s ‘Muslimness’ if they’ve found their way into the sensationalist columns. But how many articles have you read about murderers or rapists or pedophiles being Christians? If Denis Ferguson was a Muslim, it would have been publicised. If Martin Bryant was a Muslim, it would have been publicised. And despite nearly all atrocities being committed by Muslims are being committed by men, you’d rather draw the connection with religion rather than with gender. Stats on murdering, raping, child-assaulting Muslim women? But don’t they read the same holy book?

      And throughout all of this debate, you’ve constantly said that Muslims in Australia were directly comparable to the oppressed, fighting-for-our-lives-and-freedom Muslims living overseas in places like Palestine. Are you high? Muslims in Australia live with religious freedom in a secular society. They are not fighting a religious war within our country, as they have been granted the right to practice their religion alongside Cathlolics, Buddhists, Hindus and Jews. And they’ve been here, breeding away for over a century. They’ve witnessed our treatment of our Indigenous people, they’ve witnessed our White Australia Policy, and yet they’ve never felt the need to make the presence of Islam felt in some kind of headline making extravaganza to make Australians aware of the power of Islam.

      You’re still yet to find any examples of terrorist attacks in Australia over the past century. You’re still yet to provide any examples of stoning, child brides, cut off hands, pedophilia, rape or murder condoned by the Australian Islamic community, committed in the name of Allah, or in response to passages from the Qu’ran. And you think it’s coming?

      If we ban the burqa, we restrict the right to religious expression in a secular democracy. And if we focus on just one religion, do you not think that it will certainly piss off these people, who are already the most oppressed culture on the face of the planet? Of course. And for what? A guy that robbed a bank? I can enter a bank wearing a bedsheet with holes cut out for eyes. Are we going to ban bedsheets? I can enter a bank wearing a beekeeper mask. Are we going to ban beekeeper masks?

      Inhumanities are going on. We get it. But there’s a difference between the laws of religious freedom and the tolerance shown by most people in society who don’t judge on the basis of race or religion. Are those same laws applicable in the countries you’re referring to? Is the same tolerance shown in the areas of the world where we see civil unrest? It’s totally fucked of you to assume that people who oppose the oppression of people based on their race/religion here in Australia don’t care about what’s going on overseas. Of course we do. But you keep missing the point. Australia is different to these places overseas because of its religious freedom and because of its generally tolerant society. The more you oppress a people, the more they revolt. Imagine the outrage if we were to ban a nun’s habit. Nuns commit the same level of crimes as Muslim women do. Not very many.

      I asked if you will fuck off because there is simply no chance of you getting through to us, nor is there any chance that we will get through to you. Muslims were around before September 11, believe it or not. And they had the same book. But did anyone care, or even notice? Bush senior was good friends with the Bin Ladens. Did anybody raise an eyebrow?

      Muslims in Australia have had ample opportunity to raise hell if they wanted to. They’ve had the opportunity to bomb railway stations, and go on shooting sprees, and stand in crowded shopping centers wearing bombs and all of the things you’ve identified as completely acceptable in their scriptures. And September 11 happened nearly ten years ago. But they haven’t. And at some point you’re going to need to ask yourself why. Because Muslims in Australia study the same holy book as the people overseas.

  35. Let’s talk firstly about “Rape & murder in bible is not practiced (sic) by Christian churches anywhere in the world today.”

    Have you heard there is currently an ongoing paedophile scandal in the Catholic Church? Have you heard that Protestant pastors have also been charged with sexual offences? Have you heard that televangeli$ts preaching hate against gays and lesbians have been caught in compromising situations with same sex partners?

    We have contempt for racists and bigots. We want to protect your innocent victims against your hate speech. You are the hater not us.

    I’m sure that TAB who has an exquisite sense of humour, may play around with some of your posts if you remain here much longer. He does that.

  36. Just to summarise, because I’m not sure how much longer the site admin will allow Spartan/Cynthia to post – right now it seems they’re only letting your comments through for a laugh.

    Spartan/Cynthia’s contribution to this discussion

    a) inability to tell the truth

    You claim to quote verses directly from Quran and hadith but when faced with sites like http://www.evilbible.com you claim it’s a propaganda site and that you “don’t need to search propaganda websites”. Yet a quick search of Google will reveal that not only do you search for them, you cut and paste extensively from sites that are anti-Islamic.

