Response to David Harrison
Here is the viral email that this dropkick sent around the Internet:
http://acrsl1.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/letter-sent-to-prime-minister-julia-gillard/
http://australianidentity.net/general-discussion/a-email-i-got/
And here is our reply:
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Dear David (Butch) Harrison,
I’d like to take this opportunity to reply on behalf of Prime Minister Julia Gillard, and also on behalf of all rational, intelligent Aussies who actually read through your brain hemorrhage of a letter.
You started your manifesto expressing your ‘concerns’ about ‘muslim (sic) asylum seekers/refugees/illegal immigrants’. In response:
a) An asylum seeker is a person who has fled their own country and applies to the government of another country for protection as a refugee.
According to the United Nations Convention and Protocol relating to the Status of Refugees (the Refugee Convention), a refugee is a person who is outside their own country and is unable or unwilling to return due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted because of their:
- race
- religion
- nationality
- membership of a particular social group
- political opinion.
The term ‘asylum seekers’ refers to all people who apply for refugee protection, whether or not they are officially determined to be refugees.
The vast majority of people seeking asylum in Australia arrive by plane:
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- 95% of asylum seekers arriving by boat are found to be genuine refugees
- Just 3441 asylum seekers were given refugee status in Australia last year, roughly 1% of the total migration program for that year.
- In comparison, around 50,000 people over-stayed their visa last year alone – mostly people with business, student or holiday visas
- Australia only accepts 1% of the world’s refugees
- At the current rate of refugee arrivals, it would take 20 years to fill the MCG
- It is not illegal to arrive in Australia seeking asylum.
Asylum seekers are coming from all over the world and are not just Muslims. And one of the main reasons that over 95% of sea-bound asylum seekers are found to be genuine refugees is because they are fleeing the very people you are afraid of, David. The real terrorists. Those who are, along with occupying forces, killing people and dictating inhumane laws and forcing people to flee their home countries at extreme risk to themselves and their families. People genuinely want to get away from that. And because Australia is a signatory onto the UNHCR 1951 Refugee Convention – asylum seekers and refugees are NOT ILLEGAL. It doesn’t matter if they are Muslim or Tamil or Hindu or Buddhist or Christian or Atheist or if they came by boat or by plane or by digging underneath the ground for thousands of kilometers – they are NOT illegal.
Now David, while I struggled to refrain from punching the computer screen in while reading your car-accident style discourse, I would like to express my gratitude for your services in Vietnam. And I don’t doubt for a minute that you don’t love your country. But neither of these are even close to being excuses for your extreme ignorance and lack of coherent reasoning.
You said you have posted your diatribe on the noticeboard at the Frankston RSL, and that you would post Prime Minister Gillard’s response. I certainly hope that my response rates the same level of publicity for the decent members of that RSL, as I’m sure there are a few people who find you to be a loud-mouthed bigot and merely nod their heads and agree with you whenever you open your gob, simply because they can’t be bothered entering into a debate with such an idiot.
You’ve said that Muslims in Australia want Islamic states and that they want to live under ‘their own laws and rules’. You’ve said that they are killing every man, woman, child and even baby that stands in their way.
Muslims have lived in Australia for over a century, and have made no substantial, observable, influential move to install any Islamic law, nor have any Muslim political parties or movements made any movements to undermine any democratic process or legislation in our country. After over a century of having the freedom to live in Australia, 41 years of which had uncapped immigration levels after the abandonment of the White Australia Policy, Muslims currently number at less than 3% of the Australian population, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).
As such, there have been many key figures who have stated their unjustified fear of Australian Muslims and insatiable desire for them to all be deported or killed, or at least stripped of Australian democratic rights, (Hanson, Jones, Hadley, Price, Bolt, Devine, Akerman, Bernardi, Howard, Costello and Barker to name a few), and yet none of them have been killed, nor have any of them faced anything more than criticism from the ranks of Australian Islamic groups.
You’ve used Dandenong as an example of a place in Australia where Muslims apparently dictate whether or not schools can celebrate Christmas and Easter. Yet after contacting Dandenong High School, Greenslopes Primary School, Dandenong West Pre-School, Emerson School, St Gerard’s Primary School, Yarraman Park Primary School, Dandenong North Pre-School, Dandenong Valley School, Heritage Pre-School, Mount Dandenong Primary School, Shalimar Park Pre-School, Mount Dandenong Pre-School and Dandenong South Pre-School, none said that they had banned Christmas decorations or songs, and none said that they had prevented or punished students or families wishing to participate in such events.
You then used the example of Coburg West Primary School’s decision to serve halal sausages at a welcome-back BBQ. What you failed to do was to contact the school for more details. And what you failed to mention was that only a few parents actually complained. One said this: “It’s not fair on my children that they can’t eat at the school.” What a load of garbage. Halal tastes exactly the same, and anyone can eat it. And while the xenophobes insist that halal meat is inhumanely prepared, the majority of us do our research. Why do you think there hasn’t been a nation-wide boycott of halal? After all, it’s only an option that is in place to be more inclusive to a mere 3% of our population.
And you continued with your bumbling rant: “Your Centre Link (sic) and other government departments are banning Christmas decorations…”. Well no, that’s just not true. What you might be referring to is the Department of Education memo that went out to all DET staff suggesting that they consider additional ways to celebrate the end of the school year, rather than just focus on Christmas. If you did your research, David, you would understand that this in no way constitutes a ‘ban’ on Christmas decorations.
At this point, it would have been easy for Gillard’s media representatives to dismiss you as a tin-foil-hat wearing lunatic, tossing your rambling letter into the recycling bin. But the halfway point of your brain-rape is no deterrent for me.
You continued, in your undoubtedly drunken stupor, to imply that Australia only accepts migrants from Northern Sudan, and not Southern Sudan, and that people from Northern Sudan have only come here to get pregnant and claim the baby bonus. Firstly, neither statement is true. Secondly, I reckon I could walk around your precious Frankston RSL and find at least a handful of blokes who have cleaned up a couple of paychecks from our Government simply by making deposits in their girlfriends’ clown-car vaginas. Generalising makes you look stupid, David.
You suggested that rather than act in a humanitarian way to asylum seekers, we should whack them on planes to return to their home countries, and to almost certain deaths. You say this because
- these people have only come here to bomb us, and;
we spend millions of dollars keeping them in detention.
Firstly, do you honestly think that a person is going to want to bomb a country that has opened its doors to them after they’ve fled a war-zone where their families were killed? Do you honestly think that a person is going to want to bomb a country that has provided them with decent healthcare, an education and the opportunity to earn a living and build a life? Do you honestly think that people are born with the desire to bomb countries in their DNA? And secondly, Australia accepted 3441 asylum seekers last year (which equates to roughly 1% of the world’s refugee intake). International flights cost around $400 – $1000 each. That’s a couple of million dollars spent on flying people around the world, when they could be living here in Australia, buying things from our shops, paying taxes to our Government, working in our economy and getting an education they wouldn’t have dreamed of back in their home country/s.
Did you know that Australia currently spends over $10 billion per year on border security? Ten years ago, Australia was spending around $1 billion per year. And all this to prevent 3000 asylum seekers. Not even enough to fill the Sydney Entertainment Centre. And you do realise we already have over 300,000 of those horrible Muslim terrorists living here, right? And they’ve been living here for ages! A large majority have been here before, during and after the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States. Yet none of them have got on trains or buses or planes in Australia and blown themselves up. With tensions the highest they’ve ever been, and the world’s attention given to them on a platter, not one of the 300,000+ Muslims in Australia can even be bothered setting off some fireworks in a shopping centre.
You asked what value Muslims added to Australia, and you added that they:
Don’t want to call Australia home – yes they do, and they do;
Don’t accept our Christian culture – well shucks, neither do I, as an atheist. And Australia is a secular country, which means that we have freedom of religion. In addition to that, many Muslims I know celebrate Christmas!
