Are We A Racist Nation? No, But…

Are we a racist nation? No, but …
Graeme Innes August 09, 2011

When I think back over the past two years or more, the question I have most commonly been asked as Race Discrimination Commissioner is, ”Is Australia racist?”

How do you answer that question without buying into the headline, the divisive news grab, the political quip?

In matters of discrimination, nothing is as simple as it seems. Nothing is as simple as a sound bite or a seemingly benign phrase such as, ”I’m not racist, but . . .” Because nine times out of 10, it’s the prelude to a racist comment.

Multiculturalism is Australia’s norm. It has been for hundreds of years. It’s our present – 50 per cent of Australians are born overseas or have an overseas-born parent – and it is also our certain future.

Once we accept that multiculturalism is our norm, we will begin to appreciate the need for leadership that doesn’t problematise particular cultures, or make them wrong. We will realise that igniting and exploiting cultural or religious differences, for the purpose of political expediency, and building monocultures, is the most dangerous legacy that governments or politicians can bestow. Because it fractures our identity and constrains our development.

Our future is also online interconnectedness.  My daughter at high school does her homework with the help of Dr Google, while she’s on Facebook and texting.

In most respects, these developments in technology are welcome. In fact, as a blind person I couldn’t do my job without them. They also have connected the world’s indigenous peoples, as well as ethnic minority groups, in a way they have never been connected before – to share stories, co-ordinate their work, and collectively organise.

However, they can also be used to cause serious harm. The proliferation of race-hate websites and materials breeds and incites real world hatred. And our cyber-racism complaints have more than doubled in the past couple of years.

Racism online means that racism in our classrooms, workplaces and communities moves into our pockets and handbags.

It is the same old racism in a new space, but with increased potential for anonymity, exponential capacity to go viral, and a complex interjurisdictional environment. So what do we do about it?

Many organisations, here and overseas, are running effective anti-bullying programs and campaigns. We are having some success with discrimination complaints, and material and sites being taken down. We do not yet have all the solutions. What we do know is that, just like the broader conversation on racism, it will require partnerships between government, social networking sites and ISPs, and the community. And it will require members of connected communities to stand up and say, ”It is not OK.”

Australia is a great country. And there is no single story about Australia. Australia should be a country of which we can all be proud, and in which we can all feel safe, and at home.

We are all responsible for naming, and saying no to, racism. We must call it when we see it, when the talkback show host, the internet friend, or the person sitting next to us starts their sentence with the seemingly innocent, but loaded phrase, ”I’m not racist, but . . .”

Race hate, racism, careless words can harm entire populations. They can change the way that we live together. Denial also changes the way that we live together. It keeps Australians stuck.

Denying racism says, ”We don’t believe you.” Or that, ”You have imagined or misunderstood your own circumstances.”

When 4000 students from Indian backgrounds stand on the streets of Melbourne claiming there have been racist attacks and stating, quite simply, ”We are afraid”, then sit up and pay attention, Australia. I note it was not governments but Wurundjeri elders who, with kindness and respect, acknowledged and counselled international students during this time.

There has been a tendency to name race as a problem in this country. And, in doing that, we have named some cultures as the problem. The real problem is not reaching full equality.

We need to act together, without delay, to eradicate racism and racial inequality in all of its forms – to find a solution. This is a real zero-tolerance approach, not a ”zero-acknowledgment” approach.

You can follow me on Twitter at @graemeinnes.

This is an edited extract from a speech the outgoing Race Discrimination Commissioner, Graeme Innes, will give to the National Press Club today. Follow the National Times on Twitter: @NationalTimesAU

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154 thoughts on “Are We A Racist Nation? No, But…

  1. I love how he says that “we are all responsible for naming it, saying no to racism.” So true! So many of my friends are not racist at all, but are totally apathetic to its insidious spread in our country. Some even make fun of me for going on to the hate pages to tell the racists off. What an inspirational piece!

  2. This is nothing but an insult to Australians! It’s glibly stated (alleged?) that some 50% of the Australian population is now immigrants? You think THAT’S not a problem? You think Australians DON’T have a right to voice a concern over that? You don’t think this rapid marginalisation of Australians – in Australia – is racist itself? Why ARE there 4,000 (at least!) Indian students even in Melbourne? So-called “Multiculturalism” is a very deliberate, malicious, plan…put in effect to marginalise, and then eliminate, the White populations of sovereign Western nations…and THIS itself is not considered racist? So-called “Multiculturalism” is in fact the policy of fracture and destruction…it is an insult as ideology, and an assualt in practice! This whole sordid piece, is nothing but lies and myths, and is an outright insult to Australians. Anyone who think this insulting garbage is good, is either a fool, or an outright traitor. It is actually the apathy OF most Australians, that is allowing enormous numbers of foreign races and their clashing cultures to move into our country! There WAS ONE SINGLE STORY to Australia…we told it proudly and lived it confidently up until about, ooooohhhh, five minutes ago! We have every right to be the star of our own story into the future!

      • That’s not an answer, not in any way, shape or form. That is a (typical) leftist evasion tactic. Now, will you at least try and properly respond to the issue (issues!)? Can you at least attempt to muster anything of worth to say for yourself? The “we’d” that you refer to isn’t so impressive either (not that it was very impressive to begin wit!), because more people are becoming aware of who and what is behind the ‘anti-bogan’, and the agenda being plied! I wouldn’t be so quick to tout yourself as “mindmadeup”, because your mind is currently made up all wrong! Now, as I’ve asked, can you at least attempt to say something worthwhile?

    • A few questions:

      1. Is ‘white’ a race?
      2. If a white person born in Australia has a great great great great great grandmother who was Chinese, is that person no longer considered Australian?

    • Scott,

      I have done my best to answer your questions. Please take the time to carefully read the following.

      “It’s glibly stated (alleged?) that some 50% of the Australian population is now immigrants?”

      According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, in mid-2006 there were 4,956,863 residents who were born outside Australia, representing 24% of the total population. It isn’t a far stretch to think that there would be another 5 million who are the children of people born overseas. See Page 43-44 of the linked ABS report.

      “You think THAT’S not a problem?”

      No. Why would it be?
      Skilled immigration is a great way to solve any skill shortages that we have. Other cultures also bring a number of other useful things to a country but I feel that food is the most obvious (and delicious). Have you ever enjoyed a meal of Chinese, Indian, Italian, Mexican, Malaysian, Japanese or any of the myriad of other cultures cuisines that can be found in any major city in Australia? If you have then you should consider what would happen if these other cultures never came to Australia. What do you think you will lose as a result of people from other countries coming here?

      “You think Australians DON’T have a right to voice a concern over that?”

      Yes, you can say whatever you want (within reason – laws exist against hate speech laws and defamation etc.) but Australians, even those who were not born here, can call you out if they think/know that what you are saying is ignorant bullshit.

      “You don’t think this rapid marginalisation of Australians – in Australia – is racist itself?”

      Define who you think is an “Australian” and who isn’t.

      Please explain why you think there is a “rapid marginalisation” of “Australians” (cite sources for any figures/information you use to reach this conclusion)?

      The following is taken from the ABS report linked below: Between 1996 and 2006 the number of Australia-born residents of Australia increased at an average rate of 1.1% per year, while the number of overseas-born residents increased at 1.5% per year.

      0.4% per year is hardly a “rapid marginalisation”. Especially when the vast majority of people living in Australia we born here. The vast majority (85%+) of Australians are of European descent. Pages 56-57 of the ABS report I have linked give a breakdown of Australia’s “Estimated Resident population, country of birth and age” at the 06 census.

      Please explain how you think any of this is racist? How would letting immigrants into Australia be racist in anyway?

      “Why ARE there 4,000 (at least!) Indian students even in Melbourne?”

      They are paying us a lot of money to get an education here. This is a good thing and is one of our largest export sectors. It will also be around after we have dug up all our mineral wealth.

      “So-called “Multiculturalism” is a very deliberate, malicious, plan…put in effect to marginalise, and then eliminate, the White populations of sovereign Western nations…and THIS itself is not considered racist?”

      I don’t understand how you come to this conclusion. You are saying that multiculturalism is a global conspiracy based around different cultures all living together, sharing and accepting each other and is somehow racist?

      Why are you scared of not being white? Will not being white stop you from enjoying VB and Vegemite on toast?

      “This whole sordid piece, is nothing but lies and myths, and is an outright insult to Australians.”

      No it isn’t. How is it insulting you?

      “Anyone who think this insulting garbage is good, is either a fool, or an outright traitor.”

      I think this is good. I am not a fool so I must be a traitor. I’m just wondering who you think I am being a traitor against and how you think I should be punished.

      “It is actually the apathy OF most Australians, that is allowing enormous numbers of foreign races and their clashing cultures to move into our country!”

      The number of immigrants between July 2008 and June 2009 was 158,021 or 0.696% of total population (source: http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/02key.htm).

      Those are not huge numbers.