    You also tried to pretend that two Muslims speaking at a single mosque in Sydney about partial Shariah law for Muslims who wished to use it run in parallel with the Australian legal system, represented every Muslim in Australia’s views. Yet you suddenly backtrack when asked to explain Biblical verses of hate, on the grounds that “the church in Australia doesn’t believe in that stuff”. We can put the shoe on the other foot – Westboro Baptist Church has said and done ludicrous things, and using your own logic, that church therefore represents Christians in Australia and you need to explain and justify them. Some Catholic priests have been found to abuse children – again, using your logic and nobody else’s, these incidents of abuse represent the whole of the Catholic church.

    b) hypocrisy

    You complain that this site is a hate site – correct, it is a site that hates racists and bigots, and it is a website about publically accessible hate comments made by racists and bigots.

    There is nothing even remotely as bad as here, as the hatred spewed forth on Stormfront or Australian white supremacist sites – funny, I don’t see you running around making a hue and cry about those sites.

    Presumably you support the right of Australians to discuss topics such as the burqa. I hate to say it, but that right extends to all Australians and all views about the burqa even if they disagree with you.

    So to recap: you’re a liar, a hypocrite, and a bigot, and a pathetically scared and sorry excuse for a human being who is scared of Muslims and scared of a site that exposes the stupidity of racists.

  37. Well I have read all the posts here and I seemed come to one conclusion that I find you Aunty Grogan and your little hand puppets and their profanities to be the judgement of your intelligence.
    The fact that religion dominates your lives suggest you have nothing better to do. I would suggest that if you joined a creed/cult like Islam and because of you’re self proclaimed intelligence (sic) that when you had had enough of said creed/cult Islam (sic) and wanted to get out/resign/leave. According to this (creed/cult) Islam’s edicts that you would have to live under a rock for fear of being slaughtered as an unbeliever. Which there are many examples of around the world right now.IE. peoples wanting to leave Islam now living in fear of their lives.
    Once upon a time Nuns wore habits which became outdated and archaic also you’re hand puppets have brought up several examples of Christianity (rape & Murder) (sic) in the bible which Christianity will rule the day that it was ever mentioned. However the Christians have at least had the decency to give up or change indiscretions in their creed and bible.
    Islam and the Quran on the other hand will never change it is obvious in the complete rejection to never change the Quran. Hence Shariah law which goes hand in hand with the Quran will never change. I suggest that a form of Shariah in Australia will never be introduced in the first place so there is no argument to this debate/thread. Oh, they the Muslims will try and try and try.
    I suggest that there is no place what so ever for either creeds/cults ideologies in a democratic country such as Australia.
    I still see if you can’t intelligently debate issues, you have to use profanities to communicate you’re bigoted, racist, hatred for your fellow Australians.
    Oh one more thing It’s only one individual that is actually giving you the oxygen to post here (Spartan).
    I think you should give her accolades for the privilege to debate as no sane intelligent person would waste their time normally with you Aunty Grogan and your leftist Social Alliance red little hand puppets.

    • LMAO – dismissing anyone else but Spartan’s views on the grounds of profanities and insults – that’s ALL you have RTWOI? All you can do is accuse an anti-racist website of bigotry and hatred for fellow Australians. Have you actually read this site? I haven’t seen you ONCE condemn the racism that is exposed here day after day after day yet you expect us to believe that all of a sudden you’re concerned about “hatred for fellow Australians”. You mean Australians who are white and hold racist views – you couldn’t give a rat’s arse about any other Australians, it’s okay if hatred is directed at them. Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocritical, transparent and intellectually dishonest imbecile.

      This will be like shooting fish in a barrel, but here we go.

      “you are a extreme leftist & you lerve terrorists.”

      “What you are running here is a hate site. The very thing you rail against. Hate against ‘bogans’, your words, not mine. get off your moral high horse.”

      “I scour the internet cuz 4 U bro caus U a dumb uni student. UR dumber than the bogans.”

      “Having trouble getting your pea brain around that fact? Still trying to make excuses for your Islamo apes?”

