Fit In or Fuck Off

  1. *Sticker posted on a car produced in Japan.

The Aussie ‘way of life’ has long been proclaimed as including the following: playing sport, watching sport, eating meat, speaking English, drinking, going to the beach and being a ‘larrikin’.

lar ri kin |ˈlarikin|

noun Austral.

a boisterous, often badly behaved young man.

  1. •a person with apparent disregard for convention; a maverick : [as adj. ] the larrikin trade union leader.

Last time I checked, sport was played all over the world, as was eating meat, as was drinking, as was enjoying the sun and the water. English is spoken by all 2nd generation migrants and most 1st generation migrants in Australia.

Cheers for your public display of intolerance at the expense of devaluing your car and making people aware of your insecurity and low self esteem.

172 thoughts on “Fit In or Fuck Off

  1. Nope…. were full! We are a british colony, we speak english. The country was built by Anglo saxon Australians. Foreigners need to adapt to our way of life and our culture. Yes, believe it or not we have a culture too!! Something needs to be done. Good on the person with the sticker, our culture is fading away, do we want this country to end up like China or India. I think not. Lets remember who built this country and defended it.

    • “We are a british colony, we speak english.”
      Bzzt wrong. We stopped being a colony of Britain with the Statute of Westminster in the 1940s, and the Australia Act 1986.
      “Yes, believe it or not we have a culture too!! ”
      Love the complete contradiction. If we are a British colony we don’t have a culture. FOOL.

  2. Hypothetically, Imagine if thousands of Aussi westerners migrated to china (this in real life would never happen), they collected their governments welfare, then when they went to look for work called anyone who rejected their applications a racist. Made insulting remarks about the chineese people and their traditions. Did not assimilate into the population, kept on speaking English sh’ll be right mate gee these chineese are racist, why aren’t they embracing us with open arms? ..lets bring in more westerners if any of the Chineese object their just racists.. Can you she how one sided and short term the whole pro a big multicultural Australia is?

    Can you see this kind of thing happening anywhere else in the world? Why Australia? I’d love to see a non western country open up to immigration… .

    If you haven’t realised half the country is a dry desert where are we going to put all these people? Clearly they are all just coming here for money and a better life. But as a tax payer should I be paying for this? All the cities roads are already choked. Whats the plan?? I’m sure everyone would love to see the place just like india or china. lets see if we can get the population to one hundred million yeah thats gonna improve the standard of living!! Maybe if Australia funded a project to keep their populations in control, (condoms anyone? ) and make life better for them over there with more opportunities, some Aussies would support that…………. but is that really our responsibility? Maybe those countries should take responsibility for their problems. They still have slave labour and unsanitary conditions in a lot of those places. And as for the lucky migrants that come here, do consider yourself lucky. Don’t go around bad mouthing white aussies. Because if you don’t pull the head in and fit in you won’t be respected. That simple.

    • Imagine if hundreds of Aussie racists suddenly disappeared from the face of the Earth and were replaced by decent hard-working immigrants. I’d pay to see that. 😀

    • This does and has happened. In 2010 over 13000 Australians lived in mainland China and over 46 000 live in Hong Kong (in case you don’t know, Hong Kong is part of China, I don’t think geography is a strength for you). Now, I hate to say it, but a large percentage of these people (no clear data on this as how do you collect it? These numbers are my experience), I would say around 40% have no interest in doing anything to ‘fit in’. There are plenty that make a minimal effort i.e. learn a little mandarin ect. and then a few that go full hog. So how bout you think before you talk and actually try and not a fucktard.

      As for non western nations taking in refuges, try so facts.
      Algeria took 94000 refugees, Egypt 95000, Ecuador 123000, Venezuela 202000, Iran 886000, Pakistan 1702000, China 301000, India 185000, Nepal 72000, Bangladesh 229000, Malaysia 86000, Thailand 89000, Jordan 451000, Yeman 214000, Syria 755000, Australia 23000.

      So, the glorious and wealth nation of Nepal, that has a GDP of 1.2% of ours, takes 32% MORE refuges than us. Get your head out of your own arse and do something usefull to the nation, instead of being a dumbarse.

  3. white people blah blah

    Boring white supremacist shit.

    It is not racist for them to want to maintain their identity and culture.

    “White” is neither a national origin, an ethnic group nor a culture. It’s an absence of melanin pigment.

    “White people” came from somewhere else anyway.

    White aussies are concerned that they are becoming a minority in the country

    You mean the ones who hang around hate groups are?

    because of the large numbers of migrants from foreign countries.

    Everyone in this country is an immigrant or descended from one unless they are Indigenous.

    This is a valid post, there is a lot of concern over immigration I find it childish that you take down any post which contradicts and balances the big anti bogan talk.

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  4. so mature giving out information like that.. 🙂 who cares?? 1934258548
    there is no question that all people from all different places all over the world have all sorts of special talents abilities etc. Thats all great and most people acknowledge and respect that. Most “bogans” or red necks or what ever other degrading name you have probably are no more racist than any other people. I’m yet to see the connection, other than people being plain inflamatory.

    As mentioned Modern Australia the cities as we know them were built from scratch, and YES it was built by White people specifically a mix of Anglo saxon celtic and norman groups from Britain and who would have guessed they built these cities for their own people who share the same culture and all look similar! Thats outrageous you say! Fancy that! WhoThe F would have thought. They built the cities for their people!! your kidding me.. Really? I thought they built them for the kangaroos!! They are a people?? They identify as a group? fancy that. Their all pale with coloured eyes different shades of hair and look different from other people from around the world. But they can’t have any identity their not a people or group they just have an absence of melanin – what ignorance!!!!!!!!!!

    ps give up on the hard done by racist crap, everyone is so afraid of being labelled a racist that immigrant have more rights and opportunity than 5th generation kids of war vetrans!. Don’t complain. If your given a given a better go in your home country then there is a method of transportation so that you can get away from the bogans and rednecks you so dislike. people will always make insensitive remarks etc move on.
    Once again Australia built from nothing by westerners for westerners it is only fair we decide who we let come stay. 18779425 jimmy cricket for anyone who cares.

    • They are a people?? They identify as a group?

      We don’t identify in any way with your kind. Nor do the vast majority of white Australians.

      This is what we think of you.

    • “YES it was built by White people specifically a mix of Anglo saxon celtic and norman groups from Britain and who would have guessed they built these cities for their own people who share the same culture and all look similar! Thats outrageous you say! Fancy that! ”

      I love how the bogans think that apparently we were all the some monocultural group in the origins of Australia.
      They can only think that, of course, becuase they put their modern views of what a “white” person is to the 18th century. Let me tell you this, the first fleet was a mix of English, scottish, Irish and Jews. They had a religious mix of Judiasm, protestantism and catholocism. Now, you may think that’s all a united group-but then you would have to ignore the religious history of the last 6 centuries.

      Following this we had French migrants, German migrants, and Chinese migrants, which the bogan likes to pretend doesn’t not count as Multicultural because, damn it, we’re all one united gorup., ignoring the majority of wars in Europe in the last millenia!.

      This is the same group that think that Greek and Italian migrants are a-okay, it’s just the Asians, Africans, other non-white migrants who don’t beling. This forgets of course that when Greeks and Italians arrived in Australia they were treated exactly like the Asians, Mulsims and Africans were seen-as people who didn’t belong, who ate weird food and had funny names….and then we all grew to accept them-even the far right (Who by this stage were complaining about Asians).

      ” that immigrant have more rights and opportunity than 5th generation kids of war vetrans!.”

      Example exactly how immigrants have more rights that a 5 generation child of a war veteran.

      “Don’t complain. If your given a given a better go in your home country then there is a method of transportation so that you can get away from the bogans and rednecks you so dislike. ”

      So, just to be clear, you think migrants (Or to be exact non-western migrants), do not have the right to complain in Australia? If someone insults them because of their skin colour, or they get passed over a job because of their name, then they just have to accept it, because if they don’t like it, they should go home?

      Hell, are migrants even allowed to go to the police if they’ve been assaulted? After all, that’s complaining!

      How can you support free speech, if you think any migrant isn’t allowed to have it?

  5. For the FOOL who also needs to properly learn history. If your ‘learning’ this your probably never going to get it from the right sources. There are people today who think the first moon landing was some big fake lol As time moves on people like distort the truth. England mate, England. prodominately England which was made up of a mix of people mostly Anglo with norman and celtic. English people came from the surrounding countries of the north sea originally, they differ from Irish and Welsh people trust me, but mixing has occurred.
    EG of immigrants having more rights and opportunities. Open your eyes in a shopping centre in one of the cities. So many shops cafes and food outlets with ONLY non whites working at them.
    Very rarely do you see the shoe on the other foot, with immigrant run businesses employing our young kids looking for part time jobs. They will employ their own but not an Aussie. Often it’s a language barrier. And it probably is… Well I thought we spoke english here! So much for fitting in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they just stay in their clicks.

    A business run by Aussie people is considered RACIST!! if they don’t hire an immigrant.
    Guess it’s just whites that have to bend over backwards for the people migrating here. And we are racist if we don’t. Clearly most migrants only care about their own type getting ahead.
    Also Asian immigrants selling authentic European and Aussie food??! WTF It’s like it’s a joke, but actually not.. Do you see any whites opening up a Authentic Asian resturant?!… we arn’t that desperate and have respect.

    • England mate, England. prodominately (sic) England which was made up of a mix of people mostly Anglo with norman and celtic. English people came from the surrounding countries of the north sea originally, they differ from Irish and Welsh people trust me,

      “Norman” + “Celtic” = mongrel mixes. Kindly learn some prehistory and anthropology before venturing here again. Your assumed “knowledge” makes the real experts here laugh.

      Very rarely do you see the shoe on the other foot, with immigrant run businesses employing our young kids looking for part time jobs.

      Rubbish! Check out most of the fast food outlets, who owns them and whom they employ.

      Also Asian immigrants selling authentic European and Aussie food??!

      We don’t know of any Asians selling bush tucker. Don’t know what hillbilly place you live in but last time we looked Asian restaurants were run by Asian immigrants, Indian restaurants by Indians and Sri Lankans, mostly Tamils etc etc

      Not much call for restaurants serving over-boiled veggies and burnt chops – obviously your preferred cooking.

    • “England mate, England. prodominately England which was made up of a mix of people mostly Anglo with norman and celtic.”

      So all this time I thought you were blocking non-white people, when apparently you’re also blocking all Europeans, Irish, Welsh, and Scots etc.
      Which begs the question, how English does a person have to be to be considered Australian? After all, all of Europe is intermixed anyway-do they need to prove 6 generations of English ancestry to be allowed to stay?

      “EG of immigrants having more rights and opportunities. Open your eyes in a shopping centre in one of the cities. So many shops cafes and food outlets with ONLY non whites working at them.”

      Yes-and these are usualyl the worst paying jobs in the shopping centre. When you go to the shops that actually pay a decent wage, you find a decent mix. So are you complaining that non whits get to have the worst payhing jobs that white Australians don’t apply for?

      Incidentally, stating that “All the shops I see have too many Asians”-is not proof that “Immigrants have more rights than white people”. Try again.

      “Often it’s a language barrier. And it probably is…”

      Yes, you’re right. Some immigrant run businesses only hire people that speak a certain langauge. Tihsi s mostly true with restaurants. Because some of the best chefs are too busy learning to book their food their way. I’m happy for them to have language requirements if they produce amazing food.

      Just as I’m happy to have an English language requirement for any job where the majority of people speak English.
      The fact is that if you don’t speak English you have a huge disadvantage…for yourself. You immediatly cut yourself off from three quarters of the country. Yet the migrants aren’t the ones complaining about this-it’s always white guys like yourself complaining that one store they couldn’t be understood, instead of doing the sensible thing and just going to the next store, where inevitably they will be understood.

      ” Well I thought we spoke english here! So much for fitting in!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they just stay in their clicks.”

      Yes, apparently all migrants just stay with other migrants, and never ever mix in, or learn English. Which is why English is dropping in terms of a common language (It isn’t, well over 80% of the country use it as their primary language. And why migrants never marry outside their culture (They do-Australia has one of the highest interracial marriage rates in the world). And why migrants never ever ever work with people from a different background (Every industry, if it’s large enough, will always have a mix of European, Asian and Australian born workers).

      Mr fake name-are you honestly telling us that every single one of your friends, family, and work colleagues are all English migrants or descended from English migrants, with no other ancestry at all involved? Because if they are-you have no friends. And if they aren’t, then this goes against your belief that all migrants just stay in their cliques (Not clicks-cliques).

      Still waiting to here how you think migrants don’t have the right to complain about anything, but still support free speech.