      33,034 from NZ, 21,567 from the UK, 16,909 from India, 14,935 from china. We are being over run by Kiwis and Poms! Which cultures clash with what you would describe as the “Australian Culture”?

      “There WAS ONE SINGLE STORY to Australia”

      I don’t know how many stories are involved in the making of Australia, but its defiantly more than one and I can guarantee it involves a hell of a lot of immigration of people with different cultures.

      I hope this helps. As I have taken the time to respond to you I would like you to answer some of the questions I put to you. That seems fair doesn’t it? It wouldn’t be very Australian to not be fair wouldn’t it? You wouldn’t want to be unaustralian would you?

      Sources:
      http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/E0A79B147EA8E0B5CA2572AC001813E8/$File/34120_2005-06.pdf
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia#Country_of_birth
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Australia#Ancestry_of_Australian_population

    • Yay! Scott Pengelly is back.. :D
      Damn! I’m busy with uni :(
      Remember me Scott? Oh yeah! How could you forget, some of the bruises on ya arse that I’m responsible for. :|
      I will be back when I have time,
      Hey Scott, so what’s news? Got a job yet? Still living with ya mum? Got laid? Guess not. How are the Asian Beauties? What else has been scaring you in Melton? other than the non-white people?
      Enjoy ya centerlink money, catch ya later :)

    • Oh, I will enjoy myself here. How are you, Scott? Still stating proudly that you are “in many ways” a Nazi? Anyway, I digress. Here are the answers to your many questions:
      “It’s glibly stated (alleged?) that some 50% of the Australian population is now immigrants?”

      This is not a question. You do know the purpose of the “?” don’t you Scotty?

      ” You think THAT’S not a problem?”

      No. I don’t.

      ” You think Australians DON’T have a right to voice a concern over that?”

      They absolutely do. If they have a good reason to show that Australia shouldn’t have migrants in it.
      Oh, and if they’re Aboriginal. Otherwise-the complainants would be migrants too. Or are you one of those “Everyone who arrived by boat to this country isn’t an Aussie, except for me, and people who are like me”

      ” You don’t think this rapid marginalisation of Australians – in Australia – is racist itself?”

      How are Australians being marginalised? I’m a white Australian, anglo heritage, with family dating back to the gold rush, and I’ve never felt marginalised.
      So please tell us Scotty, how exactly you have been marginalised in your daily life?

      ” Why ARE there 4,000 (at least!) Indian students even in Melbourne?”

      They pay money for their courses. The money they pay allows the Universities to run, and provide courses to all other Australians. Or would you prefer all Universities to shut down?

      ” So-called “Multiculturalism” is a very deliberate, malicious, plan…put in effect to marginalise, and then eliminate, the White populations of sovereign Western nations…and THIS itself is not considered racist?”

      How are the white populations of Australia being eliminated? Any proof of this actually being carried out? And, pray tell, who is behind it? The Jews? The Commies? The aliens? The alien-commie-Jews?

      “This whole sordid piece, is nothing but lies and myths,”

      Point out any lie in this article. Point out one which you state is a malicious untruth. Any one.

      “Anyone who think this insulting garbage is good, is either a fool, or an outright traitor. It is actually the apathy OF most Australians, that is allowing enormous numbers of foreign races and their clashing cultures to move into our country!”

      Oh, so you’re problem is some cultures are incompatible with Australia’s. Which are they? What makes one culture compatiable and another incompatible? Becuase w’eve always had different cultures. Even prior to the first fleet, we had different Aboriginal cultures, and on the first fleet we had different religions. So when did this mix of cultures, which was always there, start becoming a problem?

      ” There WAS ONE SINGLE STORY to Australia…we told it proudly and lived it confidently up until about, ooooohhhh, five minutes ago!”

      When was there “ONE SINGLE STORY”? When did all Australians, Aboriginals, Jews, Greeks, Italians, Anglos, Irish, Scots, etc all have the same story?

  3. Not rant, no, but reaction. To the malicious words of a traitor, who openly despises the Australian people and callously acts to encourage first our marginalisation, then our elimination, and to the hysterical praise of such by self loathing lemmings! [Defamatory content removed - mmu]

  4. Come now
    “1 sick 1″ (?), even you know must know that what you’ve said is plainly ridiculous! So…we’re immigrants? To our own nation? Huh? We founded a nation here, there wasn’t a sovereign nation to immigrate or emigrate to! There isn’t a civilised sovereign nation here without us having made one! Come on, you realise this, you must. Don’t play at being the fool…at least, not more so.

    • “So…we’re immigrants? To our own nation?”

      So, your argument is Anglos aren’t Migrants because they created the nation?

      But nations don’t stop being created Scot. They change and adapt over time. So, all migrants have helped create the Nation we now know as Australians. Now, you may say that you’d prefer Australia at a certain time, but your love of facebook, pictures of asian ladies, and (I hope!) not shitting in a bucket and hoping you don’t get cholera suggests otherwise

      “We founded a nation here, there wasn’t a sovereign nation to immigrate or emigrate to! ”

      So….what do you call the Aborigines? Are they are part of our sovereign nation, or are they not Australians?

      “There isn’t a civilised sovereign nation here without us having made one!”

      Whose “us”? Because if you’re one of those “All white people are connected”, then sorry, I gotta disagree with you. I’ve got more in common with my Vietnamese neighbours than I do a Russian I’ve never met!

      Are you telling me different?

  5. Now, Chris. Ooooooohh, Chris! I’m not there, or here, to amuse anyone. It is my living birthright to speak out against attacks against my people and country, wherever they may be. The genocide of the Australian people, and the wholesale giveaway of the Australian society, is no mere “joke”. ‘Go Back To Where You Came From’, both the television program and the internet sites and Facebook pages set up to promote it…is but one part of the relentless effort to demoralise the Australian people into accepting their dissolution, and eventual destruction…as is this awful ‘Anti-Bogan’ blog. Two very bitter peas, in the same rotten pod.

    • You need to do some research and learn what an actual genocide is like you ignorant, disgusting excuse for a human being. Try Rwanda or Bosnia for a start.
      Who exactly is orchestrating this “elimination” of Australians? The only “elimination” of Australians I’ve seen any evidence of is what was done to indigenous Australians by your ancestors.

      Why is it that in your sad little mind the only people who can claim to be “Australian” are white?
      Why are your comprehension skills so poor that you can’t even see the difference between “50 per cent of Australians are born overseas or have an overseas-born parent” and “half of the australian population are immigrants”? My daughter was born in Australia and will grow up in Australia. She has an Australian passport, the dept. of immigration and citizenship had no issue with giving her a passport so they obviously consider her to be Australian. Why do you have a problem with her being considered Australian if they don’t? Why do you have an issue with her mother being born overseas? Particularly since I have contributed more to the Australian economy (and thus your centrelink benefits) and society in the 5 years I’ve been here than you have in your entire life.
      Why are you so stupid that you can’t even interpret the statistics properly and see that the biggest groups of immigrants are Brits and Kiwis? I hope you’re out there picketing British pubs. I hope you ticked “aussie” on your census form, otherwise the government might start building immigrant centres and italian restaurants in your suburb.

      Since this is a long post, I’ll repeat my questions for you because I’m sure you find it difficult to read coherent english:
      1, Who exactly is orchestrating this “elimination” of Australians?
      2, Why is it that in your sad little mind the only people who can claim to be “Australian” are white?
      3, Why are your comprehension skills so poor that you can’t even see the difference between “50 per cent of Australians are born overseas or have an overseas-born parent” and “half of the australian population are immigrants”?
      4, Why do you have a problem with her being considered Australian if they [Dept. of Immigration & Citizenship] don’t?
      5, Why do you have an issue with her mother being born overseas?
      6, Why are you so stupid that you can’t even interpret the statistics properly and see that the biggest groups of immigrants are Brits and Kiwis?
      Please answer my questions or you will once again prove that you have no case and are not actually trying to save your ‘culture’ or Australian identity and that you are in fact a vile, factually (& intellectually) challenged racist.

  6. p.s, to anyone else visiting… don’t you just love how ‘anti-bogan’ types just can’t wait to go running around sreeching and squawking and “dobbing” people in to their silly little clique of cronies!

  7. Let’s return to the crux issue right here. The specific issue here. That these woeful words of Graham Innes read as nothing more than a malcious manifesto for the elimination of the Australian people.

    • And where does he call for the elimination of the Australian people? Specific quotes please, because I don’t think you read this article.

      And don’t tell me he “Says it not hrough words, but throguh the gaps in the words”-because as explanations go, that’s up there with “The Barking Dog tells me it’s true!”