      “That goes to show how theologically ignorant you are. Completely clueless. What are you another Muslim shyster?”

      “You fruitloop. The niqab freaks & their caveman cult can !@#@!@ off!”

      Yes, RTWOI, these are all from Spartan – the person you hold up as the epitome of insult-free, hate-free, intelligent debate. And she was so good at it that you felt you had to jump in and defend her. Well done. Care to teach us anything else about intelligent debate? Have any other models we can learn from?

    • Some more gems of intelligent debate from Spartan.

      “No idiot, those are the words we created, to define you freaks.

      “you’re a text book far left wanker.”

      “Your word bank? You idiot. You’re the open border freaks”

      “Lots of books? Noooo. Wow, such perception. clearly you haven’t read any, except the socialist Alliance & Fabian instruction manuals. Piss off.”

      “I bet you went to uni too, can I be the first to give you & your latte sipping boyfriends a big clap? I bet UR Mummy is proud of U. I bet you believed everything your commie lecturer said eh? gullible? No surely not? Well we know what happens to students that disagree with their lecturers don’t we?”

      “Get the fire extinguisher out out before U decide- u might overheat your pea brain. ( & we gotta keep dem green house gases down) Oh yeah don’t forget to put the bong down as well. (almost forgot)”

      “Quick, better look up one of dem gov web sites 4 sum bullshit stats.”

      She’s so classy RTWOI. She’s so intelligent. She speaks English very well. She is the epitome of facts and logic. We should all learn from her and criticise the use of insults and profanities from anyone else but her. She’s so smart and clever and she doesn’t need to resort to any hatred to make her point.

  38. Religion doesn’t dominate our lives. Most people posting here are non-believers. We just happen to be tolerant of just about everything except the hate vomiting up from you and your cronies.

    I don’t feel privileged to “debate” Spurty/Cynthia whatever it is. You’d get better responses from a cage full of geriatric parrots. In fact reading all the spew from hate sites you lot are cutting and pasting here tells me there are a lot of psychological problems in the xenophobe coven.

    “I am a hard man and pride myself on being as (sic) a tough Aussie”

    Recognise that quote? You’re no tough guy, you’re a bigoted sook. Go away “Jimmy” before we turn your post into a gimp’s lament.

  39. “Why the fuck do you exist?”
    To annoy people like you. It brings me immense joy that your life is so devoid of meaning that you get really worked up about this site.

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  41. Hirsi Ali is the new poster girl for the neo-con Taliban in the US. She has as much political cred as Darrin Hodges.

    The right wing will dump her eventually when they’ve rung her dry.

    That was on Lateline, I switched over to ABC News24 after a minute of boredom.

    You remind me of a flasher getting his wang out every time he sees someone passing by..

    *Yawn*

  42. “Glad you admitted it. Now go away. I’m sure there’s some innocent immigrants to bash or women to abuse”

    Funny you should say that Josh, due to the fact that a lot of bashings etc on the Indian ‘students’ were carried out by other ethnic ‘enrichers’ & indeed by other Indians in some cases.

    • That’s next Monday’s Four Corners promo. Wow that tells me heaps. Gee a TV promo site.

      That’s going to really convert people here to ignorant yobbo Islamophobia like yours. Bet we’ll all rush out and join the addled…err.ADL… or whatever other fringe groupuscule you represent.

      Give up Nazi Boy, no one here is interested.

  43. Funny you should mention Nazi’s Josh.

    But socialists & communists killed far more than the Nazi’s ever did.

    Islamophobia? No i’m not scared of them mate. but i’ll say this, the alternate lifestylers definitely need to be scared, because they believe in capital punishment for those of that ilk.

  44. UPDATE 2.07pm: POLICE are concerned that parents and other adults became involved in a 100-person brawl near a Craigieburn school yesterday.
    Racial tensions between an “Islander” group of students and others have been blamed by some witnesses for the wild scenes, during which two police officers were attacked and a school principal was affected by capsicum spray.
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/police-forced-to-use-capsicum-spray-arrest-three-after-breaking-up-brawl/story-e6frf7kx-1225901799817
    obviously……. multiculturalism is working……….just fine.