Don’t want to speak English – yes they do, it’s for their benefit. Research shows that the overwhelming majority of those who cannot speak English in Australia are first generation migrants (those who have arrived here and were not born here). And they are given free English lessons. And their children go through our education system where learning/knowing English is mandatory;
Don’t want to abide by our laws - the large majority of them do. And people from all backgrounds commit criminal acts in Australia. Not just Muslims;
Don’t want to integrate – well, the only ones who don’t want to probably feel completely shunned by people like yourself, David. The rest have no issue with living here and being a part of Australia’s multicultural society;
Don’t want to go to our schools – well they do. Even those who choose to go to Islamic schools are going to our schools. They are run within our education system, meaning that in regards to all subjects other than religion, they learn exactly what every other child in their state is learning. All children end up sitting the HSC, David;
Don’t want to play sport – ah that’s crap. Do you know how many kids I grew up with that idolised Hazem El Masri?
David – you said that you were watching the TV footage of the Queensland flood cleanup and didn’t see any Muslims or Sudanese people helping. Funny that, because Muslims and Sudanese people also lost their homes and properties during those floods. The waters didn’t part around their belongings, leaving them high and dry, no. The floods affected 3 out of every 4 Queenslanders. Of the 300,000+ Muslims living in Australia, only 5% of those are living in Queensland. So in Queensland, there are only about 15,000 – 20,000 Muslims. The Queensland Population Counter has the QLD population calculated at 4,579,210. So in Queensland, Muslims make up 0.32% of the entire population.
At this point of your raging tyrade, you demand questions of the Gillard government, so I’m not going to address them. But I’d encourage you to do your own research, as I found answers for eight of your twelve questions just by searching the Internet.
Finally, David, your Centrelink information that you tacked onto the bottom of your letter (after copy-pasting it from some tired, made-up email forward) is completely incorrect. You claimed that Aged Pensioners in Australia receive $16,068.00 per year, compared to ‘ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES’, who receive $56,680.00 per year. Wrong:
Myth: Refugees can receive social security payments simply because they are refugees.
Fact: A refugee who has permanent residency in Australia receives exactly the same social security benefit as any Australian-born person in the same circumstances. Refugees apply for social security through Centrelink like everyone else and are assessed for the different payment options in the same way as everyone else. There are no separate Centrelink allowances that one can receive simply by virtue of being a refugee, nor do refugees receive cash payments under either the Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy (IHSS) or the Settlement Grants Program (SGP).
Myth: A single refugee receives $1458 more per month than an age pensioner.
Fact: A single person applying for Special Benefit or the Newstart Allowance (whether or not he or she is a refugee) will receive $456 per fortnight, whereas a single person on an Age Pension payment will receive a fortnightly payment of $671.90. A single age pensioner therefore receives over $200 more per fortnight more than a single refugee (or a single Australian-born person) who qualifies for Special Benefit or Newstart – not $1458 per month less, as claimed in the first hoax email. Australian citizens and permanent residents with dependent children on lower to middle incomes (including refugees) may also be eligible to receive Family Tax Benefits or Parenting Payments, however none of these allowances are paid at a higher rate than the single age pension.
Myth: Refugees receive higher rates of payment under Centrelink programs than age pensioners or other Australians.
Fact: Centrelink payments are calculated at exactly the same rate for both refugees and non-refugees (for instance, a single Australian-born person and a single refugee on the Newstart allowance would both receive exactly the same fortnightly payment of $456). The hoax e-mail which claims that illegal immigrants and refugees receive higher rates of payment than age pensioners under a number of Centrelink programs, including the Partner Allowance and the Hardship Allowance, quotes figures which are grossly inaccurate. For instance, a single person on an Age Pension payment receives a fortnightly payment of $671.90, not $253 as claimed in the email, and the maximum payment for the Partner Allowance is $411.50, not $472.50.
Myth: Asylum seekers can receive Centrelink payments.
Fact: Asylum seekers are not entitled to the same forms of financial support as citizens or permanent residents. The Asylum Seeker Assistance (ASA) Scheme provides assistance to eligible asylum seekers who are in the process of having their refugee status determined. The ASA Scheme offers income support to cover basic living expenses, paid at 89 per cent of the Centrelink Special Benefit. This would equal approximately $405.84 per fortnight for a single asylum seeker – over $260 less than the single age pension.
Myth: Illegal immigrants can receive Centrelink payments.
Fact: In general, only Australian citizens and permanent residents can receive social security payments from Centrelink and illegal immigrants would certainly not be entitled to such support. It is also factually incorrect to refer to either refugees or asylum seekers as “illegal immigrants”. Recognised refugees in Australia by definition hold either a Refugee Visa or a Protection Visa, both of which entitle the holder to permanent residency. Asylum seekers – regardless of how they arrive in Australia – are permitted under Australian and international law to enter Australia for the purpose of seeking asylum, therefore asylum seekers have not broken any law and should not be referred to as illegal immigrants.
Statements about the hoax emails have been issued by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship and the Minister for Human Services. These statements can be viewed at the following URLs:
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/letters/letters09/le090507.htm
http://www.alp.org.au/media/0608/mshs180.php
Payment rates for the Age Pension can be viewed here:
http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/age_rates.htm
Payment rates for the Newstart Allowance can be viewed here (note that Special Benefit is usually calculated at the same rate as Newstart):
http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/newstart.htm
Payment rates for Family Tax Benefits and Parenting Payments can be viewed at the following URLs:
http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/ftb_a_rates.htm
http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/ftb_b_rates.htm
http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/parenting_rates.htm
Payment rates for the Partner Allowance can be viewed here:
http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/partner_rates.htm
Information on Hardship payments can be viewed here:
http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/publications/fis013.htm
Information on the IHSS, the SGP and the ASA Scheme can be found at the following URLs:
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/66ihss.htm
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/92funding.htm
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm
http://www.redcross.org.au/ourservices_aroundtheworld_tracingrefugeeservices_ASAS.htm
David, I’ve spent an hour of my life replying to your junk mail that I will never get back. People like you make me sick. You are ignorant, and the primary target of the sensationalist mainstream media. You have no clue about the world around you, and more specifically, minimal understanding about the country you live in. You are more happy to forward a few emails around, stoking the fires of bigotry and propaganda than you are to do your own research and form your own opinion. Just because you’re frightened of people who look different to you doesn’t give you the right to push bullshit like this around the cybersphere. Just because you are a war veteran doesn’t give you the right to shoot your mouth off like a drunken neanderthal.
If you’d like to reply to me directly, email me: theantibogan@gmail.com – or better yet – pop along to my website that I run with a few other people who hate racists like you:
holy cow…..that my dear friend has been the best reading I have done in 2 years….!! Thank you
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I’m so glad you took this one on. It had to be done the original letter by David was revolting. Well done!
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Seems like someone has collated all the misconceptions and bullshit that floats around the internet about asylum seekers into one dipshit letter. Even more hilarious is the commentor below (supposedly a French person) complaining that a person died from lack of hygiene eating from a fast food chain only serving halal. It just pisses me off when people OUTRIGHT LIE about stuff that happens to justify their bigotry.
What an absolute broadside!
The only good thing I can say about that email is that he can spell and use grammer.
That was probably MS Word……!!
Just for reference – the old mans email was full of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors!! So no, not even that part of the email/letter was good…
Anyone living close enough to the Frankston RSL club should print this out and put next to David’s letter on the noticeboard. after all he wanted a reply to his e-mail
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Nice one.
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Hit it out of the park. Holy shit.
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Very nicely done!
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Great response but I think that it’s wasted on the witless morons like David Harrison.
The only thing that I can fault is that Mount Dandenong Primary School is not actually in Dandenong but is in Mount Dandenong.
T.A.B. you are AWESOME!!!!
might I also add….Asylum seekers are put in detentions centres and basically forgotten about. They get angry and to get notice stage hunger strikes, suicide and arson. These people NEED to work not be locked up in a prison. Most often they still have family to support in their home countries that NEED food, water, clothing etc. and being locked up for 2 years is torturous. We need to be asking the government – Why does it take so long to process asylum seekers?
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Seeing this website consider me a Racist because I wrote to email that was forwarded to me in first place……
But tell you what when you and this website findout the reason, behind keeping people locked up for that time period and longer which is at your expense as Tax Payer please let me Know, people who are in jail for a crime dont wait that long to go before the courts…neither should Asylum seeker.
Also please at the same time findout the reason why people that are already here can take far longer to get there family member into Australia, because you see I know some family that have waited far more than 2 yrs and fact know some that had there applicantion cancelled because of Labor government changes in policy and have lost thousand of dollar in agent fee.