  8. So this whole post is about pointing out racism and putting an end to it.
    Ok, I’m white and I get discriminated against constantly by Asians, Indians, Arabs, Jews and Africans. Oh yeah, and Aboriginals too.
    The discrimination I recieve is that all whites are racist.
    All whites are racist because, well, they’re white. “Whites enslaved people, they held the crusades, etc etc.”
    These are some of the most common excuses, and in some cases the only excuses I’ve heard when dealing with non-whites and the topic of ‘racism versus freedom of speech’.
    The problem with ‘racism’ is that non-whites have no concept of actual racism. Just like most women have no actual concept of sexism and old people have no real concept of ageism.
    They see it as a red card to hold up against people when they feel that they are being treated unfairly.
    The problem is, when it comes to the issue of immigration most non-whites make no attempt;
    No attempt to understand Australian culture in the absolute slightest; (except for sports and drinking but that’s hardly a ‘culture’ now is it)
    no attempt to understand the language (not just the English language but Australian proverbs and slang),
    no attempt to understand the concept of manners or personal space,
    no attempt to intergrate or assimilate into society at all, they just stick to their own with entire suburbs becoming dedicated to hosting various peoples from the same region. ie; all Asians, all Africans, all Muslims;, but they expect white people to intergrate with them. (No, actually the government and left-wing liberals want white people to intergrate with non-whites because they wish to make all whites feel guilty about the ‘plight’ of other peoples. Well, not all whites are for capitalism which is responsible for most of the worlds major problems today, not the White Devil.)
    Non-whites, or I should really call them immigrants but let’s face it, there’s no Little Ireland or Little Scotland but there’s a Little Chinatown so it’s obvious that white immigrants can assimilate into white Australian culture quite easily.
    No, non-whites make no attempt at any of these things and because of this, immigrants will constantly feel as if they are discriminated against because they don’t fit in and therefore reach for the red card of ‘racism’ when they are called on their bad manners etc.
    Well now they have taken a vast majority of livable space, not just physically but verbally within the government and quite a few white people are getting fed up with it. Fed up with the government squandering resources on minority after minority and practically ignoring white Australians because “We already have it good”. 4000 Indian students in Melbourne tells me white Australian students don’t have it good. I should know, I’m one of them! HECS doesn’t mean anything when there are Indian, Asian and Arab students willing to pay upfront! But no, we can’t have our say because that’s deemed as being ‘racist’.
    And who invented rasicm? Non-whites. The sub-continent of India held civilisations that outdated most of the west and they developed the Cast System.
    Slavery, the number one reason why white people are held responsible for racism, has existed in nearly every single culture throughout the world, even before whites began to build vast empires.
    There are more slaves in the world now then in any other time in history due to the sex industry creating sex slaves, the highest rates being in South East Asia, parts of Africa and parts of the Middle East.
    There have been reports of Middle Eastern gangs and terrorist cells kidnapping white european women and forcing them into slavery, yet these reports hardly see mainstream media coverage as governments wish to continue to push the “multicultural” agenda and don’t wish for bad publicity to hinder its progress.
    The true Australian culture created by people like Henry Lawson and Banjo Paterson is slowly dying thanks to multiculturalism and a capitalist agenda of promoting a hedonistic lifestyle.

    • A simple question for a simple man: how are white Australians comparably disadvantaged in our society when compared with the disadvantage experienced by women, Indigenous Australians, disabled Australians and first generation migrants?

      • “A simple question for a simple man” … ?
        So, you’re simply stating that you simply believe that I’m a simple man for simply stating my opinion in a simple manner?
        A typical left-wing liberal. Drags the conversation down into the gutter with insults at the first opportunity.

        • Why don’t you try answering the question – or is it too difficult for you?

          To help you I will restate it. I am not the admin who asked it BTW.

          how are white Australians comparably disadvantaged in our society when compared with the disadvantage experienced by women, Indigenous Australians, disabled Australians and first generation migrants?

        • Hi Alex,

          I realise now that the question may have been too hard. This makes you a typical right-wing tard. Comes onto an anti-discrimination forum with an ignorant as hell comment and then refuses to engage in any further discussion because he is insulted for doing so.

          alex edwards

          What more could we expect from a guy who likes Adolf Hitler and has a picture of a skull as his profile picture?

          And don’t think that there wasn’t anything insulting in your first post, my simple friend. You made sweeping negative generalisations and I as a non-white, female Australian I was personally offended.

        • Thanks for proving that you’re completely incapable of holding a civilised conversation by attempting to character assasinate me.
          Well at least I’m not hiding behind some fraudulent internet-alter-ego.
          You justify your being offended by attempting to offend myself rather then explain yourself? How childish.
          How dare you display my profile without my consent, even if it is made public, you only display a certain ammount? Why don’t you display everything else I like? Well? I demand you do such or remove this post immediately.
          Your accusation of my “offending” you and then your blatant attempt to discredit me via displaying my Facebook profile without my authorisation is another attempt of left-wing liberalism attempt at oppression of the right to freedom of speech. The same right that followers of Islam use to denounce Christianity and call Jihad on all who oppose Islam, which is far moure hateful then anything I’ve had to say.
          Just because you’re “offended” does not give you the right to become offensive. You are a hypocrit of the highest order.
          How about you read my comments in regards to Chris, a very civilised human being who has shown a good deal of respect to my views.

        • And if you were offended then why was the comment not removed by a moderator? Why was it accepted by the moderators of this board at all if it was deemed to be “offensive” ? This is slanderous garbage against my person in an attempt to discreidt everything I’ve said.
          This site is called “Anti Discrimination” yet you have discriminated against me for what I keep on my Facebook profile? Absolute hypocrisy. If this was politics I would wipe the floor with you.
          You need to do better.

        • People seeing their names aren’t thinking anything bad about them. But seeing that you like Adolf Hitler, they may be thinking twice about where you stand…

        • But wait, “mindmadeup” aren’t you the moderator of this site?
          You have just discredited you whole entire site by disciminating against my Facebook profile.
          Good job!
          Anti Discrimination, unless they’re the ones doing the discriminating.

        • We are mocking you because you like Adolf Hitler. Not because of anything else. Kind of like you’d mock a person who ‘liked’ pedophilia or rape.

        • You had a brilliant opportunity to point out where I was wrong but no, you failed. Miserably.
          If you wish to coninue to moderate this site successfully and not just cater to left-wings, which is itself a form of discrimination unless you rename the site “Left-wing liberals only” then we all know where you stand, then you need to learn how to hold a civilised and respectable debate. Yes, people are going to offend you from time to time as you might offend others with your own view.
          But you can’t go flying off the handle everytime someone offends you slightly, like you have done here. This was entirely uncalled for.
          There is no reason for people to go around walking on eggshells for fear of offending people. If it’s not on purpose then it shouldn’t be considered offensive.
          It’s politcal correctness and cultural marxism.

        • Alex, you seem a little simple. So I’ll try for a fourth time. If you’re going to come on here talking about how discrimination is equally distributed to white members of Australian society, then… “How are white Australians comparably disadvantaged in our society when compared with the disadvantage experienced by women, Indigenous Australians, disabled Australians and first generation migrants?” Please cite evidence, statistics and examples that show that the majority of discrimination and institutionalised racism occurs at the disadvantage of white Australians.

          Also, a second question has now been posted for you to answer: You said “With schools not teaching the students the history of Australia…”. Please provide evidence of such a ludicrous claim.

        • Sure there has been plenty proven.
          You have proven yourself that you cannot hold a respectable and civilised conversation. This in of itself says to me that you don’t deserve an answer to your questions.
          This would be like rewarding a child who shows rude behaviour and bad manners.
          A relatively simple question was put to me in an overly rude and uncivilsed way and because I don’t reply to rude and uncivilised people you have then proceeded to attempt to discredited me. Left-wing totalitarianism at its best.

        • The Nationalist Alternative are rude. So was Adolf Hitler. You like both. Either you can answer the question, or you can’t and you’re full of shit and have lost the debate.

        • So you’re basing who I am on two things I like?
          More discrimination and more hypocrisy from the moderators of Anti Discrimination website.
          I haven’t lost any debate. I was merely stating my opinion.
          A debate is when two or more people engage in a civilised conversation, when two or more involved in that conversation have opposing views and attempt to voice those views with respect to one another.
          This can only be achieved once someone has given their opinion in a civilised manner. I feel I achieved that as I had no intention of offending anyone and there was no refference to anything offensive. I will not take responsiblity for those who take it to a personal level as you have.
          You failed in this “debate” as you made no attempt to be civilised. A concept you have failed to grasp throughout this conversation.
          You are an obtuse, obnoxious, discriminating little communist who doesn’t deserve any answer from any one on any matter.

        • No darling, the debate occurs when each side presents questions and answers to each other until the point where one party is unable to answer or stick to their main argument. This is exactly what you’ve done.

          Are you going to answer the questions or not? Shall I request one of the other nicer admins to ask it as has already happened?

          P.S – the fact that you like the Nationalist Alternative and Adolf Hitler diminishes my opinion of you personally but is irrelevant to the debate. Its relevancy remains in the fact that you’re here arguing about discrimination and yet you support two of the biggest examples of discrimination imaginable.

        • Done without insults you idiot. You insultd me, I ignored you. You then dragged up my Facebook profile and then attemtpted to character assassinate me.
          You’re a child.
          Fuck off.