    • So migrants are given more opportunities than those of us who have white skin because there are a lot of them working in shopping centres and cafes? WTF?
      Most politicians and business leaders are white men… but I guess they never got much of an opportunity did they.
      And btw, I have seen ‘white’ people working in Chinese cafes and restaurants but only a few times. The main reason for this is that ‘white’ people rarely apply to work in these places.

  6. If you travel you can see for yourself.
    Not many white people in Asia, Don’t kid yourself. The small number is just a drop in the ocean if you want to pull out numbers maybe pull out the numbers of the populations
    China 1.3 Billion! Australia 22 million roughly to give a comparison. so percentage wise in comparison to the total population the numbers Australia has been taking in is a vastly bigger percentage of our population. Dumbarse! The numbers we have been taking in for our small population are rediculous. Pull out all the figure you like they don’t make your argurement any stronger. The world has finite resources, the fish in the ocean, fresh water, land for farming. The other countries do not have the standard of living we have. Travel some and you will see. Here everyone has a house with electricity, a car etc, and for our small population that is fine and sustainable, but our cities are also becoming choked, you can not just keep building roads etc, that costs money. At some point you need to re evaluate. You have to think of the future generations. We have taken in way too many people already. It doesn’t matter what other countries want to do living on top of one another. I would much rather the country stayed small and didn’t become full of refugees and large numbers of migrants, most other Aussies agree.

    • I would much rather the country stayed small and didn’t become full of refugees and large numbers of migrants

      Send back the First Fleet descendants then. They devastated the original population of this land.

      most other Aussies agree

      You don’t speak for anyone except yourself.

    • “I would much rather the country stayed small and didn’t become full of refugees and large numbers of migrants, most other Aussies agree.”

      Every right winger, bigot, bogan and racist who comes here has told me that “The majority of Australians are on my side”-so shwo me that. Tell me how you know the majority of Australians agree with you. Provide some evidence, or just admit “I speak out of my Arse regularly”

      Also, you don’t make sense.

      “The numbers we have been taking in for our small population are rediculous. ”

      Okay, so you’re concerned Australia does not have enough resources or land for people. I disagree absolutely, considering our population and land size compared to many European countries with far greater numbers of asylum seekers, but it’s an arguement.

      But then you say this:

      “The world has finite resources, the fish in the ocean, fresh water, land for farming.”

      Yep-the world is now too over populated. Excuse me-how does having more migrants here effect how many fish are consumed thorugh the world, and how much water is drunk across the planet? Or are you the sort of person who thinks “Well, they can starve to death in their home country-so that’s fine by me for them to do here?”

      “The other countries do not have the standard of living we have. Travel some and you will see. Here everyone has a house with electricity, a car etc, and for our small population that is fine and sustainable, but our cities are also becoming choked, you can not just keep building roads etc, that costs money.”

      But actually it’s our way of life that’s not sustainable. Migrants, if anything, have a more sustainable way of life than Australian born. They tend to have more people living in one dwelling (More sustainable than an Australian born resident who may only have 1-2 person in a huge house), which conserves electricity, space, and other appliances. Their food tends to stretch out basic ingredients (Compare how much meat needs to go into a stir fry and a curry to the amount of meat needed for steak and three veg), conserving our livestock and fish producers. Cars as well tend to be shared by a family, not just owned by individuals (Growing up we had 3 cars in my family-3 cars for 5 people-rdiiculous!).

      And apparently our government is not allowed to spend money. Must have missed the referendum when that happened!

      “You have to think of the future generations. ”

      Just so we’re clear, you support ending all immigration, or cuttign back evenly, with no regard to the skin colour of the person coming over? I’d still disagree with you, but at least you’d be consistent, and I would respect your view for that. Also it seems that you only are objecting to immigrants coming from non-western backgrounds.

      Also, if you object to immigration entirely, how do you suggest we resolve the skills shortages currently being faced in our medical and mining industries in a way that will not eliminate significant amounts of revenue for Australia?

    • Population is not the key criteria, GDP is a much better indication, as it reflects the wealth of our nation. So again, using the right and glorious nation of Nepal, a GDP of 1.2% of ours, takes 32% MORE refuges than us. Population really isn’t a big issue in relation to how many people can be, for lack of a better term, ‘afforded’ by a nation. IN GDP per refuge, we are 79th.

      However, if you want to talk about per population, using the UN refuge statistics, we took, in 2011, 0.98 per 1000 population. This places us at 69th on the ladder, behind Armenia, Libya, Sierra Loin, South Africa, Jordan, Rwanda ect.

      So, perhaps you want it compared to some western nations. Ok, here you go.
      Sweden: 82,629 – 8.81 per 1,000 population
      Switzerland: 48,813 – 6.37 per 1,000 population
      Germany: 594,269 – 7.22 per 1,000 population
      France: 200,687 – 3.20 per 1,000 population
      Canada: 165,549 – 4.87 per 1,000 population
      United Kingdom: 238,150 – 3.84 per 1,000 population

      Source:http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jun/20/refugee-statistics-unhcr-data (links to the UN report)

      Your assumption comes from various statements made by both the government and opposition about this, that are just lies. I don’t know if you know this, but politicians sometimes lie about things.

      In relation to your statement about travel, as a bit of a cashed up young engineer, I do actually travel quite a bit, both for work, and pleasure. One thing that I like to do is go visit uni friends back home in their Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, China (both mainland and Hong Kong) and half a dozen other developing nations. I also like to go along with Engineers without Borders whenever I can, I think they do good work.

      Now, I am an engineer, so I think of the world in numbers, so if you ask me, in any adult debate about something that can be clearly demonstrated in numeric or other statistical forms, they do in fact make the argument stronger. If you chose to refuse to acknowledge statistics, or call bullshit without any kind of evidence, as far as I am concerned, you are not able to sit at the table with the grown-ups to engage in conversation.

      As for infrastructure, first, I will list my qualifications for discussion on the matter. I have a bachelor of civil engineering with a major in infrastructure, am a charted engineer with Engineers Australia, and am currently doing a masters in infrastructure engineering.

      I agree with you at some points in regards to infrastructure and population growth. World wide population growth is a major ecological and cultural/humanitarian concern, and one of two things needs to happen.

      1) As a world, acknowledged this and deal with it. This means getting all religious groups to fully support contraception, colossal, unprecedented spending on global poverty and a whole lot of other stuff.
      2) We band together to get to space. Here me out, I attended a lecture from an aerospace engineering in Germany talking about this. Currently, we are close to having the ability to building a space elevator. It is enormously costly, but feasible. To do it, Eu space, Russia space, Japan space and if possible, US and china space need to combine. This is the key component to modern space exploration. Then, we either need to develop the means to go beyond our solar system, or terraform Mars. I am a proponent of Mars because as JFK said, “We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.” I can’t find a link to the lecture series so I won’t go to deep into this, plenty of literature on this if you are further interested.

      But I digress.

      Our current infrastructure is not up to the current strains on it, let alone that of population growth. However, this is not due to anything ‘special’ about Australia, it’s due to the fact that for the past 20-30 years, there has been a notable shift in governments away from spending money on proper infrastructure development. Labour, Liberal, National, all as guilty as each other.

      This does not mean that Australia can’t grow any more. By actually sending money on proper infrastructure, such as roads, trains, ports ect, We can solve this.

      Lets do a little thought experiment here. Tasmania has a population of around 500 000, and has a land mass of around 90 000 m^2. The Netherlands, which falls under the same climate zone, similar rainfall, is around 41 000 m^2 and has a population of 16 7000 000. It also ranks 3rd on the HDI list, one behind Australia.

      But you don’t want to live in Tasmania, which is fair enough, I wouldn’t want to live there. Let’s talk about alternatives for water, the key to a lot of your concerns, mainly water and food production. The Sydney Kurnell Desalination Plant was built for the price tagger of 1.88 billion, round up to 2, and produces the water for 15% of Sydney, with the option for a 100 million upgrade to 30%. Included in the price is the cost of building a wind farm to make it 100% energy sustainable. This means that by spending 2 billion a year, in 30 years, our current pop could be sustained by entirely generated water, with a cheep upgrade to more than double our pop.

      Now, this is crazy and no-one is suggesting it. However, it demonstrates that we are able to, and not the expensive for what it is, generate all the water we need.

      Also, I am not a bloody environmental engineer, but I know a few that tell me that our food system is actually pretty dam inefficient. As an engineer, one of the key things is to cut out inefficiently. I don’t claim to have the answer for this, but there clearly is one.

      Also, a lot of the water issues can be solved simply upgrading our water grid so it isn’t a steaming pile of crap.

    • As any year 12 doing Health and Human development in VCE can tell you, there is enough food in the world to feed every one. Come back here when you have the knowledge of a year 12 student.

      • With regards to the sticker, I think that the person is being very provocative. People can live however they like when they migrate to a country. A lot of the migrants have better manners than the Australian born, so maybe some Australian born people should touch up on their English skills and manners.

      • Drunken illiterate Australians are a laughing stock to people from other countries. Thankfully they are the minority, but you do still see and hear the odd one unfortunately.

    • I think driving on Australian roads is not a strength of some of these immigrants.

      The worst drivers by far in statistical terms are homegrown yob males between the ages of 18 and 25. This is one reason why our third party insurance is so expensive.

  7. “So how bout you think before you talk and actually try and not a fucktard.” Probably also don’t want to let people in from violent places.

    I’d like to question what you are trying to achieve with this site. A small number of facebook users post racist comments, and you want to ruminate over what some person you don’t even know has said on their facebook? These social media sites are as cool as aids anyway, but what your creating here is just another platform to facilitate this kind of thing…. why don’t you just contact Facebook and get them to take down racist comments. I don’t see what this site is achieving, I actually think it amplifies things.

    • Because facebook does not take these messages down. If facebook actually acted on the complaints it receives, and actually had some regulation, this site would not need to exist. As it is currently, Facebook is only removing hate groups when pushed from external media.

  8. Maybe look at the reasons WHY some people are writing these comments. Most people are accommodating and tolerant, but to a point….

    • The comments being posted on this site include calling for and supporting the murder of children.

      I await your justification of this.

  9. Certainly you think our knowledge and views have changed in the last 300 years, right? Or are all your values the same as an early 18th century worker?

    If so, what are you doing using a computer, or as you probably think of it, mystical glowing and vibrating box placed on a bench-tis the devil’s work I say. T’ain’t natural.

  10. You could always just add the person as a friend and send them a private message or email to take it down, I would think that would be more effective, you don’t need to rip into bogans in the process.

    • So, someone makes an offensive message, a message that is often violent, and usualyl illegal, and I need to add them as a friend, whereby they will have access to the details of my friends and families (And many of the people featured on this site do go after family members), and hope that a person who is declaring that he wants to kill people with dark skin may just listen to reason?

      Give it a shot, let me know how you go. As a week ago I was talking to a guy on this site who was convinced the world was run by the UN secretly, so they could save the life of frogs-I don’t think reason is going to be very convincing.

  11. I haven’t seen anything like that. Why would you give your time to anything like that anyway? Most of the time it’s just someones opinion

    Explain why “It does happen” posted a comment Aug 30 appearing above comments posted Aug 28. Did it take two days to come up with the most flowery juvenile shit I have heard?? LOL
    You try really hard to sound smart, but actually getting to the point would help. A little substance and direction on your tangent like writing – keep trying.
    Point: Ever notice that some of these countries your mentioning are fucked up countries in the middle of war etc. We have a stable country, a high standard of living, nothing like any of the countries you are mentioning, want to measure that numerically? Well if you noticed in your travels living in Australia in most people’s objective opinion is a 10 out of 10! Living in those countries you mention is a minus two out of 10! And it is the people who make the country the great place it is, lets keep it that way.

    Ps you could say you’ve been been to …. and work as….. but for the people who actually have travelled and seen what immigration has done to other countries and arn’t reading something off the internet, it’s a bit different. Once again your numbers on refugees do not have any substance with respect to immigration in Australia.

    • Still awaiting your answer to this:
      “So, someone makes an offensive message, a message that is often violent, and usualyl illegal, and I need to add them as a friend, whereby they will have access to the details of my friends and families (And many of the people featured on this site do go after family members), and hope that a person who is declaring that he wants to kill people with dark skin may just listen to reason?”

      “I haven’t seen anything like that.”

      One APP member supporting child murder Ander Breivik:
      https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2011/11/12/a-history-of-violence-the-app-and-anders-breivik/
      https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/little-white-clown-hodges-continues-with-self-image-sabotage/

      Another post calling for the murder of all asylum seekers:
      https://theantibogan.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/i-volunteer-to-murder-all-of-them/

      ” Why would you give your time to anything like that anyway? Most of the time it’s just someones opinion”

      Wait, so I’m meant to accept a person cheering, encouraging or supporting the murder of innocents, because it’s their opinion? I’m sorry, gumby, you must be new to this country. In this wonderful place called Australia, actually calling for the murder of anyone is actually against the law-and the murder of children is actually looked upon harshly.