So for Man who is accused by this website as being a Racist.. please let know when you get your answer.. because I sure haven’t been able too.. all I ever got was government Bullsh…t
guess i should sign it the Racist pig that suppose to be…..
thank you…seriously the general government and community response to asylum seekers sickens me to the point of not being able to articulate my rage…now i have at hand an instant response.
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WORD. UP!. ….that was such an educated, articulated and in your face response. I could not have said it better myself…I got goosebumps…. Peace x
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Excellent work!
Cheers! Forward it to your friends. We need to make it viral..
Amazing. This is one of the best beatdowns I’ve ever read. What a champ. Thank you.
Cheers! Forward it to your friends. We need to make it viral.
Oh yer beatdown an ignorant old man… Success
Fuck oath. Had it coming.
Are David Douchebag and his mates who supposedly hate the Government so much going to return the $900 stimulus they received from the Rudd Government during the GFC?
No, didn’t think so…
wonder what Scott did with his $900 ?
Bravo. Very well written. How about sending it to open-pages in some newspapers or news websites? This needs to go viral.
Gosh that was silly, it sounded like a Scott rant, although admittedly with less capitals and….’s etc. Stoopid, the forced to eat halal meat thing is ridiculous, what do they think it is? Ever eaten a kebab? Good chance you’ve eaten halal then, Gah Good on ya TAB
I have the biggest morality boner for this submission!
lols posted your response to the first of those pages, lets see if it lasts
I cant believe that so many people fall for this type of abhorrent bullshit, its pure infectious hate that should be quarantined and treated with a large dose of real information until cured. Vile hate-filled people.
A response to the email, by Barry Fletcher (bdfletch@hotmail.com):
What a fucking idiot.
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“Dear ??? WHAT YOR NAME,
Like so many people who like to write and attack other people point of view whether it be correct or not you failed to sign it
unless I’m very much mistaken after reading your reply, you are more than welcome to correct me , but if you do reply
then suggect you sign your name rather than hide behind a website name..
Now firstly before you get all hot under collar and calling me a Pig Racist… let me pointout to you firstly am Vietnam Veteran
and take offence to making referance in your reply to him, as all the past and serving member of the armed force.. give you that freedom
to speak and write as you so wish, and they not only gave up there lives but carried the scares of war to day they die.. so please
in future dont make any form of referance to any servicemen, when you want to attack another person comments..
I’m sure already you thinking here another Racist, so let me pointout to you that Married to Beautiful asia women now for almost 30 yrs
I have 2 stepdaughter and we have two of our own, do you know they are all my daughter not daughter and stepdaughter, also
by first marriage one OF my daughter has children that are islanders… so pleaseee dont use that word Racist just because they speakout
about Muslin or other cultures.. oh might add i even have some gay friends and dont treat them any differant.
David Harrison, is free to express his opinion just as much as you have, his mistake is not doing his research in to all those issue that
mentioned, but in part he is correct.. yes here in australia Muslin have lived as proud australian as they have in UK and france etc…
Question is what do you really know about muslim culture outside of australia, and how you would be treated in there home country
you should first live in those countries and fully understand they have no respect for any other religion/ culture but there own
as for treatment of women… you should research that further as I have and spoken to Muslim women about why they cover there face etc
think you would be very surprised ….at your finding if you do some research.
Perhaps you should also look at how are they able to fund.. getting on boats being the little they earn in those country.. who do you think
funds them ??? I dont TRULY know , But i do know how the crimes and pimps etc got out Nam you should look around you.. what can tell you have
lived and travelled in Muslim countries…. as for sending people back.. yep agree with that 100%.. as to why because ther are just as many people in all of those country,
who are in the same situation and have also the god given right to come to Australian.. the differance is they wish to do it in a legal manner.. not illegal
manner and these people are prepared to brake our laws.. which means they have no respect for australia law….. I know already area that are more or less
controlled by sudanese and muslim and thats fact not fiction right here in australia its happening.
What I don’t want to see in australian in future is what happening UK ,france, holland, denmark, etc .. want my daughter to be safe to walk around the street
and for everybody to feel free to speak out and not be scared that they are going to be attacked by gang in future.. that we could now perhaps stop if we
stop worrying what the other countries think, this is our country and really dont care what the UN think etc … yes let people apply legally and come here legally
the rest get shipped back to where they came from…. to apply legally… as australia am tired of bending over and hearing these illegal people are in danger if they go back..
Enclosing, perhap think why did reply directly to you, it not because defending or even share anything he said.. my regret is he didn’t go and do research before he
wrote his email and perhaps you also need to first serve your country before get on your high horse and also live in those countries as I have and mixed within there
culture as far as I’m concerned every person can share his or her thoughs free’ly.
Like said if wish to reply directly to me, then sign it.. otherwise I will just delete as rubbish.. so freedom of speech is great… but everybody should have the guts to
sign it.. and if you think I’m Racist, THEN HAVE NOTHING BUT PITY FOR YOU .
Regards Barry fLETCHER”
Aaaaand the reply:
The Anti Bogan, to barry
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Hi there Feltch,
1. Signing my email off with a link to my website and not my real name does not retract from the points raised in the email. My response absolutely shit all over David’s original email and I don’t want people thinking I’m trying to take the credit for it.
2. You’re a Vietnam Veteran. Big fucking congratulations. I don’t give a shit. I am grateful for the work our diggers do, and have done, all over the world. It gives NONE of them the right to slag off their ignorant hatred in the public cybersphere.
3. Note: being married to ‘Beautiful (sic) asia (sic) women (sic)’ and having ‘islanders (sic)’ in the family doesn’t clear you of racism. Your logic (and use of the English language) are pathetic.
4. David Harrison is free to express his opinion, and people are free to oppose it and expose it for the shit that it is.
5. The email was about Australian Muslims – NOT countries where Islam is the only religion, nor was it about countries that are run by dictatorships, militia, terrorist organisations or corrupt inhumane governments.
6. Australian Muslims treat women with the utmost respect. And until you’ve met Muslims in another country, DON’T try and tar all Muslims with the same brush simply because there are some Muslim men who are antagonistically patriarchal. We have non-Muslim men like that in Australia as well…
7. The question isn’t how people get on the boats, but why. As for the how, they generally pool their resources (by selling off what they own), and generally are forced to leave their families (women and children) behind as they try to forge a new life in a new country before sending for them. That means that women and children are far more vulnerable in countries where asylum seekers are fleeing from.
8. Asylum seekers and refugees are NOT illegal in Australia, as Australia is a signatory on the 1951 UN Refugee Convention. How old are you anyway, Grandpa? How is that you’re this thick?
9. Yes. Sudanese people and Muslims live in Australia. Being Sudanese and/or Muslim doesn’t make a person more likely to be a criminal. Social, educational and economical factors dictate whether a person turns to crime or not. NOT their religion or ethnicity.
10. Your daughter might be raped by a drunken white Aussie one day. Careful how you generalise, dickhead. MEN rape women. MEN from all different kinds of backgrounds.
11. Delete this if you want. You can say it’s because I didn’t sign my name. But I’ll really know it’s because you lack the intelligence and the understanding to respond rationally.
See ya round, fuckwit.
Theantibogan
agree tab what a load of nonsense, i have the utmost respect for our diggers, its the idiots mouthing off racist bs that rile me. How dare those few that mar the rest who are decent people who have sacrificed loads for not just us aussies but for others to live in peace, they deserve to be pulled up and exposed for being racist horrible idiots.
bah so angered i made some funky errors.. walk away from the computer Jorji and take a good look around at the wonderful people who do not support racist crap
Enclosing [sic], perhap [sic] think why did reply directly to you, it [sic] not because defending or even share anything he said
In closing I think that Barry needs a good dose of reality combined with a large serving of common sense. Yes its hard to get every sentence right when your annoyed, but this entire reply is terrible.
Yes you are correct i replied directly to the person as a one on one Email, because I do not support Racism neither do like people dragging me as Vet into his or her point of view..thats what offended me and thats the reason it was sent as direct email. Do I care that it was posted.. no.. its just pity she did’nt post her full personnal reply…have to yet understand why people have to be so foul mouthed in one reply and unlady like, yes will not disagree my written english skill perhaps are not the best, but you know what .. I dont go putting other people down for any reason..I made sure my children all got good education which was something I wasn’t able to obtain during those school years… but yet I learnt a trade and was never out of work….