        • Character assassinate? Loving Adolf Hitler and having an open profile is your problem to deal with.

          Failing to answer the most basic of questions and then calling everyone around you unable to debate? Faaaaaaail.

        • And to add, just becuase I hit the ‘like’ buttong on Facebook gives a lot of different meanings then just ‘liking’ that particular subject. In order to get any information from anything on that particular subject it needs to be ‘liked’. But you already know that. But you refuse to acknowledge it at all and continue to blatantly judge me on my personal veiws and two things on my Facebook page.
          You’re a slanderous idiot who doesn’t understand the concept of “discrimination”, who deserves no more of my time.

        • “In order to get any information from anything on that particular subject it needs to be ‘liked’.”

          Bullshit. What a pathetic excuse. You can view a public Facebook page without ‘liking’ it you tool. How do you think we have obtained the large majority of the content on this blog?

          Faaaaaail.

    • You lost me at ‘most women have no concept of sexism’. For all I know you had a valid point in there somewhere, but as someone who’s been at the receiving end of sexism at school, in the workplace (bless you Foxtel) and with friends… yeah argument is invalid.

      • The reason I said that is because most people will choose to see themselves as victims and therefore, either voluntary or involuntary they are selective of the situation.
        Call racism when they feel they are being discriminated against but not when they are doing the discriminating.
        It’s the same with women and sexism. Plenty of women are discriminated against yet don’t feel that men are, which is false because men are actually sexually discriminated against in various situations.
        But you chose not to continue to read on and for that your comment in invalid.

        • Now that you’re being civil, like to tell us why you “like” Hitler? All you’ve said is that “liking can mean many possible things”-which is cutely enigmatic, but does little to dispell the notion that you support the figurehead of an idiology that my ancestors, and my nation fought against.

    • “The problem is, when it comes to the issue of immigration most non-whites make no attempt;”

      Source please. Source that the majority of non-whites make no attempt to fit into Australian society.

      “No attempt to understand Australian culture in the absolute slightest; (except for sports and drinking but that’s hardly a ‘culture’ now is it)”

      Well, to judge that non-whites don’t attempt to understand Australian culture, you must have a pretty good idea of what our culture is beyond sports and drinking, wouldn’t you Alex? So why don’t you tell us all, what is Australian culture all about?

      And funnily enough, many of the complaints I’ve heard my friends saying about Muslims is that they can’t fit in because they can’t drink!

      “no attempt to understand the language (not just the English language but Australian proverbs and slang),”

      How dare they not know the slang! Shame on them for not knowing cultural idioms that are eternally changing, and are often regionally specific (Melbourne does not have the same slang as Sydney for example).

      Naturally, you’d have proof of all white migrants knowing Australian slang perfectly, and being respected for using it. Because when I see Americans or English trying to use our slang, it’s too often out-of-date, not used appropriately, and sounds terrible.

      “no attempt to understand the concept of manners or personal space,”

      How exactly have non-whites broken your rules of manners?

      “no attempt to intergrate or assimilate into society at all, they just stick to their own with entire suburbs becoming dedicated to hosting various peoples from the same region.”

      Except where they don’t. North Melbourne, Fitzroy, Footscray, all mixed up groups.
      And all areas doing rather well, with imrpoved reputations of recent years, thanks to…..the migrants building businesses there.

      But I’m sure you’d prefer the Fitzroy of the 1950′s-when every night there was a fight in the streets.

      “Well, not all whites are for capitalism which is responsible for most of the worlds major problems today, not the White Devil.)”

      Wait-I though we were the Communists here! Are you outing yourself as a Red-Alex?

      “Non-whites, or I should really call them immigrants but let’s face it, there’s no Little Ireland or Little Scotland but there’s a Little Chinatown so it’s obvious that white immigrants can assimilate into white Australian culture quite easily.”

      So, you’re saying the point of migration is to lose your own culture? To not have any knowledge of the culture of Scotland or Ireland-that’s a success to you?

      “Well now they have taken a vast majority of livable space, not just physically but verbally within the government and quite a few white people are getting fed up with it.”

      According to recent election results, Alex’s “Quite a few” is about 0.000000002% of the population.

      “4000 Indian students in Melbourne tells me white Australian students don’t have it good.”

      Yes, it’s terrible having access to an education where you don’t have to pay up front, won’t have to pay until youre making a substantial salary where the cost won’t be as much an issue, have access to subsidised transport, no bank fees and government payments. How I wish I was an Indian student, where I’d have none of those.

      ” I should know, I’m one of them! HECS doesn’t mean anything when there are Indian, Asian and Arab students willing to pay upfront!”

      Just like there are rich Australians willing to pay up front. But if all those international students stopped turning up, how exactly are the Universities expected to run? And how is our economy supposed to last with our thirs major export eliminated? Please let me know how you plan to save the Australia economy from this disaster you’ve stated a preference for!

      And if you’re on HECS, then you got into University. So, obviously, the International Students didn’t block your application-so what’s the problem exactly?

      “Slavery, the number one reason why white people are held responsible for racism”

      Really? Slavery is why we’re blamed for racism? I thought it was the racist comments and attacks on people of a different colour skin. Nope, you’re right, racism is all about slavery of centuries past, not stuff happening today. History!

      “There are more slaves in the world now then in any other time in history due to the sex industry creating sex slaves,”

      Oh, and where are the sex slaves sent too? Did you not see the Australian film recently showing the large problem Australia, along with other western countries, have with sex slavery?

      “There have been reports of Middle Eastern gangs and terrorist cells kidnapping white european women and forcing them into slavery,”

      But enough about your erotic dreams.
      But seriously-you’ll need a source for this claim. There is a sexual slavery ring running-it’s in places where criminal gangs are very strong and poverty is very high-usually Russia, SE Asia, and China. But I’ve never heard of “Middle Eastern gangs” kidnapping white women outside or Jerry Lewis movies. So you’re going to need to come up with some evidence.

      “yet these reports hardly see mainstream media coverage as governments wish to continue to push the “multicultural” agenda and don’t wish for bad publicity to hinder its progress.”

      Or they didn’t happen. One of the two.

      “The true Australian culture created by people like Henry Lawson and Banjo Paterson is slowly dying thanks to multiculturalism and a capitalist agenda of promoting a hedonistic lifestyle.”

      So, what is that culture exactly? Hating the bush, and thinking the coutnryside will drive men insane (You did read some Henry Lawson before you wrote that, didn’t you?)

  9. Hey scotty, how does it feel to be out-argued and embarrassed on a PUBLIC FORUM by one of the immigrants you so hate? still waiting for your fact-filled rebuttals btw.

    i also corrected your spelling at least once too. scotty, the queen is not amused at your heavy-handed butchery of the English language.

  10. and ffs, stop bandying the word ‘genocide’ around. i’ve posted the official definition twice on fb already, and your repeated rape of the word is leading me to believe that your reading skills are scarcely above a first grade level.

  11. hey alex do you like warhammer 40k? nice!

    anyway, i dont aim to speak for all immigrants, but saying that all non whites think whites are racist could be a bit much. i certainly dont think every caucasian is racist, despite being presented with the likes of scotty and the filth so often displayed by this page. in fact, some of my best friends were white, and i was received well in a majority white high school despite my obvious accent, squinty eyes, brown skin etc.

    and saying that all foreigners love playing the racist card is in itself prejudicial. and the presence of every foreigner who can speak the language well, engages in mateship, taking the piss and disliking the tall poppy invalidates your idea that every foreigner couldnt be stuffed with aussie culture, much less the queen’s english.

    ‘with entire suburbs becoming dedicated to hosting various peoples from the same region. ie; all Asians, all Africans, all Muslims;, ‘

    and can you really blame them? western society is a completely alien social structure to that of the east. it is natural for foreigners to want to seek out familiar surroundings, instead of being thrust into a completely white suburb where everyone views them with some degree of prejudice and suspicion.

    • I never said foriegners love playing the racial card.
      It’s the fact that they don’t understand, or don’t fully understand the situation that they might be in and call the racial card prematurely. But it happens all too often and frankly I, as well as a lot of other white Australians I know are getting sick of it.
      It has gotten to the point that for a white Australian to be proud of who they are is tantamount to being “racist”.
      This in of itself only sparks further racism, as one who is firstly accused of being a “racist” needs to defend themselves they will simply label the accuser a “rasict” for not understanding the difference between national pride and actually being “racist”.
      There are plenty who have come from overseas to live here yet their national pride lies with their home country. Are we to label all of these ex-patriate nationalists as racist? No, of course not.