      Just to be clear, gumby, if the above comments were not about asylum seekers and Norwegian children, but were instead about your children, cousins, or family-would you be so quick to ignore it. Would you tell a person who said “I will gladly kill your children” that “Well I don’t agree with you, but feel free to talk about murdering my kids more. Have you got any suggestions for how to make it work?”

      But come one, you or one of your sock puppets stated that we should look into the reason “why” people are making these statements. Tell me how understanding why the above comments calling for the murder of innocents will suddenly making it all better.

      “€Ever notice that some of these countries your mentioning are fucked up countries in the middle of war etc. ”

      Well, Vietnam isn’t. Thailand and Hong Kong have never been. Malaysia isn’t. But hey, I’m sure in oyur travels to the shops and back you have a better story to tell.

      And just to be clear, the Asian community of Australia, with members dating back to the gold rush in Victoria, they are not fitting in, according to you? So those impressive involvement in business, success in creating industry and succeed in all fields of work-that’s not fitting in? How exactly does an Asian person “fit in” to a degree that satisfies you?

      “And it is the people who make the country the great place it is, lets keep it that way. ”

      So, Australia can’t take migrants, because they come from “bad” countries, and Australia is an amazing country, and taking people from any countries that aren’t as good as Australia will make it worse, right?

      Well, surely this was not always the case. I mean, you think some migrants were okay, or are you saying only Aborigines are allowed to be Australian? If not, at what point did Australia become so amazing that having any migrant from any other country would just make it worse? Give me a decade at least for when it happened.

      “but for the people who actually have travelled and seen what immigration has done to other countries and arn’t reading something off the internet, ”

      So, you don’t say immigration is hurting Australia, but you’re sure it’s going to, because you’ve travelled to other countries, right, and seen the disaster over there? But you’ve no evidence that immigration is in anyway harming Australia, only some prediction that Australia will copy another country where you tihnk it didn’t go so well?

      Where exactly have you travelled, gumby, and what have you actually seen first hand? Because if you are going to be all high and mighty about people with lived expeirence in Australia as not being representative, but base all your beliefs on some crappy webpage like stormfront…it’d be a little embarrassing for you, wouldn’t it?

    • I’m sorry that I do not check this site every day, so sometimes, it would take a little while to post a reply.

      So Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, France Canada and the UK are not stable countries with a high standard of living? I ask what world you are living in. Have you ever been to Canada? Everyone there was always incredibly helpful, very kind and are not living hard by any stretch of the imagination.

      So, we now return to your statement that to rest of the world is irrelevant to Australian immigration policy. Well, lets play your game a bit and limit it to western countries. And you know what, lets do it with nations directly comparable to Australia, as in our neighbours at the top of the HDI list. Again, Australia 0.98 per 1000 pop,

      Netherlands: 1 below us of the HDI index, 4.51 per 1000.
      Norway, the top HDI country in the world, 8.24 per 1000.

      These are both nations that are directly comparable with Australia, similar, and better, living standards taking vastly higher immigration intakes. In addition, these are similar values to there previous commitments, see the UN reports for more info.

      So, if the evidence from from other nations clearly shows that these nations, as identical to Australia as we can get, that we can sustain a much larger refuge intake.

      Now, you keep saying that the only thing that matters in what YOU have directly seen. If this is what you believe, it means that you believe that most science is bullshit then. I can’t see the forces in buildings, and I haven’t built the same building before, however, I am able to make accurate and reliable calculations on how to design it in accordance to information gained through techniques other than first hand experience.

      I call on you to provide any evidence in support of your claims. Link to a reliable, preferably peer-reviewed source to back up your claims.

  12. “Gumby” has quite a number of different comment identities on this post. One wonders why he is so obsessed with a post over two years old.

    A romantic attachment to the featured car perhaps?

  13. Augest 30th 2012 ? ps may want to mention that a lot of those western countries now acknowledge that for the sake of multiculturalism, foreign immigration has been a failure. Why go down the same path?

    • Multiculturalism is unlike multiculturalism in Europe, where the workers were seen as migrants only, or to be educated into becoming exactly like Europeans. It’s more akin to multiculturalism in Canada or America, where multiculturalism is not seen as a failure.

      So, how exactly has multicutlrualism been a failure in Australia? Be specific.

  14. Foreign workers for mining jobs?? are the minerals going to put on their joggers and run away, does it matter if it takes longer to dig them out, it’s not like they are going anywhere. Jobs for Australians! There is no reason to bring foreigners in we have enough problems caused by forced multiculturalism. Why push our luck with the environment. There might be enough food, there might be enough room, we could build more roads. There might be enough water. This is avoidable. If you care about Australia or the environment you DO NOT want to be letting in boat loads of refugees or plane loads of migrants.

    • Here we go again, another xenophobe pretending to care about the environment and using it as a stalking horse with which to attack immigrants.

      We’ve had the argumentum ad pensionem, do we call yours the argumentum ad greenum perhaps?

    • “Jobs for Australians! ”

      I wasn’t talking so much about the mining jobs (But it is ture that without immediate workers, some mine projects won’t start-bang goes the economy), as I was the health industries. But since you started, how are you proposing to fill all the jobs of mining with austrlaians, considering that Australians already have priority for such jobs and are, by and large, not choosing them?

      Now, back to health, if you are calling for more Australian born doctors-how do youp lan to organise that? Lower the entrance requirements at Australian universities for a medicine degree?
      And pray tell, what will you do in the meantime? It will take 6 years, minimum, to train all the high school students into becoming Doctors, if they wanted to. What will you do with our need for Doctors in the meantime?

      Another issue-ageing Australia. Are you happy to forego retirement and work until you’re 90? Because without younger foreign workers to take your place, that’s what we’re heading to. In my lifetime, the retirement age has increased 7 years-it will definately be 70 or 75 before I retire-and that’s even with young workers.

      “There is no reason to bring foreigners in we have enough problems caused by forced multiculturalism.”

      Which are? Which are these massive problems caused by multiculturalism? And if multiculturalism is so evil, why do all parties that seek to end immigration fail in elections?

      “There might be enough food,”

      There is. Australia exports so much food-we have enough.

      ” there might be enough room,”

      There is. We’re one of the most underpopulated first world nations out there.

      ” we could build more roads. There might be enough water. ”

      Yes and yes there is (in the later case with soem infrastructure sure-but it’s there). So, what you’re saying is, not thati mmigration is going to destroy Australia, but that it might. And that’s why we should destroy our economy by blocking all immigrants, and by doing so destroy our health system, and cripple our higher education system-just because of something which even you are stating may not happen.

      By the way, if you’re so concerned about the environment, pray tell, how are you trying to improve our response to global warming? Or are you, like so many right wingers out there, a person who only cares about the environment, in a form that involves hating brown people?

  15. I think there are a lot of problems in north america from too many immigrants, especially in the west really taking over, not just Australia.

  16. some make a good effort usually the ones that were born here. Letting in too many in a short time makes it harder for everyone to fit in. just my two cents

    • I don’t think the country did too badly after WWII when it took in European refugees and British boat people.

      What makes people think today’s new migrants will be any different?

  17. British boat people my foot. Our tall ships were no boats, they were well built and could make journeys across the globe, no boats son. The country functioned a lot better when migration was in control, and representative of the population.

    • Well this is new. In the spirit of such other bogot beliefs as “Immigrants steal our jobs and are staying on welfare” and “Australia is both underpopulated and overpopulated” we now have “Ships are not boats”

      Moreover, it seems to suggest that we should judge migrants not by what they can bring to Australia, or by the quality of their character, but instead based on how sturdy their boat is.

      “The country functioned a lot better when migration was in control, and representative of the population.”

      Example please. Real world example.

  18. The Netherlands and Norway are comparable to Australia being western countries not like those other countries mentioned in the middle of war etc however the essence of my point is you must conceed to the fact that immigration is a failure in those countries!!!! Nobody wants it!!! so to put it in your supposed terms ..Mr I think I’m an engineer.. give me a pat on the back.. it’s not like some of us also have a degree… If you know from looking at plans if a building is going to work or not, than maybe some foresight with whats happened in Western Europe. You do not know what you are talking about if you think everything over there is fine. It was before multiculturalism. Some of these western countries had extremely low crime rates. Extremely low Quickly find a figure for us mate…. In australia places like Adelaide didn’t even need police etc they were considered good folk, and they were. A lot of places over Australia were like this. Look at places where they haven’t messed with multiculturalism like iceland, for a small population of approx 300 thou(give us the official number mate because if thats the basis of your arguement most people will see straight throught that) they have an extraordinary low rate of crime. These places were peaceful places until they became overrun with people from foreign cultures. Why is it such a bad thing for white people to want to keep their people and culture as it is?

    • ” you must conceed to the fact that immigration is a failure in those countries!!!! Nobody wants it!!! s”

      Source-evidence at all.

      “You do not know what you are talking about if you think everything over there is fine. It was before multiculturalism. ”

      Yes, it was a wonderful time, when raping your wife was legal (Only made illegal in England in 1970). Where Jews were treated as a second class species, and forcibly removed from several European countries. Where criminals could control the British police force (The krays particularly). Where homosexuals could be blackmailed until they killed themselves, because they could never go to the police.

      Again, what the white supremacists out there would do to manufacture the belief that there was once a time of great social harmony, etc is a) ignore all groups that they don’t belong to, and b) place their current belief in what “white” means to the situation of long ago.
      The problem with the second belief is it doesn’t work. When England was mainly one skin colour, they didn’t live in perfect harmony-the Brits though the Welsh were all thieves and idiots, and the Irish thought the Brits were rapists and religious theocrats. And that’s just within the UK-ignoring beliefs that still exist about Poles, Italians, Greeks, etc.
      In Australia, it was the same-English are australians, but Greeks, Italians, Irish, Jews, eastern europeans, etc can’t be. They’re not “white” white, they’re just “white”

      There was never a time that Australia wasn’t multicultural. There was never a time that all “white” people were unified by a common race. It is a total furphy.

      “Some of these western countries had extremely low crime rates. Extremely low Quickly find a figure for us mate…. ”

      I’m not here to find you evidence to support your own arguments. If you have something you believe is backed up with facts-then back it up with facts!

      “Look at places where they haven’t messed with multiculturalism like iceland,”

      Iceland is bankrupt. Has been for years. Is this your best example of a flourishing country?

      “Why is it such a bad thing for white people to want to keep their people and culture as it is?”

      Nothing at all. But firstly, why do you want to do it in a country called Australia which has always been multicultural? And secondly, nothing is stopping you from having a white wife, white children, and raising them the way you want. No one is forcing you to do anything different.

      However, as a white man, I don’t want to only have white people in my country. My wife isn’t white, and I don’t want to change her for someone else.
      Don’t pretend you speak for all white people unless you have evidence that you do. Why is it wrong for me to marry who I choose and raise children the way I want?

    • Once more into the breach, once more.

      Lets use murder rate as the benchmark, Iceland, 0.3 per 100 000, a nice low number and yes, there are a very homogeneous bunch, but, lets look at the nations that have a lower/same murder rate. Singapore, also 0.3 yet 23% are not from Singapore, and over 25% are not the main cultural group.

      As for Australia, lets go all the way back to 1915, about as close to your pure white Australia as ever existed, where our murder rate was 1.8. Lets compare that to our current, 1. So, back in the ‘grand old days’ of the White Australia Policy, you were more likely to get murdered than today.
      http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4524A092E30E4486CA2569DE00256331

      So, what does this all mean? This just means that your arguments are garbage and you are not welcome at the table with the other adults.

  19. .Ps a concise response.. if it is not taken down..

    you talk about partner rape laws in England only coming around in 1970 I ask you this …..Do you think other cultures and countries are safer for females than England? You can not possibly answer yes to this question we all know the worst places in the world for crimes against women.

    Do I need to elaborate? Crimes against women have risen since multiculturalism in Western Europe that is fact, pure statistics. Everyone knows this, you hear about it all the time, the media actually tries to cover it up it’s never assulted by an immigrant from ##### it’s alway just “a man” or a #### citizen. It’s only when you look into it or see a picture you find out yet agian it was an immigrant. This is just wrong. The statistics do not paint a pretty picture.

    So where do you think the most violent places on Earth are? Places like scotland, maybe Finland, iceland. Give up, your arguements are nothing more than your own tangent and beliefs, Do you think anyone who was born before the eighties would agree with you when you paint a picture of Australia always being this multicultural party land you so believe?