But if you think i support Racism.. then you are a fool because you dont have any idea what volunteer work that have been and currently involved in… The fact that mention about sending illegal refugee back by plane… does not say I support RACISM…… the word I used was ILLEGAL ok do you understand now
its ILLEGAL . aslo my remarks about Muslim was not directed here it was directed world wide, I do not like the way Muslin women are treated.. I have spent time, living in Muslim countries and to see the men walking around in pair of short and t’shirt and the women covered from head to toes in 100 degreE heat…greatly offend me… if you agree with that, then I’m sorry for you……….
Am also getting tired of the use of the word Racism ever timel somebody has something to say… Do i get offended by the remarks I’ve read Nooo,… but if you want to help change the world, come and join me sometime when I’m in asia helping as volunteer in outreach programs for the poor bulding school and houses… THEN COME BACK AND WRITE I SUPPORT RACISM.
Asylum seekers are not illegal you troll.
GEEEEEEEE your educated clown I say again ILLEGAL,so what is it you dont understand about the word ???? SO WHY DO YOU KEEP ADDING THE WORD … ASYLUM SEEKER ITS TWO WORDS IT NOT ILLEGALASYLUM ….. ….the trouble with you is your too mixed up in Racism and hate to know the differance… and if dont already know then not going to waste my time trying to tell you the differance OK…
you can call it illegal all you want, you can even say it in caps, however it is not illegal to seek asylum here. It is a pretty simple concept and one set up after rather horrifying circumstances, that we fought against. We signed up to the convention because its the right thing to do.
God forbid you ever have to flee anywhere or send your family overseas and rely on others compassion
please pointout where I said it was illegal to seek asylum in Australia by legal mean which very many people have and are proud australia now and there manymore around the world waiting to be settled in australia….
please dont bring up U.N Convention as I’ve read it, and just wish had it in front of me, because in fact there is part in that convention, that could just as easy send all of those boat people back if we as australia took it word for word…
as for your remarks.. God Forbid.. well you know what I’ve been and lived in those contries and seen with my own eyes.. have you ?, have you ever see person just shot because they where Muslin or christian….. just get it right I said illegal.. so what do you want to do if person found not to be refugee but is in fact a murderer etc and is
pretending to be Asylum seeker.. love to know your answer…. so you wont call that person Illegal
and you want him to remain ???
“please pointout where I said it was illegal to seek asylum in Australia ”
ok!
“I say again ILLEGAL,so what is it you dont understand about the word ????”
“so what do you want to do if person found not to be refugee but is in fact a murderer etc and is
pretending to be Asylum seeker.. love to know your answer…. so you wont call that person Illegal
and you want him to remain ???”
ok so your now asking about an asylum seeker who has had their claim assessed and failed to meet the test. They are still not illegal, they had every right to ask, but they have not met the rules and regulations so big surprise they are not accepted into the country, and are sent back, which is what happens now.
It would be great though if we could speed up the checks so that children, in particular but also everyone else, are not forced into these damaging situations for extended periods of time (and yes I have seen what this does to children and it is NOT humane and we will have to provide an awful lot of very expensive counselling to try and mitigate that damage)
you still haven’t answered the question though: what would you do if you had to flee? would you wait in some imaginary line or would you do anything to save any one of your family members?
jorji read your reply, we agree on some points yes why does it take the government so long and yes young children are exposed to all kinds of danger while being locked up so what are you doing to help change that…… why not go to places where you can help change things and quality of live, I do.
.now you say person who doesn’t meet all the requirement as asylum seeker is not illegal, then what is he or she ?? as people who are overstaying there visa are classed as illegal.. … sorry you cant have it both way… you asked what I would do if had to flee my country, welll just like many other I would flee to refugee camp under protection of the U.N… do you really think that these people that come her by boat and paid the amount of money they pay not only to get on the boat but all the other money they have to pay under the table to be allowed to pass though countries to get to point they can get on boat are all really and truly Asylum seekers , those people are the one I’m more concerned about.. the really true refugee or Asylum seeker be lucky to have any funds to get on boat… As i said before we have alot of Asylum seeker in australia now that have passed though refugee camps under the control of the U.N. etc and might add are now good australian… so let not get the two issue confused… am sorry I just dont believe a person who get on boat, has more rights to jump in front of those refugee in camps overseas, as they also risked there lives etc….. like said we agree on some point and other we don’t and do you know what that what make our country great… one has the right to share one opinion without the risk of being shoot or locked up…. am sorry will never agree to opening the flood gate to people just because they got to our shore by boat ahead of those in refugee camps all around the world who also risked there lifes.. As hard and as cruel as it may sound, if only a few of these boat load of people where put on plane soon as they land and taken back to there country or one close bye that has a refugee camp.. it would’nt take very long to put stop to these people that get rich outof boat trade.. its only because we are australian we dont.
Fuck you’re an idiot Barry.
wowwwwwwwww So you once again are showing you are not a lady what pity.. so that the best you can do… so you spent years getting a degree just to learn to say that wowwwwwwww get life and stop hating everybody that doesn’t agree fully with you…
Me Racist what Rubbish, Im starting to think you are one in differant Form and wonder which is the more dangerous, you or them…
I personally don’t know any Vietnam Vets, 2 of my grandparents died before I was one & the other two weren’t in the military.
But I’ve read two e-mails written by two different Vietnam Vets & if that is an indication to go by? Vietnam Vets didn’t seem to have needed any decent literacy skills.
David was articulate & showed some prowess in constructing sentences, but Barry Fletcher? OMG! I can’t understand half of what he was trying to say.
I sincerely hope this isn’t an indication of most Vietnam and/or other war veterans
Perhaps they were conscripts?
ahaha wtf is with these bigots and their ‘asia lady’!?
Well done barry, ,as many people have stated, it is not illegal to seek asylum in Australia, however it is illeagal to arrive by people smugglers.
However, I now post the from UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION AND PROTOCOLS RELATING TO THE STATUS OF REFUGEES 1967
“Article 31
Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.”
Now I refer to the word “DIRECTLY” these boat arrivals do not arrive directly from their original country they leave from Indonesia and thus not “coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened” and therefore they breach Article 31 and therefore are not refugees.
have you seen the shit conditions in indonesia? wouldnt their freedom thus be contravened? wouldnt then they have good cause to escape?
also, that quote you lifted says nothing about people smugglers.
Chris, True, it doesnt say anything about people smugglers, and i also agree that “boat people” are a small minority of “asylum seekers”.
most of the asylum seekers come by plane, and therefore have idenity documents.
Under Australian Law, people smuggling is a criminal act, also, helping someone commit the offence is an offence in it self paying someone to commit the offence is treated as though you have commited the offence yourself.
for instance, paying a hitman to kill someone, the hitman can be charged with murder so can the person that paid them.
So
People smugglers are and should be charged with people smuggling, then the people that commission the people smugglers to smuggle them should also be charged with the same offence.
If they did not pay the people smugglers, then no offence has been committed, as others have said, it is not illegal to seek asylum but it is illegal to use people smugglers to do it
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/AsylumFacts.pdf
wrong. note pages 2 and 3.
“The UNHCR emphasises that a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution should be viewed as a refugee and not be labelled an ‘illegal immigrant’ as the very nature of persecution means that their only means of escape may be via illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.”
note ‘illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.’. therefore, arriving by boat is not a crime, if their refugee status is verified. unhcr says it, the australian parliament supports it.
‘There is no offence under Australian law that criminalises the act of arriving in Australia or the seeking of asylum without a valid visa.’
similarly, this states that arriving with no documents is not a crime.
‘for instance, paying a hitman to kill someone, the hitman can be charged with murder so can the person that paid them.’
i highly doubt a refugee fleeing for his life using any means necessary can be compared to someone placing a hit.