      “and the presence of every foreigner who can speak the language well, engages in mateship, taking the piss and disliking the tall poppy invalidates your idea that every foreigner couldnt be stuffed with aussie culture, much less the queen’s english. ”
      Australian culture is a little more then “mateship”, “taking the piss” and “disliking the tall poppy”. All three attributes that could be found in most all cultures around the world.
      Everyone has friends, everyone makes fun of these friends at some stage and everyone makes fun of those in a higher position then themselves. To even suggest that these are remotely Australian and specific to Australian culture would be completly and utterly bogus.
      By that logic I could go to China, eat Chinese food, wear Chinese clothes, Speak some Chinese but this will never make me Chinese. How can a Chinese man come to Australia and all of a sudden he’s Australian? Get out of here.
      No, a lot of Australian culture is the history of its people.
      The writers, poets, artists and musicians. The adventurers and explorers. The scientiists, the politicians and philosophers. And all the legacies left by those who contributed the most or the most profound.
      A culture, no matter the country, is not about the way in which someone acts, or the image they project. A culture is imbedded in history, a history that this country needs to know. A history that needs to be taught, not just written and forgotten about.
      With the continual stream of immigrants arrive each year they not only bring themselves but they bring their own history. A history, according to “human rights” deserves to be known.
      And with each “hard luck sob story” an immigrant or asylum seeker has to tell about their reasons and journey traveling to Australia a little peice of Australia is forgotten.

      • ‘They see it as a red card to hold up against people when they feel that they are being treated unfairly.’

        perhaps they don’t ‘love’ playing it per se. However, the above statement you made intimates that ALL foreigners play it as a response to perceived unjustified treatment. and that is prejudicial.

        ‘It’s the fact that they don’t understand, or don’t fully understand the situation that they might be in and call the racial card prematurely. ‘

        this happens. yes, it does. but is this a trend? is every foreigner threatening to go equal commission on a white person’s ass because they cannot understand a situation in its entirety due to language or cultural barriers?

        ‘It has gotten to the point that for a white Australian to be proud of who they are is tantamount to being “racist”.’

        how so? flag waving and wrapping the australian flag around oneself is one thing, but being a yobbo and being a dipshit to minorities under the guise of ‘them gooks/chinks/curries/lebs are taking our jobs/culture/women/country’ is another. i see patriotism as something great, but bigotry shrouded under nationalism isnt.

        and this is a HUGE issue. if it were that bothersome as you say, every proud australian would be up in arms about it. but are they?

        ‘All three attributes that could be found in most all cultures around the world.’

        but especially emphasised in australian culture, such that even friendship and dependency and loyalty was brought under the umbrella of a uniquely australian phrase- ‘mateship’.

        ‘How can a Chinese man come to Australia and all of a sudden he’s Australian? Get out of here.’

        if he passes the citizenship test, then he’s a citizen and thus an australian, especially if he gets along well with the locals and assimilates and doesnt fuck around causing trouble. More so than those who were born here and bludge off the dole.

        ‘No, a lot of Australian culture is the history of its people.
        The writers, poets, artists and musicians. The adventurers and explorers. The scientiists, the politicians and philosophers. And all the legacies left by those who contributed the most or the most profound.
        A culture, no matter the country, is not about the way in which someone acts, or the image they project. A culture is imbedded in history, a history that this country needs to know. A history that needs to be taught, not just written and forgotten about.’

        then what about those white aussies who dont study history simply because they aren’t interested in it? by your understanding of how history contributes to culture, they are thus not australian.

        ‘With the continual stream of immigrants arrive each year they not only bring themselves but they bring their own history. A history, according to “human rights” deserves to be known.
        And with each “hard luck sob story” an immigrant or asylum seeker has to tell about their reasons and journey traveling to Australia a little peice of Australia is forgotten.’

        really? so you’re saying that ‘hard-luck sob stories’ directly contribute to the loss of australian culture? really? not apathy or the lack of self interest- two things that are endemic to human nature and not caused by immigration in any way?

        • ‘With the continual stream of immigrants arrive each year they not only bring themselves but they bring their own history. A history, according to “human rights” deserves to be known.
          And with each “hard luck sob story” an immigrant or asylum seeker has to tell about their reasons and journey traveling to Australia a little peice of Australia is forgotten.’

          and also, what’s wrong with that? integrate their stories and let australia’s record of humanitarianism shine bright. and how do those stories actually detract from australian history? i believe they add to it. no one’s gonna forget banjo paterson just because an afghani refugee arrives via boat.

        • You can call me prejudiced. That’s fine. It’s only natural.
          But I can tell you that in my thirty two years I have come across a form of racism that isn’t so blunt as to call me names and attempt to insult me with words.
          No, the form of racism I have recieved, as have a lot of whites I know, and some I don’t, is is and will continue to be a very destructive form of racism with segregation and exclusion of white people.
          White children won’t develop necessary social skills as they will be excluded from groups in school. (This happened to me as a child and is only getting worse within the public school sector.)
          There has already been investigations into various non-white run businesses that have a price difference for whites and non whites, favouring non-whites.
          Each non-white community that grows each year due to more immigrants splits white communities who are then labelled racist because they wish to keep their communities white.
          The race card is often used by non whites in various forms and one has to be alert as to what is happening.
          It’s not simply a form of “You’re being racist.”
          But after spending my entire life as a near minority in western Melbourne I can honestly say that the more non-white communities grow the more their racism grows toward whites. I’m not speaking out of fear, I’m speaking from experience. Another
          Another thing to consider would be the consideration that the Australian identity, having only formed parliament in 1901 has had little time to flourish and with the influx of immigrant cultures, various Australians feel as if their own culture is being suffocated some what. This then creates the “yobboism” behaviour that you have reffered to. I for one do not condone such behaviour, it has stained the reputation of all good, honest white Australians.
          But it is a concern of many that the Austrlian identity and the culture itself is being pidgeon-holed, catagorised with a few key features like “mateship”, a blanket term that covers a vast array of Australian behaviour. Being a good sportsman, larakinism, giving someone a fair go and a helping hand. These are only a small example but they can all be covered with the term “Mateship”. In fact the entire Australian culture can be blanketed with the term “Mateship”. Having a few drinks with mates, sports, camping and enjoying the Great Outdoors, live music, festivals, BBQ’s, etc, etc. and with examples like those nearly any culture could be covered with a blanket term like “Mateship.” It is, afterall, formed from the British word “mate” slang for “friend”.
          How can an immigrant who becomes a citizen be expected to become an Australian when there is no real strong Australian identity to behold?
          Well, with capitalism this identity has been distorted to mirror that throughout the world of a hard working consumer. A practical slave to capitalist masters. This is very un-Australian as instead an Australian would rather work hard to benefit themself, their community and their nation rather then a corporation who’s interest does not lie with each and every community that is under their influence.
          With multiculturalism the Australian identity is hit once more with having to accept each culture from around the world, having to allow them all to fill the spaces of each capital city and being pushed once again into the Outback. The capital cities of Australia aren’t Australian anymore, they are the capital cities of a capitalist world, with Chinatowns, Little Italy’s, Irish Pubs (Why do we need Irish pubs in Australia?) a growing African community and places of worship and places of education for the followers of Islam.
          This then creates a burdon on the education department as Australian History ceases to exist with the classrooms. (Or has that changed in the 14 years? Is there now a subject on Australian History? Can it be taken as an elective? A universatiy degree in history only covers seven units of Australian history of a sixteen unit cause. The major focus being on European History. And this certainly wasn’t around when I was at school) It’s not a matter of students not wanting to learn, it’s a matter of students not given the opportunity to learn about their own country’s history.
          No, instead they learn about European history and how the whites were the cause of all the problems of today. They also learn that every culture is rich in history of its own and should be respected at least.
          Don’t get me wrong, I tolerate all cultures. The further away that culture is the more tolerant I am.
          But this is the problem. With schools not teaching the students the history of Australia then they grow up with this pidgeon-holed, catergorised image of Australians, which can at times be rather negative with “beer-swilling yobbos” being at the top of the list of most negative Australian identities. Yet it’s the one most commonly known around the world, and because of that a lot of young Australians will graps onto it as their Australian identity. Because they have very little else.

        • 1. (for the third time)… How are white Australians comparably disadvantaged in our society when compared with the disadvantage experienced by women, Indigenous Australians, disabled Australians and first generation migrants?

          2. “With schools not teaching the students the history of Australia…”. Evidence please. Complete bullshit.

        • ‘This then creates a burdon on the education department as Australian History ceases to exist with the classrooms. (Or has that changed in the 14 years? Is there now a subject on Australian History? Can it be taken as an elective?’

          yes it can. not by many though. if i recall correctly, my school only had one timeslot devoted to the subject on the timetable because no one wanted to do it.

          ‘How can an immigrant who becomes a citizen be expected to become an Australian when there is no real strong Australian identity to behold?’

          i personally see australian identity as something cast iron, as a matter of fact. nowhere else in the world is there such a strong emphasis on fairness and loyalty- traits which i think reflect very well on the national psyche.