    Many people have seen first hand the not so often talked about side to multiculturalism. Don’t try and tell people this doesn’t exist! You obviously live in some remote part of the country if your clinging to these beliefs. You can say what you like and try as hard as you like to prove your beliefs, people just say come on mate open your eyes.

    • Do you think other cultures and countries are safer for females than England?

      As long as there are violent and predatory men around no country is safe.

      Perhaps the best outcome would be if women were to start maiming and killing their assailants. It will only take a few for the message to get around.

      it’s alway just “a man”

      That’s right.

      when you paint a picture of Australia always being this multicultural party land

      It is a far more interesting country than it was before WWII thanks to its stream of immigrants.

      You obviously live in some remote part of the country

      Most of the 20 or so people who manage this blog live in metropolitan areas. Multi-ethnic populations of hard-working families, great restaurants and interesting cultures. And no racists.

    • “Crimes against women have risen since multiculturalism in Western Europe that is fact, pure statistics.”

      And these are statistics you can actually provide, right? It’s not just you asking your mates at the pbu what they think?
      Also, could you prove that the rate of crimes against women are increasing at a rate larger than the rate the population increases? After all, there are more of all crimes in all growing countries than there have been ten years ago, but in many cases the rate of these crimes occurring are decreasing.

      “Everyone knows this, you hear about it all the time, the media actually tries to cover it up”

      Yet no one has any evidence of this. Funny that. Or is your evidence “Everyone knows it-so I don’t need to prove it”-if so, I have some invisible clothes you may wish to buy-only smart people can see the clothes though.

      “The statistics do not paint a pretty picture. ”

      Mention statistics three times. Actually provides them no times.

      “So where do you think the most violent places on Earth are?”

      Countries currently involved in war. Currently it’s places that have no formal government, or are engaged in civil war. Previously that has been the same in Northern Ireland, though thankfulyl things have settled down now.

      Now, I await your counter argument that, in fact, migrants from certain countries (namely the non-white ones) are all naturlaly violent, and if that is your argument, I await the evidence you have to support this genetic theory.

      “Give up, your arguements are nothing more than your own tangent and beliefs,”

      Where as your arguments are based on invisible statistics only you can see, right?

      ” Do you think anyone who was born before the eighties would agree with you when you paint a picture of Australia always being this multicultural party land you so believe? ”

      It’s the truth. Australia has always been multicutlrual. Fraser just made the truth evident. If you are honestly telling me that Australia was at some point monocultural, please tell me since when did the English migrants, the Jewish migrants, the irish migrants and the native born Aborigines have the same culture? I can see 4 cultures there-and that’s just at first count (In reality after the first fleet we had plenty of Germans and French as well-and have always had welsh and scots).

      Are you honestly telling me that English culture is the same as Aboriginal culture? If not-then we have always been multicultural.

      “Many people have seen first hand the not so often talked about side to multiculturalism.”

      And I’m absolutley sure that you are not one of them. So how exactly has multiculturalism harmed you in anyway? And how exactly have other people been hurt by multiculturalism? Make sure the problems you describe would absolutely not exist if we were only white people (Though that begs the eternal question-what would you do with the Aborigines?

      “You obviously live in some remote part of the country if your clinging to these beliefs.”

      Yeah, Melbourne is a bit back of beyond.

      ” You can say what you like and try as hard as you like to prove your beliefs, people just say come on mate open your eyes.”

      And awaiting evidence that you actually have a majority of people supporting you.
      And I think it’s funny the far right always tells people to “Open their eyes”-it’s like their response to having no evidence. I ask “How do you know that Jews rule the world” they say “Open your eyes” I ask for evidence of multicutluralism being a fialure, they say “Open your eyes”

      Well, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If “Open your eyes” is an acceptable argument, then you will have no problem with the evidence of an allegation of you, Gumby, cooking and eating a baby being “Open you eyes-the evidence is right in front of you” That’s okay, right?

      Question you ignored:
      So, how exactly has multicutlrualism been a failure in Australia? Be specific.

    • Gumby, I was born in the early 70s. Looking at my grade prep class photo I can see lots of people who were born in different countries such as Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Mauritius, Italy, Croatia etc. Do I count as anyone?

  20. Well thats a lie because I wrote that comment, I’m no troll , and thats not even my Ip address. I don’t feel it necessary to put in my name, but if you want to email me your welcome. I have no problems with providing some information on crime statistics.

  21. There you go agian, you have just taken down the statistics I provided. My example of sexual assults reported to police in Sweden, a migrant is five times more likely to stand accused. Yet these people are a minority of the population. They are disproportionately involved in violent crime. An internet search will provide all the references to the collection of these statistics since you like to make out my links are made up. All countries in western Europe and the Uk observe these trends, These stats don’t even include second generation migrants, talk to some locals in England.

    • Read what Cara wrote. Stuff published on right wing hate sites and then cut and pasted by your lot is not peer reviewed research.

      Talking to the locals in England might be fun as long as they are not EDL but THAT IS NOT RESEARCH.

  22. What is not true about these sexual assult statistics? A lot also go unreported. Why not be transparent about this? It is one of the reasons people are not in favour of multiculturalism, why choose not to acknowledge it?

    • Evidence that the “people” are not in favour of multiculturalism?

      And line from the article you ignored:
      “The study underlined that the majority of crimes in Sweden were committed by ethnic Swedes.”

      Wow-guess we should stop allowing Swedish people in, right?

  23. I’ve noticed no one on here has mentioned South Africa, there is some shocking crime statistics there, nothing to do with religion.

    • If we follow my opponents way of figuring stuff out, South Africa is a wonderful country. When I went there the place that I stayed in was full of well of people, with little to no crime, excellent infrastructure ect ect. Now, I know from knowledge not gained first hand that south Africa is not a safe place, but they like to keep saying “Well, I’ve seen it”. From what I’ve seen South Africa is lovely, so lets ignore all the actual facts about it.

  24. The most peaceful countries in the world by GPI global peace index in 2012, as well as the countries rated the happiest are mostly European countries particularly scandinavian countries, Canada, New zealand and Australia, Japan scoring highly also.

    There is no reason to doubt the validity of these measures. It is no accident that these countries come top. Within Europe sure enough,there is a strong correlation between the number of “non native” people in the country and it’s rank. Iceland ranks number one, England which has previously scored highly is on the decline. Englands population is becoming unstable and (although some people on this site may dispute this), concern has been raised over the number of migrants in the country. A recent poll (which some people may choose to dispute) showed an overwhelming majority were not happy with the number of migrants in the country.

    Australia can only learn from these other countries mistakes. I pose the question: what is it that makes a country perform well on all these measures? is it the climate, the precipitation, the environment? And surely we all want to live in a peaceful country. You have to keep in mind Iceland is an island in the ocean with a volcano on it. Maybe it is the people and their culture.

    In keeping with the theme of the site, If a number of citizens post some dumbarse comments on their facebook, should we call them bogans or whatever and make these comments even more available and exposed with more potential to offend? Or should we realise that their dumbarse comments whilst showing a lack of judgement in some cases may reflect growing community concern over loosing what we as Australian citizens have.

    • The most peaceful countries in the world by GPI global peace index in 2012, as well as the countries rated the happiest are mostly European countries

      Yep Jared Diamond would point out that they had the right guns and the right germs. Not to mention the steel.

      England which has previously scored highly is on the decline.

      Go back to Thatcherism for the roots of that. Whenever the working class is marginalised and disadvantaged by their self-apponted “masters” they are encourage to vent their spleen on any newcomers. Back in Thatcher’s time the targets were the Afro-Caribbean immigrants. Now it’s Muslims.

      After all if you can con the impressionable via scum groups like the EDL they are not going to be challenging the privileged.

      The same thing is happening in the US, a settler society.

      If a number of citizens post some dumbarse comments on their facebook, should we call them bogans or whatever and make these comments even more available and exposed with more potential to offend?

      Yes. Time to name and shame them. Why should they have a platform when their victims do not?

    • “The most peaceful countries in the world by GPI global peace index in 2012, as well as the countries rated the happiest are mostly European countries particularly scandinavian countries, Canada, New zealand and Australia, Japan scoring highly also.”

      But wait a second-Canada, highly multicultural, New Zealand highly multicultural and Australia highly multicultural.

      “Within Europe sure enough,there is a strong correlation between the number of “non native” people in the country and it’s rank.”

      So the measures say countries are happier when they have fewer migrants, if you ignore the countries that are multicultural? But you can’t-you’re demonstrating a theory by stating that you should ignore anything that disputes your theory.

      Wait-that’s what you guys do all the time, isn’t it?

      “A recent poll (which some people may choose to dispute) showed an overwhelming majority were not happy with the number of migrants in the country. ”

      Well, let’s ignroe the fact that you have no evidence of this poll, and it could just be you asking a British person online what they think, but let’s respond to this:
      England is going through a recession. When a country goes through a recession, it targets the new migrants, blames them for everything. Germans blamed the Jews for the Depression, just as in Australia the Irish were blamed-the majority group blames the not-we when they have no money. More recently, there was an increased involvement of neo-nazi groups targetting asian businesses during the late 80’s recession in Australia. And in Greece, currently, a Nazi themed party is getting a lot of support-while their country is bankrupt.

      Now, let’s just present challenging theories here. Either you have my theory, that is when a country breaks down financially they are going to target someone and it’s easier to target those who stand out, and blame them for their woes.
      And there’s your theory that states that countries are better off when they form one culture (if you ignore the countries that don’t do this and do pretty well), so really, Germany in the Depression was just trying to improve the country by blaming the Jews for everything. Am I far off?

      “I pose the question: what is it that makes a country perform well on all these measures? is it the climate, the precipitation, the environment? ”

      I’d go government and social support structure (All the countries you listed have a strong health system and welfare system). This is a thread that unites the countries you listed far more than climate, precipitation, environment, or whether or not they are multicultural.

      “You have to keep in mind Iceland is an island in the ocean with a volcano on it. ”

      A bankrupt island with a volcano on it, thank you very much.

      “If a number of citizens post some dumbarse comments on their facebook, should we call them bogans or whatever and make these comments even more available and exposed with more potential to offend?”

      Wait, you’re rushing to protect migrants now? After stating that you think they’re making our country worse off (If oyu ignore any statistic about Australia), you’re worried they’re going to be offended by having hurtful comment republished?
      Migrants know comments like these exist. Seeing them online doesn’t fill someone with surprise-it just gives them the knowledge that the comments are not tolerated or permitted by the country. It gives them strength, wheras your plan would continue the racism unabated.

      ” Or should we realise that their dumbarse comments whilst showing a lack of judgement in some cases may reflect growing community concern over loosing what we as Australian citizens have.”

      And what exactly are we, as Australian citizens, losing? Please, be specific.

    • Also, I dispute the use of the GPI as an appropriate measurement. It is largely concerned with large scale governmental and international relations.

      Looking at the criteria, 1-5 deal with internal and external wars and intergovernmental relations, nothing to do with changes that immigrates would cause (unless you are going to claim that the immigrates are join to launch a civil war), 8 and 9 are to do with totalitarian governments, not immigrates, 15-23 are about how strong the army is, our defence industry , contribution to UN peacekeeping ect. The only factors that could have anything to do with immigrants causing social unrest is 6,8,10(arguably),11,12,13,14.

      This means that internal social unrest (not including civil war) only account for 30% of this score, with the remaining 70% being in 3 parts, regional security, totalitarian government’s and size of military.

      Lets break down Iceland. They have no military, so that 34% that is basically 0, kinda disrupts the scale. Western Europe is no hotbed for civil and international wars, so that’s 21% basically removed from the equation, all with nothing to do with the demographics on the country. So that is over 50% that’s more or less 0, with no relation to immigrants. This means that these values do not provide useful data in relation to this.

    • The GPI is not really appropriate in relation to immigrants. 30% is to do with how large your military is (Iceland does not have one), 20% has to do with regional security (the nations of Europe are not invading each other), another 20% has to do with totalitarian governments and only 30% deals with internal “civil” unrest. This means that the GPI is not a good measure for these issues.

  25. Just to clarify some things: Iceland’s current financial position is that it is ranked 27th on the index of economic freedom as of 2012. The “financial crisis” saw it drop a few spots, however it has recovered well. You have to remember that (and I had to look this up for exact ranks) in 2007 the country was ranked seventh most productive country in the world per capita and fifth most productive by GDP purchasing power parity. Not doing badly at all considering it’s lack of natural resources and geopraphic position, which was my original point.