‘it is not illegal to seek asylum but it is illegal to use people smugglers to do it’
according to the document i have provided, not so.
also note pages 8 and 10, which state respectively that
‘Past figures show that between 70 and 97 per cent of asylum seekers arriving by boat at different times have been found to be refugees and granted protection either in Australia or in another country.’
and
‘asylum claims from people who enter Australia by air on a valid visa and subsequently apply for asylum have not had such high success rates and the majority are not found to be refugees. This is demonstrated by the lower protection visa grant rates for non-IMAs (air arrivals) of around 40
per cent annually.’
simply put, this means that boat people, using people smugglers or not, are actually more likely than legal asylum seekers to be genuine refugees.
Being a war veteran or having vets in your family doesn’t make your opinion more or less valid. For what it’s worth, I have three in mine and none of them are or were racist fucks like the fucktard you’ve responded to.
I agree with this. My Granddad fought in WWII but some of his views were extremely racist.
I think the Vietnam War argument is just rubbish, if you don’t want asylum seekers here, its best not to mention that you participated in the war which pretty much introduced the idea of asylum seekers…
Kenny, thanks guess that really the point was trying to make along with a few other, as vet
just dont like being dragged into somebody views whether you are the founder or the person answering.
my email was sent to the author of the reply to david harrison ,being she had given what I considered private email address and far as I was concerned it was private, the fact she posted it on her website does not disturb me, other the fact she did not also publisher all her most colourful replys via the same emails address….other thing that also disturb me, is the hate this person has inside for anybody that may not share her views and that clearly came out in her replies.. Part of one of her replies was Racist remark which was directed at my wife, so for somebody that speaks out again’st Racism make me wonder
so perhap should make this point very clear… I said ILLEGAL should be sent back asap I did not say asylum seeker should be sent back as there many asylum seeeker waiting all over the world to come to Australia and who are coming here legally and will make good Australia ….. ..i SAID ILLEGAL that also mean if your do or have broken austraila LAWS and to be found illegal, then as far as I’m concerned you get free flight to your country.
my remark about Muslim women, is statement of fact, I do not like the way they are treated around the world under the name of religion..neither do I like how the very rich in those poorer country treat the poor and less educated….. so you see I may not have got the education that I would have liked, but I sure dont go putting other people down because of it…. the thing that I have is degree in life.. what I seen and done in my life did not come out of books along with the respect I have for people way of life etc….
Also for your imformation and the reader of this website, you find a hell of us veterans and none veteran alike, doing things in other parts of the world helping the poorer people to better the quality of life and I also happen to be one of them iinvolved ………. its your god given right to think I support Racism.. that is your opinion without knowing anything about me………… so suggest do your own research and dont be spoon feed by this website or anybody else for that matter……….
Response from ‘Glenn Anderson’ (toprank_mt_racing@hotmail.com):
hey FUCK OFF, with your left wing dogooder ethnic lover bull shit you fukn cunts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am 4th gen white aussie and i am RACIST!!!!!!,so dont fukn email me with your ethnic loving bull shit filth you fucker!!!!!
you,labor/greens are fukn filth,go and invite the illeagal refugee scavenger filth invaders to your fukn home ass wipe,we white aussies dont want our country mass invaded with third world scum immigrant ethnics,refugees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEATH TO LEFT WING TRAITER SOCILIST DOGOODERS AND THIRD WORLD ETHNIC IMMIGRANT INVADERS TRYING TO DESTROY OUR CULTURE,IDENTITY,HERITAGE AND OUR GREAT LAND,
GO TO FUKN HELL YOU ETHNIC SCUM LOVERS,YOU REPLY TO THIS I PROMISE TO HUNT YOU DOWN AND FUKN KICK YOUR TEETH CUNT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can I reply to him on your behalf?
I need my wisdom teeth out & it is going to cost me $2000+
If the aforementioned fuck-tard could just kick my teeth that is a saving of $2000+
Go for it…
And he continues…
“COME AND SAY THIS TO MY FACE M FUCKER,I WILL TEAR YOU APART AND MAKE YOU SPIT YOUR FUKN TEETH OUT CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WEAK FUKN ETHNIC LOVING DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “
Hah. This guy loves the CAPS even more than Scott. You can just feel that rage XD.
Do you have his address? If so I could pay him a visit and see if he’s as brave in person as he wants us to believe.
HAHA do people not realise that they are making themselves looks ridiculously stupid with empty threats like the ones he made?
Raaaaage!
Don’t forget to show his ranting replies!
Apparently his name his glenn. I wonder whether he will come here to attempt to defend his views.
when I sent him an email pointing out that modern Australia is multicultural I got this pleasant reply:
“how about you cunt,FUCK OFF left wing traiter dogooder ethnic lover,fuck off scum!!!!!
your a traiter,real pro white aussies do not accept multi cunt ralism you fukn fool,
what do you think multicultralism is??= RACISM against us whites the host nation,we have our own culture here,so go fuck your self dog!!!
dont fukn email me with your left way ward scum idiolgies you fuck head!!!!
NOW FUCK OFF………………………………….”
Charming fellow.
This one is a keeper
Look who he is mates with?
I think the authorities needs to be alerted on this one, concerning security of others, not just sanity’s sake.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0e301b8c6d.jpg
This er… ‘thing’ belongs in an asylum. I’ve never seen such a striking example of sociopathic behaviour.
What the hell?
“southern cross soldiers”?
Oh and Nazi tattoos, of to a good start.
You’re not wrong about alerting the cops. And maybe the mental health people as well. At least Scott didn’t seem to have Nazi tattoos.
Also should we point out that Australia and England (the two countries he claims to love) fought against the Nazis?
He must be fighting the babes off with a stick.
Funny thing about multiculturalism in Australia;
When Captain Arthur Phillip arrived with the first fleet, he brought with his entourage six different languages, the first fleeters were multicultural. The people they met on arrival, the Aborigines, nationally, spoke more than 300 languages, they also were multicultural.
Ever since then people have been coming to Australia from different language speaking origins. So what do we have here?
AUSTRALIA: always was and always will be,,, A MULTICULTURAL COUNTY.
My father is from an English background and my mother is of Welsh but she was born in Canada and I speak English, Pigin English and Spanish,,, Hell I’m a wog !!!
How many of these so called, proud white Australians, know that there is many more than one, (English) languge spoken in England, therefore England is multicultural as well?
Here is the bnest kicker of all,
Scientific studies, using mitochondrial DNA, have shown that, no matter where in the world a person may now live or think they came from, ALL humans originated in East Ethiopia around 200,000 years ago, we were all black once. Now I am a proud white Australian but for some reason, when I learnt that about our origins, I felt even prouder. Go Figure!!
Oh he makes me swoon with pure delight! what a prince charming! which a well spoken pillar of society! please can i keep him?
now back to reality, what a vile reprehensible piece of work. Hope he gets some trouble for posting such aggressive racist shit.
note to self this time is too late to post .. at least post with coherence, noticed the error as soon as I had submitted oh for a edit button, but i understand why there isn’t one
I think I would be offended by what Glenn wrote if I could only understand it.
Here is Glenn’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000672772877
Note the Swastika tatts.
Fucking lol.
“England is my country…..English laws and way of life,, don’t like it fuck off!!!!” feel free to go back there then…
Bogans are funny.
That facebook link does not work,, I just tried it.
Ken
Glenn Anderson…..you are a knucklehead big fella!
Do not claim to be an Australian whilst displaying Nazi regalia.
60 years ago, this country would have shot you as a Nazi, as an enemy of this great Nation. You are one angry disrespectful POS.
Mike
I love your writing, but for the love of god, please change your background to a block colour, or at least put a text box behind it (a la the comments).
I got a reply from Barry
Thanks Mr john evans,
Really I wasn’t aware of that so we’ve been Multicultural for 40yrs and here was think it went back
lot further how stupid of me to be thinking it went back further than 40yrs….. so before you go running
of at mouth by….. say want to drop your Racism… you know nothing of my background, other that perhaps
what you may have read on website.. which I have now discovered after being supporter of it, is full of nothing
but Hate… and has most likely been edited what was reply to something I received as email.. just like I’m doing now..,
So I strongly suggest, before you go running off, telling a person about Racism you go and do your own research
and dont follow brainless sheep.. just for your information…. I spend alot of my time abroad in my wife country
now beiing involved in helping with Medical and dental outreach programs and building of school and homes
for the Poor along with other things… so kindly keep you remarks about Racism to yourself.. it everybody God
give right in this country to the freedom of speech… whether we agree with it or not.. just as I respect your right
to send me email.. without knowing anything about me or my background.. you don’t even know whether I’m white
black brown or yellow…… really am getting tired of people using this word RACISM think it getting far over used.
what ever happened to people in this country having something to say, without this word Racism coming back at
them…. you know what it doesn’t offend me, if coloured person or asia or even if muslin tell me he doesn’t like christian
and so on .. because I respect that person right of free speech…background and culture.