          ‘No, the form of racism I have recieved, as have a lot of whites I know, and some I don’t, is is and will continue to be a very destructive form of racism with segregation and exclusion of white people.’

          you may have experienced it as such, but i think it is due to simple human migratory patterns. as immigrants come, they buy property, often in suburbs where there are a significant concentration of people like them. and the majority of immigrants are poor, and will buy in suburbs that reflect their economic status- places like the north-west in melbourne- footscray, sunshine etc. and gradually as houses are snapped up, the suburb becomes more and more populated with people of immigrant descent. this is not racism, and can only be racist if the government has instituted lower buying prices for immigrants, which i doubt is happening at the moment. when my folks had to buy our house, we had to auction for it like everyone else.

          ‘Well, with capitalism this identity has been distorted to mirror that throughout the world of a hard working consumer. A practical slave to capitalist masters. This is very un-Australian as instead an Australian would rather work hard to benefit themself, their community and their nation rather then a corporation who’s interest does not lie with each and every community that is under their influence.’

          i see this as an over-generalisation. certainly not every aussie would be working for a corporation. if that were the case, we won’t have schoolteachers or doctors or volunteer workers or policemen or firemen or civil servants or lecturers.

          ‘With multiculturalism the Australian identity is hit once more with having to accept each culture from around the world, having to allow them all to fill the spaces of each capital city and being pushed once again into the Outback.’

          how is australian identity being pushed into the outback? australia is multicultural, and i believe that adds to its beauty, and is by no means a bad thing, unlike what scotty p would have you believe.

          my neighbours are white and greek and russian and asian, and my mates in uni cover the entirety of the ethnic spectrum, and i personally wouldnt have it any other way. i, and many other foreigners, coexist with white aussies, and they accept us, instead of just tolerating us.

          and it also goes both ways, i think. many migrants have made every effort to fit in, to assimilate, but we’ve never had the same courtesies paid to us. take chinese new year celebrations, for example. they are open to all, yet i’ve never seen many white australians partaking in the festivities.

          then somewhere down the line, they’ll turn around and point fingers at the immigrant community for being ‘exclusive’ and ‘unfriendly to white aussies’ when they themselves did not deign to participate, or to understand.

          multiculturalism works beautifully, and i can personally attest to this, having spent time in multicultural, vibrant countries like malaysia or singapore. but it can only work if everyone participates in it and takes it as a mutually beneficial experience, instead of quailing in fright at the other and raising walls at the slightest perceived threat to one’s culture.

          ‘australian culture’ is to me one that comprises many cultures, a first world, international society that incorporates many other cultures under a common flag and under common ideals. we do our share, and we certainly arent in the business of promulgating our culture at the expense of others.

        • If you don’t answer the questions, I have no desire to allow you to continue commenting at this blog. You will move beyond being assumed spam to confirmed spam.

          You came here, brought a sideshow of an argument that you couldn’t back up with any form of evidence, then turned yourself into a victim because you were called on your shit.

          Answer the questions or go and get fucked.

        • That was directed at Mindmadeup.
          I see how this reply system works not. Different for alot of forums. You can add that to your aresenal of things to mock me with, the fact I’m human and make mistakes.
          Thanks again Chris, for you civility.

        • I wouldn’t need to play the “victim card” if you didn’t cry about me “offending” you and then go dragging up my facebook profile like a slanderous school girl.
          So in effect you pulled the “victim card” to begin with!!
          You dumb hypocritical communist.

        • Every single comment you’ve made has consisted of ‘you were mean’, ‘you insulted me’, ‘waah’.
          You came here wanting to stir the pot with your unsubstantiated bullshit and assumed that nobody would oppose you? Fuck offski.

        • Alex, you have created your own drama, in which you are somehow a victim. There are absolutely no true facts in your little narrative. As someone whose entire immediate family works in the education system (including myself) this is particularly obvious.

          - Australian history is a compulsory subject at all schools, usually taken throughout primary school and at least in years 9 and 10 in high school. It’s part of the curriculum and every student takes it. It has been this way for years. It explores  Aboriginal  history until modern Australia. It is also a component in the senior Modern History elective.
          - I and everyone I know studied Banjo Patterson, Australian explorers and other aspects of Australian culture throughout my school years. We also considered the Australian Identity including terms such as mateship, underdog, digger etc and what these words mean to us and our identity. Australian idioms are part of the english course.
          - It is compulsory for students to study Australian texts (books, films, plays, paintings, poems) throughout every year in almost every relevant course.
          - The geography course looks at Australian weather patterns, land, ecosystems, environmental concerns and much more.
          - The focus is not on European history (far from it). Students study cultures from all over the world, with a focus on developing a broad understanding of history and their place within it. The only compulsory history is Australian.
          - Your claim that schools and unis teach that “whites were the cause of all the problems today” is just ridiculous.
          - With all of the above considered, one might ask, what more do you expect??
          - I’m not quite sure what you are on about with your point about the uni course. However, Australian History is on offer in (as far as I know) every university history faculty.  I studied Australian history at uni, some people choose to make it their major.
          - I see no evidence of white children being marginalized and never have. In fact, I see very little evidence of any children being marginalized due to race. It does happen, but it has not been a predominant part of the culture of any of the schools I have been in. Kids find plenty of l things to pick on each other about, but in my experience  schools have effective strategies in place to deal with this. However, I have never dealt with a complaint about racism towards an Anglo-Australian student (nor has anyone I know). I’m sorry that you may have been isolated due to race (if this is true), but you can hardly judge the entire system based on your isolated experience.
          - Your point about white children not developing social skills is just plain strange.
          - If people are labeling you racist so frequently (or “using the race card”) perhaps you need to consider that you may actually be the problem here.
          - Ditto for all those white people that you claim have been “forced into the country”. If they have to move because they can’t stand seeing other cultures, then that’s their problem (although I strongly doubt this actually happened to anyone other than you).

          I’m not sure why you have created this fantasy, but the sooner you can join the rest of us in reality, the more you can gain from all the diversity Australia offers.

        • You’re talking about a neducation system that has made vast improvements since I was in school.
          I was going off my own school experience and did not do any form of research for current schooling. Thankyou for correcting me.
          Thankyou for also being a patronising marxist. That was uncalled for.
          Honestly, if you don’t like someones point of veiw, if you don’t like someone’s opinion then why bother dealing with them if you can’t be completely genuine about it?
          Not only did you want to prove me wrong but you do so in an insulting manner.
          This is the whole entire point that I’m getting at.
          You call people on discrimination yet you discriminate against those who don’t deserve it at all.
          Like myself, I have simpley made my opinion known yet I get blatantly attacked for it. I’m not trying to make myself look a victim here, you have created the victim simply by how you have responded. You now being various members of these boards.
          Do you people not understand what civility means?
          Obviously not as you refuse to display any.

      • Dear Alex,
        Not every immigrant or foreigner is “non-white”. The majority of immigrants to this country are British or New Zealanders.
        Until you can realise and accept that fact you will just make yourself look even more retarded.
        Accusing people of playing the race/gender/disablrd card when they don’t get their own way is disgusting, trivialises the struggles that people who have been victims of discrimination have gone through and destroys any valid point that you might have had. Yes, it happens, but not to the extent that you would like to think and no sane person endorses it.

        Regards,

        Paddy_irish_girl…an immigrant.

        P.S – What possible information could you need to get from a page endorsing Hitler that would require you to ‘Like’ it and then not ‘unlike’ when you’re done? Poor excuse. Must try harder if you’re going to convince us you’re not an ignorant white supremicist.

  12. It seems I can’t reply to Chris’ last comment.
    Just wanted to thank Chris for his civilised handling of the conversation. Unlike the moderator of this board. Perhaps they could learn a little from Chris’ examlple instead of harping on and attempting to discredit people like a typical tabloid journalist.

  13. Alex Edwards, what a pathetic little man. He picks a fight then hasn’t got the guts to follow through (i.e., answer the question). He spends the next few thousand words trying to turn himself into a victim.

    Stupid, cowardly. Runaway now little boy…

    • “Answer the question or go and get fucked?”
      Wow, how blantantly rude from the moderator themselves.
      You would not last one second on the political stage.
      You are a piss poor excuse for a humanitarian, a title you would bestow upon yourself for your work against discrimination.
      The fact is, the moderator themself is disciminatory.
      I never picked a fight, you worhtless toad. I simply stated that rasicm isn’t simply committed by whites but it’s committed by members of the entire human race. You simply do not see that. You take my words out of context and at face value.
      I don’t have to answer your biased questions of which you already know the answer, you tabloid jounalists.
      Stupid and cowardly? Why? For voicing my own opinion?
      I have the right to the freedom of speech but obviously not on these boards as they are run by a bunch of cultural marxists.
      Stupid, yes. Stupid for thinking anyone here would hold a decent civilised conversation.
      I dare for even one of you to actually enter politics with your attitude the way it is.
      Good luck you rotten, slanderous, hypocritcal, obtuse, arrogant bunch of Communists.

      • Thankyou for further proving that all of your claims are complete fiction. Why can’t you back them up with facts? Because no such facts exists.