    To point out your comparison of murder rates in Australia from 1915 to today a rediculous comparison at that, 1.8 compared to 1 by your accounts a .8 percent reduction over 100 years in murder rate. From a time when people still got around in horse and cart and regularly died in child birth, none of the latest police equipment. To be objective about this you might want to consider how other countries faired way back then.

    Tell us about your holiday to South Africa “it does happen” if, it is true, then that should be no problem.No need for figures, try talking off the top of your head. Where did you stay? what did you do? What your saying is the crime statistics from there should be ignored because you claim you had a holiday there and “it was lovely”? As with any dangerous place there are tales of surviving, then others who have lived there for years and moved because of the violence. You are aware of the security measures people are required to take. You did leave your motel room?

    The Anit Bogans don’t represent migrants, not gay people, not the aboriginies and not white collar workers. They represent a bunch of people probably still living at home with mum and dad who have a limited amount of life experience. When you guys finish uni, get a job and leave home and gain some all important LIFE EXPERIENCE then you can make claims about “sitting at the table with the adults”. If it’s ok for you guys then it’s ok for me: how old do you claim to be JM, Mindmadeup and It Does Happen?
    Until then enjoy moments such as dad letting you sit in the front seat, and having a sip of his beer.

    If someone wants to have a southern cross tattoo, have a 1980’s hair style, or have an opinion on illegal boat arrivals or migration, on their facebook intended for their friends not this website then it’s a sad thing that you are reproducing this and taking it out of the original context.

    • Just to clarify some things: Iceland’s current financial position is that it is ranked 27th on the index of economic freedom as of 2012…

      I believe It Does Happen is a political economist thus better placed to shoot you down in flames.

      The Anit (sic) Bogans don’t represent migrants, not gay people, not the aboriginies (sic) and not white collar workers.

      Oh you would be surprised who we are. We are certainly a more normal representation of the Australian people than are sad little haters such as you and your friends.

      They represent a bunch of people probably still living at home with mum and dad who have a limited amount of life experience

      Pardon? Actually I went to ask my parents if I was still living with them but then I remembered they’d been dead for some years.

      When you guys finish uni, get a job and leave home and gain some all important LIFE EXPERIENCE then you can make claims about “sitting at the table with the adults”.

      Dunno I think some kids, a couple of bits of trade paper, some investments and a job is pretty good “life experience”. I don’t speak for JM or It Does Happen of course, they are more than capable of speaking for themselves. But they have much the same story.

      Sad little man you are.

      If someone wants to have a southern cross tattoo, have a 1980′s hair style, or have an opinion on illegal boat arrivals or migration, on their facebook intended for their friends…

      Keep your racism and bigotry to yourselves, not on publicly visible social media. The rest of the country is not interested and is sick to death of your kind.

    • “When you guys finish uni, get a job and leave home and gain some all important LIFE EXPERIENCE then you can make claims about “sitting at the table with the adults”. If it’s ok for you guys then it’s ok for me: how old do you claim to be JM, Mindmadeup and It Does Happen?”

      I’m 26, married, and have left home 8 years ago. I currently have two jobs. How about you?

      And let’s use Paul’s logic back at him:

      “If someone wants to have a southern cross tattoo, have a 1980′s hair style, or have an opinion on illegal boat arrivals or migration, on their facebook intended for their friends not this website then it’s a sad thing that you are reproducing this and taking it out of the original context.”

      Well, if a person is not allowed to have ANY opinion if they are a) living at home, b) sutdying, or c) unemployed, then surely they wouldn’t be allowed to have opinion on migration unless they have first hand experience of boat arrivals, right?

      OR do you, Paul, live in a fantasy world where if you live at home, you’re not allowed to have an opinion on anything, but if someone agrees with you, even if they have no “life experience” related to the topic, they’re opinion is not to be challenged in any way?

    • “I believe It Does Happen is a political economist thus better placed to shoot you down in flames.”

      Nope, but I work as a civil engineer in a multinational, specifically in the developing worlds division, so I deal with this stuff a bit, but mostly at the other end of the scale.

      The stuff that is not Iceland:

      I am turning 27 in a few months, left home at 19, worked as a labour to put myself through uni and then have worked as an engineering after I graduated. I get to travel with my job and on my personal time, lot in developing nations as that is where my division in focused.

      I was working at a farm about 2.5 hours out of Johannesburg. We were designing and building basically a brand new farm/factory onsite and living on site too, so as I was there on the job, I was not touring around the country, I was working with locals to build things. I was making this point to outline the ridiculousness of the claims that were made earlier on, on this page about how “I have personally been to PLACE A, and I have seen it, so you can’t talk about it with figures that do not fit with the limited personal experience that I had.” I am fully aware that South Africa is currently in a bad place, see in my original message.

      “Now, I know from knowledge not gained first hand that south Africa is not a safe place, but they like to keep saying “Well, I’ve seen it”. From what I’ve seen South Africa is lovely, so lets ignore all the actual facts about it.”

      Well then let’s have a specific date of when “places like Adelaide didn’t even need police etc they were considered good folk, and they were”. There has never been a date provided so I went as far back as was still in the ‘modern world’ i.e. turn of the century. Provide a date of when Australia was ‘better’ so actual discussion can happen on it.

      As for the Southern Cross tattoo, I have one on my right shoulder blade. I love Australia, I think that the Australian spirit is one of the best things in the world. However, I disagree that this spirit is somehow reserved for white Australians. The Australian spirit is at it’s rout, “giving them/it a fair bloody go”. Where is this limited to white people? Shit, by definition it supports immigration. I know lot’s of Asians, Arabs, Aboriginals and Africans that have far more Aussy spirit than a ton of Anglo-Australians. I know immigrates that are more Australian that people that can trace there linage back to the early 1800’s. Shit, if you want to see Aussy culture, go watch the movie Kenny. Being Australian is not about being born here, or being white, it is about mate ship, regardless of if they are your closes mate, or just someone on the street. It’s about accepting people, regardless of if they are gay, straight, white, black or all the colours of the rainbow. It’s about doing 100%, then giving an extra 10%.

      If you are seriously claiming that you support the Australian culture, I’ll back you with that. However, if you are using that excuse to mask your own racism and personal bullshit, I can only say to you, fuck you, how dare you use our culture, the one that my grandparents went to war for, the one that my father lived with every day of his life, the one that I live my life by, the one that millions of good people of all races, regions and creeds bled and suffered for. How about you fuck off to Iceland, and see if they will deal with you, cause I sure as hell don’t want you in Australia.

      The stuff that is Iceland:

      The Index of Economic Freedom has nothing to do with the wealth of a nation, just how much they buy into laissez faire capitalism, as Chile is 7th, Estonia is 16th ect ect. This has nothing relevant to how ‘strong’ the economy is. But, even if you stick to your claim that somehow the IEF is related, out of the top 6 nations, 5 are highly multicultural, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Switzerland. So even in the category that you wrongfully applied to the debate, your claim is rendered incorrect.

      Now you are getting to something though with your GDP ppp per capita, this is on of the best measurements of individual ‘wealth’ of residents of different nations.

      Now, lets consider where Iceland is today, they sit at 20 according to the world bank, behind multicultural nations as Singapore, Norway, USA, Switzerland, Australia, Canada, Germany and Sweden.

      Iceland also has some natural resources in abundance, primarily fish. It is the second largest producer of fish, which makes up 40% of it’s exports, in the North East Atlantic, which includes a lot of the historically big European fishing nations.

      Iceland’s previous ‘economic miracle’ was, in the opinion of many economist include those of the company that I work at (i.e we wouldn’t enter into long term contracts with them), was built on rotten ground. In 2007, public debt was at 800% of GDP. I’m not going to go into the nitty gritty, this report by the Economist covers most of them in some detail http://www.economist.com/node/12762027?story_id=12762027

      This leads to the truth that Iceland’s previous spot up at the top of the charts was not built on a sustainable base, but was inevitably bound to collapse, as all economies that are at based what is unsustainable debts.

    • Oh no she didn’t-*finger snap*

      Sorry-was that directed at me? Or are you an out of work sitcom writer? From “Bleep my Dad says” to random postings on message board-such is the sad state of television writing today.

      Anyway, my work currently involves assisting people who care for the elderly to continue caring, by organising breaks, and supports for them. My other job involves assisting asylum seekers to live and survive in the Australia community. I look forward to hear how you’re adding things to the Australian community.

  26. I don’t really understand the sticker joke, why does it matter where the car got built?

    I think that If there is many migrants in a country it makes it harder to experience the culture properly. If there are lots of non Greek people in Greece other places getting lots of migrant then what is the point going, if everywhere is just a mix of people I don’t think that would be always good.

    • We’ve had Vietnamese migration since the 70’s, Greek and Italian since the 40’s, and English and Irish migration since the 18th century.

      Having travelled to each of these countries I can say that despite Australia’s extensive migration hertiage from these countries, there is certainly a lot to experience in these countries. Emma-are you tleling me that there’s no point going to England because Australia has had English people arriving in the thousands for over 200 years, so you’d never get anything out of this?

      Also, other problem is that once a new culture is introduced to Australia, it changes. Vietnamese Australians do not have the same culture as Vietnamese Vietnamese, just as British Asians are not the same as indian Asians.

  27. Thats what you think. I don’t want to go somewhere to see mix of people not from the place. I asking about sticker because why does it matter where the car is made?

    • I don’t want to go somewhere to see mix of people not from the place

      Well you would obviously have problems in Australia then. The only people here “from the place” as you put it are Indigenous Australians. The rest are from somewhere else, or their ancestors are.

      Best you stay in a room and look in the mirror all day. You may then feel comfortable.

    • Then don’t go to places where there are mixes of people. Seems to me that you have two choices:

      1) Forcibly remove everyone who even slightly resembles a person from another culture, so that you don’t have to ever experience a mix of people.

      Or

      2) You don’t go to places where there are mixes of people.

      Seems like the second is much much easier to achieve. But let me know if there’s any other issues that you’d like the entire world to change so youwon’t be inconvenienced.

    • I think you didn’t actually say what you meant to stay. Anyway, at the risk of becoming a true solo jacker (And, to be fair, I do love me some lime solo), let’s go again.

      You said “I don’t want to go somewhere to see mix of people not from the place. ”

      I responded:
      Then don’t go to places where there are mixes of people. Seems to me that you have two choices:

      1) Forcibly remove everyone who even slightly resembles a person from another culture, so that you don’t have to ever experience a mix of people.

      Or

      2) You don’t go to places where there are mixes of people.

      Seems like the second is much much easier to achieve. But let me know if there’s any other issues that you’d like the entire world to change so youwon’t be inconvenienced.

      Now if you excuse me, I’m off to jack some solo!

  28. The ‘diluting’ of any culture is not always a good thing. How exciting is it to go somewhere and the culture and traditions are all different, and you get to experience that for a short time. There should be respect for western people maintaining their identity it’s no different. To allow the geographically small area of their home lands to become big mixing pots is basically a dilution and displacement of culture and race. Multiculturalism has had a big impact in western Europe. The crazy thing is, it’s all because some people allowed it to happen. Just a total stuff up, for all. Not solving anything and just creating more problems. Control of populations and other measures are what is needed not this mass migration to western countries from the rest of the world.

    You talk a few posts up about British Asians not Being the same as Indian Asians. The point might need to be made that if you want to experience Asian Culture you don’t go to England…You holiday in Asia. The same as if you want to Experience Western culture you don’t go to Asia.. you holiday in Western Europe. “multicultural” western Europe. Thats just an example. That one will get JM all hot under the collar the big holiday expert. Tell us all a story JM.

    • There should be respect for western people maintaining their identity it’s no different.

      “Western people” are not a single entity and never were – right back to prehistoric times.

      You are a racist.

    • “There should be respect for western people maintaining their identity it’s no different”

      How exactly is your “identity” being challenged? Be specific, phillip, tell me how you’re forced to not be a western, white person, how you’re forced not to have a white western family, because I, as a white western male, haven’t been challenged in the slightest.

      Unless your definition of being “challenged” is “I have to talk to people who aren’t white-that’s infringing on my rights!”

      “To allow the geographically small area of their home lands to become big mixing pots is basically a dilution and displacement of culture and race. ”

      Again, how EXACTLY is your culture and race beign displaced by having antoher culture around? How exactly are you losing your culture by having another around, because as a whtie christian male no one and nobody is impacting on the expression of my chrisitan beliefs, or Australian culture?

      “The point might need to be made that if you want to experience Asian Culture you don’t go to England…You holiday in Asia”

      Totally not true! As a person who’s lived in England for a while the English Asian scene is a big attraction for me. True, if I want to go to India, I’d go to India, but that’s not the same as the British Indian scene.