So if you have any further point you perhap would like to bring to my attention or further this email debate then more
than happy.. otherwise thank you and trust you had great easter.
Cheers Bazz
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Being you sent me a emai to my private email address and kindly answered it in the same manner, as to how you got my personnal email address is most interesting Question… it really doesn’t worry me that you took it upon yourself to post my private reply on this website… what I will say to you and the person that has passed on my private email address to you or though this website who may wish to pass it on to anybody else, is be very careful of privacy act it just might come and bite you on the arse….
Because you see the email I sent and was later posted on this website, that made you send your email in first place was also what i though was private email in answer to that email the person gave her email address at bottom of reply to Mr Harrison which was forwarde to me…. why people have jumped on the band wagon, about something that was a one on one point of view is beyond me and really had nothing to do with Racism,
I am far far away from being Racist.. if and say if it really was in my nature and that how I got my kicks out of life ,how much fun I could have on this website……. ME RACIST WHAT RUBBISH.
Usually this site doesn’t worry me too much; it usually features uninformed and ignorant people using abhorrent spelling and grammar to make up ridiculous stories or threatening violence toward Australia’s Muslim community or other groups they feel have wronged them in some way.
However, the original email by Mr. ‘Butch’ Harrison and the following from fellow Viet Nam War veterans just saddens me immensely; not just the fact that they wildly misinformed (willfully or not), but that they have such hatred and vitriol towards people.
This kind of blind hatred and anger toward people, regardless of what they’ve done, can’t be healthy and must impact their lives, consume their behaviour. Not only that, but it ignores basic logic; there is nice and bad Muslims just as their is nice and bad Aboriginals or nice or bad white Australian, because your race, religious beliefs, sexual preference or even hair colour doesn’t define you as a person.
Do we know for sure that this Dave Harrison is actually a Vietnam veteran?
I tend to think your respondent Fletcher may well be. At least he seems to have used his real identity. However being a Vietnam vet does not give you an elevated status to discuss anything except events in the particular theatre of war in which you served and in which you were personally involved.
My reason for casting doubt on Harrison’s credentials is that he has recycled all the tired old crap that has constituted Internet myths and viral e mails on the subject of asylum seekers, refugees and all the other target groups of xenophobes. And you recall that fringe groups like the APP tends to attract dodgy characters who are not what they appear to be.
Josh, just read your comments, yes I was and yes if have something to say I dont hide behind a false name whether it good or bad english or whether my view point will offend… you will also find have replied to few other people comments…read them.. then decide if Racist
Which I also considered worth answering, if somebody has a viewpoint of there own and wish share it… then do it as private person,, dont brag other people into it and I dont care whether your Vet, doctor , reporter and media etc…. just share your views and leave the rest of us out….
If you where to take note, my reply to Harrison comments where in fact not sent to this website, it was send to what though was private email address.. its is publisher of this website which is also one in the same.. desired to get some kind of mileage out of posting it on her Website… if your wondering how know it women. she made it very clear in one of her private and colourful replies, which she did not also publisher on this website…… you see that the beauty of being able to control what you place in your own website.. tell you what told her and that is I really do pity her ..
Barry I don’t reckon you are racist. I do think you have got the wrong end of the stick on some of your ideas though. For example the illegal immigrant thing. It’s not illegal for people to come on boats seeking asylum. At no stage are these people breaking international or Australian law. But you obviously view them as illegal and this view forms the basis of your antipathy towards them. So if you weren’t so angry about them being “illegal”, which they are not, then you may have more sympathy towards them and not see them as trying to become Australian by illegal means.
Also, you have some views that I think you have accepted by listening to other people speak without realising some of those other people (perhaps people you respect) nevertheless have a poor understanding of what’s really happening in society. We are not being overrun by immigrants, we are not in danger of being mugged by them or our daughters being raped by them, atleast no more or less so than we are by white australian muggers, rapists. You see, when you take the time to assess the facts and actually look into the statistics, it’s blatantly obvious that there is no immigrant problem in Australia. There is nothing to fear. Our lifestyle is not about to be changed and Muslim is not about to be forced on anyone. We are safe and secure and have a great lifestyle, and should sit back enjoy it and stop worrying about things so much.
I wish you the best of luck Barry, and sincerely believe you are a wonderful Australian, you obviously have a big heart.
Could someone please post this response at the RSL he frequents?
I’d like to see his (and the other patrons) reactions.
Damn the media and all their intolerant vomit they are spewing out to ignorant people!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Frankston-RSL/125181207553236?sk=info
It’s on their main page, thankfully.
http://www.frankstonrsl.com.au/
I am so relieved to see some sense being sent back to this narrow minded idiot.
I felt sick reading his horrible and ill informed forwarded e-mail.
Thankyou for providing an answer to him & all of those who forward this rubbish on.
I have sent the link to this post to the person who forwarded me the e-mail, I can only hope that they read your reply and start to become properly informed.
oh no he didn’t!
Just received this e-mail myself from some well meaning, but ill informed followers of Andrew Bolt (Australia’s answer to Glenn Beck). Great reply to it !
Agree with him or not, he is a war vet. He may come across as ignorant but if you note he is simply worried about his country. He may be right he may be wrong. If you feel you can point him in the right direction, do so. But don’t do it in a condescending manner designed to try and degrade him.
Thanks Kylie. We will condescend to anyone who tries to push an unfounded racist agenda. And those who support them.
the fact that he says he is a war veteran is irrelevent.
To the author of this letter David Harrison
First of all I would like to apologize to my friends and of Anglosaxon and Scotish decent whom this may offend The rest can go fuck themselves
David,
this is averry offencive email and verry prejudice towards muslims. Not all muslims are dole bludgers, inbred, cheats and terrorists the same way not all european people are dole bludgers, theives and taking the jobs of anglo saxon born australians. In this letter you are insinuating that all imigrants are welfare cheats, bludgers, terrorists, dont want to integrate, dont want to abide by our laws, etc as stated in this letter. I can name at leaste 3 welfare cheats and theives who are Australian born, anglo saxon and scotish background but I dont hear you bitching about them. Donot under-estimate the value, culture and contribution that migrants make to a country and donot forget the humanitarian factors which are at stake here when dealing with refugees. Illegal imigrants do pose a threat to any country they enter and I agree that there needs to be restrictions on who is allowed and what volume but having read this letter I feel personally victimized being of non english speaking background (Greek Australian). Imigrants are easy targets for racists that like to spread hate.
This is not the only time racists in Australia have shown their ugly faces. Take the Cronula Riots for example. A simple protest against violence towards lifegauards escalated into a racist riot towards anyone of non anglo saxon background on the 4th of December 2005. SMS and emails were circulated stating “its a Leb and Wog bashing day” by groups of Anglo saxon and scotish decent. Instead of finding the persons responsible anyone of non anglo appearance were targeted. Persons were injured and property damaged and it even was stated that cronula was off limits for persons of non anglo appearance. They can stick that up their arse, its every australians beach no matter what your background. It was never actualy clear as to what was said between both parties of this national disgrace.
There is nothing wrong with a child learning another language other than english, it is healthy to know what their background is and their ancestry. What you fail to realise is that anglo saxons spoke english before they came here but no-one of non english background bitches about how Australians of anglo saxon or scotish decent dont learn languages other than english. The hypocrysi of this is that the english language is made up of many different languages including greek In a typical English dictionary of 80,000 words, which corresponds very roughly to the vocabulary of an educated English speaker, about 5% of the words are borrowed from Greek directly, and about 25% indirectly (if we count modern coinages from Greek roots as Greek).My parents migrated here through the appropriate avenues at the time and they worked hard to make a home here. They raised three children who also work and are tax payers and are making their life here, even though sometimes I wonder why looking at some of this prejudice towards us. Sometimes I feel I have no country. Whenever we argue the point we are told if we dont like it go home, while living here we are called wogs, when we go back to greece we are called skips. So where the hell is our country then and why the fuck does anyone think they have any fucken right to say that we are not Australians and that this is not our home ?