        • Who ever said I was right? I never proclaimed to be absolutely correct, no.
          I simply stated my own opinion based on my own life experiences. Fact.
          There was ample opportunity for anyone with half a brain and any sense of decency to say “Well, you’re actually wrong and if you just let me point it out to you …”
          But no. I was attacked straight off the bat, and if you have any knowledge of how media works, if this was in the media I would have won with sway of audience due to being discriminated against.
          Learned anything yet?
          Stop taking words at face value, attempt to understand where people are coming from and provide a decent, civilised conversation.

        • Learned anything yet?

          Yes, that you’re no different from the many who’ve come before you, to this very blog, with the very same argument, who have failed at justifying their positions and outlandish claims – before running away crying about being called stupid.

      • Still can’t answer the questions I see. Poor old Hitler lovin’ Alex Edwards. Talks about how white Australians are discriminated against but can’t find a single example. And can’t understand why he is mocked for bringing his bullshit to this blog.

        • “1. How are white Australians comparably disadvantaged in our society when compared with the disadvantage experienced by women, Indigenous Australians, disabled Australians and first generation migrants?”
          If you read any of my comments then you would know that in various areas of the western suburbs of Melbourne the discrimination against whites can, at times, be rather high.
          This is from personal experience.
          However there aren’t any statistics supporting racism against whites. But you already know this.

          2. “With schools not teaching the students the history of Australia…”.
          Again, personal experience. This may have changed within the last 15 years.

          Now, seeings as you continue to discriminate against my person and my Facebook profile, are you going to appolgise or are you going to continue to look like a hypocritical moron?
          How about you go through my entire profile and tell everyone here what else I like.
          Or are youi going to continue to look like a communist?
          I noticed you edited my other post. Great start to communism there.
          Or does offending other people mean nothing to you?
          It only counts when you’re offended yourself doesn’t it.
          Do something about the chip on your shoulder. The way in which you have treated me on these boards lends some credence to my argument.

        • “However there aren’t any statistics supporting racism against whites. But you already know this.”

          Duly noted. Thank you. Thus your argument is voided.

          ““With schools not teaching the students the history of Australia…”.
          Again, personal experience.”

          Sorry, personal experience is worth nothing in an objective debate.

          “Now, seeings as you continue to discriminate against my person and my Facebook profile, are you going to appolgise or are you going to continue to look like a hypocritical moron?”

          Your profile is there for anyone to see. I’m sure they can take more of a look if they so desire.

        • I’ve asked you to remove it. According to your disclaimer I at least have this “right”.
          Or will you continue to be a communist and revoke that right of mine also?
          You know, when/if people look at my profile to see if I like Adolf Hitler and it doesn’t show up on my profile you may be accused of photoshopping the screenshot.
          Also, if I decide to make the profile private then you may be accused of hacking my account.

      • Please define Communism Alex. Because the only one going around screaming about the evils of Capitalism is you! And gotta tell you, most of what you write would fit in with Marx, Stalin and Lenin.

        You hate Capitalism-so did they.
        You object to other cultures being in your country-so did Stalin and Lenin.

    • How childish.
      Honestly, I thought I was joining a place that had half-intelligent people that could hold a decent discussion.
      How wrong I was.
      I should have known. Typical left-wing ideologists.

      • Decent discussion? About how white Australians are discriminated against in a comparable way to Indigenous Australians, migrant Australians, females and those with disabilities?

        How can you have a discussion about something that has no factual basis from the very beginning?

      • Alex, you mention “left-wing ideologists” and “communists”, so in the context of the discussion above, would you mind explaining what you think is the difference between left and right wing?

        • So you first insult me, now you’re asking me to answer your questions? You have the same problem as mindmadeup.
          Not very tactful.
          Left wing: Support for social change
          Right wing: Support for more conservative values (this may include religious views but I prefer conservative science and technology, not capitalistic science and technology)
          Liberalist: Soft hand approach
          Authoritarian: Hard hand approach

          I could put more of an explaination but why bother? You’ve already cast me in a negative light by calling me a “pathetic little man”.
          See the sentences that I can string together? That’s the mark of intelligence. Sure, I might display ignorance for not doing any research and only going on personal experience. But if personal experience is enough for a non-white to make a claim of racism, why is not enough for a white? Intruiging.
          See how I have no need to insult you?
          Because you already provide the insult for me by the way in which you first approach the conversation.
          Good luck in life. With your shitty social skills you’re going to need it.

        • Ha ha “shitty social skills” and “needing luck in life”? I’m not the one writing reams to argue against strangers who have “insulted” me on the internet.

        • Sorry, laughing too loud i forget to mention: professing an admiration for Hitler sure alludes to great social skills and success in life.

        • No, you’re just a dirty little internet troll who pushes his internet nose into other peoples coversations just in order to insult them. Such a great thing to aspire to in life!
          And again with the Hitler.
          You do realise that he was an extraodinary politician who was very charismatic and had great social skills don’t you?
          Or do you really think he was the Devil that actually made lamps out of Jew bones?

        • You can put sentences together, but can’t support your wild claims with factual evidence.

          Thank you for admitting that you display ignorance. Couldn’t have said it better.

  14. In this comment section, a privileged white man, who likes Hitler complains that he can’t back up his arguments with evidence despite everyone who argues against him can.

    Because he knows his evidence doesn’t exist.

  15. Opinions don’t need factual evidence.
    I stated my opinion. Do you know what an opinion is? Basically it’s how someone feels in relation to a particular incident or subject and how they express it in words.
    I expressed my opinion. I don’t need facts to state my opinion. You could have ignored my opinion. You could have down played my opinion with some off-handed remark, you could have accepted my opinion and worded your argument with a little less hostility. Afterall, you’re the moderator. You’re not a very friendly one and this gives me the impression that you have a chip on your shoulder.
    You chose to attack me directly after you stated that you had taken offence to my opinion. That’s not my fault that you’re so easily offended, but bringing my Facebook profile into the argument and use 2 out of over 100 things I have chosen to like via Facebook against me is downright childish and something a disgruntled school girl would do. Heard of “The St Kilda Schoolgirl”? That’s your mentality.
    Let me tell you a few other things I like on Facebook since you don’t have the guts to look yourself.
    Joseph Stalin (Uh oh! A Communist!)
    Winston Churchill
    Alexander The Great
    Napoleon Bonaprte
    Julius Caeser
    and yes, Adolf Hitler. Honestly, who cares if I “like” Adolf Hitler on Facebook? Afterall, there’s no “hate” button now is there? Didn’t think of that did you. No. Just a typical left-wing authoritarian type attitude with a headlong attack in trying to slander me.
    Do you bother to look at who inspires me? I bet you don’t know who Vicengetorix is.
    People who inspire me:
    John F. Kennedy
    Thomas Paine (Do you know who he is?)
    Richard Dawkins
    Richard Wagner
    Beethoven
    Motzart
    Nick Xenophon
    and Kevin Rudd just to name a few.
    Why am I telling you this? To continue to point out that you’re a nasty little communist whose only defence is to throw insults and attempt to slander. And now you won’t even apologise.
    You do this because you don’t have the intelligence to try and educate people. That’s clear in your self-righteous attitude.
    Insulting someone new to your boards is against what you stand for. Unless of course they were intentionally offensive to begin with, of which I wasn’t. Yet I notice that you can’t help but to be insulting to more then a few. Infact I might even go so far as to say that this entire website was created in order to discriminate against everyone who’s opinion is right of centre, no matter how right wing they actually are.
    The name you have chosen for your whateveritisyouwannacallit.
    The Anti-Bogan.
    First this suggests to me that you don’t know what a bogan is.
    That’s ignorance. It’s a good thing that you chose the name “mindmadeup” but a better one would be “smallmindclosed”
    Second, this suggests that you believe everyone who is right-wing is a bogan.
    Well, I have met some very liberal bogans in my time. That’s more ignorance. It’s also discrimination against people with a right-wing point of view. It’s also discrimination against liberal bogans! Discrimination is against what you stand for making you a hypocrit.
    So therefore, in the very name you chose for what ever it is you want it to be called (A movement? A social group? whatever) in this very name you are both
    Hypocritical and Ignorant.
    At least I know when I’m being ignorant.

        • Oh – I missed it’s insulting nature. You write so many words, yet you don’t express yourself very well.

        • It’s actually in regards to the oppression of the right to freedom of speech that leftists like to employ by regarding anyone with a rightist point of view with purile garbage and nonsensical insults.
          That’s not a liberal attitude, it’s an authoritarian one.
          Left-wing authoritarian = communist.

        • So, in your books, if one speaks up against racial discrimination they’re a lefty? And racist = right wing?

        • Says the guy who hates Capitalism.

          Communism is not an insult. It’s an ideology. The fact that you use it like an insult shows you don’t actually know what the word means. It’s just something you’ve heard from somewhere else, and are repeating like a parrot.

    • “Opinions don’t need factual evidence.
      I stated my opinion. Do you know what an opinion is? Basically it’s how someone feels in relation to a particular incident or subject and how they express it in words.”