      Now excuse me Phillip, but I’m going to blow your mind now. I live in Melbourne. Did youk now that there are tour groups who meet up each weekend, and takes tourists through the markets of Footscray and richmond. Why-not to examine the great Australian cusine-but to try how Vietnamese food uses Asutralian ingredients, and how it is made in an Australain cotnext.

      Now according to you, that is literally impossible. Surely if people wanted to examine Vietnamese cuisine and culture they’d go to Vietnam-yet every weekend these tours are happening, people coming to Melbourne to experience the fusion Australian-Vietnamese culture.

      This is the area that is msot of importance to me, but I could name many more. New York’s Chinatown is similarly a tourist attraction, much more so than Melbourne’s, as is Singapoe’s China town and Little India.

      But according to you, all these big attractions for tourists simply cannot exist, and there must be a mistake somewhere.

      While we’re at it, guess what Phillip-if you go over to another country you don’t experience the culture-you get to be a tourist in a different climate. Tell me of all your holidays, phillip, tell me all the people you got to meet? How many locals who weren’t actually in soem way paid for by yourself? How many actual native residents did you actually sit down and talk to who weren’t tour guides? How many culture celebrations were you involved in, rather than just witnessing what is shown for tourist? How many times did you eat at restaurants that weren’t only sellign food to Westerners?

      Compare to Australia where, by being multicultural, you actually get a chance to experience antoher culture, warts and all, rather than jsut a cleaned up version for tourists. By knowing the people of different cultures as friends, work colleagues, and neighbours you experience the culture a lot more than you ever can when you meet people as waiters, tour guides, and hotel staff. To give a personal example, I experienced more of Vietnamese cultue by attending a local buddhist temple for new year’s, with traditional Vietnamese celebrations made by the vietnamese community, than I did travelling through Vietnamese with mostly western tour groups.

      But I’d love to hear your experience. As apparently you’re the expert in experiencing other cultures, and know exactly why people travel overseas (As long as you ignore at the very least New York’s Chinatown district).

      As I said to Emma, I know say to you:
      If you don’t want to go to palces where there are mixed groups of people, then don’t go to places where there are mixes of people. Seems to me that you have two choices:

      1) Forcibly remove everyone who even slightly resembles a person from another culture, so that you don’t have to ever experience a mix of people.

      Or

      2) You don’t go to places where there are mixes of people.

      Seems like the second is much much easier to achieve. But let me know if there’s any other issues that you’d like the entire world to change so youwon’t be inconvenienced.

  29. So Westerners don’t count. There goes christmas. If you think that people from Western Europe are not unique from other racial groups or populations from different areas, you are most definately misinformed. you demonstrate no respect for the people from these areas. If you can’t tell a typical person from western Europe from other parts of the world you have problems. We may have all come from Africa a time ago and groups also mix, but we are certainly not all the same. There is nothing at all racist with saying this. It is not insulting, degrading, bringing down anyone. It is actually racist to deny white people an identity, the same as it would be any race or group of people.

    It is always amusing that people can get away with saying how bout those westerners blah blah blah and most westerners would probably just ignore this and avoid confrontation. But you insert any non western Race, population group etc and bingo you have racism.

    It seems that only westerners have to demonstrate this restraint. Ask for brown bread and you might offend someone. To point out to you why westerners identify together, and believe our culture has a right to exist. If you have not noticed people of northern and western Europe have physical features which are different from other parts of the world, Just like any other race or population group. There is no difference. When it comes to dissatisfaction over multiculturalism, It’s not about one example of a happy family and one person is from place x thats terrific. Most agree. You can marry who ever you like. Australians are tolerant like that. In other countries they might not be as tolerant. You should think about that too. Whats important, and this site totally occludes from an impressionable lay person is the larger scale of what is happening and the interests of people, some of which might not like playing spot the whitey, might not think multiculturalism on a grand scale is such a great idea. I’m not interested in what your saying to someone else on this site, you have your views, you should realise that not everyone is so happy to see western countries become multicultural. On a small scale most people are fine, but on a large scale you can’t possibly say everyone agrees.

    • So Westerners don’t count.

      Actually they do thanks to Indian and Arabian mathematicians, who invented our number system and the concept of zero.

      There goes christmas.

      Which one, the Catholic one or the Orthodox one? They are different. Are you sure Jesus was born in December or January if in fact he existed? Are you sure the Christianised Romans didn’t nab a pagan Yulefest or Winter Solstice to attract the heathen punters?

      If you think that people from Western Europe are not unique from other racial groups or populations from different areas, you are most definately misinformed.

      1. There is one race. The human race. Please make an effort to keep up with scientific advances. Even white supremacists should learn how to read.

      2. Europeans themselves are the products of thousands of years of immigration, conquest and absorption.

      3. Cultures evolve and change or wither and disappear.

      …people of northern and western Europe have physical features which are different from other parts of the world

      What, they have multiple limbs and more than one head??

      Utter rubbish.

    • “If you think that people from Western Europe are not unique from other racial groups or populations from different areas, you are most definately misinformed. you demonstrate no respect for the people from these areas.”

      No-I would say there’s more varitation genetically within the group of Western Europe than there is outside of the group.

      I think it’s hilarious that the far right, and I’m including you here phillip, are trying to rewrite history to create a mythical united group of people they call Western Europe. The idea of a “united” white people is a very recent invention.
      Let’s look back through history-even 100 years ago, English descendants in Australia and England did not consider other “Western” migrants to be of the same group, and hated them, particularly the Irish, but also Greeks, Italians-they were not the same type of people as they were. Going back further the English felt the same about the Welsh, the Scots, and even the French and Germans-there was no recognition of a unified “western people” anywhere-only a link within a country (And even then, Catholics, Jews, Scots and Welsh were not considered as part of the group).

      And even today, it’s ridiculous to say that we have some sort of skin colour unification stronger thatn nationalism. Are you telling me, phillip, that I have a stronger association with a Russian beggar I’ve never met and who will never meet me, than I do my own wife from Vietnam, or my friends from Japan that I have known for over a decade?

      :”If you can’t tell a typical person from western Europe from other parts of the world you have problems. ”

      So you can accurately distinguish a southern Greek or Italian person from an Argentinian in all cases? What about a Pole from a Swede?

      “It is actually racist to deny white people an identity, the same as it would be any race or group of people. ”

      Except it’s not racist to deny an identity that does not exist. There is no single “Asian” identity (China, Vietnam, Japan and Korea certainly do not think of themselves as united). There is no signle “African” identity, much less a single “black” identity. So what evidence is there that there is a single, unified “white” identity?

      There are national identities-an Australian identity, a Russian identity, a French identity, but to say that these are all unified into a perfect unified “white” identity ignores the fact that this have never happened, ever. If anything conflict has been more common within what you would define as a unified identity than there has been between different identities.

      “It is always amusing that people can get away with saying how bout those westerners blah blah blah”

      It’s hilarious that you use “westerners” as a catch all for “white person” so you think you can get away with being a white supremacist. But here’s the thing, no one in the history of the world has complained about “westerners” unless they are describing their own country and culture!

      “Ask for brown bread and you might offend someone. ”

      No you won’t. Give me an example of this actually happening. IF not, you’re an idiot.

      “To point out to you why westerners identify together, and believe our culture has a right to exist.”

      There is no white culture! There are many cultures in predominantly white countries, but there is no single “white” culture that unites all “white nations”
      Please, demonstrate to us all how England, France, Germany, Ireland, Wales, and Spain all have some unified culture, and demonstrate how all these countries identify together,despiting killing each other for most of the last 1000 years.

      You want to defend English culture-great! You want to save French culture-wonderful! But why are you trying to defend a culture of “whitisim” which never has existed-just like, as I said, there has never been a unitied “Asian” culture, a united “African” culture, or a united “Hispanic” or “Arab” culture for that matter either!

      ” If you have not noticed people of northern and western Europe have physical features which are different from other parts of the world, ”

      Please-give examples of how there are certainly physical aspects which unite us. Then explain how you believe these physical features unite us, despite all us white people being at war with each other for most of the last 1000 years.

      “When it comes to dissatisfaction over multiculturalism”

      Which you haven’t manage to prove apart from yourself, so just say “When it comes to me being dissatisfied with multiculturalism”

      “On a small scale most people are fine, but on a large scale you can’t possibly say everyone agrees.”

      So, we should be accepting all other viewpoints as long as there’s not 100% agreement? Phillip, I can say with absolute certainty than less than 100% of Australians want to slap you upside your head. Are you going to rush to defend the small percentage of people who wish to slap you, examine their reasons for wanting to slap you? Or are you going to telling them “Hey-don’t slap me!”.

      I await your ignoring of answers.

    • And here you are Phillip-the things you completely ignored:
      1. How exactly is your “identity” being challenged? Be specific, phillip, tell me how you’re forced to not be a western, white person, how you’re forced not to have a white western family, because I, as a white western male, haven’t been challenged in the slightest.

      2. Again, how EXACTLY is your culture and race beign displaced by having antoher culture around? How exactly are you losing your culture by having another around, because as a whtie christian male no one and nobody is impacting on the expression of my chrisitan beliefs, or Australian culture?

      3. While we’re at it, guess what Phillip-if you go over to another country you don’t experience the culture-you get to be a tourist in a different climate. Tell me of all your holidays, phillip, tell me all the people you got to meet? How many locals who weren’t actually in soem way paid for by yourself? How many actual native residents did you actually sit down and talk to who weren’t tour guides? How many culture celebrations were you involved in, rather than just witnessing what is shown for tourist? How many times did you eat at restaurants that weren’t only sellign food to Westerners?

      4- If you don’t want to go to palces where there are mixed groups of people, then don’t go to places where there are mixes of people. Seems to me that you have two choices:

      1) Forcibly remove everyone who even slightly resembles a person from another culture, so that you don’t have to ever experience a mix of people.

      Or

      2) You don’t go to places where there are mixes of people.

      Seems like the second is much much easier to achieve. But let me know if there’s any other issues that you’d like the entire world to change so youwon’t be inconvenienced.

  30. A correction for a comment above “No-I would say there’s more varitation genetically within the group of Western Europe than there is outside of the group.”
    Genetic distances are actually small within western Europe if you are talking about English, Dutch, Dane etc the larger genetic distances occur to the south and East of Europe. Within the uk there is some distances though not as large as distances in other regions of the world. essentially what you are saying is not correct. The most variation is actually found in Africa.

    • 85% of the genetic variation of human beings occur within inidividuals of the same population, with the remaining 15% occurring between populations. These estimates imply that people from two different populations are as likely to be similar to each other as each is likely to similar to those in their own group (Keita, SOY; Kittles, RA; Royal, CDM; Bonney, GM; Furbert-Harris, P; Dunston, GM; Rotimi, CM (2004). “Conceptualizing human variation”. Nature Genetics 36 & Templeton, AR (1998). “Human races: a genetic and evolutionary perspective”. Am Anthropol 100: 632–650.)

      Currently, some genetecists are even stating that this small variation between groups is meaningless, due supposed genetic differences overlapping between groups (Smedley, A; Smedley, BD (January 2005). “Race as biology is fiction, racism as a social problem is real: Anthropological and historical perspectives on the social construction of race”. Am Psychol 60 (1): 16–26. )

      • I’m very critical of your interpretation of these sources, and also the sources themselves, are controversial. The fact remains you need to match organ transplants and blood products by race for success. You can not give an African Bushman liver to a Western European, you have to have a match that is genetically similar and sorry to be racist, but that means being in the same racial group or mix. Real life doesn’t care for internet fluffies

        • I present sources, you present “I’m right-everyone knows I’m right, and I know I’m right, but I don’t want to prove it because I don’t need to”

          Present evidence, or go away. That’s your choice.

        • You are totally wrong regarding transplants. Organ donors are not matched by “race”. They are matched by tissue type, blood type and a whole host of factors unrelated to physical appearance, including general health.

          Sadly, from the medical point of view, the best cadavers for whole organ transplants are healthy children and young people who die suddenly in accidents. However it is still possible for donors whose general health is poor or who are elderly to contribute tissue such as cornea and skin.

          Explain also how if your bizarre “race theory” is true that gender makes no difference to the suitability of an organ donor. A male can donate organs to a female and vice versa.

          No one “race types” the most universal donation of the lot, which is blood.

  31. How exactly is the sky blue? Be specific… How do you know about those reflected light rays? Nah I don’t believe you the sky is not blue. You have no source evidence at all. But this is a comments section, one day the blue sky fell all over me I can talk about this, it happened to a lot of people Nah I don’t believe you. Here is a photograph nah still don’t believe you the photograph is wrong. Ask a bunch of people What would they know I actually went there and it was lovely. I know a bloke who has a friend and he is lovely. People have opinions that are vastly different from this site, and they are based on life experience a healthy appreciation of global events crime in other countries basically being older and more informed than the people on this site. Australia does not have to go down the same path as other countries. Whats the huge obligation for people of foreign cultures anyway? everyone comes in because we let them. Except for the ones in wooden boats.