So why after all these years my pearants who worked and paid taxes shouldn’t I as an Australian not be entitled to public housing, welfare or any government assistance if I am down on my luck ? I gave the best fucken years of my life in service of my country and is this the fucken thanks I get ? My pearants left their home in greece to come here and make a better life, they sacrificed everything and left their home to start a new life along side people who secretly dispize them. They never took holidays, never bought a new car and worked so hard they injured themselves only to find that as soon as they needed some help they were automatically acused of stealing welfare. My father has two slipped discs and my mother has carpel tunnel syndrome in both wrists from over work. When they claimed disability as they were no-longer able to work as they were in agonizing pain my fathers peranent disablment payment which he was entitled to was withheld and after a lengthy court battle was denied. Justice my arse… Prejudice is what it is, just another wog welfare cheat ay ?
When my house flooded in Goulburn I can’t count even one that came around and help me rebuild it from anglo saxon background. One was of scotish background and the other was of german background. Why ? because I was a dirty wog and didnt deserve it, as if I didnt work hard to buy it and swallow shit every day for it. Typical prejudice. I expect nothing less from so many racists. So you expect me to help the same people who in my life made it extremely difficult and unpleasant you must be joking right
The same arguments expressed in this letter were also expressed towards imigrants of european background. We were called wogs, faced violence from others during school and outside, were discriminated against and excluded from many activities by pears and even to this day I am still not considered an Australian by most anglo saxons. Shit, the same friend I grew up with two doors down from my home invited my friend from Newzealand to his wedding but not me two doors up. He was of scotish backgound.
My contribution to Australia through hard work dosent require recognition as this is my home just like yours and will protect it to the death but dont expect me to folow the riddicuous propoganda governments put forward and see me invading another country in the endless pursuite of oil because right now thats what is happening. Men, women, children and entire famiies are being opressed and killed all in the name of this “So Called War On Terror” and strangely enough all the countries that are being attacked are rich in fucking oil deposits. Co-incidence, I think not ! One of the ugly faces of Capitalism, fuck everyone as long as I am allright jack…
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A perfect example of this sort of propoganda was the way Osama was killed. An un-armed person and his wife were shot dead because the soldiers felt threatened. This operation was rehearsed for some time acording to officials. How does a soldier feel threatened by someone un-armed cowaring in a bunker and why wasnt this man brought to trial to face justice. Its all a smoke screen to hide the truth, the American government had too much to hide by putting him on trial and too many dirty secrets they dont want to public to know.
Want another one, fuck ya here you go, Sadam Husein, executed for crimes against humanity… He was executed by the same government that apointed him. Fucken Hypocrits, you put him there in the first place to do your bidding which he did, Why, because once again he was a scapegoat for a government gone mad. No public trial, no eividence published for the public to see just once again another smoke screen.
Not only are we being lied to about the reasons for the wars we are also being gouged at the petrol pump and the hypocrisy of the Australian of anglo saxon and scotish public over looking the humanitarian cost of what is being done makes me sick. The same public is now claiming that muslims are a problem and all imigrants are a problem. Who fucking made the problems in the first place do you think, the same cunts ranting aboiut them in the first place. Just remember one thing, opression of a people can only bring a new generation of hatred and prevent any asimulation into the comunity. Just remember one thing, you ( Australians of anglo saxon and scottish backgrounds) are not the majority any more, we the Australians of non english speaking background are !
Not verry nice to feel like the minority is it….
The final stupidity about this letter I must express is as follows : You say muslims dont want to be here, then why are they coming, you say that the doors are open here for all refugees by placing people in camps, they are in prison and provided they meet the requirements they can enter but not otherwise and are sent back or indefinetely detained. There is a clear pattern of stipulation of heresay and hystrerical non-factual information. If you knew any muslims you would see that many of them work, contribute and integrate just fine in society including celebrate christmas, holidays, etc. At the end of the day they are still people and deserve the same chance as all humanity. I am glad that the primeminister has not replied to this hysterical racist rant as all it would do is incite racial violence.
All racists can go fuck themselves !
Nick Pidoulas
May I just remind you all that the only true Australian is the Aborigine and everyone else is an immigrant or decedent of immigrants. There is no pride in what your forefathers did to turn this country “White”.
Jb, what the Aboriginals had wasnt a country, under any definition of the term, they had no national government, they had no written laws, no written judicial system, no written language. Unless i am wrong and they did infact have these as i can not find any source to indicate this
From “About.com”
States and Independent Countries
Let’s start with what defines a State or an independent country. An independent State:
1 Has space or territory which has internationally recognized boundaries (boundary disputes are OK).
2 Has people who live there on an ongoing basis.
3 Has economic activity and an organized economy. A country regulates foreign and domestic trade and issues money.
4 Has the power of social engineering, such as education.
5 Has a transportation system for moving goods and people.
6 Has a government which provides public services and police power
7 Has sovereignty. No other State should have power over the country’s territory.
8 Has external recognition. A country has been “voted into the club” by other countries.
Under this definition, and this one seems to be the best that i could find,
Lets go through these 1 at a time
1 answer would be YEs
2 Yes
3 No, they as far as i can find had no organized economy
4 No, they had as far as i could find no national organized social engineering, education health and the like
5 NO, they had as far as i could find no organized transportation system
6 NO, they had as far as i could find no organized government or public services
7 No they could not defend or stop other powers from controlling them(the British Invasion
8 No, At the time of the British Invasion they were not recognized by other countries
Unless I am wrong, and could not find any evidence of these.
If I am please provide references as to where I can.
Our immigration problems seem to arise from the fact that we have signed an international agreement under the UN. This defines refugees and asylum seekers and sets out how we must handle them. It is complicated and unworkable and clearly is causing great division in our community. Are we so locked into this agreement that we can’t withdraw from it – or at least to modify our position? After many years living under despotic regimes I believe they got something right – anybody who want to immigrate must apply and earn approval. If they arrive illegally or overstay they are apprehended and deported as quickly as possible to their country of origin. Too bad they come from messed up countries. It’s not “our” fault and we shouldn’t be expected to clear up their wreckage on our home ground. We have plenty of people in our country who are in need of compassionate care, and they are the ones who should be receiving our attention.
Phew! my head is still spinning from reading all this.
Firstly let me say, David Harrison is a Vietnam veteran; I know him personally because he served in the same infantry battalion, but in different years from me. he actually is, what we would say in Australia, “not a bad bloke.” However I think his views are misguided and inaccurate for a start and I disagree with them. Like most of the people who posted here, I also despise racism and bigotry in every way. Unfortunately too many people are prepared to accept unsubstantiated tripe from trouble makers very often in the media. I did not read all of David’s rant when it was sent to me because I had read similar crap from others and knew where it was headed. Many of those people sadly are also war veterans, many of them declaring that we went to war to make the country the safe place it is today. Maybe we helped, but so did many writers and messengers of truth. While I disagree with David’s views and maybe Barry Fletcher’s views, if I could understand what he is writing; sorry mate, it really is hard to decipher it, I find it diminishes the argument against them by resorting to personal insult. Calling someone a moron is not a good way to gain his attention when you want him to consider your point of view. Anyone who resorts to insult lowers himself to the level of those who posted threatening, foul mouthed insults that perhaps they plagiarised from a public toilet wall, e.g. Glenn Anderson.
Thanks for your comments. The response isn’t for David, nor is it for anyone who we deem to be a moron. It is for a wider audience – one that needs to know that people who write/forward such shit really are morons.
Chris, the unhcr also states that if you commit a crime that is recognized by a member state then you can not be classed as refugee, we know that people smugglers are criminals, and, people who support those criminals are also criminals, people that pay those criminals are also criminals themselves. However i also understand that at this time there seems to be no other way for them to get the protection they need.
Maybe the answer is for Australia to set up an Asylum seeker camp in Indonesia, so that they dont have to pay boat smugglers to get here, it could save lots of money, lives and a dangerous boat trip, and then send all boat and air arrivals to this camp for processing.