      Let’s take a look at a few choice quotes from your first post. You will quickly notice just how little it sounded like you were offering your opinion, and how rather it sounded as though you were making insulting, general and sweeping statements about entire groups of people:


      “The problem with ‘racism’ is that non-whites have no concept of actual racism. Just like most women have no actual concept of sexism and old people have no real concept of ageism.”

      “The problem is, when it comes to the issue of immigration most non-whites make no attempt”


      “No attempt to understand Australian culture in the absolute slightest; (except for sports and drinking but that’s hardly a ‘culture’ now is it)
      no attempt to understand the language (not just the English language but Australian proverbs and slang),
      no attempt to understand the concept of manners or personal space,
      no attempt to intergrate or assimilate into society at all, they just stick to their own with entire suburbs becoming dedicated to hosting various peoples from the same region. ie; all Asians, all Africans, all Muslims;, but they expect white people to intergrate with them. (No, actually the government and left-wing liberals want white people to intergrate with non-whites because they wish to make all whites feel guilty about the ‘plight’ of other peoples. “

      “No, non-whites make no attempt at any of these things and because of this, immigrants will constantly feel as if they are discriminated against because they don’t fit in”

      “The true Australian culture created by people like Henry Lawson and Banjo Paterson is slowly dying thanks to multiculturalism and a capitalist agenda of promoting a hedonistic lifestyle.”

      If you can’t see that each and every inflammatory comment you made in your maiden speech here at this forum sounded very much as though you were talking about fact, and ‘how it is’ (and not ‘how you see it’), then you are more stupid than first thought.

      There have been people like you coming here before. They get on with an enormous rant full of negative generalisations and sweeping statements that hold absolutely no fact whatsoever, and then discontinue from pursuing such a line when they are insulted (by being called full of shit). If you’re going to debate with adults you’ve pissed off you had better not be a fucking baby when it comes time to stand by your arguments.

    • “You do realise that he was an extraodinary politician who was very charismatic and had great social skills don’t you?”

      Alex, how great does a person’s social skills have to be for you to ignore the starting of one of the bloodiest wars in History, and locking and exterminating millions of people? Because, for me, I could have an orgasm at the sound of their voice, and I still wouldn’t be “liking” them!

      You do realise that a lot of Serial Killers are very charismatic also? It’s how they get their victims. Are you going to start about how great Ted Bundy is now?

      “Or do you really think he was the Devil that actually made lamps out of Jew bones?”

      What, you’re denying the Holocaust now? No wonder you have an aversion to proving your arguments-it’s the norm for you!

  16. I should really call you all capitalist socialists, because that’s more accurate.
    But that doesn’t have the same ring as “Damn Commies!”

    And yes, I’m a white Australian male. What could possibly go wrong for me?

  17. Yes, I know what socialism is (it concerns economics – not racial discrimination). Rather, I was asking how *you* intended it – you see you’re so confusing.

    So, while this page is about racial discrimination, you’re actually talking about economics? Or, perhaps talking from your “personal experience” only is kind of letting you down?

  18. Why did you click like on Hitler in the first place if you didn’t like him? You know how you show you don’t like something or someone on Facebook? By not clicking the like button.

    Didn’t think of that, didn’t you?

    Let me guess I’ll be called a communist, despite I live and work in a capitalist society which I am happily content with. As well pretty much anything else you can think of to label anyone who disagrees with you. You honestly don’t like the notion that someone can disagree with your opinions, at all. When your asked to back up your opinions with proof since you claim these are happening and are fact. You can’t, instead you go on long rambles and name calling but we all know, you got no answers, no proof, all bark, no bite.

    This whole comment section is filled with your pointless rambling because at the end of all this, we will never agree with you or you will have no any real impact on this website or the people who comment here.

    Its not about left or right, communism or capitalism. Its you. Its time to deal with there are people who disagree with you and will call you out.

    • I know people will call me out.
      I wanted people to call me out.
      But in a civilised manner. This place is as bad as the White Supremists forums except it’s at the other end of the scale.
      This is not about me and being able to handle people having an opposition to my views. I get that everyday.
      No, If you actually take a look at the comments toward me you might notice the hypocrisy of your statement.

      But not in an overly rude and discriminatory way. How many more times do I need to say it? I didn’t answer those questions because the person asking them was
      1) Called me offensive when I had no intention of being.
      2) Returned the favour of being offensive in a most childish manner by posting my Facebook profile without my authorisation of which you need even when the profile is made public. And yes, I’ll be looking into it from a legal point of view.
      3) Proceeded to belittle me over some things that I “liked” on my Facebook page yet makes no attempt to see what else I like on Facebook. Going to belittle me because I like 7th Heaven and Touched By An Angel too? What about liking The Simpsons?
      Discrediting someone in such a manner is gutter-politics at best. At worst it discredits yourself by lowering yourself to such standards.
      Why should I answer any questions from someone using intimidation methods?
      Trash. Absolute trash.
      This entire sight promotes discrimination against people who discriminate. That only encites even more hatred, well done.

      Why did I click “Like” on Adolf Hitler?
      I could tell you but you wouldn’t listen.

      • “I didn’t answer those questions because the person asking them was
        1) Called me offensive when I had no intention of being.”

        You made sweeping generalisations that portrayed non-white Australians in a negative way. You knew you were being offensive, and you cried ‘victim’ when you were called full of shit, basically.

        • You mean I “cried victim” when you treated me like shit because you took offence at what I had to say, essentially taking the victim’s stance yourself!
          Continue running a hate-fuelled website you insignificant piece of pocket lint.
          You’re doing a really good job.

        • I never cried victim. I called bullshit on your comments and I was right – you’ve been missing in action in regards to backing your comments up in any way – yet have been the busiest poster on this blog for the past week.

      • For all those wondering why Alex “likes” Hitler, here’s his explanation earlier:

        “You do realise that he was an extraodinary politician who was very charismatic and had great social skills don’t you?
        Or do you really think he was the Devil that actually made lamps out of Jew bones?”

        Hitler has great social skills will be your epitaph Alex.

    • “You know how you show you don’t like something or someone on Facebook? By not clicking the like button. “

      Yep – that’s why when I use Facebook, I don’t click ‘like’ on ‘Adolf Hitler’.

      Herp derp.

      • “Herp derp” ?
        What are you, still in high school?
        Real high intelligence you’re showing, hotshot!
        It’s good to know that this site is run by non-competence people like yourself who chose to wallow in hate.
        It hinders your progress, as liberals can’t progress they just self destruct. Communism implodes in on itself. Either way, you’re fucked.
        Good luck with all that, you hateful cunt.

        • Herp derp is meme speak. It’s the most modern form of Internet expression. I’m sorry you’re too busy making structural/grammatical/linguistic errors such as ‘non-competence people’, and ‘implodes in on itself’ to keep up.

  19. You’re not getting discriminated against. Did you ever consider that you just aren’t cool and no one actually likes you? Maybe its not because you’re white at all, maybe its because you are a real life troll.

    • Productive, like what? Posting 43 times here without even backing up a simplistic argument? Cry about being victimised by an administrator who’s had enough of unintelligent morons?

  20. You’ve posted Forty three times on this page and your telling us to do something productive?

    Maybe you should do something productive instead of spending so much time arguing with strangers on the internet. You know its not going to lead to anything do you?

    Or learn that calling people cunts doesn’t really get your point across or will stop the people who run this site from continuing to doing so. Your encouraging them and your embarrassing yourself.

    Stop complaining privilege white man.

  21. I wouldn’t hang out with you, that’s for sure. How would you know what my political views are? People are discriminating against you because YOU SUCK AT LIFE, not because of your color, religion, musical taste, or choice of fucking happy meal. You need to get over the fact that you can’t accept that maybe, just maybe, people just DON’T LIKE YOU. Arsewipe.

  22. I wonder if alex Edwards familycand employer knows he admires Adolf Hitler. Or whether he has posted 43 times arguing with “trolls” on the Internet. I bet his mum must be proud the way he uses the word “c***”.

  23. What a strange string of posts. If I’d finished my psych degree I’d probably have a name for Alex.

    Alas, the four brown skinned kids on the table next to me in the Library made me feel “discriminated against” so I had to quit.

    Then I found out they all lived together in the suburb next to mine – effectively cutting me off from my white friends two suburbs away.

    Then I found concrete evidence that their mere existence was undermining “Australian culture”. I was trying to remember the source, but someone offended me and now I’ve forgotten it.

    Then I joined a Neo Nazi party and people started calling me a racist. I love people from different countries (as long as they stay there).

    It’s okay though, because the people calling me names were just “dirty commies” – a catch-all insult I use for anyone who thinks it’s acceptable for a non-white to pass the gaze of white Australians.

    Then this “commie” implied that just because a non-white can get Australian Citizenship this somehow makes them “Australian”. Ridiculous, hug?

    I know I’m fine, but the rest of the world is f-ed.

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