    • So essentially you’re saying you don’t need to prove multiculturalism has failed, because the evidence is obvious to see, unless you’re stupid?

      How is that nay different than the tale of the Emperor’s New Clothes?

    • Incidentally, no one has provided photos, evidence, or even specific personal examples of the problems with multiculturalism, apart from saying “It’s bad because I don’t like brown people!”

      “People have opinions that are vastly different from this site, and they are based on life experience a healthy appreciation of global events crime in other countries basically being older and more informed than the people on this site. ”

      Wait, so when people agree with you, it’s because they’re basing their views on life experiences (Which they can’t describe), appreciation of overseas crime (Irrelevant to Australia), and by being generally well informed, yet being unable to name where that information came from. But when people disagree with you, that means they’re not OPENING THEIR EYES? Is that right?

      So, according to you, people don’t have differences of opinions, they either agree with you, or they’re wrong?

      “Australia does not have to go down the same path as other countries. ”

      What other countries are we following? Can’t we set our own future, which includes multiculturalism, rather than following a one-race idea that can never work (We have never been only one culture), and ignores the region we live in?
      Australia did try to have a one-culture idea, by blocking non-whites, limiting non-Anglo-saxons Christians, and hoping the Aborigines would all be killed off soon. The result? We came into significant conflict with a neighbouring trade partners (Hell-Japan went to war with us!). Is that what you want to go back to?

      “Whats the huge obligation for people of foreign cultures anyway? everyone comes in because we let them. Except for the ones in wooden boats.”

      Quick question-have you ever met a migrant? Did they tell you how “easy” it was to come to Australia? Because I’ve yet to find a migrant, no matter where they were from, who had an easy trip here. But I’m sure you experience is much more detail than mine. Go ahead and tell us all.

  32. Do not agree with the following
    “It’s hilarious that you use “westerners” as a catch all for “white person” so you think you can get away with being a white supremacist. But here’s the thing, no one in the history of the world has complained about “westerners” unless they are describing their own country and culture”
    Your responses have no substance, at all. Some groups are filled with hate for westerners I’ve heard all sorts of things said about “westerners” agian OPEN YOUR EYES.

    • “Your responses have no substance, at all. Some groups are filled with hate for westerners I’ve heard all sorts of things said about “westerners” agian OPEN YOUR EYES.”

      Really-where have you heard them? Name the examples-I’d love to see them.

      And again, the far right doesn’t have evidence, it just tells people to open their eyes-and then it’s obvious. And then they wonder why no one, absolutely no one, supports them.

  33. Jm the 26 year old working in Aged care and with Asylum seekers and has a vietnamese wife, now also an expert on gentetics well, your not!. Again what you have stated is incorrect, you can reference it all you like. You are not interpreting it correctly. You are not knowledgeable about this and you should realise that what you have stated is only true for certain population in geographic regions due to incoming genes. Europe in general has grown out from a smaller isolated population not recieving a lot of inflowing genes which explains the small genetic distances and the steep distances that begin to occur at the south and the east. Your out of your depth here. give up.

    • Cool, I’m happy to be challenged. But I’ll need some sources, Gavin, otherwise it’s just you making up stuff.

      I never pretended to be an expert in genetics, but I do check up what I say before I say it. Where is your evidence backing up your beliefs?

  34. Ever go into an exam that is closed book and you have to show you have an understanding and fundamental knowledge of the topic? JM wouldn’t know what to do. Can I cut and paste off the internet? No your on your own. Lets see what you know…. BZZZ bum boo zip ah a little help … thats not knowledge.

    • So, in other words: “I don’t need to find proof-I just know I’m rigt, and you should know it too”

      And you wonder why no one and no obdy is won over to the cause of the far right. If you have evidence to counter mine, go ahead, otherwise you are just recreating the emperor’s new clothes: “All the evidence is there-but only I can see it!”

      BTW-the further you go ionto study, the less exams you do-it’s because everyone knows exams are the simplest, not the most accurate, judge of understanding of a topic. That’s why, you may be usprirsed to hear, you don’t have to do an exam to get a PHD-funny that.

  35. What you have stated does not imply that at all. If that was the case you could give a liver transplant from a japanese to a sudanese. Anyone with any “real knowledge” of racial groupings knows this is not true. What you have misinterpreted is that in some parts of the world where groups genetically distinct have met there can be big genetic differences in the population. this is from mixing not from random variation in the original population.

  36. If genetic differences were meaningless you could give an organ transplant from an asian to a white an african to an asian etc. We know better than this in the medical profession.

  37. JM a lot of the tensions and problems of multiculturalism don’t even get a mention in the media. A lot of crime, fights etc go unreported.

    • So, your explanation as to why the evidence of why people don’t like multicutluralism is invisible is “No one actually talks about it”, right?

      So how do you know that multiculturalism is not working for Australia? If all the evidence of it not working is invisible, I mean?

  38. As someone in their 40’s I’ve seen my current city change through migration. I don’t have a specic personal situation, I’m the type of person who will talk to anyone. I do although feel disharmony unity/ problems have arisen on. For good or bad just my call, another opinion.

    • Unity? A vague notion indeed often called upon by politicians to sound good but unrealistic except perhaps in times of war or national emergencies.

      None of us feel “united” in any way to any of the idiots we feature here. We are ashamed that they are in our country.

    • So, in other words, while you absolutely believe that migration has hurt Australia, it hasn’t effected you in any way?

      And the far right wonder why no one will ever support them. Surprisingly hearing “Hey-those migrants are effecting Australia negatively in a way I canno describe, nor will effect me personally” doesn’t seem to compare to “Hey-I’m a friend/partner/work colleague from a different culture-look at me not being the antiChrist!”

  39. Don’t give an Funk as long as they stop with the multicultural experiment. If you let these people they would take over all western countrys, They have their own countries, It’s not our problem they don’t want to to practice birth control.. Even religious people today exercise birth control, this is 2012 It’s no fucken accident concieving a child, it’s a pretty specific event actually. Rather than moving from problems they might be better off helping their people fix problems at home then spreading and populating western countries.

    Instead of experimenting so much with migrants some effective attention should be given to the indigenous population. Not an apology from people born this century, not in the form of money, but restricting alcohol, being tough on drugs, tobacco other no brainer outcome impactors, to give things a chance. No amount of money is going to help without addressing these problems.

    It might seem harsh, or disrespectful, but you won’t get anywhere with a fairy approach. the low outcomes need to be acknowledged and addressed, If that means vouchers for food, dry zones enforcing whatever than so be it, one thing with racism is people need to move the fuck on from both sides. Thats why I think this site is rubbish, if someone does something racist it’s not an excuse to launch a cannon onto their house, or pull out a jousting stick, you just ignore the dick or deal with it appropriately and move the fuck on. Getting someones home country wrong or pronouncing their name or some other shit is not fucken racism. Some understanding on both sides, but more importantly stop taking in so many, we have plenty now.

    • I guess you wouldn’t have had any practice at the art of sex and conception. That’s probably why you are so angry and have to take it out on the tiny 1% of the population who are Muslim. What’s the matter, scared of competition from attractive intelligent men like Waleed Aly?

    • “Don’t give an Funk as long as they stop with the multicultural experiment.”

      Please describe, in specific detail, how multiculturalism has affected you negatively.

      ” If you let these people they would take over all western countrys,”

      Yeah, didn’t we say that about the Asian migration of the 70’s and 80’s? And about the Greeks and the Italians in the 50’s? And the Irish even earlier? And thE Chinese even earlier thna that? Funny-why did those “invasions” fail to come to pass?
      Or were all the people who said that wrong, but this time, you’re absolutely sure you’re right.

      ” Even religious people today exercise birth control, this is 2012 ”

      Are you saying we should ban Catholics? Because I can’t think of any other religion that has a hardline against birth control (Islam certainly doesn’t).
      I mean, I disagree with you if you want to ban Catholics from Australia, but I look forward to you digging your own hole on this one.

      “It’s no fucken accident concieving a child, it’s a pretty specific event actually. ”

      Wait, now you’re saying that there’s no such thing as an accidental pregnancy? Is that right? Well, if that’s the case than the morning after pill, and abortions, that thing just must not exist, right? Because if there is NO such thing as an accidental pregnancy then there would be no need for abortion or the mornning after pill to exist.

      “Not an apology from people born this century, not in the form of money, but restricting alcohol, being tough on drugs, tobacco other no brainer outcome impactors, to give things a chance. No amount of money is going to help without addressing these problems.”

      So instead of having migrants who contribute to this country, yuo say we should be helping Indigenous people. And by help, you mean “Locking up as soon as they step out of line”

      Hmm, locking up Aborigines….cause that’s worked so well in the past:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_deaths_in_custody

      “Thats why I think this site is rubbish, if someone does something racist it’s not an excuse to launch a cannon onto their house, or pull out a jousting stick, you just ignore the dick or deal with it appropriately and move the fuck on.”

      Yes, and then the racist belief just vanishes, right?
      Except it doesn’t. The racist of today has groups tha reinforce, strengthen and radicalise their own beliefs (Hating Muslims becomes hating all non whites, wanting muslims out of the country becomes I want to kill them all). If a racist then says something that is either accepted or not responded to-he interprets both as acceptance. To give an example, on the Australian Protectionist Facebook page I’ve seen people deny the holocaust, state that Jews rule the world, and call for the execution of all disabled people-no one challenged any of these beliefs. Now, I doubt all the members approve of such beliefs, but they let them happen without challenge, which those who made those beliefs would interpret as acceptance.

      Now, to ask you-if a personal attack of the like we saw here was directed at you-would you accept it? If a person told you he wanted to kill your family and yourself-would you just ignore him? What about if it happened in real life-would you ignore him then, or would you at least criticise the idiot in some degree?

      “Getting someones home country wrong or pronouncing their name or some other shit is not fucken racism. ”

      True. Thankfully this site doesn’t deal primarily with people’s pronounciation (It’s because this is a text based site). It does deal with calls of killing people because of their skin colour or belief. That is racist-right? Or is that okay to you?

      “Some understanding on both sides, but more importantly stop taking in so many, we have plenty now.”

      Cool-now in a quick answer, explain how you’ll solve the skills shortage in Australia, and run all the Universities and TAFE courses (Largely funded by International Students) without bringing in anyone from overseas? Bear in mind, that any answer than involves “Training up the next generation….blah blah blah” would have to also explain what’s going to happen to the industries that require these workers in the 18 years it will take to train people up, and also explain how you will get Australians to do skilled jobs that, previously, Australians do not want to do (Mining for example).

      I await your answer. Unless of course, it is “I don’t care-end the education system and ruin our economy, as long as I don’t have to deal with brown people who have affected me in ways I cannot explain directly because they haven’t affected me directly”

      Hell-I’ll even await that answer!

  40. Ok if your just dealing with extreme stuff and racism fine. But I don’t agree with advocating multiculturalism or posting about people who oppose it. I consider that to be separate from discrimination. The economy is certainly not dependant on immigration. Just a thought, do you think racism is worse BECAUSE of multiculturalism?

    • “But I don’t agree with advocating multiculturalism or posting about people who oppose it.”

      Why? How exactly has multiculturalism directly affected you negatively?

      Also, just to be clear-you think racism is wrong, but telling people of another skin colour that “They don’t belong here and you’re going to invade-you should go back to your own home country”-that’s not racism?

      “The economy is certainly not dependant on immigration. ”

      Not what I asked. I asked you to explain how you would fund our universtities, TAFEs and solve the skills shortages after you block all migrants. Saying “IT’ll be okay, we don’t need them” doesn’t solve the problems that would occur if we allowed no new people into Australia.

      “Just a thought, do you think racism is worse BECAUSE of multiculturalism?”

      No, I think racism has reduced because of multiculturalism. Think about it, back in the “white Australia policy” days people thought all sorts of crazy things about Jews, asians, etc, beliefs that were never really challenged, like blood libels, belief that asians were scared by loud noises, belief that tey were subhumans, etc.

      Of course, in modern Australia those stereotypes and racist beliefs are challenged in the most natural way possible-direct experience. The reason why we don’t think Italians, Greeks or Asians are invading Australia anymore is because most of us have people of Asian, Greek or Italian ancestry as friends, work colleagues, or partners. The same is happening with Muslims and will happen with Africans.