‘“The UNHCR emphasises that a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution should be viewed as a refugee and not be labelled an ‘illegal immigrant’ as the very nature of persecution means that their only means of escape may be via illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.”’
notice ‘not labelled an illegal immigrant’ even though their means of escape may be ‘ILLEGAL ENTRY’.
thus, they arent criminals even if they resort to people smugglers. they, however, are considered as refugees should their refugee status be correctly verified. and again, 70-90 pct of boat people are eventually verified as refugees, more than those who arrive by plan. as verifiable refugees, their mode of entry is thus irrelevant.
for a person seeking asylum there is no “illegal entry” however, what is illegal is what they employ to get here, using people smugglers is, maybe using the term people smugglers is wrong, as they dont seem to be trying to hide the fact that they are what they claim to be, smuggleing by the very term is trying to hide what you are doing. again i think if Australia, actually set up a processing facility in indonesia, these “boat people” may be better of, not having to travel the last ocean part of their journey nor having to pay these transporters vast amounts of money that they do. that way, anyone that is seeking asylum in Australia can front up to this facility to be evaluated and processed.
‘for a person seeking asylum there is no “illegal entry” however, what is illegal is what they employ to get here, using people smugglers is,’
you’re contradicting yourself here.
you said-
‘for a person seeking asylum there is no “illegal entry” ‘
followed by
‘however, what is illegal is what they employ to get here, using people smugglers is,’
so there is no illegal entry yet what they’re doing is illegal? what?
their mode of entry ISNT ILLEGAL if they’re verified to be GENUINE REFUGEES.
“so there is no illegal entry yet what they’re doing is illegal?”
Exectly,
let me use anouther example
going to the bank is not illegal, however if i steal a car to get to the bank then ive commited a crime getting to where i was going.
now refer to boat arrivals, coming to australia to seek asylum, is not illegal, usibng people smugglers to get them here is illegal,
“their mode of entry ISNT ILLEGAL if they’re verified to be GENUINE REFUGEES.”
True the mode of entry in not illegal, however their means of travel is.
mode of entry= means of travel.
they came in via boat, and traveled via boat from wherever it is they came from.
both things are the same, and are not illegal if they are genuine.
and anecdotal examples arent gonna cut the mustard. show us relevant documents please. facts. proof. that the boat peop,e still are being processed without being slapped with criminal charges shows that it ISNT criminal to enter via boat now, isnt it?
Now
I don’t give a shit who you think and i didn’t even have to read the whole thing to see that you’re fucked in the head. The fact that you disagree with David Harrison means 1 of 2 things, 1 your dyslexic or 2 your a terrorist living on Christmas island.
Also you don’t get to speak on behalf of us intelligent Aussies because you don’t belong in that category.
And further he is almost 100% correct on everything whereas you are almost 100% wrong on everything you say.
And as far as i’m concerned you are wrong David is right, and you don’t get to say anything else about it.
I think that we should just send 1000 people from Here, England and USA and invade 1 African country on the coast of Africa and take control then spread from there wiping out thousands of people and ending poverty, corruption and terrorists.
I know that sounds extremist but in 15 years time everyone will thank me and laugh at stupid fucks like you that think it’s ok to let suicide bombers into a country and reward them for coming. whereas all over the world they get shot, jailed, tortured, deported and enslaved for coming but we are one of the only stupid countries in the world that give ragheads more rights than TAX PAYING CITIZENS that haven’t even had a speeding ticket in 20 years just for coming here to plan there next attack.
It’s idiots like you that will happily pay for housing, food and whatever else they want and they don’t wan’t to embrace English language, culture, schooling or life in general and we give them any fucking thing that they want.
So over all you are a special kind of fuckhead that doesn’t give a shit about future generations of true Aussies that want to be able to go to the beach in thongs and shorts to cook a BBQ without getting abused for dressing wrongly.
Next time you have ago at a true blue think about the future of the best fucking country in the world you fuck stick.
Rant over. All you other Aussies that thought about putting my rant up your welcome.
Go fuck yourself.
Your sincerely Rocky
Please tell us which parts of David Harrison’s diatribe were correct, and back it up with data please.
Please refrain from posting any more of your opinion as though we haven’t heard cock slappers like yourself on here before.
“Also you don’t get to speak on behalf of us intelligent Aussies because you don’t belong in that category.”
If you are an intelligent Aussie?? I’m happy not to belong to that category. Just saying
“It’s idiots like you that will happily pay for housing, food and whatever else they want and they don’t wan’t to embrace English language, culture, schooling or life in general and we give them any fucking thing that they want.”
I also want to know how do I “embrace” English language???? Can you give us a demonstration??
Cheers
chris, method of travel is not the same as entry, I have stated before there it is not illegal to seek asylum in australia, and can not be charged with any crime by doing so, however means of travel can be illegal.
Perhaps Australia could set up a boat to take people from indonesia to australia, like the people smugglers do and get the money from them instead of the criminal gangs and use it to off set the cost of detention centres.
yes it is. they traveled here via boat. therefore, they ENTERED here via boat. therefore, it is not illegal. read the pdf.
“The UNHCR emphasises that a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution should be viewed as a refugee and not be labelled an ‘illegal immigrant’ as the very nature of persecution means that their only means of escape may be via illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.”
see? loud and clear.
“that their only means of escape may be via illegal entry and/or the use of false documentation.”
obviously i havnt been clear enough to you i shall state it again in nice print for you.
There is no illegal entry, as i have already stated many times, so i agree with you there, i never stated that entry is illegal.
method of travel however using smugglers is a crime, otherwise why do people smugglers get charged with the offence people smuggling?
under australian law, there is a crime called accessory before the fact (helping someone knowingly commit a crime before the crime is done) and accessory after the fact (heling someone who has commited the crime/s to avoid persecution.
so, by using a people smuggler they are infact commiting a crime called accessory before the fact, by knowingly helping someone commit a crime. by using said people smugglers.
ive also said that perhaps australia should set up a centre in indonesia to help prevent people seeking out the smugglers.
or perhaps even the australian government setting up a “people smuggling opperation ” so that the australian government can get the cash that these people are willing to pay to get here, better going into the goverment coffers than some crims pockets.
Wouldn’t the illegal act of entering a boat in another country be against the law in that country? It’s like selling drugs on the streets of New York and then coming to Australia and being charged for it.
People who are oppressed and who are fearing for their lives without any form of governmental protection aren’t going to have much respect for boat trade laws are they?
You say using smugglers is a crime – but that crime was not committed in Australia – so how is asylum seeking in Australia unlawful again?
the same reason why the crew of these boats are being charged with people smuggling or people trafficking.
if they can be charged with that then the people that commision them can also be charged as far as im aware,.
“method of travel however using smugglers is a crime, otherwise why do people smugglers get charged with the offence people smuggling?”
they get CHARGED because people smuggling is an OFFENCE. however, USING people smugglers as a mode of ENTRY isnt, if they have legitimate reasons for doing so. we’ve been arguing this exact point for months already. if it were a crime, how come the government, with its battery of lawyers, never charged genuine refugees for using people smugglers? or are you presuming that you know better than the attorney general?
“under australian law, there is a crime called accessory before the fact (helping someone knowingly commit a crime before the crime is done) and accessory after the fact (heling someone who has commited the crime/s to avoid persecution.”
not applicable in his context, the refugees never helped the smugglers to escape persecution. also, they never HELPED the smugglers commit the crime by, say, helping prepare the boat or being crewmembers, or being party to the scheme.
“or perhaps even the australian government setting up a “people smuggling opperation ” so that the australian government can get the cash that these people are willing to pay to get here, better going into the goverment coffers than some crims pockets.”
but you just said smuggling was a crime. so why would you want the government to be a party in this? and if the government takes part in bringing refugees over, there is no way it can charge the exorbitant sums the smugglers do, because it would be ethically and morally wrong.
why would it ethically wrong, all they are doing is providing a means of transport,
and on the way they can do health and some of the security checks that are needed prior to arrival.
ive also said that perhaps the authorities are getting it wrong, in the first place, and one way to stop the “boat” people from arriving is setting up a refugee camp in indonesia that way they wouldnt have to do the dangerous boat travel.
also, if they have crossed multiple countries and do not come directly their then the UNHCR status doesnt apply, but that is a different issue though
Robot eyes?