  45. Just wait and see the hastily cobbled together excuses for that, Spartan!
    Watch how quickly liberals ascribe that to Australian “racism” and “bigotry”.
    So-called ‘multi-culturalism’ is unfolding in Australia exactly as it has in every other country it has been instigated in, and that’s just how they want it!
    Time to say STOP!

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  47. Just to smackdown this uninformed title of this “Ban the Burqa? Anti-Islam (Aussie Pride) Rears Its Ugly Head Again” BS title

    I guess that you have to say that the Syrian government is also Anti-Islam , Bogan,xenophobic,Islamophobic…why?
    You guessed it…But lets not stop there,

    On July 18, Syria ‘s Education Ministry announced a ban on niqabs—full face veils and robes, similar to burqas—in all of the country’s public and private universities.

    “We have given directives to all universities to ban niqab-wearing women from registering,” said an anonymous government official in an Associated Press report.

    The ban is intended to secure Syria’s identity as a secular nation.

    In June, Barcelona banned burqas and niqabs from government buildings, issuing a statement that asserted that the garments “hinder personal indentification.” Several smaller town in Spain, which has a Muslim population of 47 million,

    April, Belgium was the first European country to ban burqas. Bruno Tuybens,

    Malaysia
    Public servants are forbidden from wearing the full-face niqab.A judgment from the then-Supreme Court of Malaysia cites that the niqab, or purdah, “has nothing to do
    with (a woman’s) constitutional right to profess and practise her Muslim religion”,

    Kosovo
    The government of Kosovo banned the headscarf in schools in late 2009 because Kosovo is a secular country.

    • 1. So when was the last time you saw any fully-concealing women’s garb in an Australian workplace?

      2. Turkey banned headscarves for women way back at the beginning of the 20th Century, along with the fez for men. So what?

      3. Why should we base our laws regarding what women wear on what a bunch of bigoted Australian men want?

      4. Let me know when you see a woman wearing fully concealing garments and working in the police, the fire services, on building and construction sites or in mines. They are the main areas where there might be OH&S issues.

      So get this – we are indifferent to religion and religious customs but we know when there’s another agenda being pushed besides your pretend “concern”.

      Go back to Boganistan and take your white supremacist shite with you.

  48. “Go back to Boganistan and take your white supremacist shite with you.”

    You really owned me there….I don’t know what to say..apart from pointing out your hypocrisy.

    Im a Bogan white supremacist because I share the same views as some predominately Islamic country’s and many Muslims.

    Im also against my son coming home with”what did Jesus look like” home work,followed by a complaint to the headmaster…no problems there right?..no of course not..Good YA bobby…stick up for your rights….dont let them bible freaks indoctrinate your kids…

    But what Is I say Im against “bring the Islamic perceptive in the into the classroom”?
    Bigot,racist,Islamophob,bogan,KKKFooker..bla.bla bla.

    Yes Im an Atheist,Im against ALL sky fairy religions and mostly against the 3 Arabian desert religions,the most destructive the world has known.

    It is bigoted men whom are unwilling to control their sexual urges and relay that responsibility upon women by intimation and indoctrination(“its part of our religion”).Of course the men of” Boganistan” also avoid this responsibility as well as the fool who wrote the opening of this thread who is completely oblivious to the real issue..”ban the burqa because some bank got robbed by a guy wearing a burqa”..lol
    Remember the Cat&the meat think sheik speech???
    If she was in her room and in her niqab this(rape) would not of happened.

    I do not want my son to grow up with this backward thinking that women somehow lack modesty or morality by what that do or do not wear…dont you think we have enough of this already in Boganistan…look at that slut in the tight shorts..and Allah forbid a Muslima exposing the ankle …she must be into Mut’ah

    This site “claims” its members are atheists,but I would describe them as compliant whistlers.

  49. Honestly, why do you guys even bother responding to the bigoted posts of the “Aussie Pride” mob. They have obviously made up their minds, already , and are not interested in anyone else’s opinion. Thank God they are a tiny minority in this country. the vast majority of Australians are tolerant, peaceful people. While I feel your frustration, I do appreciate you speaking up for Muslms’ rights. Thank you.

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