      But, please, tell me how racism is the fault of having other races here. Then tell me how that’s different from saying “There wouldn’t be any paedophilia if we only got rid of all the children”.

      And…..stuff you ignored:
      1) ” If you let these people they would take over all western countrys,”

      Yeah, didn’t we say that about the Asian migration of the 70′s and 80′s? And about the Greeks and the Italians in the 50′s? And the Irish even earlier? And thE Chinese even earlier thna that? Funny-why did those “invasions” fail to come to pass?

      2) Are you saying we should ban Catholics? Because I can’t think of any other religion that has a hardline against birth control (Islam certainly doesn’t).
      I mean, I disagree with you if you want to ban Catholics from Australia, but I look forward to you digging your own hole on this one.

      3) Wait, now you’re saying that there’s no such thing as an accidental pregnancy? Is that right? Well, if that’s the case than the morning after pill, and abortions, that thing just must not exist, right? Because if there is NO such thing as an accidental pregnancy then there would be no need for abortion or the mornning after pill to exist.

      4) So instead of having migrants who contribute to this country, yuo say we should be helping Indigenous people. And by help, you mean “Locking up as soon as they step out of line”

      Hmm, locking up Aborigines….cause that’s worked so well in the past

      5) Now, to ask you-if a personal attack of the like we saw here was directed at you-would you accept it? If a person told you he wanted to kill your family and yourself-would you just ignore him? What about if it happened in real life-would you ignore him then, or would you at least criticise the idiot in some degree?

  41. no have their own countries should work on getting things sorted there instead of flocking western ones. Even leaving western countries out of it, in the humble islands of Fiji the indigenous are being taken over and out breed. PNG and others. Ok for the worlds population to become one race? It’s fine what your talking about, but don’t be so sure your not bias because of personal situations or whereever in Australia you live.

    • The world’s population is one “race”, one species, with superficial physical differences. Even relatively homogeneous populations like the Japanese or the San have a multitude of physical differences.

      In fact there is more genetic diversity within a given population than between populations.

    • Okay, I really need you to read through your comments before you post them. You’re beginning to not make sense.

      “no have their own countries should work on getting things sorted there instead of flocking western ones. ”

      Ah yes, the ol’ “No one should come here, they should sort out their own countries”
      Barry-if you were an Afghan Hazara man, persecuted by your state, and threatened with death unless you agreed to join the Taliban, where you know you will likely be the first person killed, what would you do? Would you join up the Taliban and die, or would you try and flee for your life?

      “Ok for the worlds population to become one race?”

      We already are one race.

      ” It’s fine what your talking about,”

      Oh make up your mind. You say that foreign people are invading our country, but then you say racism is wrong. Now you say what I believe is fine, but somehow I’m biased towards something becaus I live somehwere.

      Of course I’m biased based on my own personal situation. So are you, though you’ve still failed to describe how multiculturalism is effecting you in anyway.

      Which leads into more of the questions Barry (Or Ye of many sock puppets) has failed to answer:

      1) ” If you let these people they would take over all western countrys,”

      Yeah, didn’t we say that about the Asian migration of the 70′s and 80′s? And about the Greeks and the Italians in the 50′s? And the Irish even earlier? And thE Chinese even earlier thna that? Funny-why did those “invasions” fail to come to pass?

      2) Are you saying we should ban Catholics? Because I can’t think of any other religion that has a hardline against birth control (Islam certainly doesn’t).
      I mean, I disagree with you if you want to ban Catholics from Australia, but I look forward to you digging your own hole on this one.

      3) Wait, now you’re saying that there’s no such thing as an accidental pregnancy? Is that right? Well, if that’s the case than the morning after pill, and abortions, that thing just must not exist, right? Because if there is NO such thing as an accidental pregnancy then there would be no need for abortion or the mornning after pill to exist.

      4) So instead of having migrants who contribute to this country, yuo say we should be helping Indigenous people. And by help, you mean “Locking up as soon as they step out of line”

      Hmm, locking up Aborigines….cause that’s worked so well in the past

      5) Now, to ask you-if a personal attack of the like we saw here was directed at you-would you accept it? If a person told you he wanted to kill your family and yourself-would you just ignore him? What about if it happened in real life-would you ignore him then, or would you at least criticise the idiot in some degree?

      6) Also, just to be clear-you think racism is wrong, but telling people of another skin colour that “They don’t belong here and you’re going to invade-you should go back to your own home country”-that’s not racism?

      7) I asked you to explain how you would fund our universtities, TAFEs and solve the skills shortages after you block all migrants. Saying “IT’ll be okay, we don’t need them” doesn’t solve the problems that would occur if we allowed no new people into Australia.

      8) he reason why we don’t think Italians, Greeks or Asians are invading Australia anymore is because most of us have people of Asian, Greek or Italian ancestry as friends, work colleagues, or partners. The same is happening with Muslims and will happen with Africans.

      But, please, tell me how racism is the fault of having other races here. Then tell me how that’s different from saying “There wouldn’t be any paedophilia if we only got rid of all the children”.

    • No the funniest thing is the white supremacist who is desperately afraid that people will think of them as racist, so they use whatever argument they can think of to justify their racism.

      So they care about the environment…..only when it comes to hating brown people. They care about other countries….only when it comes to hating brown people. And they use the word westerner, when really they mean the word white.

      It’s also hilarious when people pretend there’s this great unity amongst all white people, and tell themselves this is the case because all Asian people are alike (They’re not).

      Next hilarity is people who say they deny the holocaust, but aren’t anti-semitic. See-comedy is all around if you look for it.

  42. Tell us a story JM, starting you off in reference to completely false comments made by mind made up preeching the there are no races crap, going with that, there must be no such thing as Racism then.

  43. If you are proud of being racist, then tell me, do you tell your boss that you are racist? Have you told all your family and friends? After all, if you’re proud, you wouldn’t hide it, would you?

    Also, if you are proud of being racist, surely you’d be overjoyed this site exists. After all, this site takes racists and promotes them-and if you’re proud of this beliefe you’d love to be promoted, right?

  44. A serious comment

    I would like to without being racist express my concern over “new Australian” driver’s awareness of Australian road rules, as well as driving skills. The most recent situation I encountered was a person of race withheld driving the wrong way around a roundabout, nearly causing an accident. This “lack of understanding” happens far more often than I feel comfortable with, but I feel I would be labelled a racist to raise the issue.

    Dale

    • How do you know drivers are people of “race witheld”-it’s usualyl hard to spto the ethnicity of a driver while you and they are both driving? And just for the record, how many migrants did you see driving poorly before you decided it was a serious problem? Would it be more or less than the number of white bad drivers you’ve seen?

      All migrants, whether they have a license in thier home coutnry or not, need to pass an Australia drivers’ test to get a license in Australia. What further step do you think would be the right step?

  45. I could clearly see the person, and I expected as much the all races have bad drivers line, no I have never seen an “Anglo Aussie” go the wrong way around a roundabout first time I’d seen the likes of it. This person may have passed a driving test, and I’m sure they were not a “hoon” however they were doing something extremely dangerous and in my view should not hold an Australian drivers licence if they do not know the right way to travel around a roundabout. The learning and testing process has not given this person enough confidence on Australian roads, and may need revising.

    • So you think the driver’s test, the same test that we all do to get a license, is somehow not sufficient for migrants, is that right? And you think that the test, the same test we have all done, did not check to see which side of the road we drive on in Australia?

      I repeat, what further step do you think would be appropriate?

  46. The valid question by JM, “And just for the record, how many migrants did you see driving poorly before you decided it was a serious problem?” “Would it be more or less than the number of white bad drivers you’ve seen?”

    Representing a majority of road users I’ve seen many white drivers doing the wrong thing on the road,. What I have not seen is the confusion and lack of understanding of road rules by white drivers at the level I have seen in the migrant population who are significantly less in road user numbers.

    • What I have not seen is the confusion and lack of understanding of road rules by white drivers at the level I have seen in the migrant population who are significantly less in road user numbers.

      So how do you know whether someone is a migrant or not? Do they wear something sewn on their clothing?

    • So, let me get this straight, not only do you see clearly the ethnicity and country of origin of all drivers you see while you too are driving, but you can also see that they are confused, rather than just being an idiot? After all, you’re not saying that white Australians are confused when they’re driving badly-only migrants are “confused” even though they have passed the same test which is sufficient for all Australians.

      “The valid question by JM, “And just for the record, how many migrants did you see driving poorly before you decided it was a serious problem?” “Would it be more or less than the number of white bad drivers you’ve seen?” ”

      If it’s so valid, why didn’t you answer it? How many migrants did you see driving poorly before you saw it as a general problem, rather than individual cases?

    • An African driving the wrong way around a roundabout, plain daylight, many cars stopped suddenly. I don’t believe any person knowing the risks of such a behaviour would do such a thing intentionally. The person was most definately confused! We have only been accepting Africans since the 90s, and more recent in this area thats how I know the person was a migrant. (this site seems to have the idea that all these migrants have been here for ages I know for a fact this is not the case). How many people do you know that were from the “gold rush” I mean really, come on. Any other questions to contribute to the point? What happened was extremely dangerous. Would you not agree that this person is not driving to an appropriate standard? And I will say, yes I do not know how some people get their licence.

      • If you have complaints about drivers take them to your motoring authority.

        While you are at it you might like to consider the locally-bred hoons who regularly use both quiet suburban streets and main roads as their personal speedways, the ones who modify their cars to make as much noise as possible, the ones who drive drunk or on drugs, the ones who use their cars as cruising sleaze-buckets, driving by unsuspecting women and making moronic comments, the ones who use their mobiles while driving at high speeds, the ones who tailgate other drivers whom THEY think are not going fast enough….

  47. The “motoring Authority” is well aware of “hoons”. This is a seperate, different issue of migrant drivers you have diverted from. Whilst I’ve been overtaken by a “hoon” I’ve never seen a “hoon” drive the wrong way around a roundabout. I’ve seen many other bizzare driving from other migrant groups also.

  48. “how do you know someone is a “migrant”? ” would you like me to use the term “non caucasian Australian” M I’m sure you know what I am describing. You sound like your trying to detract from the point I made initially. I’ve never before seen someone take on a roundabout in the wrong direction. I saw an asian lady of some type filo possibly take 15 moves to exit a park also, while this other man was just laughing his head off. So It shocked me but I’ve come to expect it. I literally am interested in the testing process, because it just is not working.

    • would you like me to use the term “non caucasian Australian”

      Ah so they are Australian. And you are talking about Indigenous people there right? Somewhat unfairly I imagine.

      I saw an asian lady of some type filo

      Greek pastry? WTF?? What are you smoking?

      …take 15 moves to exit a park also, while this other man was just laughing his head off

      Well sometimes you park then you get a Toorak tractor behind you and a ute in front so maybe you need 15 moves. Even the great drivers we have here at TAB.

      Now the man laughing his head off, was he a “migrant”? How did he drive without a head?

      I literally am interested in the testing process, because it just is not working.

      Yeah, they gave you a licence didn’t they?

  49. when I saw some of these things I thought well I never, but your telling me this is normal where you live? So do you think all these people are good or what because it says fit in fuck off?

  50. How would you know what kind of a driver I am? I actually have a good driving record with several transport licences. Straya like Australia 🙂 good joke with the laughing head off, is that not an expression? laughing a lot, the man was just a regular white guy, who knows his story,(I could extrapolate that by his confidence dress, tan, car etc etc that good chance he was a local, however thats just guess work) what is sure is he was getting some entertainment out of the show. I couldn’t help but laugh myself. The lady started to get out in one way then realised that it was a one way road, then she be all coming back around all over again. When she finally made it out I gave the guy a thumbs up. He waved back shaking his head laughing. I know it’s discriminative and all, but it was funny. Probably not a danger as such but maybe a parking lesson or two ” “

  51. Didn’t know you Aussies were as politically correct (fucked up) as you apparently are.
    Scared shitless someone from the phony, non existent “world community” will call you racist. Just keep those immigrant-refugee doors wide open, there are 500 million more (future citizens) waiting to get in. What are you going to do when you are out numbered and out voted (have no say) in your own country. Remember, immigrants (even if they hate each other) will vote as a block for anybody who will allow more immigrants in. They will quickly become the most powerful voting block in the country, their support sought by political hacks of every stripe. Happy terminal dreamland Australia !

    • Wati, all immigrants vote together? Then how come we aren’t getting a vote decision of +95% in favour of one party (As the majority of the population of Australia is made up of immigrants).

      Oh wait, you don’t mean that. You mean that the “not-we” migrants are the ones that all vote together. Hence why people from a migrant background never vote or join anti-migration parties. Like Danny Nallilah, Jamei Diaz, etc….

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